Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 08:42:37 AM
Post by: 92xj on February 08, 2013, 08:43:52 AM
Post by: Button Nubbs on February 08, 2013, 08:45:04 AM
Post by: Widgeondeke on February 08, 2013, 08:45:52 AM
Hope they wasted their time. Did they take anything as evidence?
Post by: C-Money on February 08, 2013, 08:46:07 AM
Post by: Curly on February 08, 2013, 08:47:41 AM
Post by: h20hunter on February 08, 2013, 08:48:11 AM
Post by: NWBREW on February 08, 2013, 08:50:02 AM
Post by: lokidog on February 08, 2013, 09:11:43 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 09:14:03 AM
Post by: lokidog on February 08, 2013, 09:17:06 AM
Hope you had a talk with the boy about too much stuff on Facebook though. :chuckle:
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 08, 2013, 09:20:02 AM
Post by: h20hunter on February 08, 2013, 09:20:45 AM
Post by: sirmissalot on February 08, 2013, 09:56:06 AM
Hope your boy didn't catch too much guff about the pics... By the sounds of it I'm guessing he did.
Post by: bearpaw on February 08, 2013, 10:06:51 AM
Post by: WSU on February 08, 2013, 10:30:00 AM
I was going to let you sit on it for awhile :dunno: This maybe the best thing that could of happened :dunno: All over a picture of my SON posting a picture on facebook :o :rolleyes: He was holding a Native steelhead out of the water :bdid: According to them you can not take a Native fish out of the water if it is closed for keeping them ...no matter if you turn it loose or not ..You have to either cut your line or keep the fish in the water at all times without handling it ...Thats fine since not everyone knows how to handle a fish ..But wetting yours hands is how I handle a fish I want to cut loose ...I can understand what they are saying ...They came because they thought that Teddy was clubbing fish in the head !!! They searched the freezers to find many fish :dunno: 8) BUT NO STEELHEAD !!! They were doing their job and thats fine ...After a 2 hour deal I hope we settled our differences and this will be the end of it ...I told them how I felt and they done the same ...they need to understand where I am coming from too ! I buy every tag this state has to offer and I am not sitting home and doing nothen when I pay for what I do ...that is what it is all about ...I am tired of all the laws they come up with and I have a right to beach about what I believe in ... I am not braking the law like they may think I am ... and now they seen what is in my house ...lots of fish and dead animals that are legally taken and reported I hope they can leave me alone now ...and I will do the same !!
Sounds to me like you got a good lesson. That law was put in place because people don't know how to handle fish and don't do it responsibly. Many people who claim to know how to handle fish still hold them out of the water too long. Just yesterday someone posted a "funny" comment about kicking pinks back into the water. While there are plenty of pinks around, it still isn't proper fish handling, still is harmful to the fish, and still shouldn't be done. I've never understood why hunters feel it is OK to mistreat fish but not OK to mistreat animals? And, I've seen plenty of steelhead mishandled and even some kicked back down the gravel bar to be released "unharmed." Personally, I hope you got a ticket and learned your lesson (which it doesn't sound like occurred on either count).
Post by: h20hunter on February 08, 2013, 10:30:46 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on February 08, 2013, 10:34:16 AM
Post by: Houndhunter on February 08, 2013, 10:34:33 AM
Post by: BIGINNER on February 08, 2013, 10:36:05 AM
Post by: WSU on February 08, 2013, 10:39:54 AM
Post by: h20hunter on February 08, 2013, 10:42:53 AM
Post by: Curly on February 08, 2013, 10:47:37 AM
Should be a good lesson for some people on here too............Big Brother is watching (especially if you bitch about them on the internet and piss them off). :)
Post by: Tbar on February 08, 2013, 10:52:49 AM
Post by: woodman on February 08, 2013, 10:55:13 AM
There's always one! I guess it just bugs me when people get caught doing something illegal then bitch on the interwebz like they are the victim when they get caught. I guess we should all feel bad for him?
If I understand this correctly, this guy's son took a picture of a fish before he released it. Then I believe that you think it is justified for LEO to come and raid his home and go through his personal stuff because of his son's picture? That really scares me, what about a person that gets pulled over for doing ten miles an hour over the speed limit. Should the police raid his home because maybe he was speeding because of drugs. Really seems over the top to me.
Post by: Cap.Silver on February 08, 2013, 11:03:09 AM
Post by: Tbar on February 08, 2013, 11:08:05 AM
What gets me is the fact that this visit must have cost the people of WA tens of thousands of dollars .......for one picture of steelhead out of water ...when I see them on the web every day on fishing reports done by guides . I don't buy it - I think you must have made someone very mad (I'm not insinuating that your warden comments have anything to do with it ) :chuckle::yeah: I would like to see the final report, assuming it is final, and what the cost was. That's mind boggling that they would execute a multi agency raid over a mishandled fish.
Post by: JLS on February 08, 2013, 11:09:04 AM
Post by: Holg3107 on February 08, 2013, 11:14:33 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 11:16:09 AM
Was there really a swat team to check for a steelhead in your freezer? :dunno:bearPaw ..you should kmow by now my figure of speech is a little on the shady side :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: No ..it was not a Swat team but it looked like it in my driveway ...sorry if that was a problem ;)
Post by: Tbar on February 08, 2013, 11:18:15 AM
How do you know it was multi agency?Does they WDFW have a SWAT team?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 11:18:45 AM
WELL ...I appreciate your concerns ..and I will not comment on your comment because you know what I am thinking :hello:I was going to let you sit on it for awhile :dunno: This maybe the best thing that could of happened :dunno: All over a picture of my SON posting a picture on facebook :o :rolleyes: He was holding a Native steelhead out of the water :bdid: According to them you can not take a Native fish out of the water if it is closed for keeping them ...no matter if you turn it loose or not ..You have to either cut your line or keep the fish in the water at all times without handling it ...Thats fine since not everyone knows how to handle a fish ..But wetting yours hands is how I handle a fish I want to cut loose ...I can understand what they are saying ...They came because they thought that Teddy was clubbing fish in the head !!! They searched the freezers to find many fish :dunno: 8) BUT NO STEELHEAD !!! They were doing their job and thats fine ...After a 2 hour deal I hope we settled our differences and this will be the end of it ...I told them how I felt and they done the same ...they need to understand where I am coming from too ! I buy every tag this state has to offer and I am not sitting home and doing nothen when I pay for what I do ...that is what it is all about ...I am tired of all the laws they come up with and I have a right to beach about what I believe in ... I am not braking the law like they may think I am ... and now they seen what is in my house ...lots of fish and dead animals that are legally taken and reported I hope they can leave me alone now ...and I will do the same !!
Sounds to me like you got a good lesson. That law was put in place because people don't know how to handle fish and don't do it responsibly. Many people who claim to know how to handle fish still hold them out of the water too long. Just yesterday someone posted a "funny" comment about kicking pinks back into the water. While there are plenty of pinks around, it still isn't proper fish handling, still is harmful to the fish, and still shouldn't be done. I've never understood why hunters feel it is OK to mistreat fish but not OK to mistreat animals? And, I've seen plenty of steelhead mishandled and even some kicked back down the gravel bar to be released "unharmed." Personally, I hope you got a ticket and learned your lesson (which it doesn't sound like occurred on either count).
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 11:20:59 AM
There's always one! I guess it just bugs me when people get caught doing something illegal then bitch on the interwebz like they are the victim when they get caught. I guess we should all feel bad for him?you do not need to feel sorry for anyone !!!! If you want to think holding a fish out of water is illegal then we have a problem ...you can message me if you like because this may get ugly !
Post by: JLS on February 08, 2013, 11:22:00 AM
How do you know it was multi agency?Does they WDFW have a SWAT team?
Sure it was really a SWAT team?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 11:24:22 AM
How do you know it was multi agency?it was !!!! 3 wardens and 2 police officers !
Post by: h20hunter on February 08, 2013, 11:24:29 AM
Post by: boneaddict on February 08, 2013, 11:28:18 AM
Post by: Smossy on February 08, 2013, 11:29:29 AM
:tup:Facebook is the dumbest thing ever. I dont believe in that stalker website.
Hope you had a talk with the boy about too much stuff on Facebook though. :chuckle:
Post by: BIGINNER on February 08, 2013, 11:30:09 AM
Post by: JLS on February 08, 2013, 11:30:50 AM
How do you know it was multi agency?it was !!!! 3 wardens and 2 police officers !
....does not a SWAT team make.
Post by: h20hunter on February 08, 2013, 11:33:30 AM
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I'd like to touch on this a bit more. So....I read the regs and they say it is illegal to hold a native out of the water. I say okay....this is a rule....it is published and enforcable. Now...because I agree that this rule exists I would have a problem with you?
Do you see how that statment shows your intent to disregard laws/rules you disagree with? If so, like I and others have mentioned, I believe you are making your own problems. If you are teaching these boys to do the same they will continue to have problems with the local authority as well.
Post by: boneaddict on February 08, 2013, 11:35:27 AM
is it illegal to practice taxidermy not licenced? I mean as a hobby. not selling things or anythingAs long you are not selling it you are ok. Encompassed in that is doing it for friends (taking a 100 to cover costs or buy beer). That sort of thing. Better be careful with migratory stuff and records too these days. I think you can get into trouble really fast.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 11:40:33 AM
Post by: woodman on February 08, 2013, 11:41:22 AM
you do not need to feel sorry for anyone !!!! If you want to think holding a fish out of water is illegal then we have a problem ...you can message me if you like because this may get ugly !
I'd like to touch on this a bit more. So....I read the regs and they say it is illegal to hold a native out of the water. I say okay....this is a rule....it is published and enforcable. Now...because I agree that this rule exists I would have a problem with you?
Do you see how that statment shows your intent to disregard laws/rules you disagree with? If so, like I and others have mentioned, I believe you are making your own problems. If you are teaching these boys to do the same they will continue to have problems with the local authority as well.
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Just curious, do you really think that taking a picture of a fish before releasing it rises to the level of having his home invaded and gone through because of it? How many people have done this, maybe I am missing the severity of that pic. I realize that his son was wrong for doing it, but to invade his home because his son took a picture of a fish that he caught and released? I truly am struggling with this one.
Post by: Hawgdawg on February 08, 2013, 11:44:15 AM
How do you know it was multi agency?Does they WDFW have a SWAT team?
No. They use other agencies. When the raided my neighbors barn to take a peek at his two legally taken and tagged elk they brought two state patrol cars, one sheriff's and fish and feathers with the lights going. Allot of man power for nothing. Wish I had a state job!!
I had fish and feathers come over on a similar deal last spring. They went through the freezers looking for a Nat. found nothing. My wife told them on the way out door that I had buried it in the garden! Next thing I know they have crime seine tape around the vegi garden and a bit latter a truck load of uniforms show up with shovels. After they spent all day digging up the vegi garden I thanked them and put the rototiller back in the barn!
Gotta love that women!
Post by: h20hunter on February 08, 2013, 11:44:37 AM
My comment was directed to the cadence created by BH beating his chest and stating that if you agree that this is illegal you are "gonna have a problem" with him. As stated before there is much much more to his relationship with the local departments than just his kid taking a fish out of the water for a photo.
Post by: boneaddict on February 08, 2013, 11:46:53 AM
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As stated before there is much much more to his relationship with the local departments than just his kid taking a fish out of the water for a photo.
And that why I am trying to respectfully get the rest of the story so the likes of Woodman don't think they do this just for sport.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 11:47:38 AM
We had a short conversation about Taxidermy ... I do need to get a license and I may but I need a bigger place to do it commercially !is it illegal to practice taxidermy not licenced? I mean as a hobby. not selling things or anythingAs long you are not selling it you are ok. Encompassed in that is doing it for friends (taking a 100 to cover costs or buy beer). That sort of thing. Better be careful with migratory stuff and records too these days. I think you can get into trouble really fast.
Post by: Curly on February 08, 2013, 11:48:23 AM
How do you know it was multi agency?Does they WDFW have a SWAT team?
No. They use other agencies. When the raided my neighbors barn to take a peek at his two legally taken and tagged elk they brought two state patrol cars, one sheriff's and fish and feathers with the lights going. Allot of man power for nothing. Wish I had a state job!!
I had fish and feathers come over on a similar deal last spring. They went through the freezers looking for a Nat. found nothing. My wife told them on the way out door that I had buried it in the garden! Next thing I know they have crime seine tape around the vegi garden and a bit latter a truck load of uniforms show up with shovels. After they spent all day digging up the vegi garden I thanked them and put the rototiller back in the barn!
Gotta love that women!
:chuckle:
Nice twist on the one about the guy telling officers about hiding pot under the woodpile:
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Hello, is this the Sheriff's Office?'
'Yes What can I do for you?'
'I'm calling to report 'bout my neighbor Virgil Smith....He's
hidin' marijuana inside his firewood! Don't quite know how he gets it inside them logs , but he's hidin' it there.'
'Thank you very much for the call, sir.'
The next day, the Sheriff's Deputies descend on Virgil's house. They
search the shed where the firewood is kept. Using axes, they bust open every piece of wood, but; find no marijuana. They sneer at Virgil and leave.
Shortly, the phone rings at Virgil's house.
'Hey, Virgil! This here's Floyd....Did the Sheriff come?'
'Yeah!'
'Did they chop your firewood?'
'Yep!'
'Happy Birthday, buddy!'
Post by: huntingfool7 on February 08, 2013, 11:52:12 AM
Raiding a guys house for a picture like that is over the top. Gasping fish or not.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 11:52:47 AM
Post by: Curly on February 08, 2013, 11:59:12 AM
I'm curious though, what would they do if they found fillets? How do they tell if its steelhead or salmon (short of taking a sample for DNA testing) if it isn't a whole fish? (and even if it was steelhead, they wouldn't know if it was native or hatchery if it was processed).
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 08, 2013, 12:01:47 PM
They were able to obtain a search warrant for a Facebook pic of a mishandled fish. Did they take anything?
That's the crux here I think. How on earth could they get a warrant, and even if they did, how could any seized evidence be admissible.
1) Prove that the photo was taken in Washington.
2) Prove that any (hypothetical) steelhead were taken in Washington.
3) Prove that any (hypothetical) steelhead found in the OP's freezer were not taken 1, 2 10 or 20 years ago.
4) Prove that any hypothetical steelhead found in the OP's freezer were from Washington streams
5) Prove that any DNA tests are unimpeachable, when we are talking about frozen fish.
I could go on and on, showing how a smart lawyer could jam all this up WDFW arse. This was a colossal waste of time and effort, and the WDFW should be ashamed and held accountable for exercising warrants where any evidence will be very questionable.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 08, 2013, 12:03:03 PM
I'm glad they couldn't pinch you or your kids for anything. :tup::yeah: :yeah:
I'm curious though, what would they do if they found fillets? How do they tell if its steelhead or salmon (short of taking a sample for DNA testing) if it isn't a whole fish? (and even if it was steelhead, they wouldn't know if it was native or hatchery if it was processed).
Post by: Curly on February 08, 2013, 12:08:27 PM
I could go on and on, showing how a smart lawyer could jam all this up WDFW arse. This was a colossal waste of time and effort, and the WDFW should be ashamed and held accountable for exercising warrants where any evidence will be very questionable.
Sure seems like a waste of time, doesn't it?
I don't want to say much bad about WDFW though.............it seems like they don't like criticism; Right BH45? (They might get a warrant to come search our freezers if we complain about them too much). ;)
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 08, 2013, 12:11:25 PM
I could go on and on, showing how a smart lawyer could jam all this up WDFW arse. This was a colossal waste of time and effort, and the WDFW should be ashamed and held accountable for exercising warrants where any evidence will be very questionable.
Sure seems like a waste of time, doesn't it?
I don't want to say much bad about WDFW though.............it seems like they don't like criticism; Right BH45? (They might get a warrant to come search our freezers if we complain about them too much). ;)
How many discovery passes could be paid for by the funds wated on this legally wild goose chase?
Post by: bearpaw on February 08, 2013, 12:12:55 PM
Was there really a swat team to check for a steelhead in your freezer? :dunno:bearPaw ..you should kmow by now my figure of speech is a little on the shady side :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: No ..it was not a Swat team but it looked like it in my driveway ...sorry if that was a problem ;)
No problem, was just curious if there was actually a swat team. Thanks for claryifying.
Post by: Curly on February 08, 2013, 12:16:13 PM
Post by: 92xj on February 08, 2013, 12:16:43 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 08, 2013, 12:20:02 PM
You guys really think they went through all that trouble, wasted money and time and searched the house to try and find one native steelhead or do you think that maybe there is more to the story?
I assume the lowest common denominator in this type of case, laziness.
Post by: WSU on February 08, 2013, 12:20:16 PM
You guys really think they went through all that trouble, wasted money and time and searched the house to try and find one native steelhead or do you think that maybe there is more to the story?
Agreed. I highly doubt they would have given the kid a ticket even if they caught him in the act (assuming he was just holding the fish up gently for a picture).
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 08, 2013, 12:20:34 PM
Post by: boneaddict on February 08, 2013, 12:25:16 PM
We would be celebrating if they were doing their job and caught a poaching ring or something like that. We can celbrate that one of our own is ok and everything is good.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 12:34:53 PM
I think they call that probably cause......kinda like not turning down your high beams, crossing the yellow line, taillight out, sort of thing. Next thing you know you are cuffed and standing next to the mile marker while 4 officers search your car.you nailed it Bone ...probable cause !!! Stated right on the warrant !!!
We would be celebrating if they were doing their job and caught a poaching ring or something like that. We can celbrate that one of our own is ok and everything is good.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 08, 2013, 12:35:37 PM
Based off the info given it would seem that a gamie coming to educate the kid on what is a clear violation of the law would have been sufficient. I think again based on the info given going to the level that WDFW did seems excessive, but given the history between WDFW and BH45 not really a suprise.
But that is not justification to waste our money. Furthermore, it is not justification to persecute somebody. The law isn't a popularity contest.
The Prosecuting attorney who asked for the warrant, and the judge who issued it should explain themselves
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 08, 2013, 12:36:37 PM
I think they call that probably cause......kinda like not turning down your high beams, crossing the yellow line, taillight out, sort of thing. Next thing you know you are cuffed and standing next to the mile marker while 4 officers search your car.you nailed it Bone ...probable cause !!! Stated right on the warrant !!!
We would be celebrating if they were doing their job and caught a poaching ring or something like that. We can celbrate that one of our own is ok and everything is good.
And a single photo on Facebook should not be sufficient probable cause
Post by: WSU on February 08, 2013, 12:37:47 PM
I think they call that probably cause......kinda like not turning down your high beams, crossing the yellow line, taillight out, sort of thing. Next thing you know you are cuffed and standing next to the mile marker while 4 officers search your car.you nailed it Bone ...probable cause !!! Stated right on the warrant !!!
We would be celebrating if they were doing their job and caught a poaching ring or something like that. We can celbrate that one of our own is ok and everything is good.
And a single photo on Facebook should not be sufficient probable cause
And probably wasn't. What jurisdiction was it? We can look up the public record and see what the judge felt was probable cause to search his home.
Post by: h20hunter on February 08, 2013, 12:40:00 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 12:40:05 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 08, 2013, 12:41:57 PM
I disagree. Like I said it may have been over the top a bit, but was justified. Would they do that to you or I probably not, but there is a contentious history there between them.Based off the info given it would seem that a gamie coming to educate the kid on what is a clear violation of the law would have been sufficient. I think again based on the info given going to the level that WDFW did seems excessive, but given the history between WDFW and BH45 not really a suprise.
But that is not justification to waste our money. Furthermore, it is not justification to persecute somebody. The law isn't a popularity contest.
The Prosecuting attorney who asked for the warrant, and the judge who issued it should explain themselves
Post by: WSU on February 08, 2013, 12:50:59 PM
They probably thought we were killing Native fish :dunno:
What agency showed up at your house and what court is on the paperwork? Let us know and we can find out exactly what the grounds were for probable cause.
Post by: combs338 on February 08, 2013, 01:09:35 PM
:tup:Facebook is the dumbest thing ever. I dont believe in that stalker website.
Hope you had a talk with the boy about too much stuff on Facebook though. :chuckle:
:yeah:
Post by: huntnphool on February 08, 2013, 01:21:09 PM
Hard to believe this many man hours and resources were used over a picture posted on Facebook, all over a fish being held out of the water?They probably thought we were killing Native fish :dunno:
What agency showed up at your house and what court is on the paperwork? Let us know and we can find out exactly what the grounds were for probable cause.
There has got to be more to this than is being disclosed, lets see that paperwork.
Post by: WSU on February 08, 2013, 01:25:46 PM
Post by: rudedawg1085 on February 08, 2013, 01:35:52 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 08, 2013, 01:38:24 PM
Hard to believe this many man hours and resources were used over a picture posted on Facebook, all over a fish being held out of the water?They probably thought we were killing Native fish :dunno:
What agency showed up at your house and what court is on the paperwork? Let us know and we can find out exactly what the grounds were for probable cause.
There has got to be more to this than is being disclosed, lets see that paperwork.
:yeah:.......its BS without PIC's
Post by: h20hunter on February 08, 2013, 01:52:25 PM
Post by: boneaddict on February 08, 2013, 01:58:41 PM
The fact that yeaaaars ago (or whenverever it was) some old men sat around a table and decided to make a law saying its illiegal to hold a native fish out of the water, and now people act like you just robbed a bank if you do, is funny to me....
THe same old men could have made it so it was ILLEGAL TO FISH, even though catch and release seems quite logical. However they tried to compensate for folks that didn't know how to/ or cared to know how too handle fish and came up with the law so that the rest of us could still fish that water. :dunno:
Post by: WSU on February 08, 2013, 02:01:58 PM
The fact that yeaaaars ago (or whenverever it was) some old men sat around a table and decided to make a law saying its illiegal to hold a native fish out of the water, and now people act like you just robbed a bank if you do, is funny to me....
THe same old men could have made it so it was ILLEGAL TO FISH, even though catch and release seems quite logical. However they tried to compensate for folks that didn't know how to/ or cared to know how too handle fish and came up with the law so that the rest of us could still fish that water. :dunno:
I personally like the law. It doesn't hamper my fishing at all and it protects fish. Why do people need to remove a fish from the water that isn't legal to retain in the first place? Net it with a CnR net or tail it, remove the hooks, snap photo, and release. Seems pretty damn simple to me, and thousands of anglers have managed to figure it out.
Post by: h20hunter on February 08, 2013, 02:02:24 PM
Post by: WSU on February 08, 2013, 02:03:34 PM
Sorry but that is not how these threads work. No docs will get posted.
Complaining about the "SWAT" team isn't as fun when both sides of the story come out?
Post by: h20hunter on February 08, 2013, 02:07:33 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 08, 2013, 02:21:50 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on February 08, 2013, 03:09:39 PM
We all need to be aware of what is going on with our rights to hunt and fish and we should all learn from each other what is right and wrong ...I try to help people on this site as much as I can and I will continue to do ...another thing ...there was 4 or 5 nets out one day they were fishing ...its o.k to net Native steelhead but its illegal for a kid to take a picture of a fish he caught by holding it out of the water ....this is O.K ...By law yes ..but I do not have to agree with it !
That's what's crazy!
Post by: Hawgdawg on February 08, 2013, 03:14:45 PM
:tup:Facebook is the dumbest thing ever. I dont believe in that stalker website.
Hope you had a talk with the boy about too much stuff on Facebook though. :chuckle:
You don't believe there are not moose and goose stalkers on this web site??? Just fb?
Heck, they are making over time on this thread!
Our hard earned tax dollars at work.
And their policeman buddys are surfing the porn sites for poachers getting overtime!
Post by: fishngamereaper on February 08, 2013, 03:27:01 PM
:tup:Facebook is the dumbest thing ever. I dont believe in that stalker website.
Hope you had a talk with the boy about too much stuff on Facebook though. :chuckle:
You don't believe there are not moose and goose stalkers on this web site??? Just fb?
Heck, they are making over time on this thread!
Our hard earned tax dollars at work.
And their policeman buddys are surfing the porn sites for poachers getting overtime!
I assume you have proof.
Post by: cohoho on February 08, 2013, 04:22:12 PM
Post by: h20hunter on February 08, 2013, 04:24:24 PM
Post by: Alchase on February 08, 2013, 04:35:33 PM
Come on there has to be more to the story than a kid holding a fish out of the water.... Sounds like the guy with the two point buck story... More to it than being presented... You guys act like like LEOs and Fish and Game have nothing better to do than harass someone for something as simple as a fish out of water, where is the icon with the B.S. flag?
It looks like the "BS smiley" was deleted :chuckle:
I was finding it difficult to swallow that all the WDFW needs to get a search warrent is a picture of a kid on facebook holding a Natural Steelhead out of the water :dunno:
If that kid was a convicted felon poacher with a handgun showing in the picture of him holding a nate steely, I could see probable cause to search his house, not just some randon teenager with a nate steely out of the water :o
BTW, what is holding a natural steelhead out of the water? Is it a misdemeanor? Fine?
Post by: huntnphool on February 08, 2013, 04:46:24 PM
Proof's in the pudding, as they say. BH has logged on a few times since I asked for clarification but it appears that none is forthcoming?(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/MGalleryItem.php?id=11848)
Post by: Smossy on February 08, 2013, 04:50:57 PM
Haha I dont doubt it :):tup:Facebook is the dumbest thing ever. I dont believe in that stalker website.
Hope you had a talk with the boy about too much stuff on Facebook though. :chuckle:
You don't believe there are not moose and goose stalkers on this web site??? Just fb?
Heck, they are making over time on this thread!
Our hard earned tax dollars at work.
And their policeman buddys are surfing the porn sites for poachers getting overtime!
But were all not "posting our status" of what were doing every 5 minutes either like half the people I know who use that website. Its like "hey Im here" or "Tagged, Hey Im over here now" Its dumb and useless and pathetic. Why do you want people knowing where you are at every second.... Like oh snap your at walmart, High five!
Plus people post family pictures, and entire photo albums of theyre children.
Half of which arent even private, Its disgusting. You never know whos looking at your family or kids. Just my opinion. I absolutely dissaprove of FB. Causes problems for everyone.
Post by: 206 on February 08, 2013, 05:50:45 PM
btw/ A neighbor 2 doors down says the neighbor next to her smokes pot outside, and she can smell it.
Should I call the DEA?
Post by: Antlershed on February 08, 2013, 06:50:34 PM
:yeah: It is pretty easy to net them, keep them in the water, and take a pic without removing them from the water. The law states they cannot be completely removed. This means a fin still in the water, and you are good to go. I think this is meant to keep the idiots from kicking fish back in the river that cannot be kept. :twocents:The fact that yeaaaars ago (or whenverever it was) some old men sat around a table and decided to make a law saying its illiegal to hold a native fish out of the water, and now people act like you just robbed a bank if you do, is funny to me....
THe same old men could have made it so it was ILLEGAL TO FISH, even though catch and release seems quite logical. However they tried to compensate for folks that didn't know how to/ or cared to know how too handle fish and came up with the law so that the rest of us could still fish that water. :dunno:
I personally like the law. It doesn't hamper my fishing at all and it protects fish. Why do people need to remove a fish from the water that isn't legal to retain in the first place? Net it with a CnR net or tail it, remove the hooks, snap photo, and release. Seems pretty damn simple to me, and thousands of anglers have managed to figure it out.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 07:16:49 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on February 08, 2013, 07:37:17 PM
Just so I get this straight: this is all about a picture of a fish that was raised out of the water and then released and it should have been kept in the water and released? :dunno:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 07:44:58 PM
Phew.. we had been a few days without any drama. What would we have done without this thread?? :rolleyes:Yes ... pretty much ....I am not saying they were not doing their job and I am not mad they showed up ..I knew it was coming sooner or later....heck they really liked my wife ;) I think it was good for both sides ...unless teddy gets a ticket in the mail !
Just so I get this straight: this is all about a picture of a fish that was raised out of the water and then released and it should have been kept in the water and released? :dunno:
Post by: Mudman on February 08, 2013, 08:28:06 PM
Post by: Antlershed on February 08, 2013, 08:34:27 PM
Just so I get this straight: this is all about a picture of a fish that was raised out of the water and then released and it should have been kept in the water and released? :dunno:Is that what BH45 says it is all about, yes. Is that what it is really about, doubtful... :twocents:
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 08, 2013, 08:45:50 PM
Whats messed up is if we are all afraid to speak our mind on the forum now. If we are being babysat and scrutinized to this extent that is disturbing. That it leads to this? I understand keeping an eye out for serious crimes like poaching and such by law enforcement is needed but this goes too far for sure. Maybe I should consider ending my participation on here as I dont participate on Facebook either? Freedom of speech issue to me. Big Brother. Technology is the end of privacy it seems. :dunno:Yes it is the end when you put it out there on a public site or forum. I live by the rule if I don't want people to know, don't tell anyone.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 08:46:10 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 08:48:04 PM
yeah so whats the problem ? if I did not want you to know would I post it for you to read ....?Whats messed up is if we are all afraid to speak our mind on the forum now. If we are being babysat and scrutinized to this extent that is disturbing. That it leads to this? I understand keeping an eye out for serious crimes like poaching and such by law enforcement is needed but this goes too far for sure. Maybe I should consider ending my participation on here as I dont participate on Facebook either? Freedom of speech issue to me. Big Brother. Technology is the end of privacy it seems. :dunno:Yes it is the end when you put it out there on a public site or forum. I live by the rule if I don't want people to know, don't tell anyone.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 08:50:28 PM
What do you think it is about ? Obviously you birds think there is something else ....Nothen that I am aware of ... Why you holding that sturgeon out of the water ? It must of died when you released it :dunno: ;)Just so I get this straight: this is all about a picture of a fish that was raised out of the water and then released and it should have been kept in the water and released? :dunno:Is that what BH45 says it is all about, yes. Is that what it is really about, doubtful... :twocents:
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 08, 2013, 08:52:01 PM
Post by: Antlershed on February 08, 2013, 08:56:10 PM
it didn't die when I released it, it died when I shoved the fillet knife in its gills :rolleyes:What do you think it is about ? Obviously you birds think there is something else ....Nothen that I am aware of ... Why you holding that sturgeon out of the water ? It must of died when you released it :dunno: ;)Just so I get this straight: this is all about a picture of a fish that was raised out of the water and then released and it should have been kept in the water and released? :dunno:Is that what BH45 says it is all about, yes. Is that what it is really about, doubtful... :twocents:
Just saying I doubt they raided your house over one picture.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 09:01:29 PM
Post by: dscubame on February 08, 2013, 09:04:02 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 09:05:17 PM
once I get the report you will be first to see it ;) :tup:it didn't die when I released it, it died when I shoved the fillet knife in its gills :rolleyes:What do you think it is about ? Obviously you birds think there is something else ....Nothen that I am aware of ... Why you holding that sturgeon out of the water ? It must of died when you released it :dunno: ;)Just so I get this straight: this is all about a picture of a fish that was raised out of the water and then released and it should have been kept in the water and released? :dunno:Is that what BH45 says it is all about, yes. Is that what it is really about, doubtful... :twocents:
Just saying I doubt they raided your house over one picture.
Post by: Kola16 on February 08, 2013, 09:08:40 PM
Post by: h20hunter on February 08, 2013, 09:11:13 PM
Because you disagree with the handling rule do you believe that you and your boys are exempt from it?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 09:12:39 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 09:14:29 PM
Since calling me out you still havent addressed my comments. Ill make it easy and consolidate my question for you.NO I DO NOT ...But coming to my house with a warrant over a fish is alittle extreme.. all they had to do was come over and I would of saved them alot of time by LETTING THEM IN ! and NO ... You seem to be calling me out ....
Because you disagree with the handling rule do you believe that you and your boys are exempt from it?
Post by: Antlershed on February 08, 2013, 09:16:06 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 08, 2013, 09:17:57 PM
Post by: h20hunter on February 08, 2013, 09:18:18 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 08, 2013, 10:37:17 PM
No need for a report, a case number would be just as good.once I get the report you will be first to see it ;) :tup:it didn't die when I released it, it died when I shoved the fillet knife in its gills :rolleyes:What do you think it is about ? Obviously you birds think there is something else ....Nothen that I am aware of ... Why you holding that sturgeon out of the water ? It must of died when you released it :dunno: ;)Just so I get this straight: this is all about a picture of a fish that was raised out of the water and then released and it should have been kept in the water and released? :dunno:Is that what BH45 says it is all about, yes. Is that what it is really about, doubtful... :twocents:
Just saying I doubt they raided your house over one picture.
Hard to believe they handed you a warrant and didn't leave you at least a business card with the officers name and case number. What are you supposed to tell your attorney? "Gee, I opened the door, they barged in with a search warrant, looked through the house and left, no names, no case number, thats it." How is your attorney supposed to help you?
Post by: GEARHEAD on February 08, 2013, 11:08:30 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 09, 2013, 04:28:00 AM
Phool ...I do not know where you are coming from :dunno: This is funny sheet right here now ...I wake up because I can not sleep ... I had a dream about an attorney !!! I never said I needed an attorney but if I do ...guess what ? I will dang sure get one and we can run this back 7 yrs with them on my arz and still coming up with nothen .... AND THINK ABOUT THIS WOULD YA ...Remember last year when I had the taxidermy issue ? they send me a ticket in the mail for $1000.00 Thinking I was going to just pay it :bdid: No I am not going to just pay it when I done nothen wrong ! Thats when they should of came to my dang house with a warrant :dunno: Not over some damn picture of my kid and a fish ... and they did leave a business card and the paper work ... if you read my comment about me not being able to find out why the judge signed the warrant and whatever else I need to know is because they can not give it to me UNTIL THEY FILE THE REPORT ! Do I need to keep repeating myself or what ?No need for a report, a case number would be just as good.once I get the report you will be first to see it ;) :tup:it didn't die when I released it, it died when I shoved the fillet knife in its gills :rolleyes:What do you think it is about ? Obviously you birds think there is something else ....Nothen that I am aware of ... Why you holding that sturgeon out of the water ? It must of died when you released it :dunno: ;)Just so I get this straight: this is all about a picture of a fish that was raised out of the water and then released and it should have been kept in the water and released? :dunno:Is that what BH45 says it is all about, yes. Is that what it is really about, doubtful... :twocents:
Just saying I doubt they raided your house over one picture.
Hard to believe they handed you a warrant and didn't leave you at least a business card with the officers name and case number. What are you supposed to tell your attorney? "Gee, I opened the door, they barged in with a search warrant, looked through the house and left, no names, no case number, thats it." How is your attorney supposed to help you?
Post by: huntnphool on February 09, 2013, 10:17:48 AM
Its really simple BH, just ask them for a copy of the warrant, no need to wait. ;). What is the case number on your paperwork?Phool ...I do not know where you are coming from :dunno: This is funny sheet right here now ...I wake up because I can not sleep ... I had a dream about an attorney !!! I never said I needed an attorney but if I do ...guess what ? I will dang sure get one and we can run this back 7 yrs with them on my arz and still coming up with nothen .... AND THINK ABOUT THIS WOULD YA ...Remember last year when I had the taxidermy issue ? they send me a ticket in the mail for $1000.00 Thinking I was going to just pay it :bdid: No I am not going to just pay it when I done nothen wrong ! Thats when they should of came to my dang house with a warrant :dunno: Not over some damn picture of my kid and a fish ... and they did leave a business card and the paper work ... if you read my comment about me not being able to find out why the judge signed the warrant and whatever else I need to know is because they can not give it to me UNTIL THEY FILE THE REPORT ! Do I need to keep repeating myself or what ?No need for a report, a case number would be just as good.once I get the report you will be first to see it ;) :tup:it didn't die when I released it, it died when I shoved the fillet knife in its gills :rolleyes:What do you think it is about ? Obviously you birds think there is something else ....Nothen that I am aware of ... Why you holding that sturgeon out of the water ? It must of died when you released it :dunno: ;)Just so I get this straight: this is all about a picture of a fish that was raised out of the water and then released and it should have been kept in the water and released? :dunno:Is that what BH45 says it is all about, yes. Is that what it is really about, doubtful... :twocents:
Just saying I doubt they raided your house over one picture.
Hard to believe they handed you a warrant and didn't leave you at least a business card with the officers name and case number. What are you supposed to tell your attorney? "Gee, I opened the door, they barged in with a search warrant, looked through the house and left, no names, no case number, thats it." How is your attorney supposed to help you?
Post by: Alchase on February 09, 2013, 10:23:41 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 09, 2013, 10:25:06 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 09, 2013, 10:26:24 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 09, 2013, 10:27:24 AM
Post by: huntnphool on February 09, 2013, 10:27:54 AM
Something smells fishy:chuckle: Case number?
Post by: huntnphool on February 09, 2013, 10:35:36 AM
Post by: Mudman on February 09, 2013, 10:49:35 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 09, 2013, 11:32:35 AM
Somethings smells fishy. :chuckle: Wardens dont need a warrant. Weird.
Wrong
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.094 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.094)
Quote
RCW 77.15.094
Search without warrant — Seizure of evidence, property — Limitation.
Fish and wildlife officers and ex officio fish and wildlife officers may make a reasonable search without warrant of a vessel, conveyances, vehicles, containers, packages, or other receptacles for fish, seaweed, shellfish, and wildlife which they have reason to believe contain evidence of a violation of law or rules adopted pursuant to this title and seize evidence as needed for law enforcement. This authority does not extend to quarters in a boat, building, or other property used exclusively as a private domicile, does not extend to transitory residences in which a person has a reasonable expectation of privacy, and does not allow search and seizure without a warrant if the thing or place is protected from search without warrant within the meaning of Article I, section 7 of the state Constitution. Seizure of property as evidence of a crime does not preclude seizure of the property for forfeiture as authorized by law.
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 09, 2013, 11:36:29 AM
Somethings smells fishy. :chuckle: Wardens dont need a warrant. Weird.
Wrong
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.094 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.094)QuoteRCW 77.15.094
Search without warrant — Seizure of evidence, property — Limitation.
Fish and wildlife officers and ex officio fish and wildlife officers may make a reasonable search without warrant of a vessel, conveyances, vehicles, containers, packages, or other receptacles for fish, seaweed, shellfish, and wildlife which they have reason to believe contain evidence of a violation of law or rules adopted pursuant to this title and seize evidence as needed for law enforcement. This authority does not extend to quarters in a boat, building, or other property used exclusively as a private domicile, does not extend to transitory residences in which a person has a reasonable expectation of privacy, and does not allow search and seizure without a warrant if the thing or place is protected from search without warrant within the meaning of Article I, section 7 of the state Constitution. Seizure of property as evidence of a crime does not preclude seizure of the property for forfeiture as authorized by law.
I believe he was being sarcastic. Hence the chuckle head.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 09, 2013, 11:43:09 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 09, 2013, 11:44:54 AM
:yeah: The warrant plainly states this ...Seize the following property specifically described as follows : steelhead and parts thereof.Somethings smells fishy. :chuckle: Wardens dont need a warrant. Weird.
Wrong
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.094 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.094)QuoteRCW 77.15.094
Search without warrant — Seizure of evidence, property — Limitation.
Fish and wildlife officers and ex officio fish and wildlife officers may make a reasonable search without warrant of a vessel, conveyances, vehicles, containers, packages, or other receptacles for fish, seaweed, shellfish, and wildlife which they have reason to believe contain evidence of a violation of law or rules adopted pursuant to this title and seize evidence as needed for law enforcement. This authority does not extend to quarters in a boat, building, or other property used exclusively as a private domicile, does not extend to transitory residences in which a person has a reasonable expectation of privacy, and does not allow search and seizure without a warrant if the thing or place is protected from search without warrant within the meaning of Article I, section 7 of the state Constitution. Seizure of property as evidence of a crime does not preclude seizure of the property for forfeiture as authorized by law.
photos,films,videos,cameras,memory cards ,phones,computer hard drive .
fishing license and onto some other things I have no clue why ....documents showing domicile at residence,and ownership/use of vehicles,to include,butnot limited to;utility bills.phone bills ect...why they need that I have no idea ... again they did not seize any of the items mentioned ...WHY ???? BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOTHEN ...END OF STORY !
Post by: Mudman on February 09, 2013, 04:52:11 PM
I thought he was doubting the whole story of the OP's, based on the erroneous assumption that the OP's house was searched, and that the wardens had a warrentYes to both. Sorry not to clear. If this is all true like bh45 claims then this is very disturbing they do this based on a picture and no info related to when where etc. etc. What if somebody photoshopped something, or pranked? Too far they went IMOP.
Post by: _TONY_ on February 10, 2013, 08:27:48 AM
You sure that the waters that your son was fishing were even open? I've been steelhead fishing all my life, and because I read and respect the regs, I've never had an issue with the game department.
I'm sure that this is not a direct reflection of yourself through your son, but....respect is taught.
Tony
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 10, 2013, 12:02:38 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 10, 2013, 12:07:07 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 10, 2013, 12:15:31 PM
Post by: WSU on February 10, 2013, 12:21:14 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 10, 2013, 12:35:24 PM
...I have tagged every freakin animal my boys and I have killed and they still insist I am an outlaw ...they came to my house and spent 2 1/2 hours of our time visiting and I am to be happy about it ....I was finally getting over there last issue when here I am again going threw the same sheet and they came up empty handed again ! they needed to come here and clear up there minds about me but truthfully I doubt it ...There is me pulling on one end of the rope and them on the other ....as long as they pull I am pulling back ..Just the way it is ....and if I shared the whole story from the beginning we would still have the same people thinking BH45 is full of ----------- ....whatever ...No one needs to believe me and sure in the heck do not need to feel sorry for me if thats what you are thinking ....I do have a problem by getting on here all the time and maybe I need to be tossed off and then I will not need to worry about it anymore ...they want to keep taking things away from us thats fine ...You can sit on this computer and talk about laws and anything else you want to but I am tired of loosing freedom over the state of Washington and I am not going quietly ....I promise you that !!!!!! I know I almost got tossed off last time over the drama but I need to have someone to unload on !!!!!!!! Sorry but if I am not threatening anyone or mentioning names then it is all a figure of speech especially when I have not been proven wrong !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and for the record I had it out with my neighbor this morning over them blocking his driveway ,,,,real frickin sweet is not it ...we need to move because our name is tossed in sheeter over all the issues this family has been threw in the last year ,,,and no not just wardens !!!!!!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 10, 2013, 12:38:30 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 10, 2013, 12:40:33 PM
I swear you guys are def :dunno: I have the records ...It was served on a steelhead being out of the water and in my freezer obviously ...:chuckle:
Post by: _TONY_ on February 10, 2013, 12:42:00 PM
Really...
Post by: 92xj on February 10, 2013, 12:43:48 PM
You can type whatever you want to about what the warrant says or you can let these guys look it up and let everything be told.
Put up or shut up, as the saying goes.
Post by: huntnphool on February 10, 2013, 12:46:31 PM
I'm a successful hunter, killed many more deer than you, killed more birds than I can remember, caught more fish than I can think of, yet have never once had a run in with the law, never had them come check my house because I have been so successful or for any other reason.Yeah, but have you ever held a native steelhead out of the water and posted a pic of it, that seems to be the determining factor. :chuckle:
You can type whatever you want to about what the warrant says or you can let these guys look it up and let everything be told.
Put up or shut up, as the saying goes.
Post by: 92xj on February 10, 2013, 12:48:28 PM
I'm a successful hunter, killed many more deer than you, killed more birds than I can remember, caught more fish than I can think of, yet have never once had a run in with the law, never had them come check my house because I have been so successful or for any other reason.Yeah, but have you ever held a native steelhead out of the water and posted a pic of it, that seems to be the determining factor. :chuckle:
You can type whatever you want to about what the warrant says or you can let these guys look it up and let everything be told.
Put up or shut up, as the saying goes.
play stupid games win stupid prizes
And what's a steelhead again?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 10, 2013, 12:48:42 PM
yeah ...look on the fishing page where I posted one ...under I AM TRYING TO BE GOOD THIS YEAR ! pm sent !I'm a successful hunter, killed many more deer than you, killed more birds than I can remember, caught more fish than I can think of, yet have never once had a run in with the law, never had them come check my house because I have been so successful or for any other reason.Yeah, but have you ever held a native steelhead out of the water and posted a pic of it, that seems to be the determining factor. :chuckle:
You can type whatever you want to about what the warrant says or you can let these guys look it up and let everything be told.
Put up or shut up, as the saying goes.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 10, 2013, 12:50:00 PM
no worries here ...I will never fish steelhead again ....I am tired of it all ! :yeah:I'm a successful hunter, killed many more deer than you, killed more birds than I can remember, caught more fish than I can think of, yet have never once had a run in with the law, never had them come check my house because I have been so successful or for any other reason.Yeah, but have you ever held a native steelhead out of the water and posted a pic of it, that seems to be the determining factor. :chuckle:
You can type whatever you want to about what the warrant says or you can let these guys look it up and let everything be told.
Put up or shut up, as the saying goes.
play stupid games win stupid prizes
And what's a steelhead again?
Post by: WSU on February 10, 2013, 12:58:06 PM
I swear you guys are def :dunno: I have the records ...It was served on a steelhead being out of the water and in my freezer obviously ...
A few pages ago you said you couldn't get the records until the police (who remain a mystery) file a report, but you now claim you have the records while continuing to ignore requests for you disclose some info. I'm not sure I can follow your thought process here?
And, to be clear, I could care less how many critters you have killed. I understand that your are proud of your hunting and fishing prowess, but I'm not sure the rest of us on here are all that interested in comparing the size of our ....... harvest numbers?
Post by: Jack Diamond on February 10, 2013, 01:06:49 PM
Post by: KFhunter on February 10, 2013, 01:10:21 PM
IT HAS TO BE THE TOWN I LIVE IN ...YA THINK ...I need to move to the EASTSIDE :yike:
No, you stay the hell over there :chuckle:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 10, 2013, 01:26:28 PM
BH 45- curious, did you ever here of an old timer in the Woolly area , name of Homer Parks?? probably gone for 20 or so years.Yes ...everyone knows who Homer was ! One of the few good people who left this world :tup:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 10, 2013, 01:27:42 PM
So, everyone is just picking on you for no reason?No not me ...
Really...
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 10, 2013, 01:30:59 PM
ALL come on I am not that bad :chuckle:IT HAS TO BE THE TOWN I LIVE IN ...YA THINK ...I need to move to the EASTSIDE :yike:
No, you stay the hell over there :chuckle:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 10, 2013, 01:34:20 PM
I have the warrant ,,,I called to see if I could find out why a judge would sign a warrant over a picture of a kid and a fish ..they told me until the report is filed I would not know that information ....I swear you guys are def :dunno: I have the records ...It was served on a steelhead being out of the water and in my freezer obviously ...
A few pages ago you said you couldn't get the records until the police (who remain a mystery) file a report, but you now claim you have the records while continuing to ignore requests for you disclose some info. I'm not sure I can follow your thought process here?
And, to be clear, I could care less how many critters you have killed. I understand that your are proud of your hunting and fishing prowess, but I'm not sure the rest of us on here are all that interested in comparing the size of our ....... harvest numbers?
Post by: Mudman on February 10, 2013, 01:38:53 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 10, 2013, 01:44:29 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 10, 2013, 01:52:29 PM
Yeah this brings up another issue ,,,some do not like you and turn you in because you show yourself with a picture and of course some are always jealous ... I was only being funny but I am sure I was close :chuckle:....I will join the few who show pictures and cover up there face for now on ...if I ever show another picture of anything again .....I swear you guys are def :dunno: I have the records ...It was served on a steelhead being out of the water and in my freezer obviously ...
A few pages ago you said you couldn't get the records until the police (who remain a mystery) file a report, but you now claim you have the records while continuing to ignore requests for you disclose some info. I'm not sure I can follow your thought process here?
And, to be clear, I could care less how many critters you have killed. I understand that your are proud of your hunting and fishing prowess, but I'm not sure the rest of us on here are all that interested in comparing the size of our ....... harvest numbers?
Post by: Jerome on February 10, 2013, 04:16:10 PM
Post by: dscubame on February 10, 2013, 04:50:29 PM
Post by: Tbar on February 10, 2013, 04:55:36 PM
Post by: Kola16 on February 10, 2013, 07:28:20 PM
That's why I quit posting pics on here JB too many damn stool pigeons that sit in front of their computer all day annualizing every little detail. Where's your orange, is that gun loaded that's leaning on your truck, etc. Crap gets old fast, maybe if people spent more time in the woods instead of being internet police they might actually kill something. I dont think some of these guys could kill a animal in a zoo.Asking someone who posts pictures of sea ducks, if they have their sea duck permit, or if they were on the east side..............that one kills me :bash:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 10, 2013, 07:30:45 PM
That's why I quit posting pics on here JB too many damn stool pigeons that sit in front of their computer all day annualizing every little detail. Where's your orange, is that gun loaded that's leaning on your truck, etc. Crap gets old fast, maybe if people spent more time in the woods instead of being internet police they might actually kill something. I dont think some of these guys could kill a animal in a zoo.
Lmao :chuckle: :yeah: :yike:
Post by: sirmissalot on February 10, 2013, 09:55:40 PM
Hang in there BH45, these threads where everyone wants to jump on the ish talking train sure get old don't they. Lets just see some pictures of legal steelhead. I'd start but I don't have any, I can't stand fishing for those things in this miserable weather. Call me a fair weather fishermen!
Post by: TheHunt on February 11, 2013, 06:49:25 AM
1. I would have taken video and pictures.
2. Had your son post it on Facebook and any place else.
3. I would have fired up Facebook and showed him sites like Steelhead Nation, Young Steelheaders, Women steelhead fishing, Northwest Wild Country, Terry West, Joel's Jigs, etc... All pictures with natives out of the water. Go get them before you come knocking on my door again...
I would have plastered the video all over Facebook and tagged all those possers with fish out of the water on the pictures and video as well as the Washington Fish and Wildlife. With some really smart mouth statement.
I can tell you that somewhere your son made the verbal statement that he tagged that fish to one of his friends. That is why they came a knocking. They were looking for that fish...
Post by: skills on February 11, 2013, 07:06:19 AM
Post by: The100Road on February 11, 2013, 08:37:03 AM
That's why I quit posting pics on here JB too many damn stool pigeons that sit in front of their computer all day annualizing every little detail. Where's your orange, is that gun loaded that's leaning on your truck, etc. Crap gets old fast, maybe if people spent more time in the woods instead of being internet police they might actually kill something. I dont think some of these guys could kill a animal in a zoo.
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: WSU on February 11, 2013, 10:05:57 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 11, 2013, 10:09:33 AM
First time reading this thread. I do everything legal that I know of so I would have not posted any native fish out of the water...WTG....WHAT AM I GOING TO SAY ABOUT THIS POST ??? WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT A VIDEO ????? THE THING IS TEDDY HAD A VIDEO OF HIM TURNING THIS PARTICULAR FISH LOOSE ...ARE YOU TELLING ME YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS ??? Thats my point ...kids are kids ...CANT BABY SIT THEM EVERYDAY OF THE WEEK ...even if I showed them right from wrong ....The only thing wrong here is Teddy deleted that video and why I do not know ...I preach to my boys all the time about right and wrong but sometimes they slip ...its called being a teenager ....I wish people like you had the B---S to come and talk to me about issues like this ....thats what I wish ! and now some are going to say .....I knew there was MORE to this ....your right ...want to read my 20 page Novel over the last 7 yrs .....I have never gotten a ticket and I never admitted guilt ...I never once went into hidding ..I have not done sheet ! If we hunt in this state at all this year it maybe a miracle !!!!!!! add up the numbers a family of three dump into the state and the economy ....I am tired of supporting it ! :stup: :mor: I may have taken this one the wrong way ...sorry but I will leave it .
1. I would have taken video and pictures.
2. Had your son post it on Facebook and any place else.
3. I would have fired up Facebook and showed him sites like Steelhead Nation, Young Steelheaders, Women steelhead fishing, Northwest Wild Country, Terry West, Joel's Jigs, etc... All pictures with natives out of the water. Go get them before you come knocking on my door again...
I would have plastered the video all over Facebook and tagged all those possers with fish out of the water on the pictures and video as well as the Washington Fish and Wildlife. With some really smart mouth statement.
I can tell you that somewhere your son made the verbal statement that he tagged that fish to one of his friends. That is why they came a knocking. They were looking for that fish...
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 11, 2013, 10:11:51 AM
Post by: 92xj on February 11, 2013, 10:13:12 AM
Post by: WSU on February 11, 2013, 10:16:22 AM
Someone can lock this thread now ..I am done !!!! I will let you know what comes of this ... ;)
I'm done as well. You've had your chance to air the rest of the story and, presumably, have it confirm your version.
Post by: h20hunter on February 11, 2013, 10:19:34 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 11, 2013, 10:22:51 AM
Now I'm curious about this PM post request?no need to be ... someone is checking out all my BS !
Post by: h20hunter on February 11, 2013, 10:23:17 AM
Post by: Jerome on February 11, 2013, 12:04:02 PM
Someone can lock this thread now ..I am done !!!! I will let you know what comes of this ... ;)JB you know better than that. Come on now, you know you have to be a moderator to get your thread locked up around this place. And beside H20 needs something to monitor. We would hate for him to go find something to do outside, he might get wet.
Post by: h20hunter on February 11, 2013, 12:06:47 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 11, 2013, 01:40:28 PM
Someone can lock this thread now ..I am done !!!! I will let you know what comes of this ... ;)
There is no need to lock the thread. You start a subject, be prepared for the results
Post by: boneaddict on February 11, 2013, 04:21:46 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 11, 2013, 05:28:38 PM
Post by: cohoho on February 11, 2013, 06:22:44 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 11, 2013, 06:23:44 PM
I thought you were done, several posts ago? Quit posting about it then and be done, go to the other threads and say stuff like good job, great fish, etc... It will bury this thread. If your wrong well you'll be fined for the fraction, if your right then it will go away, but holy crap dude let go of the freaking drama..:chuckle: I tried to explain that to him a while ago. :dunno:
Post by: dscubame on February 11, 2013, 08:59:29 PM