Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2013, 11:16:44 AM
Chrysler Group LLC’s Ram truck division said it will begin selling a version of its Ram 1500 pickup with a diesel engine – a feature rival truck makers offer only in commercial-oriented heavy-duty models, or don’t offer at all.
The coming truck, which will arrive in the third quarter of this year as a 2014 model, will have a 3.0-liter V6 called the EcoDiesel, and an eight-speed TorqueFlite automatic transmission. Chrysler said it expects this powertrain combination to give the vehicle best-in-class fuel economy.
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 14, 2013, 11:19:21 AM
finally someone does it, hopefully this wll spur the competition to do it as well
Post by: JLS on February 14, 2013, 11:25:16 AM
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2013, 12:16:26 PM
Post by: elkoholic1 on February 14, 2013, 12:45:51 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 14, 2013, 12:57:30 PM
Post by: Caseyd on February 14, 2013, 01:06:26 PM
Wonder how this 3.0l will compare to the other Daimler 3.0...?? This will be neat... Looking forward to it.
Neat as in youll be seeing a lot of them? :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on February 14, 2013, 01:10:22 PM
This will really tempt me to buy a new truck. Problem is I can't afford it! And don't want to go into more debt.
This is going to be really hard on me. :'(
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 14, 2013, 01:11:38 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2013, 02:34:49 PM
Neat as in a half ton diesel truck.Wonder how this 3.0l will compare to the other Daimler 3.0...?? This will be neat... Looking forward to it.
Neat as in youll be seeing a lot of them? :dunno:
Neat as in it makes me wonder what else they're going to put a diesel into. I know the grand Cherokee will again.
Wrangler?
Post by: actionshooter on February 14, 2013, 02:37:54 PM
I've been looking at trucks for a couple of weeks, might have to hold off.
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2013, 02:39:46 PM
Post by: actionshooter on February 14, 2013, 02:49:30 PM
The diesel VW toureg always looked cool also, but try and buy one of those! :yike:
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 14, 2013, 03:29:42 PM
-Steve
Post by: Killmore on February 14, 2013, 07:05:19 PM
Post by: swanny on February 14, 2013, 07:46:02 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 14, 2013, 07:50:43 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2013, 07:56:59 PM
Haven't they sold similar in European countries for years?Lots of diesel powered vehicles in Europe. They haven't met US emissions standards so they haven't brought any here yet.
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2013, 08:05:01 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 14, 2013, 08:10:47 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 14, 2013, 09:58:33 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 14, 2013, 10:14:41 PM
I doubt it. Its also not a fair comparison though with all the emissions stuff we have here.
Ford is claiming up to 24 mpg with their new eco gas engine in their f150. A diesel should be able to do better I would think. :dunno:
Post by: bearpaw on February 14, 2013, 10:16:51 PM
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ford.com%2Fimages%2F10031%2F2013_F150_EcoBoost.pdf&ei=dtIdUZjlNezjigKxrYGADg&usg=AFQjCNHe0XGZQJftAoJoYNNocICnaPjqTA&sig2=DLxjxLdbTfCvaoMbSPYuLQ&bvm=bv.42553238,d.cGE (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ford.com%2Fimages%2F10031%2F2013_F150_EcoBoost.pdf&ei=dtIdUZjlNezjigKxrYGADg&usg=AFQjCNHe0XGZQJftAoJoYNNocICnaPjqTA&sig2=DLxjxLdbTfCvaoMbSPYuLQ&bvm=bv.42553238,d.cGE)
Post by: owmygulay on February 14, 2013, 10:23:44 PM
Wonder how this 3.0l will compare to the other Daimler 3.0...?? This will be neat... Looking forward to it.
It should be a lot better. Supposed to have a decent amount more torque than the old 3.0 diesels.
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2013, 05:06:43 AM
I'm sorry it's 22 mpg highway...Thing about the ecoboost from what I've heard is if you put your foot into it, the mpg's go away real quick. Not unlike anything else. I assume they'll make 22, maybe 24. They'll advertise the mpg's from the lightest 2wd truck they will put that engine in. We'll see.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ford.com%2Fimages%2F10031%2F2013_F150_EcoBoost.pdf&ei=dtIdUZjlNezjigKxrYGADg&usg=AFQjCNHe0XGZQJftAoJoYNNocICnaPjqTA&sig2=DLxjxLdbTfCvaoMbSPYuLQ&bvm=bv.42553238,d.cGE (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ford.com%2Fimages%2F10031%2F2013_F150_EcoBoost.pdf&ei=dtIdUZjlNezjigKxrYGADg&usg=AFQjCNHe0XGZQJftAoJoYNNocICnaPjqTA&sig2=DLxjxLdbTfCvaoMbSPYuLQ&bvm=bv.42553238,d.cGE)
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 15, 2013, 07:55:21 AM
Post by: Elkrunner on February 15, 2013, 08:27:19 AM
This is bad news!
This will really tempt me to buy a new truck. Problem is I can't afford it! And don't want to go into more debt.
This is going to be really hard on me. :'(
Rigth there with ya bobcat!
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2013, 08:35:05 AM
my 7.3 truck gets 21. they better get 30 in a little half ton or theyre wasting theyre timeEver since DPF and all the other emissions crap, diesels don't get that mileage anymore. Supposed to better with the big dodges in the '13's now too.
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 15, 2013, 09:10:42 AM
Ever since DPF and all the other emissions crap, diesels don't get that mileage anymore. Supposed to better with the big dodges in the '13's now too.agreed but my urea trucks are getting good mpg
Post by: uplandhunter870 on February 15, 2013, 09:39:10 AM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 15, 2013, 09:50:38 AM
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2013, 10:13:39 AM
'13 Dodge went to urea. First year for us.Ever since DPF and all the other emissions crap, diesels don't get that mileage anymore. Supposed to better with the big dodges in the '13's now too.agreed but my urea trucks are getting good mpg
Post by: bearpaw on February 15, 2013, 10:21:26 AM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 15, 2013, 10:23:12 AM
what is urea :dunno:
Just ask one of the passengers on that Cruise Ship! :chuckle:
Post by: Curly on February 15, 2013, 10:24:36 AM
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 15, 2013, 10:25:41 AM
what is urea :dunno:i possibly spelled it wrong. urea as in pee. its the main ingredient in DEF(diesel exhaust fluid). used as an exhaust aftertreatment. its injected into the exhaust at a very high temp to lower emissions. the trucks running DEF in CA are claimed to exhaust cleaner air than is taken in.
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2013, 10:35:38 AM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 15, 2013, 10:36:21 AM
Every few years there are rumors about 1/2 ton diesels. Toyota talked about bringing a diesel powered Tundra to the U.S. several years ago, Chevy had talked about it, and many others over the years. I will see it as just a rumor until the trucks are actually driving on the roads. :twocents:
When the Ford Ranger pickups came out back in the early 80s, they were offered with a diesel engine. It's really nothing new... :dunno:
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2013, 10:36:30 AM
That's a copy/paste. I'm not nearly that smart.
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 15, 2013, 10:38:05 AM
gald to see someone finally doing this, now all they need to do if they actually go through with this is offer it in a manual tranny. ram 1500 diesel with a stick, id be down for thatcould care less about about a MT if they were offering the 8sp auto
Post by: bobcat on February 15, 2013, 10:58:19 AM
p.s.
That's a copy/paste. I'm not nearly that smart.
I was just about to ask about that!
Reading it made my head spin. ???
Post by: bearpaw on February 15, 2013, 11:16:06 AM
p.s.
That's a copy/paste. I'm not nearly that smart.
thanks for taking time to find that... :tup:
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2013, 12:05:25 PM
It basically creates a zero emissions diesel. No smoke, no smell, no nothing.
Post by: washelkhunter on February 15, 2013, 12:20:03 PM
Post by: Rick on February 15, 2013, 12:28:04 PM
what is urea :dunno:i possibly spelled it wrong. urea as in pee. its the main ingredient in DEF(diesel exhaust fluid). used as an exhaust aftertreatment. its injected into the exhaust at a very high temp to lower emissions. the trucks running DEF in CA are claimed to exhaust cleaner air than is taken in.
Technically the main ingredient in DEF is water at 67%. Urea is 33%
Post by: Rick on February 15, 2013, 12:29:12 PM
Thats is,if it actually makes it to market.
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 15, 2013, 12:29:35 PM
Technically the main ingredient in DEF is water at 67%. Urea is 33%*effective ingredient
Post by: Special T on February 15, 2013, 12:39:44 PM
To may understanding there are 2 limiting factors for half ton diesels and in smaller rigs... Emmisions and the ability to import them. There have ALWAYS been lots of great engines in Europe and else where sold by the big 3, however because of union contracts they wen't allowed to become parts for cars built here because they weren't made here buy union workers. :twocents:
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2013, 01:03:11 PM
My money is on this being a flop for Dodge.
Thats is,if it actually makes it to market.
I betcha they only offer it in the full load truck with air conditioned seats and heated steering wheels.
The engine is a Fiat-design(deep breaths now). It's a turbo'd v6. It is coming to market, no if's, 3rd quarter of 2013 as a 2014 model. No published fuel economy yet.
Post by: Special T on February 15, 2013, 01:20:35 PM
I know the motor in the sprinter is bullet proof, and is even in thier supply chain...
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2013, 02:03:27 PM
And no, I'm not at all excited about anything fiat. I do Fiat service too. Ugg. That's a whole other topic.
Post by: bearpaw on February 15, 2013, 02:22:22 PM
Post by: Rick on February 15, 2013, 02:35:27 PM
I sure hope it is successful and that it spawns a new market that I think exists but nobody has tapped into yet. :twocents:
I hope its successful as well. I just don't see it happening.
Post by: Special T on February 15, 2013, 03:55:20 PM
Bulletproof as long as you don't mind doing glow plugs that are seized in heads and egr valves all the time. We've done a few head gaskets in the 2.7 sprinter. The 3.0 is not bad but its not the same 3.0 as what's going in the truck.
And no, I'm not at all excited about anything fiat. I do Fiat service too. Ugg. That's a whole other topic.
So they aren't as great as i think? Guess my folks got a good one then... funny thing about thier MH is it gets better milage than thier Durango by a long shot!
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2013, 04:02:53 PM
Post by: Special T on February 15, 2013, 04:26:45 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 15, 2013, 04:48:24 PM
I will inform the folks when that happens to find a "certified dealer" Is the dealership in Bellinham a Sprinter Cert dealer?Wilson Motors in B-ham is a Sprinter dealer and certified dealer repair shop.
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2013, 06:02:32 PM
They're a different animal.
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on February 15, 2013, 06:32:08 PM
My money is on this being a flop for Dodge.
Thats is,if it actually makes it to market.
I betcha they only offer it in the full load truck with air conditioned seats and heated steering wheels.
The engine is a Fiat-design(deep breaths now). It's a turbo'd v6. It is coming to market, no if's, 3rd quarter of 2013 as a 2014 model. No published fuel economy yet.
Not surprising that it would be a Fiat engine. Obama gave Chrysler Corp. to Fiat....
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2013, 06:33:16 PM
Post by: owmygulay on February 15, 2013, 09:47:44 PM
All of the new stuff is Fiat designed.
Yep. Just about all of it. I read today that the vm 3.0 that is going in the 2014 Grand will be getting 30mpg highway. The ram should be close to that.
Post by: aaronoto on February 16, 2013, 05:03:46 PM
Post by: yorketransport on February 18, 2013, 04:18:51 PM
They're great until they break though. I'll see those suckers with the engine pulled out and the joke is that they're just doing an oil change. :chuckle:
Andrew
Post by: jackelope on February 18, 2013, 04:33:19 PM
I used to take care of one of those FedEx contractor's sprinters.
Post by: yorketransport on February 18, 2013, 05:50:34 PM
Andrew
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 18, 2013, 07:36:56 PM
Diesel engines run at overstoichiometric air-to-fuel ratio to ensure the combustion of soot and prevent unburnt fuel from being emitted. The excess of oxygen necessarily leads to generation of nitrogen oxides (NOx), which are harmful pollutants, from the nitrogen in the air. Selective catalytic reduction is used to reduce the amount of NOx released into the air using DEF. Diesel exhaust fluid (from the DEF tank located in large trucks) is injected into the exhaust as it moves through the engine where it vaporizes and decomposes to form ammonia and carbon dioxide. With the SCR catalyst, the NOx are catalytically reduced by the ammonia (NH3) into water (H2O) and nitrogen (N2), which are both harmless and are released through the exhaust.[4]
p.s.
That's a copy/paste. I'm not nearly that smart.
thanks for taking time to find that... :tup:
Here's a really good explanation of the stoichiometric combustion principal.
http://www.mae.ncsu.edu/eckerlin/courses/mae406/chapter3.pdf (http://www.mae.ncsu.edu/eckerlin/courses/mae406/chapter3.pdf)
I studied this as an Incinerator operator years ago. There is never a complete burn of everything, but we're learning to be more fuel efficient while emitting less unburned dioxins to the atmosphere. It always troubled me as to why the EPA required CAT's to be installed in consumer diesel exhaust systems, when most of us are increasing pipe diameter to get better cooling, so in effect, the cat never gets warm enough to do it's job, Yet, they don't (or didn't -they may now for all I know), require them on commercial rigs! The urea injection is just a stop gap until we learn more about how to clean things up a bit better. I understand that the propane injection, (to cool fuel mixtures and build even more power), burns even cleaner than a post treatment urea engine. If I'm going to pay to add a post combustion 'additive', I'd like to make more power or increase fuel economy. Not just reduce emissions.
-Steve
Post by: toothfangclaw on February 18, 2013, 08:07:03 PM
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Post by: jackelope on February 18, 2013, 08:17:37 PM
Post by: Rick on February 18, 2013, 09:15:40 PM
The def fluid from what I understand only lasts about a tank full. Just another thing to add to the high cost of diesel! Another $6+/- per tank. No thanks.
Not even close. My Duramax uses about a half gallon of DEF per tank of fuel. Thats about 10 tanks of fuel for every tank of DEF.
DEF generally adds between 2/10ths and 4/10ths of a penny per mile to the cost of operating the truck.
Post by: Special T on February 18, 2013, 09:44:58 PM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on February 18, 2013, 10:10:24 PM
At home i drive an 08 mega cab with the 6.7 cummins, with the DPF delete and a 4 inch straight pipe exhaust, best mileage i ever saw was 23.5 from salt lake to boise, routinely get 22 unloaded on the highway.
I see the new half tons as a fad. What is the use of a half ton over the 3/4? The only thing that changes is the rearend and an inferior motor.
Sounds like a waste of time to me, anybody that will buy a half ton over a 3/4 doesn't really need it.
Post by: Special T on February 19, 2013, 07:58:13 AM
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 19, 2013, 08:01:25 AM
Post by: toothfangclaw on February 19, 2013, 09:30:08 AM
:tup: thanks!The def fluid from what I understand only lasts about a tank full. Just another thing to add to the high cost of diesel! Another $6+/- per tank. No thanks.
Not even close. My Duramax uses about a half gallon of DEF per tank of fuel. Thats about 10 tanks of fuel for every tank of DEF.
DEF generally adds between 2/10ths and 4/10ths of a penny per mile to the cost of operating the truck.
Post by: eastsidemallard74 on February 19, 2013, 09:33:50 AM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 19, 2013, 12:20:07 PM
Do we know if the Dodge 1/2 ton (3.0L?) diesel offering will use the DEF?
Has anyone just pee'd in their DEF tank? :chuckle: "The raw materials used to produce DEF include natural gas, coal or other petroleum products. DEF is prepared by dissolving solid high purity urea in deionized water to create a 32.5% solution in water." (quoted from CumminsFiltration.com)
So... is the carbon footprint from creating this 'chemical' cleaner than just emitting the (N0x) into the atmosphere? My son just wrote a research paper on Hybrid cars, and since most of them require a special manufacturing process different than to manufacture conventional cars, they take more electricity to produce. Much of the world's electricity is coal generated. So, the carbon footprint of a Hybrid car is actually more than a comparable gas powered economy car. Then when you calculate the disposal of the battery contents that take longer to break down and are not recycleable; the Hybrid actually makes less sense. Does spraying Urea into our spent gas/fuel streams really make sense?
-Steve
Post by: Special T on February 19, 2013, 08:58:17 PM
Post by: mainer78 on February 22, 2013, 10:14:47 AM
Cummins Diesel Nissan Titan - Likely to be the first 1/2 ton diesel to make it into the market. Project scheduled to be completed by 2014. The Cummins powered Nissan Titan appears to be a sure thing. The 2.8L 4 cylinder Cummins, despite the displacement handicap, appears to be a performer. We just can't help but wonder why in the world Cummins would team up with Nissan.
Post by: jackelope on February 22, 2013, 10:19:59 AM
I'm not going to lie. Those Titans are nice trucks and the Cummins engine is a bonus. I think Cummins and Chrysler are at odds because Chrysler still owes them money from the bankruptcy-bailout etc. maybe that's got something to do with it. I don't know all the details.
Post by: SGTDuffman on February 22, 2013, 10:21:16 AM
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 22, 2013, 10:46:22 AM
I'm still waiting on Toyota to put a diesel in the 4 door Tacoma. The freakin HiLux has been the go to truck in every country but this one for the last 30 years. Whats up Toyota? It's good enough for african warlords but not good enough for 'Merica.id buy one in a heartbeat. might even consider selling the PSD if thats what it took
Post by: Special T on February 23, 2013, 08:11:03 PM
And these guys do older 4 cylinder cummings swaps. also in bend. http://www.eco-offroad.com/home/ (http://www.eco-offroad.com/home/)
One of the negatives i have heard about the cummins in smaller lighter rigs is the fact that they weigh so damn much.
There is also a company in Chilliwack BC that specializes in diesel conversions for Land Cruizers.