Post by: Johnny2910 on February 18, 2013, 06:35:58 AM
Post by: huntnnw on February 18, 2013, 06:44:38 AM
Post by: TheHunt on February 18, 2013, 06:51:38 AM
My wife paid 300 dollars for a Chihuahua. YIKES!!! I think that was too much. But a happy wife is a life. :dunno:
Post by: CMG on February 18, 2013, 06:52:48 AM
So many things not quite right here.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 18, 2013, 07:26:51 AM
Well Roger should be in PRISON!!!!! He is the most cowardly, dishonest, disrespectful, and above all thief I have ever done business with.
I recently purchased a dog from this SOB for $6500.00. Yes $6500.00. My wife and I did extensive research on this guy and many others before we made our decision. We talked to him several times and felt he was the right choice. In January 2012 he let us know that a litter will be here in the next few weeks and we could pick one out. Well we sent our deposit and waited, waited, and waited and finally called him. Said the litter was gone but would have another in April... I should have backed out then, but decided to move forward.
April came and went and when we called all he had left were 2 yellow male labs. We told him to choose the better of the two and we would take him. So the training begins right?? WRONG. Months passed with no word from Roger. From time to time we could get ahold of him and he would let us know that the dog was in line to be ready to be fully trained and ready for the 2013 shed season. A few more months came and went and we got a few YouTube videos of the dog playing and running around but never of him doing what we paid him to train him to do. Well now it’s December 2012 and the dog is almost 9 months old and my kids and wife and myself are getting excited for our new addition to the family to arrive. Rodger spoke to my wife 2 weeks before we were to pick the dog up and let her know this dog was the best dog he had ever trained and he really didn’t want to give him to us because we couldn’t take care of him the way he should be taken care of but, we were still planning on picking the dog up.
I have a demanding job and is hard for me to get out of the state and take off work. I had a small window and jumped in the truck and started to head up and get the dog, but half way thru the trip I had to turn around and get back to work. My wife remembered Roger saying he has shipped dogs all over the country so she called and asked him to ship the dog to us. Roger declined and said he would not do that and that it is mandatory for clients to be at the facility for a day to work with the dog so since we could not he has decided not to give us the dog and he would train us a new one and would be ready in September 2013. Now I have no problem on driving 2k miles to get this dog, but I don’t know many people that can take off work for that long just to talk to a guy that trained my dog for a few hours. For $6500 he could have flown to my house if he thinks it’s that easy to take off on a cross country trip, but that was never mentioned. My wife called me in tears!!!! My little boy was devastated. Now that’s where I drew the line and told this guy to send my $6500.00 back and we would just get a dog from somewhere else.
My wife wrote him an email and let him know just what kind of ASS he was and he must have felt bad because the dog was on a plane the next day.
When I got home and started playing with him, I noticed that he did not do one thing that I told him (keep in mind Roger has never told me or made one of his many YouTube videos on how to work the dog in the field). I have received one YouTube video on how the dog sits, heals, lays down, and sits a treat on his nose. Is this what $6500.00 gets you?
The dog is not house broken, digs holes in the yard, chews everything in sight and still would not do a simple command as load in my truck, even though Rodger let us know he "loaded like a dream". I decided to work with the dog on my 2 weeks off from work while my family was out of town every single day. In 2 weeks of constant working with the dog, he still will not sit, heel, load in my truck, but most of all will not retrieve a shed. We have gone into the fields and he seems to always find cans. WOW!!
So we decided to call him and tell him we wanted our money back and dog would be on next plane out. But he said I will buy him back for half the price you paid for him but will not pay full price. What kind of man takes another man’s money for a job and when the job is incomplete doesn’t make it right? Makes another man’s wife and kids upset and has no remorse for what he has done. We love the dog as he is very playful and I know he has it in him to be a great dog, so we have shipped him to another shed hunting trainer to be properly trained.
I will write a new post when we get the dog back and let everyone that reads this how it turned out, as my first shed dog experience turned out to be a 1 year nightmare!!! As of now we are having him house broken, on and off leash trained, trained to load up, shed hunt and to be a bird dog and it will be a 12 week course and half the price!!!
If anyone is thinking of getting a shed dog think twice before buying one from Roger and Antler Ridge.
You gotta stop and breath once in a while
Post by: ICEMAN on February 18, 2013, 07:33:40 AM
You are so angry that you post from Texas this complaint? Get a life.
Learn to do for yourself and quit the whining.
Sheds arent worth $6500. Don't blame the dog next.
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on February 18, 2013, 07:43:30 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 18, 2013, 07:45:34 AM
Post by: ghosthunter on February 18, 2013, 07:58:06 AM
For that money the dog should be able to drive the friggin truck and make lunch.
Post by: wildweeds on February 18, 2013, 07:59:42 AM
As to your actual dealings,
Was it stated that the dog would be housebroken?
Are you dog savvy or is this your first dog and you are impatient?
There should be a getting to know one another phase upon receipt of the dog before you start trying to make it do to much.
Holes in the yard? All dogs dig,it's part of the deal,they've dug for centuries and will continue to do so as they are a den animal,and that instinct can't be bred out of them................. one word, Cement kennel ,another word " NO!" when you catch him digging in the yard while supervised.
Dogs can be very "Place" oriented which is why the man wanted you to come and pick the dog up,so that you could see the dog worked in it's comfortable area where it was trained.You would have seen the dog more than likely flawlessly in the area it has been trained for months and months on end, it's your responsibility to remember what you've seen the dog do and what body language/commands got the desired response.It is then your job to expand the desired response to different locations.
9 months old is actually still a pup IMO.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 18, 2013, 08:09:21 AM
Geeez
For that money the dog should be able to drive the friggin truck and make lunch.
Dogs are color blind and have poor hygene. I wouldn't want them making lunch and driving.
Post by: sirmissalot on February 18, 2013, 08:13:23 AM
Post by: h20hunter on February 18, 2013, 08:51:44 AM
Post by: norsepeak on February 18, 2013, 08:55:44 AM
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 18, 2013, 09:03:14 AM
Post by: h20hunter on February 18, 2013, 09:06:55 AM
Post by: cwuwildcat on February 18, 2013, 09:13:06 AM
I wouldn't pay that much for a trained wife.
Good luck finding one of those! You might as well ask for a unicorn also.
Sounds like Johnny had more money then brains, and now they're about equal.
Post by: Bluemoon on February 18, 2013, 09:28:05 AM
But what I will defend is the asking price of his dog if it was trained and actually did what it was trained to do. $6500.00 for a fully trained dog is a good deal. Do a little home work you will find this is a fair price. There are many good Retriever Kennels talked about on here. A started Lab from them will go anywhere from $2500.00 to $5000.00. A started Pointing dog $2500.00 and up. I am talking about started dogs not a finished one.
If you had a pointing dog you wanted to field trail, the "average price" to put an FC on that dog is $10,000.00. If you want to chase a National title just keep your check book out.
For just the average hunter think about what you put into your own dog over the span of 10 years! Heck my largest vet bill for one of my dogs 2 years ago was over $11,000.00, I ate top ramon and peanut butter for 6 months to pay it off but I would do it again.
You have to look at the overall opportunity cost of training yourself or just paying the price up front to have a push button dog from the very beginning.
What Johnny did wrong was not research the kennel,trainer etc. etc.. Anyone can have a fancy web site, one needs to look at the finished products.
just my .02
Post by: jackelope on February 18, 2013, 09:28:52 AM
Solid point there, Knocker.Geeez
For that money the dog should be able to drive the friggin truck and make lunch.
Dogs are color blind and have poor hygene. I wouldn't want them making lunch and driving.
Post by: Bigtine96 on February 18, 2013, 09:44:02 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on February 18, 2013, 09:52:22 AM
Well stated for sure. :tup:Solid point there, Knocker.Geeez
For that money the dog should be able to drive the friggin truck and make lunch.
Dogs are color blind and have poor hygene. I wouldn't want them making lunch and driving.
Post by: KopperBuck on February 18, 2013, 09:59:08 AM
Post by: KopperBuck on February 18, 2013, 10:03:15 AM
For $6500 the dog should be able to use the inter net himself
Ha! And he probably wouldn't have spent that change on himself either.
Post by: BIGINNER on February 18, 2013, 10:19:17 AM
I've sold 2 litters of weimaraner pups, and only 2 people came to see the pups in person. almost all the buyers were non-hunters, but still....
the buyers are lucky that I have some kind of morals when it comes to dogs.. :chuckle:
I have 1 hunter that bought a pup from me and he has never seen the pup in person. doesn't ask any questions about the pup, I literally have to go through and make up questions to answer for him. lol :chuckle: granted I sold my pups for cheap. and I don't train them for people.
but paying $6500 and not going out to see the dog in person. :dunno: :dunno: pretty dumb.
my male weimaraner obeys all my command very good. when I give commands to him he's the best trained dog in the world (imo.) but if anyone else tries giving him commands,... well you're talking to deaf ears.
that is why buyers should go out and work a bit with the trainer and dog.
Post by: Hawgdawg on February 18, 2013, 10:26:18 AM
Remember folks....Dog's are only as smart as their owners!!
Mind was sitting on the commode this morning, reading the wall street journal!
Post by: Sportfury on February 18, 2013, 10:29:27 AM
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Post by: bucksandbulls on February 21, 2013, 11:55:29 AM
Post by: Arnbo on February 21, 2013, 12:22:58 PM
I would not think twice about it.You can not put a price on how much she is loved.
When I was younger I probably would not have the same thought.
Comes down to it it is only Money right?
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 21, 2013, 02:09:14 PM
He wasn't paying $6500 for just a pup. It was supposed to be trained to "perform".
I have seen lab pups from reputable breeders go anywhere betwen $300 and $2k. Just for the pup.
Lets asume this dog did perform @ 9months old and was finding and bringing sheds back, follows basic comands (sit, stay, no, etc), and was house broken. How much time do you think the breader had into the dog to get him to that point?
How much is the breeders time worth? What about food that the breeder had to buy for this pup for 9 months? Shots? Vet visits?
There is a LOT more to it than just $6,500 for a dog.
Post by: 92xj on February 21, 2013, 02:12:40 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on February 21, 2013, 02:24:11 PM
I keep reading basically this same line over and over "I wouldn't pay $6500 for a dog!".
He wasn't paying $6500 for just a pup. It was supposed to be trained to "perform".
I have seen lab pups from reputable breeders go anywhere betwen $300 and $2k. Just for the pup.
Lets asume this dog did perform @ 9months old and was finding and bringing sheds back, follows basic comands (sit, stay, no, etc), and was house broken. How much time do you think the breader had into the dog to get him to that point?
How much is the breeders time worth? What about food that the breeder had to buy for this pup for 9 months? Shots? Vet visits?
There is a LOT more to it than just $6,500 for a dog.
IT'S NOT NESSISARELY THE PRICE THAT GETS ME,.. I JUST CNAN'T UNDERSTAND PAYING THAT MCH FOR ANY DOG TRAINED OR NOT WITHOUT SEEING THE DOG IN PERSON FIRST. :dunno:
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on February 21, 2013, 02:34:34 PM
This whole thing doesn't pass the sniff test, I wonder if Johnny2910 is the ex-Mrs. Sigler?
Post by: Roperfive88 on February 22, 2013, 09:38:45 AM
Post by: Curly on February 22, 2013, 10:12:58 AM
But, $6,500 is not that much money if the dog is fully trained. Now, that said, it doesn't sound like the dog is even partially trained.
Here is Roger Sigler's website: Link (http://www.antlerdogs.com/)
If you google "Roger Sigler shed dog" you will get a ton of hits.
I was trying to find other forums where Johnny may have posted......... I thought he would have posted on this (http://www.qdma.com/forums//showthread.php?t=43765) forum.
:dunno:
I did find this bowhunting forum that Johnny posted in: Link (http://forums.bowhunting.com/showthread.php?45670-Dont-use-roger-sigler-for-a-shed-dog!!!)
Post by: Sportfury on February 22, 2013, 10:31:29 AM
Also on the $6,500 price I have seen a lot of fully trained and finished two-year-old pointing dogs going for $5000. When I got my first shorthair I spent a ton of my time training him and he only turned out to be semi-decent. I would say that I got him half finished and I owned him for 13 years. If I had to add up my time the dog might have been worth that. Have a professional train my dog now would be a no-brainer, but I would fully research them before going with them.
Post by: NWBREW on February 22, 2013, 10:46:16 AM
I keep reading basically this same line over and over "I wouldn't pay $6500 for a dog!".
He wasn't paying $6500 for just a pup. It was supposed to be trained to "perform".
I have seen lab pups from reputable breeders go anywhere betwen $300 and $2k. Just for the pup.
Lets asume this dog did perform @ 9months old and was finding and bringing sheds back, follows basic comands (sit, stay, no, etc), and was house broken. How much time do you think the breader had into the dog to get him to that point?
How much is the breeders time worth? What about food that the breeder had to buy for this pup for 9 months? Shots? Vet visits?
There is a LOT more to it than just $6,500 for a dog.
I trained my dog to do that in less then 2 months. So I will say that 6,500 for a dog to do simple commands and bring sheds back is way, way to much in my opinion. I only paid 400 for my AKC lab. Just my opinion though.
Post by: Curly on February 22, 2013, 10:55:04 AM
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Puppy: $750.00 - (7-8 weeks of age)
Started Puppy: $1,500 - (10-12 weeks of age)
Intermediate Puppy: $2,500 - (12 weeks-When the dog is ready)
Fully Finished Dog: $6,000 - These dogs are ready to go "shed hunting". They will know the the following obedience commands: "sit", "stay", "lay-down", and "kennel". The dog will also know the command to "find an antler" and bring an antler back to you when it is found.
Training your own dog: $450.00 - Per month, plus food
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 22, 2013, 03:11:54 PM
I keep reading basically this same line over and over "I wouldn't pay $6500 for a dog!".
He wasn't paying $6500 for just a pup. It was supposed to be trained to "perform".
I have seen lab pups from reputable breeders go anywhere betwen $300 and $2k. Just for the pup.
Lets asume this dog did perform @ 9months old and was finding and bringing sheds back, follows basic comands (sit, stay, no, etc), and was house broken. How much time do you think the breader had into the dog to get him to that point?
How much is the breeders time worth? What about food that the breeder had to buy for this pup for 9 months? Shots? Vet visits?
There is a LOT more to it than just $6,500 for a dog.
I trained my dog to do that in less then 2 months. So I will say that 6,500 for a dog to do simple commands and bring sheds back is way, way to much in my opinion. I only paid 400 for my AKC lab. Just my opinion though.
Every dog learns at his or her own pace. You may have had the good fortune of picking out one that was a quick learner. Not all pups even out of a good litter with great parents are going to learn at the same rate.
Post by: BIGINNER on February 22, 2013, 03:13:06 PM
I keep reading basically this same line over and over "I wouldn't pay $6500 for a dog!".
He wasn't paying $6500 for just a pup. It was supposed to be trained to "perform".
I have seen lab pups from reputable breeders go anywhere betwen $300 and $2k. Just for the pup.
Lets asume this dog did perform @ 9months old and was finding and bringing sheds back, follows basic comands (sit, stay, no, etc), and was house broken. How much time do you think the breader had into the dog to get him to that point?
How much is the breeders time worth? What about food that the breeder had to buy for this pup for 9 months? Shots? Vet visits?
There is a LOT more to it than just $6,500 for a dog.
I trained my dog to do that in less then 2 months. So I will say that 6,500 for a dog to do simple commands and bring sheds back is way, way to much in my opinion. I only paid 400 for my AKC lab. Just my opinion though.
Every dog learns at his or her own pace. You may have had the good fortune of picking out one that was a quick learner. Not all pups even out of a good litter with great parents are going to learn at the same rate.
:yeah: X 100
Post by: Houndhunter on February 22, 2013, 03:45:41 PM
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Post by: BeeMan on February 23, 2013, 07:08:51 PM
....... By the way, I have a pigeon that I'm training to pick up quarters out of walmart parking lots. Would you be interested in buying him? I'm only asking $3850.25. Trust me, I'm working with him as we speak.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Now that's funny...... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: LarMar14 on February 24, 2013, 07:11:26 AM
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Post by: bearpaw on February 24, 2013, 07:53:40 AM
The OP will never be back. He has a beef and is probably posting where he can. One sided stories are never 100% true.
I think you are exactly right h2o, the guy is from Texas, it says that on his profile, he's mad over something so he posted on as many forums all over the internet as he could just so he could try and ruin the reputation of the other individual. I doubt he ever visits H-W again, I'm not saying the other individual is not guilty in some way, I am saying I don't agree with the methods employed by the OP.
I have my doubts that he paid $6500 for the dog, at the current time hounds and bird dogs are not worth what they used to be worth just a few years ago. I bet he could advertise on H-W for a shed dog for half that price and get phone calls the same day.
Post by: h20hunter on February 24, 2013, 08:19:52 AM
Post by: bearpaw on February 24, 2013, 08:36:46 AM