Post by: TheHunt on February 09, 2013, 05:35:33 PM
This is pretty good.... If it is legal and you want to use it go for it.
Full Deer Recovery w/ Game Vector (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjaivhf3VZU#ws)
This device attaches to your arrow.
The device hooks to the deer, elk, bear, etc...
It runs for 48 hours. You pull out a device which tracks the device that is hooked to the animal you just shot. So you can find it or get to take another shot.
Do you think people will take more longer shots because they can track the animal?
Post by: lokidog on February 09, 2013, 05:48:28 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 09, 2013, 05:58:44 PM
Post by: raydog on February 10, 2013, 08:18:56 AM
Post by: 3Under on February 10, 2013, 09:03:34 AM
Post by: huntnphool on February 10, 2013, 09:12:36 AM
Post by: lokidog on February 10, 2013, 09:26:40 AM
I can see how that could be abused, someone would figure out a non lethal way to stick game with it for locating later.
Hmmmmm..... :chuckle:
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 10, 2013, 09:30:25 AM
I can see how that could be abused, someone would figure out a non lethal way to stick game with it for locating later.I hadn't even thought of that, but yeah you may be right.
Post by: Redbeard on February 10, 2013, 09:36:18 AM
People would start taking very risky shots. :bdid:
:yeah:
Post by: LivinTheDream on February 10, 2013, 09:50:05 AM
I can see how that could be abused, someone would figure out a non lethal way to stick game with it for locating later.
That was exactly my first thought. Guys would be out 48 hrs before dropping arrows in animals rumps. I think it takes away alot of the reason why we hunt :twocents: Good shot placement, closing the gap for the extra 10 yards, waiting for the animal to fall perfectly into your plan, and the art of tracking all would be effected negatively.
Post by: boneaddict on February 10, 2013, 09:56:10 AM
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Post by: boneaddict on February 10, 2013, 10:00:33 AM
Post by: huntnphool on February 10, 2013, 10:01:28 AM
Funny that I joked about such a device in the slippery slope debate with illumanocks.The difference is I believe few that support lighted nocks would support this, I wouldn't.
Post by: boneaddict on February 10, 2013, 10:05:30 AM
Post by: muzbuster on February 10, 2013, 10:29:36 AM
Post by: arees on February 10, 2013, 10:39:18 AM
I don't even know where to start. What happened to getting close enough to make a confident shot and showing restraint when high percentage shot doesn't exist? What happened to basic woodmanship? And who needs an electronic tracking device to trail wounded game IN SNOW? This is exactly why I don't support lighted nocks - devices like these will be the next line in the sand that we'll be trying to cross in an effort to make bowhunting easier. Where do we go next?
:yeah:
Post by: kisfish on February 10, 2013, 10:42:16 AM
Post by: Mudman on February 10, 2013, 10:46:19 AM
Post by: huntnphool on February 10, 2013, 10:47:40 AM
Post by: Houndhunter on February 10, 2013, 10:51:17 AM
What the guy needs to do is incorporate his device inside the arrow shaft, he could add more batteries to it for longer transmitting that way as well, from a engineering point of view. :chuckle:
Don't forget you could even use your arrow as a antenna to provide a better signal if you used aluminum shafts...
Post by: 3Under on February 10, 2013, 11:34:34 AM
Funny that I joked about such a device in the slippery slope debate with illumanocks.The difference is I believe few that support lighted nocks would support this, I wouldn't.
I find your response to this very interesting when you have so vehemently argued in multiple debates in favor of electronic nocks stating that there is no benefit to the hunter before the shot, and that they will only aid in game/arrow recovery. Wouldn't the argument for this type of tracking device be the same? Aside from your theory that these devises could be "abused" (similarly to taking low light shots with the aid of an electronic nock I would suppose...), why do you draw the line here? Care to explain?
Post by: huntnphool on February 10, 2013, 11:38:42 AM
We all have our own line, I support lighted nocks but would not support this. I would support cameras that do not give the hunter a screen but would not support a bow mounted range finder, to each his own. ;)Funny that I joked about such a device in the slippery slope debate with illumanocks.The difference is I believe few that support lighted nocks would support this, I wouldn't.
I find your response to this very interesting when you have so vehemently argued in multiple debates in favor of electronic nocks stating that there is no benefit to the hunter before the shot, and that they will only aid in game/arrow recovery. Wouldn't the argument for this type of tracking device be the same? Aside from your theory that these devises could be "abused" (similarly to taking low light shots with the aid of an electronic nock I would suppose...), why do you draw the line here? Care to explain?
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 10, 2013, 11:59:06 AM
Having thought about this some more. I don't think I would be in favor of this. Not because it's electronic or crosses a line, but tbecause I can see the potential for mis-use could be very high. And for the record 3under your comment about a lighted nock aiding a hunter in taking a low light shot is completely wrong. At no point could it help you see an animal thru your peep and sight any better than you could without it. I don't know a single archer that ligns up their shot by using the nock. In fact the nock is not even in your line of view at full draw. I agree with phool on the bow mounted range finder, and am up in the air about the camera. :twocents:We all have our own line, I support lighted nocks but would not support this. I would support cameras that do not give the hunter a screen but would not support a bow mounted range finder, to each his own. ;)Funny that I joked about such a device in the slippery slope debate with illumanocks.The difference is I believe few that support lighted nocks would support this, I wouldn't.
I find your response to this very interesting when you have so vehemently argued in multiple debates in favor of electronic nocks stating that there is no benefit to the hunter before the shot, and that they will only aid in game/arrow recovery. Wouldn't the argument for this type of tracking device be the same? Aside from your theory that these devises could be "abused" (similarly to taking low light shots with the aid of an electronic nock I would suppose...), why do you draw the line here? Care to explain?
Post by: snowpack on February 10, 2013, 12:10:59 PM
Post by: 3Under on February 10, 2013, 12:33:00 PM
We all have our own line, I support lighted nocks but would not support this. I would support cameras that do not give the hunter a screen but would not support a bow mounted range finder, to each his own. ;)Funny that I joked about such a device in the slippery slope debate with illumanocks.The difference is I believe few that support lighted nocks would support this, I wouldn't.
I find your response to this very interesting when you have so vehemently argued in multiple debates in favor of electronic nocks stating that there is no benefit to the hunter before the shot, and that they will only aid in game/arrow recovery. Wouldn't the argument for this type of tracking device be the same? Aside from your theory that these devises could be "abused" (similarly to taking low light shots with the aid of an electronic nock I would suppose...), why do you draw the line here? Care to explain?
Not sure why my comments didn't show up in this post, so I am reposting them...
Glad to hear that you don't support this, phool. Why do you believe that few in the lighted nock camp will support electronic tracking devices when the "pro"argument is so similar?
Post by: 3Under on February 10, 2013, 12:36:18 PM
Having thought about this some more. I don't think I would be in favor of this. Not because it's electronic or crosses a line, but tbecause I can see the potential for mis-use could be very high. And for the record 3under your comment about a lighted nock aiding a hunter in taking a low light shot is completely wrong. At no point could it help you see an animal thru your peep and sight any better than you could without it. I don't know a single archer that ligns up their shot by using the nock. In fact the nock is not even in your line of view at full draw. I agree with phool on the bow mounted range finder, and am up in the air about the camera. :twocents:We all have our own line, I support lighted nocks but would not support this. I would support cameras that do not give the hunter a screen but would not support a bow mounted range finder, to each his own. ;)Funny that I joked about such a device in the slippery slope debate with illumanocks.The difference is I believe few that support lighted nocks would support this, I wouldn't.
I find your response to this very interesting when you have so vehemently argued in multiple debates in favor of electronic nocks stating that there is no benefit to the hunter before the shot, and that they will only aid in game/arrow recovery. Wouldn't the argument for this type of tracking device be the same? Aside from your theory that these devises could be "abused" (similarly to taking low light shots with the aid of an electronic nock I would suppose...), why do you draw the line here? Care to explain?
Wasn't saying that it would aid in the shot itself, more saying that one might be more inclined to take a shot after legal shooting hours with such a device.
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 10, 2013, 01:05:01 PM
That's called an un-ethical shot. And those who take them will do so with or without them.Having thought about this some more. I don't think I would be in favor of this. Not because it's electronic or crosses a line, but tbecause I can see the potential for mis-use could be very high. And for the record 3under your comment about a lighted nock aiding a hunter in taking a low light shot is completely wrong. At no point could it help you see an animal thru your peep and sight any better than you could without it. I don't know a single archer that ligns up their shot by using the nock. In fact the nock is not even in your line of view at full draw. I agree with phool on the bow mounted range finder, and am up in the air about the camera. :twocents:We all have our own line, I support lighted nocks but would not support this. I would support cameras that do not give the hunter a screen but would not support a bow mounted range finder, to each his own. ;)Funny that I joked about such a device in the slippery slope debate with illumanocks.The difference is I believe few that support lighted nocks would support this, I wouldn't.
I find your response to this very interesting when you have so vehemently argued in multiple debates in favor of electronic nocks stating that there is no benefit to the hunter before the shot, and that they will only aid in game/arrow recovery. Wouldn't the argument for this type of tracking device be the same? Aside from your theory that these devises could be "abused" (similarly to taking low light shots with the aid of an electronic nock I would suppose...), why do you draw the line here? Care to explain?
Wasn't saying that it would aid in the shot itself, more saying that one might be more inclined to take a shot after legal shooting hours with such a device.
Post by: huntnphool on February 10, 2013, 01:13:31 PM
:yeah:Quote from: link=topic=118054.msg1557263#msg1557263 date=1360528578That's called an un-ethical shot. And those who take them will do so with or without them.Quote from: link=topic=118054.msg1557227#msg1557227 date=1360526346Wasn't saying that it would aid in the shot itself, more saying that one might be more inclined to take a shot after legal shooting hours with such a device.Quote from: link=topic=118054.msg1557199#msg1557199 date=1360525122Quote from: link=topic=118054.msg1557194#msg1557194 date=1360524874Quote from: link=topic=118054.msg1557093#msg1557093 date=1360519288Quote from: link=topic=118054.msg1557085#msg1557085 date=1360518970
Post by: 3Under on February 10, 2013, 01:38:39 PM
Agreed. And the same argument can be applied to those who would "abuse" electronic tracking devises. So, again, why the different stance with this device?:yeah:Quote from: link=topic=118054.msg1557263#msg1557263 date=1360528578That's called an un-ethical shot. And those who take them will do so with or without them.Quote from: link=topic=118054.msg1557227#msg1557227 date=1360526346Wasn't saying that it would aid in the shot itself, more saying that one might be more inclined to take a shot after legal shooting hours with such a device.Quote from: link=topic=118054.msg1557199#msg1557199 date=1360525122Quote from: link=topic=118054.msg1557194#msg1557194 date=1360524874Quote from: link=topic=118054.msg1557093#msg1557093 date=1360519288Quote from: link=topic=118054.msg1557085#msg1557085 date=1360518970
Post by: huntnphool on February 10, 2013, 01:43:12 PM
I answered that in post #22 ;)Agreed. And the same argument can be applied to those who would "abuse" electronic tracking devises. So, again, why the different stance with this device?:yeah:Quote from: link=topic=118054.msg1557263#msg1557263 date=1360528578That's called an un-ethical shot. And those who take them will do so with or without them.Quote from: link=topic=118054.msg1557227#msg1557227 date=1360526346Wasn't saying that it would aid in the shot itself, more saying that one might be more inclined to take a shot after legal shooting hours with such a device.Quote from: link=topic=118054.msg1557199#msg1557199 date=1360525122Quote from: link=topic=118054.msg1557194#msg1557194 date=1360524874Quote from: link=topic=118054.msg1557093#msg1557093 date=1360519288Quote from: link=topic=118054.msg1557085#msg1557085 date=1360518970
Post by: Mudman on February 10, 2013, 01:44:56 PM
What is you point here? Too argue with someone? A nock can show if you missed or hit good and help find arrows but thats it. Not the same and why is huntphool opinionof such a concern? We all have opinions. :bash:Funny that I joked about such a device in the slippery slope debate with illumanocks.The difference is I believe few that support lighted nocks would support this, I wouldn't.
I find your response to this very interesting when you have so vehemently argued in multiple debates in favor of electronic nocks stating that there is no benefit to the hunter before the shot, and that they will only aid in game/arrow recovery. Wouldn't the argument for this type of tracking device be the same? Aside from your theory that these devises could be "abused" (similarly to taking low light shots with the aid of an electronic nock I would suppose...), why do you draw the line here? Care to explain?
Post by: lokidog on February 10, 2013, 06:18:29 PM
We all have our own line, I support lighted nocks but would not support this. I would support cameras that do not give the hunter a screen but would not support a bow mounted range finder, to each his own. ;)Funny that I joked about such a device in the slippery slope debate with illumanocks.The difference is I believe few that support lighted nocks would support this, I wouldn't.
I find your response to this very interesting when you have so vehemently argued in multiple debates in favor of electronic nocks stating that there is no benefit to the hunter before the shot, and that they will only aid in game/arrow recovery. Wouldn't the argument for this type of tracking device be the same? Aside from your theory that these devises could be "abused" (similarly to taking low light shots with the aid of an electronic nock I would suppose...), why do you draw the line here? Care to explain?
X2
And :yeah: to Mudman.
Post by: Smossy on February 10, 2013, 06:26:28 PM
Neat idea. I would be afraid that because of the shape it would throw off the flight of the arrow, but more importantly affect the penetration.My thoughts exactly, It looks like it would barely allow for a passthrough. Maybe something that would fall off on impact but still. Illegal cause its electronic.
Post by: PolarBear on February 10, 2013, 06:32:21 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 10, 2013, 06:44:27 PM
No thanks! I'll stick to making damn sure of my shot and actually taking the time to wait until he is dead and then track him. Just another piece of junk to make some Bozo some short lived $$. :twocents: Looks like more of a poaching tool to me.No way man! Its for people who just want to find theyre broadheads! :bash: :bash:
Post by: boneaddict on February 11, 2013, 05:28:24 AM