Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2013, 10:24:37 AM
Post by: adamR on February 22, 2013, 10:35:28 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2013, 10:38:29 AM
180 in lt Murray? Good luck!That is where my friend and my dad hunt early and late archery, they have seen a couple monsters. I also know a guy who lives in the area that had is eye one one bigger than 180 during the late archery season a couple years ago, until the indians killed it. It was behind gold creek.
Post by: thurman on February 22, 2013, 10:39:42 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2013, 10:41:31 AM
Can't really vote anything besides late desert after seeing links buck:yeah:I figured that might sway a few votes towards the desert!
Post by: bobcat on February 22, 2013, 10:54:37 AM
14 points is certainly not even close to giving a person a good chance of drawing a permit. I'd say all the permits you listed would be worth 14 points.
Since he knows LT Murray so well that just might be the one to go for. Although it would be the last one I'd normally recommend, since the deer population is so much lower there than it is up north in Chelan and Okanogan counties.
Post by: jackelope on February 22, 2013, 11:13:10 AM
Post by: coachcw on February 22, 2013, 11:48:58 AM
Post by: NWWA Hunter on February 22, 2013, 12:01:33 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on February 22, 2013, 12:24:00 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 22, 2013, 12:40:30 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2013, 12:41:21 PM
YTC !I used to put in for that everyear, and drew it twice in 2003 and 2004. Back then I would have not wanted any different tag but now since the indians have put the smack down on the deer in there, I won't bother with it. I bet there are still some monsters but not even close to the numbers that there used to be in there.
Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2013, 12:42:19 PM
I don't think there is a "best." It's just whichever one he can draw. If he really wants a late permit he needs to apply for one with better odds.Good points!!
14 points is certainly not even close to giving a person a good chance of drawing a permit. I'd say all the permits you listed would be worth 14 points.
Since he knows LT Murray so well that just might be the one to go for. Although it would be the last one I'd normally recommend, since the deer population is so much lower there than it is up north in Chelan and Okanogan counties.
Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2013, 12:43:25 PM
I think a lot of it comes down to what type of hunting you like to do. The desert is very difficult to hunt and see deer in, especially bedded deer. I've only ever applied for one of the units you listed so I voted for that one. Does your buddy like to spend a lot of time glassing, hiking, road hunting, etc. that may narrow down the permit choices he makes. Good luck to him either way. With 14 points he's got more of a chance at a draw than I do.Some more good points, he will see these recommendations which I'm sure will help him decide.
Post by: buglebuster on February 22, 2013, 12:44:27 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2013, 12:45:05 PM
Post by: skywalker253 on February 22, 2013, 12:45:14 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2013, 12:46:45 PM
none of the above for me :dunno:I didn't list the westside tags for blacktail, and the other choice for me is a blacktail hunt.
Post by: buglebuster on February 22, 2013, 12:53:36 PM
i def. would never waste my points on a blacktail lol, i dont even second look them while elk hunting. i would say do some more research and look at some of the units right on the methow :tup:none of the above for me :dunno:I didn't list the westside tags for blacktail, and the other choice for me is a blacktail hunt.
Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2013, 01:02:11 PM
It's tough to get into blacktail hunting, they are very tough animals to kill when your looking for trophy size bucks. Mule deer are way easier to hunt then blackies in my opinoin. I would rather kill a 140 class blacktial then a 170 mule, now when you start getting up into the 180 mark that would be a tough choice.i def. would never waste my points on a blacktail lol, i dont even second look them while elk hunting. i would say do some more research and look at some of the units right on the methow :tup:none of the above for me :dunno:I didn't list the westside tags for blacktail, and the other choice for me is a blacktail hunt.
Post by: bobcat on February 22, 2013, 01:07:27 PM
5 or 6 points, sure.
As for Swakane, it's a great choice, especially as a second choice, as it has more permits than most others, and therefore it's an easier draw.
Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2013, 01:15:49 PM
I would use my points on a blacktail hunt, but not 14 points.I have 9 and it's getting tougher to put in for the blacktail tag I want because of the chance to draw a coveted muley tag.
5 or 6 points, sure.
As for Swakane, it's a great choice, especially as a second choice, as it has more permits than most others, and therefore it's an easier draw.
Post by: vandeman17 on February 22, 2013, 01:40:40 PM
Post by: skywalker253 on February 22, 2013, 01:47:11 PM
I got 17 points for Elk, but I am undecided what to put in for.
Post by: et1702 on February 22, 2013, 02:31:50 PM
I'm surprised no one has picked swakane???? I thought it was a really good unit, figured it was more popular. :dunno:
Hey Jerry,
Swakane has some deer in it, but its open during general season too. So, much more pressure (at least during archery).
If you have nine points, I'd try for Entiat Late rifle or Late Archery. As you know, I drew Late Archery last year and only had 4pts. I also saw a couple different really nice bucks approaching 180", and lots of bucks in the 150 to 170" range. My last day up there I was playing hide'n seek in the fog with a nice 170 to 180" buck. Unfortunately the fog and the buck won, plus had to go back to work and missd the last four days of the season :bash:
Also, while I was up there scouting before late archery (during late rifle), most of the rifle guys were being pretty picky. One of them showed me some pictures of a 180 buck that they had just missed getting a shot at that morning (again, fog rolled in on them before he could take the shot). But, they are in there!
Ed T.
Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2013, 05:13:41 PM
Thanks Ed, good info. :tup:I'm surprised no one has picked swakane???? I thought it was a really good unit, figured it was more popular. :dunno:
Hey Jerry,
Swakane has some deer in it, but its open during general season too. So, much more pressure (at least during archery).
If you have nine points, I'd try for Entiat Late rifle or Late Archery. As you know, I drew Late Archery last year and only had 4pts. I also saw a couple different really nice bucks approaching 180", and lots of bucks in the 150 to 170" range. My last day up there I was playing hide'n seek in the fog with a nice 170 to 180" buck. Unfortunately the fog and the buck won, plus had to go back to work and missd the last four days of the season :bash:
Also, while I was up there scouting before late archery (during late rifle), most of the rifle guys were being pretty picky. One of them showed me some pictures of a 180 buck that they had just missed getting a shot at that morning (again, fog rolled in on them before he could take the shot). But, they are in there!
Ed T.
Post by: trophyhunt on February 22, 2013, 05:16:31 PM
I have 8 points. I putting in for Entiat and Desert Modern.We are the exact same, if you will have 9 when you put in for deer. I also have 17 for elk, I think the decision gets tougher to choose the more points you have. Too bad our success rates for drawing are still extremly low. Good luck on your elk draw for what ever you decide!
I got 17 points for Elk, but I am undecided what to put in for.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on February 22, 2013, 05:56:03 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 22, 2013, 06:09:26 PM
I have a friend that has 14 deer points and I'm trying to figure out which one he should try for. I feel all the hunts listed above are great hunts, I just wonder because of the wolves and winter kills if one of them shine a bit more than the rest. I personally put in for the late desert. He is a really good bow hunter and I also love bow hunting but if I could pick one of those tags and wanted an 180+ deer, I would have to go with rifle. What do you guys think? I know these tags are no secret to anyone.If he has been hunting archery season for 14 years odds are he has not even seen a legit 180 class buck during the season, and would likely shoot the first 160 class buck he saw with a late rifle tag. Odds are, even with a late rifle tag in those units in your poll, he won't see a 180 class buck and had better put the hammer down on the first 170 he sees.
Of course there will be a couple legit 180's dropped around the state this year, and its always good to have a goal, but very few have the will to "go big or go home" and I would advise him to not pass a 170 class buck in this state. :twocents:
Post by: adamR on February 22, 2013, 07:50:22 PM
180 in lt Murray? Good luck!That is where my friend and my dad hunt early and late archery, they have seen a couple monsters. I also know a guy who lives in the area that had is eye one one bigger than 180 during the late archery season a couple years ago, until the indians killed it. It was behind gold creek.
I don't doubt that they have seen some monsters in LT. You didn't ask about monsters you asked where you could shoot a 180 buck. Personally if my goal was to kill a 180 buck I wouldn't waste my time in the LT Murray. LT Murray would be a fun tag but there are much much better options when your goal is 180.
Post by: skywalker253 on February 22, 2013, 10:02:17 PM
I have a friend that has 14 deer points and I'm trying to figure out which one he should try for. I feel all the hunts listed above are great hunts, I just wonder because of the wolves and winter kills if one of them shine a bit more than the rest. I personally put in for the late desert. He is a really good bow hunter and I also love bow hunting but if I could pick one of those tags and wanted an 180+ deer, I would have to go with rifle. What do you guys think? I know these tags are no secret to anyone.If he has been hunting archery season for 14 years odds are he has not even seen a legit 180 class buck during the season, and would likely shoot the first 160 class buck he saw with a late rifle tag. Odds are, even with a late rifle tag in those units in your poll, he won't see a 180 class buck and had better put the hammer down on the first 170 he sees.
Of course there will be a couple legit 180's dropped around the state this year, and its always good to have a goal, but very few have the will to "go big or go home" and I would advise him to not pass a 170 class buck in this state. :twocents:
Here we go again....
You the man bro! :tup:
Post by: throttlejocky20 on February 24, 2013, 10:35:00 AM
Post by: HoofsandWings on February 28, 2013, 05:02:12 PM
If you can predict the weather during the permit season, that is a big help.
Some units are really hot when there is early snow. Others require rain. Others cold.
And then some are not weather dependant.
Post by: trophyelk6x6 on February 28, 2013, 05:55:27 PM
Post by: skywalker253 on March 01, 2013, 03:04:56 PM
which ones require rain?
Anything on the Westside. The animals don't even know what good weather is. There is rain....then there is pouring rain....then there is pouring rain with the wind blowing it sideways....then there is SW WA rain. Anyone who lives here, knows what I am talking about. Most the animals are harvested then-LOL
Post by: throttlejocky20 on March 01, 2013, 03:12:52 PM
The crappier the weather the better the hunting!which ones require rain?
Anything on the Westside. The animals don't even know what good weather is. There is rain....then there is pouring rain....then there is pouring rain with the wind blowing it sideways....then there is SW WA rain. Anyone who lives here, knows what I am talking about. Most the animals are harvested then-LOL
Post by: HoofsandWings on March 01, 2013, 04:50:18 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 06, 2013, 08:49:47 AM
Post by: JLS on March 06, 2013, 08:59:08 AM
which ones require rain?
Anything on the Westside. The animals don't even know what good weather is. There is rain....then there is pouring rain....then there is pouring rain with the wind blowing it sideways....then there is SW WA rain. Anyone who lives here, knows what I am talking about. Most the animals are harvested then-LOL
Lived in Grays Harbor as a kid, I know exactly what you're talking about 8)
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 07, 2013, 08:06:02 AM
Well your idea of a 180 and my idea of a 180 must be different. If I knew of a few 180 bucks still alive in a unit that was open for general season one of them would be dead and I would post pictures. Knowone was killing 180 bucks before when it was permit and there definetly isn't anyone killing them now. The L.T. is my backyard and I spend a heck of a lot more time out there then most guys, and thats not riding quads out there thats hiking the canyons, sage flats and breaks of the yakima calling coyotes. We might also have a different definition of L.T. murray. When I say L.T. I mean sagebrush from selah to eburg with the river to the east and Wenas road to the west for boundarys.Colorado is a good tag if you want a 180" buck! :chuckle: Seriously though I would def take the L.T. off your list! A guy can't hardly find a 4pt out there let alone a 180"! I spend a LOT of time out there and there isn't much for age class.
:chuckle: :chuckle: never seen a 4 point out there :D.
seriously I know of a few 180" bucks still alive.
Post by: buglebuster on March 07, 2013, 08:25:51 AM
Post by: buckfvr on March 07, 2013, 08:54:01 AM
And yes, there were some fine bucks in the Yak river breaks as well......and the back side of the old wheat fields......when they were still growing winter wheat in there, and if you had permission to be in there, it was a great hunt.
My input is nothing more than very fond memories...... :twocents:
SPeaking of fond memories....pheasant hunting in the Wenas almost all the way back into Selah was the finest you could immagine back in the early 70s' All the way up the Wenas, where some of you guys no doubt live now....before there was anything but a few farms and loads of alfalfa and everyone let you hunt and you never ran into other hunters......looking back, seems like a dream.....and now I know it was a dream hunt long gone.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 07, 2013, 09:23:32 AM
20-25 yrs ago, that was a favorite haunt of mine ( Lt. Murray ), and I can assure you, there were some great looking bucks back then........but 180 class bucks were few and far between even then. A guy could see some dandies if there was an early snow especially in and around Black Canyon, and again over at the old feed station off s. fork manastash creek.Oh how times have changed! I'm not that old and most of the brush I used to beat for birds is all houses now. I used to park at save on foods in selah and walk back to the river! Try walking across that parking lot with a shotgun now! :chuckle: Its scares me to think about what my kids will be able to hunt in the next ten years!
And yes, there were some fine bucks in the Yak river breaks as well......and the back side of the old wheat fields......when they were still growing winter wheat in there, and if you had permission to be in there, it was a great hunt.
My input is nothing more than very fond memories...... :twocents:
SPeaking of fond memories....pheasant hunting in the Wenas almost all the way back into Selah was the finest you could immagine back in the early 70s' All the way up the Wenas, where some of you guys no doubt live now....before there was anything but a few farms and loads of alfalfa and everyone let you hunt and you never ran into other hunters......looking back, seems like a dream.....and now I know it was a dream hunt long gone.
Post by: skywalker253 on March 07, 2013, 12:42:47 PM
20-25 yrs ago, that was a favorite haunt of mine ( Lt. Murray ), and I can assure you, there were some great looking bucks back then........but 180 class bucks were few and far between even then. A guy could see some dandies if there was an early snow especially in and around Black Canyon, and again over at the old feed station off s. fork manastash creek.Oh how times have changed! I'm not that old and most of the brush I used to beat for birds is all houses now. I used to park at save on foods in selah and walk back to the river! Try walking across that parking lot with a shotgun now! :chuckle: Its scares me to think about what my kids will be able to hunt in the next ten years!
And yes, there were some fine bucks in the Yak river breaks as well......and the back side of the old wheat fields......when they were still growing winter wheat in there, and if you had permission to be in there, it was a great hunt.
My input is nothing more than very fond memories...... :twocents:
SPeaking of fond memories....pheasant hunting in the Wenas almost all the way back into Selah was the finest you could immagine back in the early 70s' All the way up the Wenas, where some of you guys no doubt live now....before there was anything but a few farms and loads of alfalfa and everyone let you hunt and you never ran into other hunters......looking back, seems like a dream.....and now I know it was a dream hunt long gone.
IMO- Once an abundance of wolves are a known thing in each GMU, we are going to see some serious changes. I'm thinking the hunting will go down hill fast across Wa and the land owners will keep what little game they have left for their own families to harvest (less land of the public to hunt). Most the state will be by written permission or posted. The state land is going to have so many hunters on it, that the entire state will become draw only. I give it another 10 years; then it will be a draw only state and we will have a wolf season like ID, MT, etc.
Post by: skywalker253 on March 07, 2013, 12:45:37 PM
Post by: Broken Arrow on March 07, 2013, 12:57:36 PM
Post by: JM on March 07, 2013, 03:52:44 PM
Well your idea of a 180 and my idea of a 180 must be different. If I knew of a few 180 bucks still alive in a unit that was open for general season one of them would be dead and I would post pictures. Knowone was killing 180 bucks before when it was permit and there definetly isn't anyone killing them now. The L.T. is my backyard and I spend a heck of a lot more time out there then most guys, and thats not riding quads out there thats hiking the canyons, sage flats and breaks of the yakima calling coyotes. We might also have a different definition of L.T. murray. When I say L.T. I mean sagebrush from selah to eburg with the river to the east and Wenas road to the west for boundarys.Colorado is a good tag if you want a 180" buck! :chuckle: Seriously though I would def take the L.T. off your list! A guy can't hardly find a 4pt out there let alone a 180"! I spend a LOT of time out there and there isn't much for age class.
:chuckle: :chuckle: never seen a 4 point out there :D.
seriously I know of a few 180" bucks still alive.
I'm not trying to call you out, but I know of someones wife that shot a buck that scored around 180 in the LT a few years back. Then again that buck that one of you're coworkers killed was over 190 wasn't it? I've hunted the unit that he shot it in my whole life and I've seen one buck of that caliber during elk season about 15 yrs ago. So I guess you never know? I will say that when I saw LT on this poll it made me laugh a little, so I voted for it.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 07, 2013, 04:12:57 PM
Todds buck was not in the L.T. it was in cowiche. Big difference. There is even a difference between mud lake area and the L.T. Also that buck migrated in off the rez. I never said there was no 180 bucks out there. There may be 1, possibly 2 but to say that you personally know of multiple 180's? If they are that abundant then some would be getting whacked. The L.T. is MY backyard! You stay on your side of the gap, we don't like your kind around here! :chuckle:Well your idea of a 180 and my idea of a 180 must be different. If I knew of a few 180 bucks still alive in a unit that was open for general season one of them would be dead and I would post pictures. Knowone was killing 180 bucks before when it was permit and there definetly isn't anyone killing them now. The L.T. is my backyard and I spend a heck of a lot more time out there then most guys, and thats not riding quads out there thats hiking the canyons, sage flats and breaks of the yakima calling coyotes. We might also have a different definition of L.T. murray. When I say L.T. I mean sagebrush from selah to eburg with the river to the east and Wenas road to the west for boundarys.Colorado is a good tag if you want a 180" buck! :chuckle: Seriously though I would def take the L.T. off your list! A guy can't hardly find a 4pt out there let alone a 180"! I spend a LOT of time out there and there isn't much for age class.
:chuckle: :chuckle: never seen a 4 point out there :D.
seriously I know of a few 180" bucks still alive.
I'm not trying to call you out, but I know of someones wife that shot a buck that scored around 180 in the LT a few years back. Then again that buck that one of you're coworkers killed was over 190 wasn't it? I've hunted the unit that he shot it in my whole life and I've seen one buck of that caliber during elk season about 15 yrs ago. So I guess you never know? I will say that when I saw LT on this poll it made me laugh a little, so I voted for it.
Post by: coachcw on March 08, 2013, 08:01:59 PM
I"ve seen two huge bucks on the mud lake side both ten plus years ago and no real studs in lt murry just nice and one stud in 336. my bet would be north.