Post by: bobcat on January 29, 2013, 12:07:54 PM
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020208531_barkbeetlexml.html (http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020208531_barkbeetlexml.html)
Post by: Bob33 on January 29, 2013, 12:39:37 PM
Post by: X-Force on January 29, 2013, 01:13:03 PM
If the drought is causing the beetle population to thrive wouldnt it also stem the increased threat of fire from the drought?
It does make sense that the fire load would decrease once the trees are void of needles.
The other thing this article didnt address is that once the trees die their roots no longer hold the soils in place... So more erosion could occur and may be more damaging then putting in roads thinning the trees and replanting...
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on January 29, 2013, 01:23:58 PM
Post by: logger on January 29, 2013, 03:39:46 PM
Post by: Humptulips on February 01, 2013, 11:14:28 PM
No one wants to make a decision so they study it to death.
Post by: dreamingbig on April 13, 2013, 09:26:38 AM
Post by: motg9_6 on April 13, 2013, 09:43:15 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 13, 2013, 01:23:04 PM
Post by: Wazukie on April 13, 2013, 01:28:06 PM
Post by: Curly on April 13, 2013, 01:53:34 PM
Post by: MadHatter on April 14, 2013, 06:06:02 PM
Post by: JLS on April 15, 2013, 10:41:19 AM
The moral of the story in this article is to push the climate change agenda... Four times in the story mention it, as if pounding saying the same thing over and over makes it more true... :bash:
If you don't believe climate change is real you should. One doesn't have to be an Al Gore groupie to see the effects of climate change in subalpine and montane environments across the Rocky Mountains and Pacific NW.
Post by: motg9_6 on April 16, 2013, 05:27:39 AM
just my :twocents:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 16, 2013, 05:34:29 AM
Post by: MadHatter on April 21, 2013, 05:31:47 PM
The moral of the story in this article is to push the climate change agenda... Four times in the story mention it, as if pounding saying the same thing over and over makes it more true... :bash:
If you don't believe climate change is real you should. One doesn't have to be an Al Gore groupie to see the effects of climate change in subalpine and montane environments across the Rocky Mountains and Pacific NW.
Climates do change... But as far as a political agenda, there is no such phenomenon... The earth will regulate and change its climate as it has done for eons, the fact that we are so pompous to think we are the ones solely causing it is nieve at best.
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Post by: Boss .300 winmag on April 21, 2013, 05:46:12 PM
The moral of the story in this article is to push the climate change agenda... Four times in the story mention it, as if pounding saying the same thing over and over makes it more true... :bash:
If you don't believe climate change is real you should. One doesn't have to be an Al Gore groupie to see the effects of climate change in subalpine and montane environments across the Rocky Mountains and Pacific NW.
JLS what proof/ data do you have?
Hopefully it's not all from AL GORES internets! :yike:
Post by: bobcat on April 21, 2013, 06:29:47 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on April 21, 2013, 06:48:35 PM
Post by: MadHatter on April 21, 2013, 07:26:49 PM
The increase in the numbers of Bark Beetles is another benefit of the "Only You Can Prevent Forest Fires" BS. Periodic Forest Fires kept the Beetles in check, burned along the ground, and promoted new healthy growth. The Indians knew that a hundred years ago, but the white man, in his infinite wisdom, knew better.
I think this is one of our biggest threats anymore... No longer do fires burn out the forest. The forest ecosystem is evolved to rely on fire, and we just put them out now and don't let them clean out the forest. Its frustrating to see 1000 acres in the middle of NOWHERE catch and watch the government spend millions to put it out... My grandfather used to talk of how open the woods used to be, and how you could see 100+ yards even amongst the trees... Now, without a machete you cannot get 10' in most forests because of the undergrowth. As much as it causes me great pain to say it, CA is starting to get it right... They let more fires burn now, and are even telling people that live in high fire danger areas to make defensible space, its not CALFIRE's job to protect you home if you choose to live in the middle of nowhere. I have personally seen defensible space work... Guy had about 50-100yds around his house cleared of debris and shrubs... His house survived a pretty bad fire. You could literally see where the fire parted and went around his house, burning the available fuels.
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on April 21, 2013, 07:34:00 PM
Post by: Northway on April 24, 2013, 05:50:40 PM
The moral of the story in this article is to push the climate change agenda... Four times in the story mention it, as if pounding saying the same thing over and over makes it more true... :bash:
If you don't believe climate change is real you should. One doesn't have to be an Al Gore groupie to see the effects of climate change in subalpine and montane environments across the Rocky Mountains and Pacific NW.
I do believe that "climate change" is real, but it seems like a pointless argument. In my opinion we are pot-committed and there's no going back. Without drastic technological advances, pollution will continue to increase globally regardless of what americans do locally to combat it.