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Other Hunting => Waterfowl => Topic started by: admk3438 on February 03, 2013, 10:14:40 AM
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I was wondering what dog food people are using for their dogs in the off season. I recently found out the dog food i used isn't made anymore. There are a lot of options and just trying to get some info on what is being used.
Thanks
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We got everyone here on the costco kirkland "Chicken and rice", when looking at the ingrediants label and comparing it to pro plan performance and eukanuba premium performance it is superior in ingrediant and the dogs look killer on it and the consumption rate is down a cup and they are still gaining weight. Best value in price and performance IMO.
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Not an expert and haven't tried alot of different ones but Blue Buffalo Wilderness seems to be working well for my dog. He has gotten to a nice weight and his coat has gotten nice since he has been on it. He doesn't seem to go through as much of it as the cheaper stuff. Probably has something to do with the high protein content.
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Breeders Choice active care here. My dogs have always had good coats, and arthritus free through their old age. Got a 13 year old that still got in some bird hunts this year. It seems to work well for my labs.
http://www.goactivedog.com/index.htm (http://www.goactivedog.com/index.htm)
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http://www.goactivedog.com/index.htm (http://www.goactivedog.com/index.htm)
Do most stores carry that brand?
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http://www.goactivedog.com/index.htm (http://www.goactivedog.com/index.htm)
Do most stores carry that brand?
Usually at pet supply stores. Near me I can get it at either Bridges pets or Pet Pro's.
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http://www.goactivedog.com/index.htm (http://www.goactivedog.com/index.htm)
Do most stores carry that brand?
Usually at pet supply stores. Near me I can get it at either Bridges pets or Pet Pro's.
So what's it run $ for a 35-40 pound sack?
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http://www.goactivedog.com/index.htm (http://www.goactivedog.com/index.htm)
Do most stores carry that brand?
Usually at pet supply stores. Near me I can get it at either Bridges pets or Pet Pro's.
So what's it run $ for a 35-40 pound sack?
I believe I'm paying a little over $40 for it.
I don't have to feed as much of it as you would with other brands. My old dog gets a cup of it a day and my younger lab gets 3.
Breeders Choice has another product line also if a person would like to look into it. This line came along after the original. I've stayed with the active care which is the original.
http://avodermnatural.com/ (http://avodermnatural.com/)
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Purina One. Kola's vet likes that kind, and Kola LOVES that kind so..... :dunno: :chuckle: And it is not nearly as much as the other high quality stuff :tup:
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natures domain at costco. its the same thing as taste of the wild made by diamond. I was doing pro plan, but the price is hiking and it wasn't that great a dog food to begin with.
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We feed Pro Plan all year, adjust quantity for cal needs.
I like Pro Plan because I can always find it and it's a high quality feed.
Learn to read the ingredients label, it tells you what is in a feed.
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Loyal brand from Big R... cheap and good stuff. I run my hounds pretty hard and they look good on it.
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I thought for sure this would be about your favorite chinese restaurant. Oops :chuckle:
Call me a bad pet owner but my animals get whatever is on sale and cheap.
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We got everyone here on the costco kirkland "Chicken and rice", when looking at the ingrediants label and comparing it to pro plan performance and eukanuba premium performance it is superior in ingrediant and the dogs look killer on it and the consumption rate is down a cup and they are still gaining weight. Best value in price and performance IMO.
:yeah:
That is what my vet feeds his dogs, so it's what I go with as well. Also recommend supplementing with fish oil and glucosamine
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We are feeding patch my 10 month black lab eukanuba, seems to be the only thing that was coming out solid and he loves to eat.
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Pro-plan Lamb and Rice-Chocolate lab
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We got everyone here on the costco kirkland "Chicken and rice", when looking at the ingrediants label and comparing it to pro plan performance and eukanuba premium performance it is superior in ingrediant and the dogs look killer on it and the consumption rate is down a cup and they are still gaining weight. Best value in price and performance IMO.
I looked at the Kirkland stuff many years ago and it was total garbage and never looked at it again. May have to have another look if they have gone to a better supplier.
Thing I worry about with Costco is who is suppling the stuff in their packaging, I've noted in some of their other products that it changes from time to time while the packaging remains the same.
I don't think they would falsify an ingerdient label, I'd keep an eye on it for changes.
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Since you asked,I called the 1800 number on the bag, the manufacturer is diamond,the formula is fixed,the formula is owned by costco and is made for them and them only and the ingrediants are superior to pro plan performance and eukanuba. I compared the ingrediants of all three. The proof is in the outward appearance of the one dog we put on it,I have 8, the other 7 are on it now as well.It costs 75 cents per pound whereas PPP and Euk are 50 cents per pound more. The digestive health ingrediants are excellent in beet pulp,seaweed,carrots,peas.We were feeding the test dog 4 cups of PPP per day and he looked like crap,skinny and a dull coat,he is currently gaining weight on 2 1/2 cups per day,he has gained 10 pounds in 2 months on this feed and the 40 pound sack lasted 2 months for that dog.His coat is smooth and very shiny.Worth giving it a look considering the monetary savings and the performance it provides.
We got everyone here on the costco kirkland "Chicken and rice", when looking at the ingrediants label and comparing it to pro plan performance and eukanuba premium performance it is superior in ingrediant and the dogs look killer on it and the consumption rate is down a cup and they are still gaining weight. Best value in price and performance IMO.
I looked at the Kirkland stuff many years ago and it was total garbage and never looked at it again. May have to have another look if they have gone to a better supplier.
Thing I worry about with Costco is who is suppling the stuff in their packaging, I've noted in some of their other products that it changes from time to time while the packaging remains the same.
I don't think they would falsify an ingerdient label, I'd keep an eye on it for changes.
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Natures Domain from Costco! Its far from garbage. Great food, no bs fillers and the dogs love it!
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We used to feed her Nutro but switched over toDiamond barand.
You really want to avoid any with GroundYellow Corn.And corn gluten.
Less filler means less piles in the yard
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Diamond sport dog from cenex 50lb bag $33.00 and change , our labs look awesome on this stuff.
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Natural Balance - Venison and Sweet potato
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Nutra nuggets lamb and rice
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Thanks for the info wildweeds, :tup:
Gonna have a look next time I'm in Costco.
I'm kinda set in my ways but not enough to pass saving some $$ on a good product.
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loyal - bigR
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Nutra nuggets lamb and rice is also sold at costco , as well as fred meyer I get mine from freddys as its cheaper than costco , when on sale its 24.99 & regular price is 27.99
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I kind of like Kibbles and Bits because it doesn't get stuck in my teeth!!
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Natures Domain from Costco! Its far from garbage. Great food, no bs fillers and the dogs love it!
:yeah: The dogs never looked better wish we would have started on this sooner.
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Been using Canidae dry food since both my dogs were pups.
http://www.canidae.com/company/customertest/canidae1.html (http://www.canidae.com/company/customertest/canidae1.html)
One dog is an English Setter and the other is an older Australian Shepherd. Although both dogs are getting older now and slowing down, they worked hard in the field and I still hunt with the setter. The shep is retired. He was a great trail dog and would go with my wife on trail rides when she would cover 20 or more miles a day on a horse. My setter would run hard every days chasing grouse day after day.
Neither dog had any skin or nutrition problems. Works for us.
Canidae can be a bit hard to find but our local feed store in Sumner carries it so it's not a problem.
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Natures Domain from Costco! Its far from garbage. Great food, no bs fillers and the dogs love it!
:yeah: The dogs never looked better wish we would have started on this sooner.
I will put in a fourth for Natures Domain from Costco. I used to feed Taste of the Wild (until it got to expensive due to more than one dog) and Vetrinarian Formulated (VF). Now that Costco has Natures Domain (TOW Kirkland version) I have the dogs back on it. They look great, but they have been since I went away from the cheap food with grain in it.
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Some of the Kirkland brand stuff made by Diamond was recalled last year during the big Diamond salmonella recall.
I've fed the Kirkland stuff and PPP to my dogs and to be honest, I feel I get better results out of Pro Plan Performance. The dogs have more energy, their coat is the same, maintaining their weight is easier, and their poo isn't the soft mess that the Kirkland stuff created. They also have A LOT less gas.
Diamond has a long history of recalls so I've kind of tried to stay away from their products of late.
Bottom line, I've seen dogs that lived 7 years on top of the line dog food and dogs that lived 16 years on generic grocery store food.
Buy what fits your budget and what works best for your dog.
My :twocents:
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I agree with you Aspen. Some of the Kirkland brand is junk unfortunately. But Costco has to cater to all walks of life. Natures Domain was safe from the recall though. And yes, some dogs outlive others and I believe food has alot to do with it but its not the sole factor. The one disagreement I have with you is the budget thing. We as hunters ask alot of our hunting dogs. They are better athletes than most of us. We tend to train them better than we do ourselves. To me, I rather spend alot of money on their food. I could buy a less expensive food and I should because it cost alot to feed 2 Labs and another on the way. But I will get one less coffee or one less cheeseburger so they can have the optimal food. Fortunately it doeant come to that but I would cut down on foolish spending to feed them the best if I had to.
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Natures Domain from costco! Good food, reasonable price. My golden missed a lot of this year from allergic reactions that had him chewing his feet raw. Switched to Natures domain and doing great.
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Another vote for Nature's Domain. My Labrador has done well on it..
...it cost alot to feed 2 Labs and another on the way.
I have one with another on the way. I feel like I'm gonna have my hands full, but three, wow..
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I agree with you Aspen. Some of the Kirkland brand is junk unfortunately. But Costco has to cater to all walks of life. Natures Domain was safe from the recall though. And yes, some dogs outlive others and I believe food has alot to do with it but its not the sole factor. The one disagreement I have with you is the budget thing. We as hunters ask alot of our hunting dogs. They are better athletes than most of us. We tend to train them better than we do ourselves. To me, I rather spend alot of money on their food. I could buy a less expensive food and I should because it cost alot to feed 2 Labs and another on the way. But I will get one less coffee or one less cheeseburger so they can have the optimal food. Fortunately it doeant come to that but I would cut down on foolish spending to feed them the best if I had to.
I've got no problem with anyone feeding Nature's Domain. Just stating that I get better results with PPP and probably won't ever take my dogs off it.
(Nature's Domain was voluntarily recalled last year by the way as Diamond makes that too)
But if a guy is on a tight budget, I'm sorry plain old Dog Chow isn't going to kill your dog as long as it can maintain its weight on it. I know a guy who runs Pointers on the stuff and as they approach 10 years of age they still are able to work.
If money isn't a concern I would suggest Native Dog Food or having bags of Dr. Tim's shipped to your door.
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as far as natures domain goes, nutritionally its a step or two up from purina. look at the first four ingredients on the bags and decide for yourself.
Diamond (who makes natures domain and taste of the wild ) had a good number of recalls but most weren't for food that was contaminated, it was for food that "could be" contaminated, and they were all voluntary- thats a good thing called quality control. purina has had many, many more recalls than diamond has ever dreamed over the course of their years I would wager 100 -1. that being said purina has been around much longer pumps out more food than diamond so it stands to reason they will have more issues, but people turn a blind eye because they are a household name, and birddog people think that just because they endorse X amount of field trials purina must be the best.
most if not all diamond recalls occurred on the east coast from their east coast factory.
next time people start shouting recall, find out why and what for it. might be trivial.
I fed PPP for a long time, sure it make their craps smaller and firmer -almost inexplicably so- but that was about the only benefit I saw. as the price of PPP went I just couldn't justify paying a premium price for a so-so dog food.
I switched to Natures domain - which is identical to the premium dog food Taste of the Wild, just in a different bag- and all of my dog benefitted by the fourth bag.
they maintained a good weight - with PPP one would lose weight while the other would gain it.
the had firm stools - not the microscopic stools that PPP produced, which I found disturbing at times... where does it all go?
Stamina in the field stayed the same
they could handle the heat better - might be a coincidence
all their coats started to shine - PPP gave one of my labs hot spots
its more than affordable @ $33 a bag vs $49 for PPP (its not always on sale)
I am a happy natures domain user, Im sure there are better dog foods out there but not at the same price point.
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Stilly, I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but when was the last time Purina had a recall on Pro Plan/Pro Plan Performance? I'm asking because I can't remember the last time and I would be interested to know.
(I get it for $41.99 regular price)
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Not sure what everyone else said, But if your looking for high protein. For high energy dogs Personally.. I think "Fromm" Four Star Chicken A La Veg Dry Dog Food. Is some of the best on the market available. Period.
Ingredients are as listed in order, straight from the bag.
""Chicken, Chicken Meal, Pearled Barley, Oatmeal, Sweet Potato, Brown Rice, White Rice, Whole Dried Egg, Menhaden Fish Meal, Millet, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), Dried Tomato Pomace, Safflower Oil, Herring Meal, Cheese, Flaxseed, Carrots, Broccoli, Cauliflower, Apples, Green Beans, Lecithin, Chicken Cartilage, Potassium Chloride, Cranberries, Blueberries, Salt, Monocalcium Phosphate, Chicory Root Extract, Alfalfa Sprouts, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Folic Acid, Parsley, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Bifidobacterium Longum, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcous Faecium, Vitamin A, D3, E, B12 Supplements, Choline Bitartrate, Niacin, Pantothenic Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Riboflavin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Biotin, Zinc Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganous Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Calcium Iodate, Sorbic Acid, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Sodium Selenite. ""
http://www.heartypet.com/p-1479-fromm-four-star-chicken-a-la-veg-dry-dog-food.aspx?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse&utm_term=072705116102&gclid=CIqrnrGvw7UCFY97QgodUFEArQ (http://www.heartypet.com/p-1479-fromm-four-star-chicken-a-la-veg-dry-dog-food.aspx?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cse&utm_term=072705116102&gclid=CIqrnrGvw7UCFY97QgodUFEArQ)
Is a website that sells it. Also Farm Boys in Spanaway Sells they're entire line of varieties.
Hope this helps.
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Ok I just skimmed through everyones posts. To each theyre own. But this is how I look at it. Anything you buy at large chain stores is like feeding your animals burger king. Sure it works, but Its not whats best for your animals.
Stilly, I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but when was the last time Purina had a recall on Pro Plan/Pro Plan Performance? I'm asking because I can't remember the last time and I would be interested to know.
(I get it for $41.99 regular price)
Theres nothing about any Purina products that I like. I personally think they are garbage.
If theyre advertised on tv = garbage.
If you really care about your animals "Not targeting you personally",
Look for specialty foods.
I highly highly recommend "Fromm" brand. They have different variations for meat and or veggy dominant. Depending on your breed of dog, or cat.
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Natures Domain from costco! Good food, reasonable price. My golden missed a lot of this year from allergic reactions that had him chewing his feet raw. Switched to Natures domain and doing great.
Not saying this was the problem at all, But It could be an issue with some peoples animals.
It seems not very many people are aware of flea hypersensitivity.
Just a few flea bites will cause the same effect (that you explained), in which your average pet can take a whole infestation and barely go noticed. Diet does play a role in helping but does not solve the problem. Cheers to everyone and caring to actually look into better feeding/tending theyre animals. Remember your animals are a part of the family, You wouldnt want to be fed garbage, Neither do they, They just cant tell you otherwise.
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It seems not very many people are aware of flea hypersensitivity.
:yeah: good point.
on a side note about food related problems and allergies...
a lot of people play doctor and guess that the food is their dogs problem and switch it without any further examination. then the new food doesn't solve all their problems or may even create more so they switch again and again... when in reality IF your dog's food is to blame it can take up to three months for that food and its side affects to completely get out of your dogs system... and by that time you have already played russian roulette with a couple other brands trying to solve what ever issues you think your dog may have... save some time money and frustration by going to the vet.
Stilly, I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but when was the last time Purina had a recall on Pro Plan/Pro Plan Performance? I'm asking because I can't remember the last time and I would be interested to know.
(I get it for $41.99 regular price)
I can only find it local at that price on sale or with a coupon.
they haven't had a recall on ppp in the last year but they have had recalls and more than Diamond. i think 2007 was purina last big lawsuit where they had a class action lawsuit filed against them for killing a few pets.
here is a list of diamonds recalls for 2012 and 13 so far
diamond
april 30th 2012
april 25th 2102
april 6th 2012
purina:
the most recent recall was january 9th.
july 26th, 2012
july 20th 2012
july 13th 2012
may 11th 2012
all of diamonds recalls were limited and voluntary. meaning they suspected they had a bad batch so they pulled it from the shelves.
from what I could see none of purina's for this time frame were voluntary meaning someone else (FDA) had to call them on their mistake.
anyway this shows that not all recalls can be bad and purina isn't any worse in the recall department than diamond.
http://www.fda.gov/animalveterinary/safetyhealth/recallswithdrawals/default.htm (http://www.fda.gov/animalveterinary/safetyhealth/recallswithdrawals/default.htm)
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:yeah: good point.
when in reality IF your dog's food is to blame it can take up to three months for that food and its side affects to completely get out of your dogs system... and by that time you have already played russian roulette with a couple other brands trying to solve what ever issues you think your dog may have... save some time money and frustration by going to the vet.
Ohh good point there to! I forgot to mention that part, its a huge factor when transitioning from food to food. Needs to be done slowly over a few week period mixed with its current/new food together, untill hes used to the new food and the transition is complete. Otherwise they could get really sick, have diarrhea, vomit, etc etc.
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Theres nothing about any Purina products that I like. I personally think they are garbage.
If theyre advertised on tv = garbage.
If you really care about your animals "Not targeting you personally",
Look for specialty foods.
I highly highly recommend "Fromm" brand. They have different variations for meat and or veggy dominant. Depending on your breed of dog, or cat.
What are you basing that on? Ingredients or results?
Again, I've had good results with it. I even know of a field trailer or two who run their dogs for more miles hooked up to a quad and in the field than most average dog owners will and they also feed PPP to their crews.
I also know of a number of people who feed anything but PPP to their dogs and also get good results. To that I say great, whatever works.
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Stilly, I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but when was the last time Purina had a recall on Pro Plan/Pro Plan Performance? I'm asking because I can't remember the last time and I would be interested to know.
(I get it for $41.99 regular price)
I can only find it local at that price on sale or with a coupon.
they haven't had a recall on ppp in the last year but they have had recalls and more than Diamond. i think 2007 was purina last big lawsuit where they had a class action lawsuit filed against them for killing a few pets.
here is a list of diamonds recalls for 2012 and 13 so far
diamond
april 30th 2012
april 25th 2102
april 6th 2012
purina:
the most recent recall was january 9th.
july 26th, 2012
july 20th 2012
july 13th 2012
may 11th 2012
all of diamonds recalls were limited and voluntary. meaning they suspected they had a bad batch so they pulled it from the shelves.
from what I could see none of purina's for this time frame were voluntary meaning someone else (FDA) had to call them on their mistake.
anyway this shows that not all recalls can be bad and purina isn't any worse in the recall department than diamond.
http://www.fda.gov/animalveterinary/safetyhealth/recallswithdrawals/default.htm (http://www.fda.gov/animalveterinary/safetyhealth/recallswithdrawals/default.htm)
Not sure what the recall last month was about but based on that link you posted, none of the recalls had anything to do with their dog food let alone Pro Plan or Pro Plan Performance from what I could see.
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Stilly, I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but when was the last time Purina had a recall on Pro Plan/Pro Plan Performance? I'm asking because I can't remember the last time and I would be interested to know.
(I get it for $41.99 regular price)
I can only find it local at that price on sale or with a coupon.
they haven't had a recall on ppp in the last year but they have had recalls and more than Diamond. i think 2007 was purina last big lawsuit where they had a class action lawsuit filed against them for killing a few pets.
here is a list of diamonds recalls for 2012 and 13 so far
diamond
april 30th 2012
april 25th 2102
april 6th 2012
purina:
the most recent recall was january 9th.
july 26th, 2012
july 20th 2012
july 13th 2012
may 11th 2012
all of diamonds recalls were limited and voluntary. meaning they suspected they had a bad batch so they pulled it from the shelves.
from what I could see none of purina's for this time frame were voluntary meaning someone else (FDA) had to call them on their mistake.
anyway this shows that not all recalls can be bad and purina isn't any worse in the recall department than diamond.
http://www.fda.gov/animalveterinary/safetyhealth/recallswithdrawals/default.htm (http://www.fda.gov/animalveterinary/safetyhealth/recallswithdrawals/default.htm)
Not sure what the recall last month was about but based on that link you posted, none of the recalls had anything to do with their dog food let alone Pro Plan or Pro Plan Performance from what I could see.
like I said there was no mention of Pro plan.
it seems like every time diamond is mentioned everyone screams "but they had recalls" as if it were a knee jerk reaction. I am just pointing out that Purina is not with out fault either. while purina's recalls were not all dangerous or even dog food related, neither were all of diamonds. and diamond has more voluntary recalls and is very proactive about QC, which means more to me as a consumer than a company that doesn't do anything until someone else points it out.
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Theres nothing about any Purina products that I like. I personally think they are garbage.
If theyre advertised on tv = garbage.
If you really care about your animals "Not targeting you personally",
Look for specialty foods.
I highly highly recommend "Fromm" brand. They have different variations for meat and or veggy dominant. Depending on your breed of dog, or cat.
What are you basing that on? Ingredients or results?
Again, I've had good results with it. I even know of a field trailer or two who run their dogs for more miles hooked up to a quad and in the field than most average dog owners will and they also feed PPP to their crews.
I also know of a number of people who feed anything but PPP to their dogs and also get good results. To that I say great, whatever works.
Both, not all dogs are going to get good results. If a dogs in great health he can eat virtually anything. His health will deteriorate over time, whether you notice it or not.
Just like man, even though he looks in shape, doesnt mean he is.
And alot of people feed theyre dogs that stuff, because they just dont know of anything better. They think "Its the best, or It works just fine." But are usually open to atleast try new products that are possibly better for them. Im just trying to share what I do know. My girl and her family grew up training show dogs. We have an amazing shebu inu that I love to death. I couldnt imagine feeding him anything but the best. No stabs at what anyone feeds theyre animals. Just trying to share :)
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and Ive also yet to find better Ingredients then Fromm brand. :IBCOOL:
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Our baby can only eat Dick Van Pattens Natural Balance Limited Ingredient Diet Potato and Duck Dried Dog Food.
The two of them tell me what to get, and I buy it :dunno:
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Our baby can only eat Dick Van Pattens Natural Balance Limited Ingredient Diet Potato and Duck Dried Dog Food.
The two of them tell me what to get, and I buy it :dunno:
Hey just a friendly idea.
Fromm also carries a whitefish and potato which has alittle less ingredients in it for more sensitive dogs, Ive never tried it personally but if your having a hard time finding food that fits them maybe give it a try?
http://www.petbest.com/products/Fromm-Four-Star-Whitefish-and-Potato-Dry-Dog-Food/Fromm-FSWaP?utm_source=shopping_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Fromm-FSWaP (http://www.petbest.com/products/Fromm-Four-Star-Whitefish-and-Potato-Dry-Dog-Food/Fromm-FSWaP?utm_source=shopping_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Fromm-FSWaP)
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Theres nothing about any Purina products that I like. I personally think they are garbage.
If theyre advertised on tv = garbage.
If you really care about your animals "Not targeting you personally",
Look for specialty foods.
I highly highly recommend "Fromm" brand. They have different variations for meat and or veggy dominant. Depending on your breed of dog, or cat.
What are you basing that on? Ingredients or results?
Again, I've had good results with it. I even know of a field trailer or two who run their dogs for more miles hooked up to a quad and in the field than most average dog owners will and they also feed PPP to their crews.
I also know of a number of people who feed anything but PPP to their dogs and also get good results. To that I say great, whatever works.
Both, not all dogs are going to get good results. If a dogs in great health he can eat virtually anything. His health will deteriorate over time, whether you notice it or not.
Just like man, even though he looks in shape, doesnt mean he is.
And alot of people feed theyre dogs that stuff, because they just dont know of anything better. They think "Its the best, or It works just fine." But are usually open to atleast try new products that are possibly better for them. Im just trying to share what I do know. My girl and her family grew up training show dogs. We have an amazing shebu inu that I love to death. I couldnt imagine feeding him anything but the best. No stabs at what anyone feeds theyre animals. Just trying to share :)
Is anyone outside of the show dog world using Fromm dog food?
The nutritional requirements of a working dog are rather different...
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feeding hi-standard now. dogs seem to love it and it has really balanced them out
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Theres nothing about any Purina products that I like. I personally think they are garbage.
If theyre advertised on tv = garbage.
If you really care about your animals "Not targeting you personally",
Look for specialty foods.
I highly highly recommend "Fromm" brand. They have different variations for meat and or veggy dominant. Depending on your breed of dog, or cat.
What are you basing that on? Ingredients or results?
Again, I've had good results with it. I even know of a field trailer or two who run their dogs for more miles hooked up to a quad and in the field than most average dog owners will and they also feed PPP to their crews.
I also know of a number of people who feed anything but PPP to their dogs and also get good results. To that I say great, whatever works.
Both, not all dogs are going to get good results. If a dogs in great health he can eat virtually anything. His health will deteriorate over time, whether you notice it or not.
Just like man, even though he looks in shape, doesnt mean he is.
And alot of people feed theyre dogs that stuff, because they just dont know of anything better. They think "Its the best, or It works just fine." But are usually open to atleast try new products that are possibly better for them. Im just trying to share what I do know. My girl and her family grew up training show dogs. We have an amazing shebu inu that I love to death. I couldnt imagine feeding him anything but the best. No stabs at what anyone feeds theyre animals. Just trying to share :)
Is anyone outside of the show dog world using Fromm dog food?
The nutritional requirements of a working dog are rather different...
fromm is good stuff, I would use it if it weren't so expensive ( four big dogs) Smossy sounds like a sales rep, maybe he can hook us up. :chuckle:
as for the nutritional requirements of working and show dogs...I don't see too many flabby sporting group contestants in the show ring. Show dogs get worked to build up their muscle tone for the judges. they might not have hunt from dawn til dusk but they are no couch potatoes either.
I don't think there is one perfect dog food out there, every dog is going to react differently to any given formula. I have four dogs and at one time I was feeding Three different brands and formulas in accordance to what I thought they needed. I am down to one now ( natures domain or TOTW) and everyone's improving. my last hold out was my youngest setter who was on ppp for most of his life. he wouldn't gain weight ( looked too thin even for a shag) and his coat looked like chit ( in the right light you could see his pink skin) after a month and a half of natures domain he gained a couple healthy pounds and his coat fluffed up like crazy. Im not saying natures domain did this, I think any dog food a with a nutritional value better than PPP would have achieved this result.
PPP's second ingredient is corn gluten meal, which is something most higher quality brands are staying away from, I think I am going to follow their lead.
if I had the time, energy, and money I would feed the BARF or Raw diet again, my dogs had never looked better or had more energy.
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Natures Domain from costco! Good food, reasonable price. My golden missed a lot of this year from allergic reactions that had him chewing his feet raw. Switched to Natures domain and doing great.
Not saying this was the problem at all, But It could be an issue with some peoples animals.
It seems not very many people are aware of flea hypersensitivity.
Just a few flea bites will cause the same effect (that you explained), in which your average pet can take a whole infestation and barely go noticed. Diet does play a role in helping but does not solve the problem. Cheers to everyone and caring to actually look into better feeding/tending theyre animals. Remember your animals are a part of the family, You wouldnt want to be fed garbage, Neither do they, They just cant tell you otherwise.
Well, interesting you say that, because they had fleas at the same time and he had never reacted to food before. How can I find out what was causing it for sure? Fleas are under control now.
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Theres nothing about any Purina products that I like. I personally think they are garbage.
If theyre advertised on tv = garbage.
If you really care about your animals "Not targeting you personally",
Look for specialty foods.
I highly highly recommend "Fromm" brand. They have different variations for meat and or veggy dominant. Depending on your breed of dog, or cat.
What are you basing that on? Ingredients or results?
Again, I've had good results with it. I even know of a field trailer or two who run their dogs for more miles hooked up to a quad and in the field than most average dog owners will and they also feed PPP to their crews.
I also know of a number of people who feed anything but PPP to their dogs and also get good results. To that I say great, whatever works.
Both, not all dogs are going to get good results. If a dogs in great health he can eat virtually anything. His health will deteriorate over time, whether you notice it or not.
Just like man, even though he looks in shape, doesnt mean he is.
And alot of people feed theyre dogs that stuff, because they just dont know of anything better. They think "Its the best, or It works just fine." But are usually open to atleast try new products that are possibly better for them. Im just trying to share what I do know. My girl and her family grew up training show dogs. We have an amazing shebu inu that I love to death. I couldnt imagine feeding him anything but the best. No stabs at what anyone feeds theyre animals. Just trying to share :)
Is anyone outside of the show dog world using Fromm dog food?
The nutritional requirements of a working dog are rather different...
Nono, not what I meant sorry. Should have clarified, My lady just has lots of experience with dog foods and needs. Im not saying Its guaranteed to be better, I just think Its a brand I live by and worth a try if anyone is ever having any issues with theyre current foods.
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Theres nothing about any Purina products that I like. I personally think they are garbage.
If theyre advertised on tv = garbage.
If you really care about your animals "Not targeting you personally",
Look for specialty foods.
I highly highly recommend "Fromm" brand. They have different variations for meat and or veggy dominant. Depending on your breed of dog, or cat.
What are you basing that on? Ingredients or results?
Again, I've had good results with it. I even know of a field trailer or two who run their dogs for more miles hooked up to a quad and in the field than most average dog owners will and they also feed PPP to their crews.
I also know of a number of people who feed anything but PPP to their dogs and also get good results. To that I say great, whatever works.
Both, not all dogs are going to get good results. If a dogs in great health he can eat virtually anything. His health will deteriorate over time, whether you notice it or not.
Just like man, even though he looks in shape, doesnt mean he is.
And alot of people feed theyre dogs that stuff, because they just dont know of anything better. They think "Its the best, or It works just fine." But are usually open to atleast try new products that are possibly better for them. Im just trying to share what I do know. My girl and her family grew up training show dogs. We have an amazing shebu inu that I love to death. I couldnt imagine feeding him anything but the best. No stabs at what anyone feeds theyre animals. Just trying to share :)
Is anyone outside of the show dog world using Fromm dog food?
The nutritional requirements of a working dog are rather different...
fromm is good stuff, I would use it if it weren't so expensive ( four big dogs) Smossy sounds like a sales rep, maybe he can hook us up. :chuckle:
as for the nutritional requirements of working and show dogs...I don't see too many flabby sporting group contestants in the show ring. Show dogs get worked to build up their muscle tone for the judges. they might not have hunt from dawn til dusk but they are no couch potatoes either.
I don't think there is one perfect dog food out there, every dog is going to react differently to any given formula. I have four dogs and at one time I was feeding Three different brands and formulas in accordance to what I thought they needed. I am down to one now ( natures domain or TOTW) and everyone's improving. my last hold out was my youngest setter who was on ppp for most of his life. he wouldn't gain weight ( looked too thin even for a shag) and his coat looked like chit ( in the right light you could see his pink skin) after a month and a half of natures domain he gained a couple healthy pounds and his coat fluffed up like crazy. Im not saying natures domain did this, I think any dog food a with a nutritional value better than PPP would have achieved this result.
PPP's second ingredient is corn gluten meal, which is something most higher quality brands are staying away from, I think I am going to follow their lead.
if I had the time, energy, and money I would feed the BARF or Raw diet again, my dogs had never looked better or had more energy.
Haha, no Im actually somewhat new to it in the last 6 months. I love it, Love its results. I see attitude/weight/energy totally change. Cant get our stryder to sit still, Hes like a small child and hes almost 10 years old :chuckle:
I think the energy boost would go hand in hand with the most active hunting dogs.
And yeah its expensive for sure, $50-60 for a 30lb bag.
I imagine how it would be rough for 4 dogs, Id probably find something else also.
But you DO get what you pay for, as they say with everything :) Cheers everyone.
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Natures Domain from costco! Good food, reasonable price. My golden missed a lot of this year from allergic reactions that had him chewing his feet raw. Switched to Natures domain and doing great.
Not saying this was the problem at all, But It could be an issue with some peoples animals.
It seems not very many people are aware of flea hypersensitivity.
Just a few flea bites will cause the same effect (that you explained), in which your average pet can take a whole infestation and barely go noticed. Diet does play a role in helping but does not solve the problem. Cheers to everyone and caring to actually look into better feeding/tending theyre animals. Remember your animals are a part of the family, You wouldnt want to be fed garbage, Neither do they, They just cant tell you otherwise.
Well, interesting you say that, because they had fleas at the same time and he had never reacted to food before. How can I find out what was causing it for sure? Fleas are under control now.
Well its kind of hit and miss, if you find your dogs scratching or chewing on specific locations, on a reguler basis, Id start to check there, then if theres actually scabbing, but your failing to find a REAL heavy flea infestation it could be hypersensitivity, It just means they react MORE then your average animal. Just like Im somewhat alergic to cats, but I own 2 lol. BUT when one of them scratches me or something, I swell up like I just got attacked by bees. Your vet would best be able to tell you, Im pretty sure they have small tests for it just like a person would have alergy tests done. Never done it first hand, We just troubleshoot our own problems untill we get to the source. Food can play an issue in it also.
This should give you alittle better explination as Im no professional, vet, or a scientist haha.
http://www.vetmed.vt.edu/education/Curriculum/VM8054/HISTO%20CASEBOOK/FLEA%20DERMATITIS/DERMATITISDISCUSS.htm (http://www.vetmed.vt.edu/education/Curriculum/VM8054/HISTO%20CASEBOOK/FLEA%20DERMATITIS/DERMATITISDISCUSS.htm)
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as for the nutritional requirements of working and show dogs...I don't see too many flabby sporting group contestants in the show ring. Show dogs get worked to build up their muscle tone for the judges. they might not have hunt from dawn til dusk but they are no couch potatoes either.
Well...that depends. I've got some friends who show Pointers and their dogs do well in the show ring (not bad in the field too incidently). The most exercise those dogs get is whatever they burn wandering their 3 acres every day. They're lean, but comparing them to the dogs running at Ames this week is like night and day.
Compared to past years my dogs have had it easy this year, but I've demanded a lot out of my dogs at times and it showed in their calorie burn. I know of other guys who hunt their dogs 30-60 days in a hunting season, sometimes for days at a time. Not just any fuel is going to keep their motors running. Some of those dogs get run in fun trials or NSTRA or AF trials in the off season too.
Guys really running the heck out of their dogs should really take a look at Dr. Tim's. While I'm not wild about the multi meat protien in it (food allergy risks there), I've heard some good things about it. My point is guys need to look at what they're doing with their dogs and choose appropriate feeds relative to that.
I don't think there is one perfect dog food out there, every dog is going to react differently to any given formula. I have four dogs and at one time I was feeding Three different brands and formulas in accordance to what I thought they needed. I am down to one now ( natures domain or TOTW) and everyone's improving. my last hold out was my youngest setter who was on ppp for most of his life. he wouldn't gain weight ( looked too thin even for a shag) and his coat looked like chit ( in the right light you could see his pink skin) after a month and a half of natures domain he gained a couple healthy pounds and his coat fluffed up like crazy. Im not saying natures domain did this, I think any dog food a with a nutritional value better than PPP would have achieved this result.
PPP's second ingredient is corn gluten meal, which is something most higher quality brands are staying away from, I think I am going to follow their lead.
if I had the time, energy, and money I would feed the BARF or Raw diet again, my dogs had never looked better or had more energy.
Funny thing though, the brand that a lot of specialty brands compare themselves to in the 30/20 category is PPP.
But like I said, if it works for your budget and your dog, feed it. My wife and I need to head to Costco this week anyhow, maybe I'll pick some Nature's Domain and give it a try. :)
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as for the nutritional requirements of working and show dogs...I don't see too many flabby sporting group contestants in the show ring. Show dogs get worked to build up their muscle tone for the judges. they might not have hunt from dawn til dusk but they are no couch potatoes either.
Well...that depends. I've got some friends who show Pointers and their dogs do well in the show ring (not bad in the field too incidently). The most exercise those dogs get is whatever they burn wandering their 3 acres every day. They're lean, but comparing them to the dogs running at Ames this week is like night and day.
Compared to past years my dogs have had it easy this year, but I've demanded a lot out of my dogs at times and it showed in their calorie burn. I know of other guys who hunt their dogs 30-60 days in a hunting season, sometimes for days at a time. Not just any fuel is going to keep their motors running. Some of those dogs get run in fun trials or NSTRA or AF trials in the off season too.
Guys really running the heck out of their dogs should really take a look at Dr. Tim's. While I'm not wild about the multi meat protien in it (food allergy risks there), I've heard some good things about it. My point is guys need to look at what they're doing with their dogs and choose appropriate feeds relative to that.
I don't think there is one perfect dog food out there, every dog is going to react differently to any given formula. I have four dogs and at one time I was feeding Three different brands and formulas in accordance to what I thought they needed. I am down to one now ( natures domain or TOTW) and everyone's improving. my last hold out was my youngest setter who was on ppp for most of his life. he wouldn't gain weight ( looked too thin even for a shag) and his coat looked like chit ( in the right light you could see his pink skin) after a month and a half of natures domain he gained a couple healthy pounds and his coat fluffed up like crazy. Im not saying natures domain did this, I think any dog food a with a nutritional value better than PPP would have achieved this result.
PPP's second ingredient is corn gluten meal, which is something most higher quality brands are staying away from, I think I am going to follow their lead.
if I had the time, energy, and money I would feed the BARF or Raw diet again, my dogs had never looked better or had more energy.
Funny thing though, the brand that a lot of specialty brands compare themselves to in the 30/20 category is PPP.
But like I said, if it works for your budget and your dog, feed it. My wife and I need to head to Costco this week anyhow, maybe I'll pick some Nature's Domain and give it a try. :)
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I was feeding Native now I have switched to Taste of the Wild it's a great food the dogs love it.
I am not trying to spam at all, but I found a website to order my food from and they carry all kinds and deliver to your door. Check it out if you want it's called petflow.com
If this post is inappropriate feel free to delete
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I'm starting to see this pop up more and more among some field trailers and mushers are feeding it too.
http://drtims.com/ (http://drtims.com/)
I believe you can get this shipped to you through a couple of different services.
Something to remember about higher dollar foods like this one. You can feed less and get better results which effectively blunts the cost.
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I use IAMS proactive health for my pup! i know its not the absolute best, but its the best i can afford being a broke college student and all. And he seems to be growing and progressing just fine, and after all growing up its all my hunting dogs ever got and they turned out to be just fine with long lives and lots of successful hunts :tup:
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We feed our two dogs ( Black Lab and Pug ) Blue Buffalo Wilderness and have been for years. They are only 6 years old, but they have had zero health concerns. Only issues are with the Lab. Once in a blue moon she will get bad diarrhea, but I think it may be due to stress. It normally happens when there is a big lifestyle change. Her other issue is gas, this is daily. Its bad, I mean run you out the room bad. I have tried different foods for a few months at a time but she still had the gas. This wouldnt be much of an issue if she didnt think she was a lap dog.
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If anyone can fix the gas it would be awesome.
Matt