Post by: heavy hauler on September 26, 2008, 07:43:28 PM
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Post by: Bean Counter on September 27, 2008, 10:13:49 AM
Can someone please explain this to me in a nutshell like I"m 6? I have actually looked at their online regs, but it seems to assume a lot of background knowlege..
Thanks
Post by: Opportunist on September 27, 2008, 05:10:48 PM
Here's the breakdown as best as I can tell from the numbers on their website in the harvest stats and odds of draw. There is no clear description on the website.
This is for the limited quota tags. 15% of the tags for the unit and type you plan on putting in for go to non-residents, the rest go to residents and residents have no preference point system.
Of the 15% of the tags for that unit and type, 75% go to the preference point draw, 25% go to the random draw.
Of each application draw group (preference point draw and random draw) the tags are broken down again into special and regular, this refers to the price of the tag. 60% of the tags for regular and 40% for special. There are basicly 4 different ways to draw but you can only use one. Preference point regular draw, preference point special draw, random draw, special draw. Regular elk tag is $591 and special elk tag is $1,071.
The thought is that you will have better odds by spending the extra money on the special. Not always you have to look at odds of draw for that unit and type, then you have to weigh the increased odds verses the extra money, unless you have deep pockets then put in for the special. The unit and type I'm putting in for next year regular preference point draw with max points of 3 will give me approximately a 50% chance of drawing but if I paid the special it would be 100%. I'm paying the regular and saving the $400 for my Colorado deer tag. If you apply in the prefence point draws and draw you will be refunded that years $50 preference point money, only that years not previous years point money.
The only portion I have no idea how it affects the draw is the non-resident landowner random and preference point draw.
It's a little confusing, if you want to hunt wyoming for deer,elk or antelope in the future buy the points. I hope this helps.
If you want to get serious about out of state hunting I would recommend you join Garth Carters hunting service it gives you a rundown of each western state and recommends picks for hunt units in each state in a monthly magazine. It's a $100 a year for the membership.
Post by: X-Force on September 27, 2008, 05:32:36 PM
Post by: Opportunist on September 27, 2008, 06:16:54 PM
Once you narrow down a unit talk to field bios, I'd be hesitant to say talk to Forest service personnel since I haven't got great info from any I have contacted. Also be leary of speaking with game department managers, they tend to balloon the truth about their areas. I like field bio's and game department receptionists. I'll always be very polite with the female receptionist almost to the point of flirting with them, it makes my wife sick when she's heard me talking to them but I've got great info from them. I've even got real good info from game department fish bio's about hunting areas. Game wardens tend to be a little synical about info towards out of state hunters. These are just opinions based on my experience. Of course ask questions on the web on websites specific to that state.
Post by: X-Force on September 27, 2008, 06:28:16 PM
The quota hunts i was looking at were any elk archery hunts but i still dont know if they were mainly private land areas or not.
Do you have to hire a guide or can you use a resident in wilderness areas?
Post by: Bean Counter on September 28, 2008, 01:29:36 AM
Post by: Opportunist on September 28, 2008, 07:03:07 AM
It's a complete *censored* rule, this is public ground that you can hike, fish and horseback ride in, just not hunt! Wyoming needs to get their asses sued over the guide/wilderness/requirement! :twocents:
Post by: Ridgerunner on September 28, 2008, 07:18:55 AM
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Post by: Roger on September 28, 2008, 11:07:20 AM
I used my 2 points each this year and got my 1st. choice elk and antelope units and took a leftover deer unit as I only have 1 point on it. Have over $1200 for the 3 tags not including the point fees.
It's not about the money at this point in my life, it's the experience. When I retire in a few years things will probably have to change since I will only have my public servant retirement system without any medical benefits.
Leaving this Wednesday for the month of Oct. for all 3 animals.
Post by: Bean Counter on September 28, 2008, 09:29:31 PM
I think I'm going to have to pass this year--I should put in some homework for the most cost effective state to buy points in (that still has great hunting). But that will have to wait until the economy picks up.
Post by: Bookworm on September 28, 2008, 09:47:00 PM