Post by: coachcw on February 15, 2013, 06:20:59 AM
Post by: coachcw on February 15, 2013, 06:23:14 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on February 15, 2013, 06:32:56 AM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on February 15, 2013, 06:39:05 AM
Other then that, this is a great topic. I've been building my pack setup this off season in preparation for a 7/8 day pack in hunt this year for the high hunt, followed by a 5 day pack in for deer. Once I wake up, I'll get a list together of my pack items. But there is nothing that I take that's mind blowing.
Post by: coachcw on February 15, 2013, 06:39:19 AM
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Post by: raydog on February 15, 2013, 06:54:45 AM
Post by: coachcw on February 15, 2013, 06:56:23 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on February 15, 2013, 06:59:25 AM
Post by: Kioti on February 15, 2013, 07:57:49 AM
Is a flask of scotch, whiskey, brandy, or whatever bears your libation... :chuckle:
And...the larger the flask, the better... :tup:
Post by: RifleRidge on February 15, 2013, 07:59:41 AM
Post by: coachcw on February 15, 2013, 08:31:34 AM
Post by: brocka on February 15, 2013, 08:37:36 AM
I'm going to be testing out the squished toasted bagel, peanut butter, bacon, honey lunch this year.
Post by: brocka on February 15, 2013, 08:39:01 AM
Wish i had a really light weight pair of sandals nice to take you boots off at the end of the day and great for crossing creeks with.
Crocs are good. There are lighter options but they get expensive.
Post by: brocka on February 15, 2013, 08:42:39 AM
Post by: ing on February 15, 2013, 08:47:39 AM
Post by: suga on February 15, 2013, 09:27:06 AM
For me. Baby wipes are a must.= - unscented
Post by: mtman on February 15, 2013, 11:12:30 AM
Post by: CAM38 on February 15, 2013, 11:35:34 AM
Wish i had a really light weight pair of sandals nice to take you boots off at the end of the day and great for crossing creeks with.
Crocs are good. There are lighter options but they get expensive.
Get a pair of camo wal-mart brand crocs, way lighter, weigh only a few ounces for the pair, and they're like $5.00 so if they get destroyed or lost, no biggie.
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2013, 11:59:47 AM
Post by: deerslyr on February 15, 2013, 12:09:39 PM
Wish i had a really light weight pair of sandals nice to take you boots off at the end of the day and great for crossing creeks with.
I typically bring moccasins. Incredibly useful during archery when everything is dry, I wear them around all day until I get to the trail. Really quiet and light. Cant imagine trying to sneak through the timber with boots, everything is way too loud. I never regret packing the little added weight.
Post by: deerslyr on February 15, 2013, 12:12:11 PM
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 15, 2013, 12:13:25 PM
Be careful with the crocs. Crappy traction and really bad support when wet if you decide to walk anywhere in them. It can lead to bad wipeouts in what may be a less than ideal location for a wipeout. I have them and have used them but will probably switch to a minimalist type running shoe for camp next time. Something that my foot will not slip or slide out of if/when wet.NB minimus is what i run and i plan to bring them this year, lighter than crocs too, keep pebbles ot better when crossing creek
Post by: coachcw on February 15, 2013, 12:16:03 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 15, 2013, 12:18:36 PM
Be careful with the crocs. Crappy traction and really bad support when wet if you decide to walk anywhere in them. It can lead to bad wipeouts in what may be a less than ideal location for a wipeout. I have them and have used them but will probably switch to a minimalist type running shoe for camp next time. Something that my foot will not slip or slide out of if/when wet.NB minimus is what i run and i plan to bring them this year, lighter than crocs too, keep pebbles ot better when crossing creek
Are you running in them too?
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 15, 2013, 12:19:12 PM
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 15, 2013, 12:20:01 PM
Post by: stringer on February 16, 2013, 08:55:59 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 16, 2013, 09:05:01 PM
Be careful with the crocs. Crappy traction and really bad support when wet if you decide to walk anywhere in them. It can lead to bad wipeouts in what may be a less than ideal location for a wipeout. I have them and have used them but will probably switch to a minimalist type running shoe for camp next time. Something that my foot will not slip or slide out of if/when wet.Hey I found something we agree on, I've almost fell on my butt many, many times with my crocs at home. Especially with a wet garage floor, any concrete that has a smooth finish and is wet- very bad with crocs. It's unreal how slippery they can be.
Post by: sneakyjake on February 16, 2013, 09:44:09 PM
Post by: buck man on February 16, 2013, 10:28:16 PM
I love the luxuries......don't get me wrong, but if you can't build the most basic thing for survival (fire) then all of those luxuries are for not. You can buy fancy fire starters, waterproof mat he's lighters etc, but the only thing that. Works 100% of the time, even when wet is Vaseline soaked cotton balls.
Ok I'm off my soap box. Just remember the scout motto "Be Prepared" and if being comfortable fits in there somewhere that's great too! :twocents:
Post by: Mudman on February 16, 2013, 10:53:33 PM
Post by: Dansk on February 16, 2013, 11:03:28 PM
Wish i had a really light weight pair of sandals nice to take you boots off at the end of the day and great for crossing creeks with.
crocs- lighter than air and comfy...
Post by: Sliverslinger on February 16, 2013, 11:23:49 PM
Starbucks vias coffee. I dont necessarily rely on coffee in the morning but it gives me something to do to get going in the morning after sleeping in a pup tent on the mnt.
I live on Starbucks Vias! Every morning we drag ourselves out of the bags and hike to the point, listening for a bull to sound off while we make a cup. Every midmorning after we chase the elk we make another (#2). They go good with lunch to (#3). Early afternoon you have choice - waste an hour or two with or nap or have cup #4 and get after it. After it's elk down and a long night of packing it out awaits - might as well enjoy cup #5. I go through those things pretty quickly.
Post by: snowpack on February 16, 2013, 11:46:04 PM
Post by: coachcw on February 17, 2013, 01:44:29 PM
Post by: pope on February 18, 2013, 08:35:39 AM
Post by: Dansk on February 18, 2013, 11:15:57 AM
Eberlestock Dragonfly 8.5#
Sleep Gear 8.5#
TNF Tadpole tent 4#
TNF Snow-shoe bag 3.5#
Thermarest ultralight ¾ 1#
Gear 9.5#
Eberle duffle attach
Xtra pr sock/shirt/underwear/scullcap
Crocs
Water bladder
Water filter bottle
Meat compartment
License & Tags
Electrical Tape
Zip Ties
Latex Gloves
Field Dr. Knife
75# Chord
Tarp/Drop Cloth
Kifaru Meat Bag
Top Pack/Ditch Bag
5 hr energy
Headlamp
2 way Radio
GPS
Xtra Ammo/Pouch
TP
Baby Wipes
Chapstick
Gloves
Wind Checker
Firestarter/Matches
Map
Camera
Cook Kit
Ti Cup
Pot top
Spork
Mini Stove
Alcohol
Lighter
Windscreen
Survival Kit
Fam Photo
Alieve
Zyrtec
Bandages
Flagging
Compass
Iodine Tablets
Magnes. Fire Startr
Matches
P. Jelly/cttn firestrtr
Whistle
1st Aid Kit
Mirror
Micro Mag flashlt extra bulb
extra Batteries
Emerg. Blanket
Light Sticks (2)
100’ Dacron
Needles & Floss
Multi Tool
Knife
Pen & Post it notes
Safety pins
TP
32 oz H20 2#
Food
B-fast
Cliff/pwr bars
Lunch/snax
Crushed bagels
Jiff pb cups
Tuna pouches
Ramen
Cliff gel blox
Jerky
Trail mix
Gatoraide pwd
Dinners
Mtn house
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 18, 2013, 11:24:52 AM
I'm somewhat OCD when it comes to pack lists... always afraid ill forget 'that ONE important thing'. Below is my list that ive compiled over the years after trial and error and stealing from other people's lists:a in depth list for sure but man, i dont think id want to weigh it
Post by: jackelope on February 18, 2013, 02:48:00 PM
I'm somewhat OCD when it comes to pack lists... always afraid ill forget 'that ONE important thing'. Below is my list that ive compiled over the years after trial and error and stealing from other people's lists:
Eberlestock Pack
No tent or sleeping arrangements. Is this your day pack?
Post by: coachcw on February 18, 2013, 04:25:22 PM
Post by: Mudman on February 18, 2013, 04:31:20 PM
Post by: Dansk on February 18, 2013, 10:46:34 PM
I'm somewhat OCD when it comes to pack lists... always afraid ill forget 'that ONE important thing'. Below is my list that ive compiled over the years after trial and error and stealing from other people's lists:
Eberlestock Pack
No tent or sleeping arrangements. Is this your day pack?
woops.. uh yeah.. sorry guys, copied wrong list. That WAS my day pack (ugh...too many lists...) Fixed my original post. It's down from a 3 goat to 2 goat load... :chuckle:
Post by: Mudman on February 18, 2013, 10:49:21 PM
Post by: Dansk on February 18, 2013, 11:38:26 PM
Your nuts dude! :chuckle: Pictures! I wanna see this pack loaded up and its weight!! Are your legs bigger than your waist? :dunno: :chuckle:
I'm just puting it out there to pay back the input at ideas i've collected from others.
Sounds like you've got a much better back country system and much lighter pack list - i'd like to hear what's in it. Would you mind sharing?
Post by: kentrek on February 18, 2013, 11:48:16 PM
Post by: deerslyr on February 18, 2013, 11:57:30 PM
I would cut that chord in half, only carry either the gps or the radio; not both, the tarp unless its uber light, and a bunch of un-needed stuff in your survival kit as you already have most of it in other sections of your pack. I also dont eat nearly as much as you when in the back country, but I get that a lot so unless your packing a bunch of food out leave it as is.
Post by: deerslyr on February 19, 2013, 12:05:06 AM
Back Pack cabelas pack frame
Bow Mission Maniac
Pack Cover Plastic Bag
Sleeping System
Tent Terra Nova Zephorous 2
Bag Eureka Casper 15*
Pad Big agnes insulated core
Liner Home Made Fleece
Cooking System
Stove MSR Pocket Rocket
Fuel MSR
Cooking Pot Heinekeg (home made)
Spork Plastic
Water Bladder Platypus
Purifier Potable Aqua
Meat Processing
Knife Scalpel
Game Bags Alaskan (4)
Citric Acid
Rope 550 cord
Clothing
Underwear Boxers (1)
Socks Wool (1)
Shirt Camo (1)
Pants APX L3
Jacket APX L3
Rain Gear Frogg Toggs
Boots Danner Pronghorns
Beanie
Gloves
Misc.
Calls Multiple
Bugling Tube
Wind Detector H.S.
T.P. Coleman
Head Lamp Aurora
Extra Batteries AAA
Extra Release Cobra
Bug Spray 98% Deet
Note Pad
GPS Bushnell Back Track
Optics
Binos Zen Ray ED3
Spotting Scope/tripod Minox MD50
Range Finder Leupold
Food- 1 Mnt House per day, 1 PBB per day, 3 granola bars per day
Thats my list. Its the best backpacking setup I could come up with on a budget and have been able to do quite a bit with it.
Post by: ICEMAN on February 19, 2013, 04:45:11 AM
Post by: coachcw on February 19, 2013, 07:56:14 AM
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 19, 2013, 08:03:37 AM
good to have a spare flashlight for your spare flashlight . I like one led headlamp with a back up handheldi used to think the same way, but my pack was also like 60lbs. just gotta make the cuts and dont look back
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 19, 2013, 08:35:02 AM
this years weight is about the same as last year even though ive upgraded some items, mostly because im packing 7.5lbs of optics and camera. id like to eventually get a smaller camera.
its a copy and paste so it doesnt line up great, sorry.
Item Weight (oz)
map 1.4
kifaru longhunter 128
feathered friends swallow 34
Q core SL 17
shangri la 5 28
tigoat bivy 7
camelback 108
gatorade bottle 3
kuiu spindrift 13.92
precip shell 13.12
precip pants 13.76
HH dry longjohns 18
OR stocking hat 0.96
kuiu gaiters 11.2
kuiu 230 zip 11
gloves 1.6
spare socks liner/midwt. 4.6
lens pen 0.7
brunton icon 80mm 74
vortex summit tripod 28
leupold rx1000 7.36
canon g10 18.08
meat kit 10.56
havalon +blades 2.9
coast H7 4.32
GSI pot/fuel 15.25
kovea camp 5/spork 8.35
emerg kit 11.5
toiletries 10
sawyer inline 3
food per day 168
garmin 60csx/nimrod pouch 9.44
ammo 4.65
tikka T3SL 300WM 110
total 849.27
total 53.079375
note* charge camera
binos
tags
clothes worn in:
sitka ascent shorts
"short" kuiu 185 zip
smartwool liner socks
smartwool midweight socks
billed hat
hanwag alaskans
binos in FHF harness
meat kit contains
2) game bags
contractor bag
latex gloves
toiletries contains
contac wash
spare contacs
asprin
advil pm
baby wipes
purell
tp
gold bond
glide
food
MH
fruit leather
cashews
jerky
nut mix
pb&cheese crackers
ener gu
kind bar
lara bar
pb&bacon bagel
almonds
shot blocks
stove top
builders bar
idahoan potatoes
Post by: slim9300 on February 19, 2013, 09:26:05 AM
Quote from: slim9300;1066339943
It's been a long time since I updated my list. I figured I would post it up for anyone that could use it.
I have some fine tuning to go in terms of food and snacks before hunting season but this is everything that is on my body minus my boots, the clothes on my back and my bow for a 10 day hunt. I normally carry in about 60 ounces of water when I know where I am going. Also, I give my partner my bivy and air pillow to carry since we share the MegaTarp. That's another 11 ounce savings that I don't account for.
Backpacking Items in Ounces
Kifaru Timberline w/ aluminum stays, belt pocket & standard lid - 97.0
Camelbak 100 Oz. hydration reservoir - 9.3
MSR Dromedary Bag (10 liter) - 4.7
Kifaru MegaTarp w/ MSR reflective guy lines & MSR stakes (14) - 33.3
TiGoat Raven Omni Bivy w/ bug mesh - 8.6
Marmot Helium sleeping bag w/ 10L Uberlight DrySack (15* / long) - 37
Sea to Summit silk / cotton bag liner - 6.0
Exped UL Air Pillow (Large) - 2.18
Exped SynMat UL 7 w/ patch kit (Medium w/ seam sealer lines) - 17.9
JetBoil SOL w/ 110g fuel canister & base support - 20.3
Long Titanium Spoon- 1.78
iPhone 5 w/ case - 4.48
Caribou Gear “The Carnivore Meat Bags” - 11.7
SPOT Tracking Device w/ lithium batteries- 7.38
Garmin Rino 530hcx w/ lithium pack & extra lithium battery pack - 14.54
Silva Compass - 2.74
Pentax WG-1 digital camera & mini flex tripod - 7.42
Nikon Monarch 10x42 Binos w/ Sitka Bino Bivy - 31.8
Nikon 880 Rangefinder - 8.7
Eye glasses & hard case - 4.88
Kuiu light-weight Merino wool crew, bottoms & gator (Large) - 14.1
Kuiu mid-weight Merino wool 1/4 zip shirts (X-Large) - 12.2
Kuiu SuperDown w/ hood (XL) - 11
Kuiu Chugach Rain Jacket and Pants (Large) - 31.8
SmartWool Hiker socks (2 pairs), UA beany & thin gloves - 10.0
Granite Gear 18L Uberlight DrySacks (4) - 2.96
Sawvivor 15" saw w/ bone and wood blades - 9.51
Gerber Gator knife & Havalon Piranta knife w/ 4 extra blade - 8.23
Allen wrenches (bow specific) - 1.22
Zebralight H600w XM-L w/ 16850 battery - 3.76
Large zipties ( 8 ) - 0.45
Mountain House dehydrated meals (10 @ 5.14 oz. average) - 51.4
Ritz SC&O Toasted Chips - 8.6
Instant Oatmeal packets (18 @ 1.72 oz.) - 30.96
PB/B/N Bagel Sandwiches ( 8 ) - 36.16
Snacks - Fruit Leather (16), PB crackers ( 8 ), trail mix (2 oz.), candy - 33.12
Slick Trick 100 grain Standard Broadheads (3) - 1.27
Crystal Light Packets ( 8 ) - 1.5
Dyneema IronWire cord (50' of orange) - 1.27
1-mil garbage bag (1) - 1.76
Cow calls, reeds & tube - 7.75
Camo face paint - 1.9
Flagging (20') - 0.3
Large Scent-A-Way field wipes (12) - 9.81
Optics lens cloth - 0.27
Small roll duct tape - 0.75
Toilet paper (ie. paper towels) - 2.5
First aid Kit (blister medic, superglue, pills, lighter, wet tinder, etc.) - 8.0
Scent-free deotorant- 3.0
Toothbrush & toothpaste - 1.5
Pristine Water Treatment Drops- 1.8
1/2 roll of folded paper towel (for drying boots) - 3.5
Wind checker - 1.01
Extra Lithium batteries (AA - 4 & 16850 battery w/ case) - 4.4
New Balance Minimus Trail Shoes - 10.0
Black Diamond Carbon Z-Lite Trekking Poles - 10.5
Total: 41.81 lbs.
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1938544 (http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1938544)
Here you go. I cut and pasted this from the above thread.
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Post by: washelkhunter on February 19, 2013, 09:39:08 AM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 19, 2013, 09:47:29 AM
this is the list im currently working with.
this years weight is about the same as last year even though ive upgraded some items, mostly because im packing 7.5lbs of optics and camera. id like to eventually get a smaller camera.
its a copy and paste so it doesnt line up great, sorry.
Item pack weight
map 1.4
pack 128
sleepbag 34
sleeppad 15
shangri la 28
ground sheet/bivy 7
camelback 108
water bottle 3
spindrift 13.92
raincoat 13.12
rainpants 13.76
long johns 18
stocking hat 0.96
gaiters 11.2
230 zip 11
gloves 1.6
spare socks 4.6
lens pen 0.7
scope 74
tripod 28
rangefinder 7.36
camera/case 18.08
meat kit 10.56
knife w/blades 2.9
headlamp 4.32
mess kit/fuel 15.25
stove/spork 8.35
emerg kit 11.5
toiletries 10
filter 3
food per day 168
gps/pouch 9.44
ammo 4.65
rifle 110
total oz 897.27
total pounds 56.079375
note* charge camera
binos
tags
clothes and sacks
clothes worn in
ascent shorts
"short" 185 zip 10.0
liner socks 1.6
midweight socks 3.0
billed hat
stuff sack black
gloves 1.6
stocking hat .96
gaiters 11.2
bandana 1.12
230 zip 11
dry sack
sleeping bag
liner socks
midwt socks
lj bottom
boxers
meat kit 10.56
2) game bags
contractor bag
latex gloves
These weights are in ounces? Your pack weighs 8 pounds empty? Your water filter/purification weighs 3oz? But you carry a gallon of water? 10 pounds of food for every day? No mechanical compass? What's your 'meat kit'? No binoculars? You carry a range finder, but what are the realistic shooting distances for your hunt?
Room for improvement....
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 19, 2013, 09:55:18 AM
let me clarify some things, my compass is in my emergency kit, 10lbs of food is for a 7day hunt. i run a kifaru long hunter with xtl lid. before this season i might end up with a bikini frame and that would shave about 2.5lbs right there. meat kit contents are listed at the bottom. sawyer inline water filter with potable aqua tabs also in my emerg kit. my effective shooting range is 450yds.
These weights are in ounces? Your pack weighs 8 pounds empty? Your water filter/purification weighs 3oz? But you carry a gallon of water? 10 pounds of food for every day? No mechanical compass? What's your 'meat kit'? No binoculars? You carry a range finder, but what are the realistic shooting distances for your hunt?
Room for improvement....
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 19, 2013, 09:58:21 AM
-Steve
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 19, 2013, 10:00:40 AM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 19, 2013, 10:05:13 AM
let me clarify some things, my compass is in my emergency kit, 10lbs of food is for a 7day hunt. i run a kifaru long hunter with xtl lid. before this season i might end up with a bikini frame and that would shave about 2.5lbs right there. meat kit contents are listed at the bottom. sawyer inline water filter with potable aqua tabs also in my emerg kit. my effective shooting range is 450yds.
These weights are in ounces? Your pack weighs 8 pounds empty? Your water filter/purification weighs 3oz? But you carry a gallon of water? 10 pounds of food for every day? No mechanical compass? What's your 'meat kit'? No binoculars? You carry a range finder, but what are the realistic shooting distances for your hunt?
Room for improvement....
I think you could be due for a lighter quality pack and ditch that much water. This could save you at least six pounds.
-Steve
Post by: Arnbo on February 19, 2013, 10:08:08 AM
Better to have it and not need then,To need it and not have it.
I did have m IPad and was inside my my tent watching a episode of Seinfield
At about 4500 feet and on the side of a Rocky slope.And my friends told me I was getting soft in my old age! Hey That night I was master of my Domain!
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 19, 2013, 10:09:41 AM
What about for situations you cannot anticipate, like injuries etc? My medic kit is probably the heaviest thing I have on me that barely gets any use. Some say Im alittle overprepared, but I dont think thats possible. Plus I carry an extra 300 foot rope with a carabiner secured to one end incase someone falls somewhere that you absolutely would need a rope. It probably weighs 5-6lbs alone, and only has a weight capacity of about 200lbs max. Thinking of just switching to 7 strand 550 cord. If it stands true it should be better, plus paracord weighs virtually nothing. I wear 2 quick strip survival bracelets I made that have about 15-20 feet per.typically as you spend more time in the woods, you get comfortable with carrying less. i would bet youd want to bury most of that stuff two days into steep country
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 19, 2013, 10:15:41 AM
As you get older, you'll want to reduce the weight. There is no reason to take things you won't use, using energy that you don't need to. Your hunt/hike will be much more enjoyable by carrying less weight. You're also preparing to bring out more weight (deboned animal), than you took in with you. Sure, you'll have eaten some food/weight, but that is nothing compared to bringing out quarters of a deer along with all your gear.What about for situations you cannot anticipate, like injuries etc? My medic kit is probably the heaviest thing I have on me that barely gets any use. Some say Im alittle overprepared, but I dont think thats possible. Plus I carry an extra 300 foot rope with a carabiner secured to one end incase someone falls somewhere that you absolutely would need a rope. It probably weighs 5-6lbs alone, and only has a weight capacity of about 200lbs max. Thinking of just switching to 7 strand 550 cord. If it stands true it should be better, plus paracord weighs virtually nothing. I wear 2 quick strip survival bracelets I made that have about 15-20 feet per.
-Steve
100' of paracord is all I carry. I'm not on a search and rescue mission/team. If someone fell, and they're well enough that 300' of rope would get them out, I can just hike out for help. Your med kit is your med kit. .... I'm no surgeon and won't be setting broken bones or reattaching an ear in the field. A bandana or two, some superglue, some duct tape wrapped around my pill bottle, a couple of bandaids, benadril, tylenol/ibuprophen, antiseptic.... There are other things that are useful but a med kit shouldn't need to weigh more than a pound. If you need to splint a broken bone, there are tree branches/bark that will work just fine when combined with that paracord.
-Steve
Post by: JPhelps on February 19, 2013, 10:30:54 AM
Post by: fair-chase on February 19, 2013, 10:35:10 AM
My medical kit includes duct tape, ibprufeon, and vicadin. If I can't fix it with that I can't fix it.lol I should strip my med kit down and take a photo, half of you would probably laugh at me.
I'm actually quite curious about this kit. Would really like to see a photo and maybe a list.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 19, 2013, 10:37:11 AM
"lol I love how you referenced to all my previous statements. " That's how I write.
A stitch kit would be lightweight too. I think I've got dental floss and a needle in mine. I just think that many people try to prepare for too much of the unexpected and not enough for smart survival. There aren't many places in this state you can go, and not get to a trail in a day or so if you're back in ten or so miles. Careful use of fire and sharp objects keep the injury possibilities to a minimum. Having map and compass, knowing how to use them, Orientering, are skills that most people lack, and truthfully... need the most. -even more than rendering emergency first aid.
-Getting a little off-topic here.... I think that what we put in our packs for the back country should be the things we need, Not the comforts of an Ipad watching a movie to pass the time. I'd rather enjoy the view/critters/sounds of nature.
-Steve
Post by: JM on February 19, 2013, 11:28:53 AM
Post by: Mudman on February 19, 2013, 11:44:38 AM
No mine isnt better but lighter for sure. I go minimal style. H2o filter camel back food tools garb sacks visqueen bag few clothes fire gps radio hunt gear wipes. Im being general but u get the idea. Sometimes I have treestand, gets heavy depends how far Im going. My hat has a light in bill. Gps is radio and camera. Elect. tape and fish line and hook and garb. sack is my first aid. fire to cook and heat and dry clothes/boots etc. I try to use as much from the land as possible. plastic garbage sack and chunk of visqueen do alot. Have lighter mag. fire starter and mech. compass. paracord too. Never weighed pack but would guess it around 30-38lbs.?Your nuts dude! :chuckle: Pictures! I wanna see this pack loaded up and its weight!! Are your legs bigger than your waist? :dunno: :chuckle:
I'm just puting it out there to pay back the input at ideas i've collected from others.
Sounds like you've got a much better back country system and much lighter pack list - i'd like to hear what's in it. Would you mind sharing?
Post by: brocka on February 19, 2013, 12:04:09 PM
My medical kit includes duct tape, ibprufeon, and vicadin. If I can't fix it with that I can't fix it.
Exactly.
Post by: whacker1 on February 19, 2013, 12:12:51 PM
5 lbs will make a big difference.
Post by: coachcw on February 19, 2013, 12:22:41 PM
Post by: Benny on February 19, 2013, 12:23:54 PM
let me clarify some things, my compass is in my emergency kit, 10lbs of food is for a 7day hunt. i run a kifaru long hunter with xtl lid. before this season i might end up with a bikini frame and that would shave about 2.5lbs right there. meat kit contents are listed at the bottom. sawyer inline water filter with potable aqua tabs also in my emerg kit. my effective shooting range is 450yds.
These weights are in ounces? Your pack weighs 8 pounds empty? Your water filter/purification weighs 3oz? But you carry a gallon of water? 10 pounds of food for every day? No mechanical compass? What's your 'meat kit'? No binoculars? You carry a range finder, but what are the realistic shooting distances for your hunt?
Room for improvement....
I think you could be due for a lighter quality pack and ditch that much water. This could save you at least six pounds.
-Steve
Jackofalltrades, maybe I missed it earlier in the thread but would you post your list? You sure seem to have things dialed.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 19, 2013, 12:41:23 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=97940.0;attach=211450;image (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=97940.0;attach=211450;image)
-Steve
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Post by: JM on February 19, 2013, 12:57:38 PM
allen wrenches ( archery season)
Leupold gold ring Binos and nikon Spotting scope
Leupold 800yd range finder
leatherman
2 mini utility knives
Tent or (hammock depending on time of year and area)
Thermarest neo air sleeping pad (worth its weight in gold)
Asolo 40deg bag for early archery and a kelty 0 deg for october or later
Titanium cook pot
2 long DQ blizzard spoons ( Lightweight and I hate getting sticky food on my hands eating Mountain house meals)
Weather proof lighter and paper for cooking. (brother got me a lightweight burner for xmas to replace this)
A 2 serving mountain house meal per night I plan on staying
2 power bars/day
I usually boil about 8 eggs and cook a couple burgers to bring up also
a 2 liter water bottle for just water and a 12 ounce water bottle( to mix gatorade or an energy supplement like NO EXPLODE for example)
Katadyn camper pump filter
powdered gatorade and a powdered energy supplement( I get tired of just drinkin water)
Cough drops with Vitamin C
100 ft 1/4 in rope
extra socks
gaitors
rain coat
duct tape
Ipod
and also a can of Copenhagen but don't tell my ol lady
I also forgot to put Starbucks via( if you've got time to cook them it's pretty nice)
Post by: Hawgdawg on February 19, 2013, 01:44:55 PM
You guys have all mentioned things I have used and still do.....most anyways. I think the single mot important thing in my back country pack is vaseline soaked cotton balls and flint. If you can't start a fire in ANY condition then you have no need for comfy feet or a soft pad. Food ? That's great but, as tall and skinny as I am I have gone 10 days with no food and only water. I know a lot of you have spent cold lonely nights on a mountain, but if the weather is really bad and your 10-15 miles in the back country, and suffering first stages of hypothermia and your a couple miles from base camp, do you really need that sandwich or sleeping pad? Nope you need a fire. I have helped too many people start a fire In those exact conditions. Many of whom probably would not have made it off the mountain.
I love the luxuries......don't get me wrong, but if you can't build the most basic thing for survival (fire) then all of those luxuries are for not. You can buy fancy fire starters, waterproof mat he's lighters etc, but the only thing that. Works 100% of the time, even when wet is Vaseline soaked cotton balls.
Ok I'm off my soap box. Just remember the scout motto "Be Prepared" and if being comfortable fits in there somewhere that's great too! :twocents:
Great point Buck man.
Another good trick is to get yourself a pint tube of osi quad pro series caulking. Freeze it and then cut into two inch chucks and vacuum pack. That stuff will burn underwater.
That and a contractor grade garbage sack and you have yourself a pretty warm poncho/tent. Cut holes for head and arms.for a poor mans rain poncho. I have hovered through the night over one in deep snow and freezing temps and made it.
Sterno cans for warming chafing dishes work good also and don't smell as bad but they won't burn in monsoon conditions
I have also used them under the exhaust manifolds of snow machines to get them started in minus temps. in the Arctic. Learned fast not to shut off your iron Huskey when your out on the ice pack of the beufuert sea taking pics of Polar bears!
Post by: Benny on February 19, 2013, 01:59:36 PM
I certainly don't have it dialed yet! :chuckle: I doubt I ever will. I'm not a minimalist, but I'm still trying to see where I can shave a couple pounds so I can put the spotting scope and tripod back in.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=97940.0;attach=211450;image (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=97940.0;attach=211450;image)
-Steve
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Sweet, thanks!
So...you're busting Fillthefreezer's balls about his pack that is 2lbs heavier than yours and able to haul half an elephant but you don't mind packin' a six shooter at 3.5lbs?
These threads always crack me up.
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 19, 2013, 02:11:13 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 19, 2013, 02:29:26 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 19, 2013, 02:30:29 PM
Sweet, thanks!
So...you're busting Fillthefreezer's balls about his pack that is 2lbs heavier than yours and able to haul half an elephant but you don't mind packin' a six shooter at 3.5lbs?
These threads always crack me up.
Almost a touche'....
But I went to a lighter pack, carry less water, so I can afford to carry that pistola! The pistola is usually in a shoulder rig that bears most of the weight on the hip. (as should a pack too) And is often the only firearm I have with me. I may take a rifle on the high hunts, but I've taken several deer at lower elevation with six shooter. It weighs much less than the rifle does.
-Steve
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 19, 2013, 02:43:47 PM
I love sugar on my oatmeal in the morning, but I also know that sugar is an excelent fire starter. Bringing things in your pack that have dual purpose is always a plus.
-Steve
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 19, 2013, 02:47:57 PM
Personal defense from what? Critter or man? Your best defense from man is to be smarter than your foe. Your best defense from critter is to not invade it's territory, or make it feel threatened.
-Steve
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 19, 2013, 02:59:23 PM
-Steve
Post by: gaddy on February 19, 2013, 03:05:30 PM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on February 19, 2013, 03:06:07 PM
Getting off topic...Wildlife.. If that's the case why does everyone carry pistols? Im asking a serious question..
Personal defense from what? Critter or man? Your best defense from man is to be smarter than your foe. Your best defense from critter is to not invade it's territory, or make it feel threatened.
-Steve
For most Id bet its a secure feeling and a right we have. Why not is the better question.
Your chances of getting attacked by a bear are slim to none. You wont see a Couger until its hanging off your juggler. Always save the last bullet for yourself.
I pack for many reasons, but I suspect Id brandish on a human before an animal...
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on February 19, 2013, 03:13:50 PM
Hiking and Hunting are 2 different things. When hiking your supposed to be loud. That way you dont surprise the animals.
But when your hunting in stealth mode you never know what you might get to close too sneaking around.
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 19, 2013, 03:14:19 PM
Im a felon. Thats my reason. Ive been stripped of those rights so I want to know my next best option, Never know when you might walk up on something you dont want to have a close encounter with is what Im getting at. I imagine bear mace would be about it.bear spray if youre worried about it, would work on a human as well
Post by: slim9300 on February 19, 2013, 03:16:57 PM
Sweet, thanks!
So...you're busting Fillthefreezer's balls about his pack that is 2lbs heavier than yours and able to haul half an elephant but you don't mind packin' a six shooter at 3.5lbs?
These threads always crack me up.
Almost a touche'....
But I went to a lighter pack, carry less water, so I can afford to carry that pistola! The pistola is usually in a shoulder rig that bears most of the weight on the hip. (as should a pack too) And is often the only firearm I have with me. I may take a rifle on the high hunts, but I've taken several deer at lower elevation with six shooter. It weighs much less than the rifle does.
-Steve
I really was trying to hold back from responding to your earlier post but I just can't do it.
I find it funny that you were very critical of someone's setup that was far superior to your own (albeit heavier). Your gear is very low quality and I wouldn't trust what you use as far as I could throw it. I would take his 8 lb. Kifaru pack with the Duplex frame over 20 of yours, because I know it will carry 100+ lbs. with the utmost comfort and that it won't fail.
My biggest suggestion to you is an attitude adjustment when critiquing others gear.
Just my .02
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Post by: deerslyr on February 19, 2013, 03:32:08 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 19, 2013, 03:35:28 PM
-Steve
Post by: JM on February 19, 2013, 03:37:22 PM
Pepper spray is a great option, about the best Id say for your situation.Yeah. Working on transitioning into the hunting lifestyle. Need to know my options you know. Dont have anyone else to teach me this stuff besides you guys and the 16 million bowhunting magazines I have. Much easier to get right to the point and ask the questions Im most curious about.
Hiking and Hunting are 2 different things. When hiking your supposed to be loud. That way you dont surprise the animals.
But when your hunting in stealth mode you never know what you might get to close too sneaking around.
One thing that I do is avoid human contact by all means when I'm in the backcountry. for example when I set up my camp I'll set it up down wind and out of sight of the trail so that people don't smell my fire and animals don't smell me. The other thing is I avoid people on the way in and out if possible so that people don't know that I am in there and also so that I don't get loose lipped on the way out or in and slip up about what I have seen. I tend to get chatty when I haven't spoken to or seen anyone in a few days. I carry a pistol when I'm archery hunting also, people are a lot more unpredictable than animals
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 19, 2013, 03:44:46 PM
Discussions are just that, but when the subject changes, just as you would create a new paragraph or even a new sentence when you change subject, realize when it is time to start a new thread/topic in a corresponding forum.
I should have said this earlier.
-Steve
Post by: deerslyr on February 19, 2013, 04:00:08 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 19, 2013, 04:07:11 PM
Its not even your thread. Its a forum, discussions are created and questions are asked and then answered. Same could be said about criticizing someone gear list and pack weight and then posting a gear list that is lacking in quality:chuckle: :brew: Glad you said it lol
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 19, 2013, 04:22:22 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 19, 2013, 05:27:15 PM
Post by: deerslyr on February 19, 2013, 05:37:20 PM
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on February 19, 2013, 06:13:02 PM
isbn#0-9778837-1-x
comes with a dvd too.
Post by: ICEMAN on February 19, 2013, 07:51:59 PM
You would think I would learn... :bash:
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on February 19, 2013, 07:57:08 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 19, 2013, 08:03:05 PM
Post by: pd on February 19, 2013, 08:05:06 PM
I'm somewhat OCD when it comes to pack lists... always afraid ill forget 'that ONE important thing'. Below is my list that ive compiled over the years after trial and error and stealing from other people's lists:
Eberlestock Dragonfly
Main
Eberle duffle attach
TNF Tadpole tent
TNF Snow-shoe bag
Thermarest ultralight ¾
Xtra pr sock/shirt/underwear/scullcap
Crocs
Food
B-fast
Cliff/pwr bars
Lunch/snax
Crushed bagels
Jiff pb cups
Tuna pouches
Ramen
Cliff gel blox
Jerky
Trail mix
Gatoraide pwd
Dinners
Mtn house
Water bladder
Water filter bottle
Meat compartment
License & Tags
Electrical Tape
Zip Ties
Latex Gloves
Field Dr. Knife
75# Chord
Tarp/Drop Cloth
Kifaru Meat Bag
Top Pack/Ditch Bag
Rifle Clip
5 hr energy
Headlamp
2 way Radio
GPS
Xtra Ammo/Pouch
TP
Baby Wipes
Chapstick
Gloves
Wind Checker
Firestarter/Matches
Binoculars & Strap
Map
Camera
Cook Kit
Ti Cup
Pot top
Spork
Mini Stove
Alcohol
Lighter
Windscreen
Survival Kit
Fam Photo
Alieve
Zyrtec
Bandages
Flagging
Compass
Iodine Tablets
Magnes. Fire Startr
Matches
P. Jelly/cttn firestrtr
Whistle
1st Aid Kit
Mirror
Micro Mag flashlt extra bulb
extra Batteries
Emerg. Blanket
Light Sticks (2)
100’ Dacron
Needles & Floss
Multi Tool
Knife
Pen & Post it notes
Safety pins
TP
Hey, Dansk
That is one very carefully developed list! Have you ever weighed the whole kit?
Post by: coachcw on February 20, 2013, 06:25:32 AM
Post by: Dansk on February 20, 2013, 06:01:37 PM
Hey, Dansk
That is one very carefully developed list! Have you ever weighed the whole kit?Quote
No... though now i am curious, and have an excuse to dig through my gear! Lemme check...
Post by: Dansk on February 20, 2013, 07:09:38 PM
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Hey, Dansk
That is one very carefully developed list! Have you ever weighed the whole kit?
Original post updated with weight... pack, sleep gear, possibles, etc is around 28#, and includes 32oz of h20. I think mtn house are 3 packs/pound, so maybe add 2-4lbs of food? ...brings it to 30#-ish?
Excludes optics and rifle.
Post by: elkhunter00 on February 24, 2013, 09:29:45 PM
Post by: coachcw on February 25, 2013, 06:22:42 AM
Post by: whacker1 on February 26, 2013, 02:44:19 PM
Does anybody have any input on the golite imogene UL2? it seems to be a super light tent for the money. that and a foot print and still be under 3lbs?
http://www.golite.com/Imogene-UL2-P47000.aspx (http://www.golite.com/Imogene-UL2-P47000.aspx)
Looking for input, because the other tents in that price range are more expensive.
Post by: 400out on February 26, 2013, 03:11:50 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 26, 2013, 04:33:49 PM
Post by: coachcw on February 26, 2013, 04:45:27 PM
Post by: whacker1 on February 26, 2013, 04:47:14 PM
I don't know anything about those tents but I know their Shangri La teepees get good reviews. I've been told to look at them for a sleeping bag. They do have sales from time to time also.
i am upgrading bags as well, and the golite bags are fairly high on my list. Let me know if you see sales.
Post by: sakoshooter on February 28, 2013, 08:17:16 AM