Post by: apex_predator87 on February 25, 2013, 02:43:05 PM
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Post by: magnanimous_j on February 25, 2013, 03:10:59 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on February 25, 2013, 03:11:19 PM
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Post by: sirmissalot on February 25, 2013, 03:11:37 PM
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Post by: wildmanoutdoors on February 25, 2013, 03:13:48 PM
Post by: h20hunter on February 25, 2013, 03:15:08 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 25, 2013, 03:16:34 PM
DOOD, I forgot my shotgun was loaded? :sry:Platoon Smoke Scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGRLTFi--lY#)
Post by: JoeE on February 25, 2013, 03:17:13 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on February 25, 2013, 03:17:38 PM
Post by: Atroxus on February 25, 2013, 03:18:25 PM
With that said are you looking for an experienced turkey hunter to hunt with, or are you an experienced turkey hunter looking for a partner? If the latter would you be willing to go with someone who has never been turkey hunting?
Post by: Arnbo on February 25, 2013, 03:20:19 PM
Let me know where you and your dope smoking partners are going to be hunting so I can stay out of your way while your tromping around the woods stoned with a shotgun.:yike: :yike: :yike:
Post by: Button Nubbs on February 25, 2013, 03:22:32 PM
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on February 25, 2013, 03:23:29 PM
Post by: Becky on February 25, 2013, 03:27:10 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on February 25, 2013, 03:27:42 PM
I actually saddened to see this thread.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 25, 2013, 03:34:54 PM
Post by: Becky on February 25, 2013, 03:37:56 PM
It's legal to possess it, so I don't see a problem. Plenty of people go hunting with someone that has a bottle of Jack or a cooler of beer back at camp.
Actually I was going to say the same thing.. I see SO much discussion about drinking beer and having coolers of beer/other at their camps - it's not a crazy idea to think someone would prefer to smoke their intoxication instead of drink it. :dunno:
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 25, 2013, 03:41:30 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on February 25, 2013, 03:44:39 PM
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on February 25, 2013, 03:45:10 PM
Post by: Atroxus on February 25, 2013, 03:45:33 PM
I can't wait till this shows up on an antihunting forum. Not a great idea to post this.
Well here's a thought. If all liberals are the pot smoking hippies that some on this forum think they are, maybe making pot a part of elk camp might get some of them to stop being so anti-gun and anti-hunting.
:chuckle: :stirthepot: :chuckle:
Maybe even cure some vegans by getting them stoned at camp and then telling them "Sorry only food we have is meat." :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: jackmaster on February 25, 2013, 03:47:31 PM
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Post by: turkeyfeather on February 25, 2013, 04:15:14 PM
Post by: Wacenturion on February 25, 2013, 04:15:31 PM
Wow. I didn't know what the heck the title meant at first. Had to wait for a few responses so I didn't have to ask and look like a dummy. I'm old. And apparently out of touch with things.
Hey Jackelope...I'd did the same thing. Thought the guy was interested in finding a buddy to hunt Easterns in Unit 420, up north of Seattle. I'm old too. :chuckle:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 25, 2013, 04:26:15 PM
Times are 'a changing. Now...regarding other current legislation and what is legal I would rather smoke a joint than cuddle.:yike: Guess thats legal now :dunno: :chuckle: So I guess we can talk freely about it :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 25, 2013, 04:29:09 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 25, 2013, 04:29:33 PM
Dont see a GMU 420 in Wa state?Well then we can name it the stoner unit :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :IBCOOL:
Post by: apex_predator87 on February 25, 2013, 04:44:41 PM
like i said , not trying to offend anyone.
and giving me *censored* about it it no diffent than my giving you hell about drinking a cold one after :tup:
Post by: bigtex on February 25, 2013, 04:54:04 PM
Make sure your not on NF land when you pass the peace pipe around the campfire. :chuckle:
:yeah:
Federal officers and prosecutors are still going after marijuana offenses.
Post by: NWWA Hunter on February 25, 2013, 04:54:05 PM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on February 25, 2013, 04:57:48 PM
Make sure your not on NF land when you pass the peace pipe around the campfire. :chuckle:
:yeah:
Federal officers and prosecutors are still going after marijuana offenses.
Lol, Not a half gram, personal use offence.
Post by: KFhunter on February 25, 2013, 05:02:52 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 25, 2013, 05:03:58 PM
Post by: Arnbo on February 25, 2013, 05:18:21 PM
I assume your asking if someone wants to get up at 4:20 to turkey hunt otherwise this rates as one of the dumbest questions I have ever seen on this site.
:yeah:
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on February 25, 2013, 05:21:26 PM
Actually i could care less if people do it. Look at why it is illegal and alcohol is legal. I can't do it as i am a first responder and my job depends on me being clean to pass the random urinalysis. But if you wanna spark up have at it.
Post by: Russ McDonald on February 25, 2013, 05:56:12 PM
AFTER a good hunt and only after , would i like to spark up a j.Come on dude you didn't think you weren't going to get hazed for something like this. :chuckle: :chuckle: You also should have said sparking up after the hunt and you probably wouldn't have gotten hazed so much. Just my :twocents:
like i said , not trying to offend anyone.
and giving me *censored* about it it no diffent than my giving you hell about drinking a cold one after :tup:
Post by: Fishnfowler on February 25, 2013, 06:01:28 PM
Let me know where you and your dope smoking partners are going to be hunting so I can stay out of your way while your tromping around the woods stoned with a shotgun.
This is perfect. I will be smoking like a fiend all day every day in Kittitas County during the turkey season. Yep, I'll be stoned blind with a shotgun, no telling what I might shoot at. It would be best if everyone hunted some other county so I don't shoot you by accident. Sheer genius. I'm just warning you, I'll probably be drunk too. It would be suicide to be in the woods with me. I'll let you guys and gals know when I get my bird so it will be safe for you to come out, I suspect it will be close to the end of May.
Post by: 400out on February 25, 2013, 06:35:20 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 25, 2013, 06:47:29 PM
AFTER a good hunt and only after , would i like to spark up a j.So your comparing smoking a joint to having a beer?
like i said , not trying to offend anyone.
and giving me *censored* about it it no diffent than my giving you hell about drinking a cold one after :tup:
Post by: 3nails on February 25, 2013, 07:15:18 PM
lol nothing to add here.. just following..:yeah: :chuckle:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 25, 2013, 07:31:02 PM
So your comparing smoking a joint to having a beer?If they're both legal is there a difference? Don't they both accomplish the same thing and have the same effect? One has calories though....
Post by: h20hunter on February 25, 2013, 07:33:41 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 25, 2013, 07:38:34 PM
Seems like a legitimate question to me. As this thread has proven, many people disapprove of smoking marijuana, even though it is now legal to do so.
If he wants to find a hunting partner who won't disapprove of him smoking after the day is over, what better way to do it than post the question here?
Post by: turkeyfeather on February 25, 2013, 07:41:23 PM
Nope, if you smoke a joint you are most likely legally intoxicated. A beer in hunt camp after long day is not the same as a joint. I personally don't care if people smoke dope, but I don't want them stumbling around the woods with a gun if they are. I also don't want some idiot getting plowed at the end of the day either. We have all said guns and booze don't mix so why are we going to give this a pass?So your comparing smoking a joint to having a beer?If they're both legal is there a difference? Don't they both accomplish the same thing and have the same effect? Oneis a has calories though....
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 25, 2013, 07:42:40 PM
I don't understand why some are giving the OP a hard time for asking the question. ???
Seems like a legitimate question to me. As this thread has proven, many people disapprove of smoking marijuana, even though it is now legal to do so.
If he wants to find a hunting partner who won't disapprove of him smoking after the day is over, what better way to do it than post the question here?
My thoughts as well.
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on February 25, 2013, 07:50:13 PM
Post by: h20hunter on February 25, 2013, 07:57:05 PM
I would very interested in OG was browsing the thread and could give us some feedback on how he thinks the local wardens would treat this.
Post by: Russ McDonald on February 25, 2013, 08:01:19 PM
I have had beers in camp....and at the end of the day I've never had just a single one. I know my limits and those that smoke weed in the same manner would be expected to do the same. I think being upfront about what camp entails is a smart thing to do. I don't like cigs and have not had to share camp with smokers...just my choice. However...I'd rather you light up and share a joint that a nasty cigar. As stated...those that don't agree with the legality will still have a problem legal or not. I think the flak is because the OP was just way to vague about what he is looking for.:yeah: Now the thread went way in the other direction. I was really funny now back to the opposite way. What you want to do is fine with me but like h20hunter said the OP was way to vague on when he first asked the question.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 25, 2013, 08:04:41 PM
Oh yeah A REAL LEGITAMATE QUESTION glad he asked the question too, It exposed all the clowns that are contributing to the moral decay of this great nation.....Sucks I even took the bait and replied. Well heck if its legal lets just smoke it, or heck if it feels good it must be good! Should even be a discusion on this type of nonsense..
You don't have to post if you do not want to. I do not use it nor will I ever use it. If people want to use it responsibly and it's not hurting me or my family. I really could care less about what people do on there own time. I have a life to live and more important things to worry about then someone who wants to smoke after hunting.
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on February 25, 2013, 08:06:10 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on February 25, 2013, 08:09:23 PM
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on February 25, 2013, 08:14:00 PM
Post by: h20hunter on February 25, 2013, 08:14:31 PM
Post by: apex_predator87 on February 25, 2013, 08:15:28 PM
ive had insane sugerys time after time with the pills i couldent handle the pills, i dont drink soo.... i guess cuz i smoke to ease the pain i must be labeled as a stoner. sux but i can hang DEVIL DOGS!!! :tup:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 25, 2013, 08:16:45 PM
I thought he was very clear, he was just looking for someone with the same values to get ripped with? Thats what stoners do, makes em' feel better.
I do not see that at all. He asked if anyone would like to go hunting but be ok after the hunt if he smoked. I see no problem with what he is asking. I know a lot of very good people that use the stuff. It's there choice and as long as it's not hurting others then let them do what is legal.
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on February 25, 2013, 08:21:15 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 25, 2013, 08:22:02 PM
my hand was crushed on my 2nd tour 4 years ago when i was almost 22 and really is the only thing that helps.
ive had insane sugerys time after time with the pills i couldent handle the pills, i dont drink soo.... i guess cuz i smoke to ease the pain i must be labeled as a stoner. sux but i can hang DEVIL DOGS!!! :tup:
You don't have to explain yourself but maybe a few guys will lay off after reading that post and thank you for your service. If you are legal to use it and it helps ease the pain from a injury all the more power to you. Responsible use is what it comes down to.
My doctors have tried to get me to use it. I told them no even though I know it would probably help. They even told me if I remember right they have pills that you can take. I could never smoke it as my lungs are to valuable to me.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 25, 2013, 08:24:44 PM
My doctors have tried to get me to use it. I told them no even though I know it would probably help. They even told me if I remember right they have pills that you can take. I could never smoke it as my lungs are to valuable to me.Baked goods? Cookies or brownies?
Post by: h20hunter on February 25, 2013, 08:25:47 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 25, 2013, 08:29:01 PM
Personally....when used responsibly in camp when the guns are put away I don't view them differently. They are both legal inside the home but I don't know what a gamie would say if he/she came into camp and you were puffing away. I would be much more concerned with the loss of gear if it was punishable.
It's legal, it's not punishable, and it's none of their business.
Same with booze. They have no legal right to check blood alcohol levels in camp if no driving is involved.
Drunkenly playing with guns becomes another matter
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 25, 2013, 08:29:31 PM
My doctors have tried to get me to use it. I told them no even though I know it would probably help. They even told me if I remember right they have pills that you can take. I could never smoke it as my lungs are to valuable to me.Baked goods? Cookies or brownies?
I guess if a guy wanted to get fat by eating them :chuckle:
Post by: B.G.hunter on February 25, 2013, 08:30:19 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on February 25, 2013, 08:36:11 PM
Carpsniper...Life is just so simlpe like that isn't... :hello:
Yet he finds the time to comment on the thread anyways, funny how that works isn't it.
Iceman I am not a pothead but have smoked. I don't see how people can say they don't feel intoxicated or impaired. It's not the same as being buzzed on alcohol but I know if I drive on it I'm impaired to a degree and it absolutely impairs my decision making, slows reaction time and more than anything makes me paranoid.
Now that the OP has cleared it up I don't see a problem with it whatsoever, but most stoners I know smoke it while they are hunting, throughout the day. I feel that's what the OP meant and has backed down now, otherwise he would have worded it differently or just asked people casually how they feel about a couple hits in the evening.
Post by: Hawgdawg on February 25, 2013, 08:44:38 PM
I agree with carp to each his own WHEN the day is done and all the guns and knives are put away. It isn't hurting anybody but him and his smoking buddies. :dunno::yeah:
To each there own. But Turkey hunting maybe...but no way in deer camp!
two reasons..
They get the munchies and eat the dang lid off my yeta trying to get to my elk jerkey stash!
And the big one. What if they forgot their peace pipe and grabed your trophy buck you harvested that day and sawed it up to make a pipe. Just to risky for my blood! :twocents
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 25, 2013, 08:46:43 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 25, 2013, 08:48:49 PM
Carpsniper...Life is just so simlpe like that isn't... :hello:
Yet he finds the time to comment on the thread anyways, funny how that works isn't it.
If You are talking about me yes I am going to comment on this thread. Why would I not? part of my job is to keep the peace and there is no reason people should be jumping on someone for asking a simple question.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on February 25, 2013, 08:59:09 PM
I don't think we have figured out how to spell gonja yet.
Post by: coachcw on February 25, 2013, 09:11:25 PM
Post by: Hawgdawg on February 25, 2013, 09:13:29 PM
Tin foil or empty beer cans:bdid:
Neither of which are good for you as they are coated with more toxins that are more harmful then 1 joint being inhaled.
Told you so!!
And them darn peskie hippie hunters probably think it's good medicine to smoke out of my mulie rack!
In adittion.
They probably would pull my tag off and stick it in there pocket for Mountain money the next day on the hill! :twocents:
Post by: Dan-o on February 25, 2013, 09:43:41 PM
But, THANK YOU for your service and I hope you find a great hunting partner and put the hurt to some turkeys.
Post by: Smossy on February 25, 2013, 10:02:03 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 25, 2013, 10:08:49 PM
I don't feel that guys that smoke weed feel that they are "intoxicated" by it at all. I have heard arguements for years how you can drive, and do anything you want when stoned. What say you potheads? Does it intoxicate you to a degree? Alter your decision making process?Exactly... i used for 15 years and never was intoxicated to say the least.. the only time it effected my state of being...it would yawning to fall asleep :) if anything it made me more calm in most situations.
Post by: JoeE on February 25, 2013, 11:03:11 PM
my hand was crushed on my 2nd tour 4 years ago when i was almost 22 and really is the only thing that helps.
ive had insane sugerys time after time with the pills i couldent handle the pills, i dont drink soo.... i guess cuz i smoke to ease the pain i must be labeled as a stoner. sux but i can hang DEVIL DOGS!!! :tup:
And you're a MARINE?!! Ugh, go haze yourself, devil. And then quit smoking dope. But Semper Fi. Yut.
Post by: bigtex on February 25, 2013, 11:13:15 PM
Make sure your not on NF land when you pass the peace pipe around the campfire. :chuckle:
:yeah:
Federal officers and prosecutors are still going after marijuana offenses.
Lol, Not a half gram, personal use offence.
Yes they are. The US Attorney's Offices for Western WA, Eastern WA, and Colorado have directed federal officers to still cite/arrest for ANY marijuana. This includes medical.
Post by: bigtex on February 25, 2013, 11:18:13 PM
I would very interested in OG was browsing the thread and could give us some feedback on how he thinks the local wardens would treat this.
1- Possession of ANY amounts of marijuana (even medical) is still against federal law. Federal officers have been directed by their prosecutors to still cite for possession of marijuana on federal lands
2- Yes, it is illegal to hunt while under the influence of intoxicating liquor or drugs under RCW 77.15.675
Post by: csaaphill on February 25, 2013, 11:20:12 PM
anyone?ya not not going turkey hunting lol you asked for it though.
gl dont let em get you down.
Post by: Smossy on February 26, 2013, 12:01:39 AM
Oh yeah? Its funny what you THINK you know. I just so happend to have been pulled over by military police "federal officers" twice driving to my girlfriends house who lives next to jblm. As i hand him my driver license one said "is that a medical marijuana card?" I tell him why yes it is. He asks to see it. Also asks if i have any in the car. I happily let him know absolutely. And pulled about 70 bucks worth. And my pipe. He says is that all? I go yes sir. Then attempt to hand it to him. He didnt even want it. He said thanks you can put that away now. I pulled you over for speeding. Gave me my ticket...and i was back on my way... this was before the state even recognize d it as legal for recreational use. Oh btw. 89 doller speeding ticket for going 55 in a 45...hmm lol guess i should have been arrested!Make sure your not on NF land when you pass the peace pipe around the campfire. :chuckle:
:yeah:
Federal officers and prosecutors are still going after marijuana offenses.
Lol, Not a half gram, personal use offence.
Yes they are. The US Attorney's Offices for Western WA, Eastern WA, and Colorado have directed federal officers to still cite/arrest for ANY marijuana. This includes medical.
Post by: ellensburgpo on February 26, 2013, 12:03:57 AM
Post by: Smossy on February 26, 2013, 12:08:30 AM
MP's and Federal Agents work in very different ways. Getting a break from a 20 year old MP vs a federal agent is an apples and oranges type thing.oh so your talking dea, cia, atf? Please elaborate.
Post by: bigtex on February 26, 2013, 12:09:55 AM
MP's and Federal Agents work in very different ways. Getting a break from a 20 year old MP vs a federal agent is an apples and oranges type thing.
:yeah: Couldn't have said it better myself.
Smossy, Yes federal officers have been told to keep citing for marijuana and medical marijuana. Just because one or two officers of one agency let you go doesn't mean another will. Just like how many officers won't cite you for 55 in a 45. :twocents:
Don't believe me? Call the US Attorney's Office in Seattle at 8 AM
Post by: bigtex on February 26, 2013, 12:11:23 AM
MP's and Federal Agents work in very different ways. Getting a break from a 20 year old MP vs a federal agent is an apples and oranges type thing.oh so your talking dea, cia, atf? Please elaborate.
he is talking Forest Service, Park Service, BLM, US Fish and Wildlife, etc..
Which are the federal agencies that do most of the patrol work and the only federal officers most civilians come in contact with...
Post by: ellensburgpo on February 26, 2013, 12:14:51 AM
Post by: Smossy on February 26, 2013, 12:17:06 AM
Fair enough. Ill retract my statement then because ive yet to ever have an ancounter with one of the listed F.O. being as im retired now from that whole mmj thing. I dont plan on it ever happening. But happy smoking to everyone else.MP's and Federal Agents work in very different ways. Getting a break from a 20 year old MP vs a federal agent is an apples and oranges type thing.oh so your talking dea, cia, atf? Please elaborate.
No, he is talking Forest Service, Park Service, BLM, US Fish and Wildlife, etc..
Which are the federal agencies that do most of the patrol work and the only federal officers most civilians come in contact with...
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 26, 2013, 12:19:18 AM
Post by: Smossy on February 26, 2013, 12:21:46 AM
Yes, ATF agents, DEA, forest service, BLM,..etc etc work very differently then MPs. An MP is primarily responsible for enforcing the UCMJ. If you, a non military member, are doing something your not supposed to, but minor, why would they waste their time and military courts with you. The military has nothing vested in you, you are insignificant enough to their mission to ignore.I understand. But yet they still pull people over for going 8 over the speed limit. Still dont make no sense. If theyre there to inforce law. You think they would do so in any department. Atleast confiscate contriband.
Post by: Smossy on February 26, 2013, 12:25:59 AM
I thought this was a joke. Are we talking hunting with a firearm here? Then you should realize that smoking marijuana makes you a prohibited person under the GCA 68. This is not a moral judgment. The inference to the fact that I thought it was a joke, besides the obvious safety issues, is because I question the judgment to pose such a question, if, indeed, we are talking firearms possession.I dont see anywhere he said he was going to physically kill something while under the influence but i could be wrong. From what ive read hes more like looking for a partner to go out with and maybe camp with someone 420 friendly. Someone who may just not take offense to him lighting one up. But again thats not said anywhere everything is just up for assumption.d
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 26, 2013, 12:35:15 AM
I thought this was a joke. Are we talking hunting with a firearm here? Then you should realize that smoking marijuana makes you a prohibited person under the GCA 68. This is not a moral judgment. The inference to the fact that I thought it was a joke, besides the obvious safety issues, is because I question the judgment to pose such a question, if, indeed, we are talking firearms possession.I dont see anywhere he said he was going to physically kill something while under the influence but i could be wrong. From what ive read hes more like looking for a partner to go out with and maybe camp with someone 420 friendly. Someone who may just not take offense to him lighting one up. But again thats not said anywhere everything is just up for assumption.d
I'll admit I only scanned after reading the thread title, which does solicit a 420 friendly hunting partner. It's hard to not read into that the intention of smoking and hunting, but maybe that came in later elaboration. The only question I posed was is this going to be with a firearm. If so, I am not game to go hunting associate with a hunter willing to readily commit a felony, especially one that impacts the right to keep and bear arms, regardless of how asinine I may think the laws may be.
Post by: Smossy on February 26, 2013, 12:43:01 AM
Yeah, maybe his best bet would be to edit his description and explain what hes trying to do alittle better. Otherwise this is going to be a looooong thread lolI thought this was a joke. Are we talking hunting with a firearm here? Then you should realize that smoking marijuana makes you a prohibited person under the GCA 68. This is not a moral judgment. The inference to the fact that I thought it was a joke, besides the obvious safety issues, is because I question the judgment to pose such a question, if, indeed, we are talking firearms possession.I dont see anywhere he said he was going to physically kill something while under the influence but i could be wrong. From what ive read hes more like looking for a partner to go out with and maybe camp with someone 420 friendly. Someone who may just not take offense to him lighting one up. But again thats not said anywhere everything is just up for assumption.d
I'll admit I only scanned after reading the thread title, which does solicit a 420 friendly hunting partner. It's hard to not read into that the intention of smoking and hunting, but maybe that came in later elaboration. The only question I posed was is this going to be with a firearm. If so, I am not game to go hunting associate with a hunter willing to readily commit a felony, especially one that impacts the right to keep and bear arms, regardless of how asinine I may think the laws may be.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 26, 2013, 12:57:51 AM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 26, 2013, 04:24:01 AM
I thought this was a joke. Are we talking hunting with a firearm here? Then you should realize that smoking marijuana makes you a prohibited person under the GCA 68
As are individuals who are prescribed most sleep aids such as Ambian, anti-depressants, mood medication and those that drink four beers every night.
Because all those individuals are addicts
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 26, 2013, 05:50:54 AM
I can't wait till this shows up on an antihunting forum. Not a great idea to post this.
Well here's a thought. If all liberals are the pot smoking hippies that some on this forum think they are, maybe making pot a part of elk camp might get some of them to stop being so anti-gun and anti-hunting.
:chuckle: :stirthepot: :chuckle:
Maybe even cure some vegans by getting them stoned at camp and then telling them "Sorry only food we have is meat." :chuckle: :chuckle:
I have nothing against smoking pot and voted for the end of its prohibition. And, I am certainly pro-hunting. However, looking on an open forum for another who smokes it so you can go hunting together leaves the impression these guys will be hunting while intoxicated, true or not. I was making the observation that its another validation for the anti-gun crowd that gun owners are wacked out and dangerous. No judgments on this OP. Just the observation of how this looks to the general public. :dunno:
Post by: ICEMAN on February 26, 2013, 05:53:21 AM
Imagine the thread "Booze friendly turkey hunting partner sought."
Post by: Bob33 on February 26, 2013, 06:15:39 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on February 26, 2013, 06:21:51 AM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on February 26, 2013, 06:24:48 AM
Make sure your not on NF land when you pass the peace pipe around the campfire. :chuckle:
:yeah:
Federal officers and prosecutors are still going after marijuana offenses.
Lol, Not a half gram, personal use offence.
Yes they are. The US Attorney's Offices for Western WA, Eastern WA, and Colorado have directed federal officers to still cite/arrest for ANY marijuana. This includes medical.
Lol, like they dont have better things to do. Yes, I know they have been directed. And I know its still not legal on a fed standpoint, but lets look at it from Earth now, not Mars. When I see black helo's flying above Elk camp Ill quit hunting...
Post by: Hawgdawg on February 26, 2013, 07:15:42 AM
Make sure your not on NF land when you pass the peace pipe around the campfire. :chuckle:
:yeah:
Federal officers and prosecutors are still going after marijuana offenses.
Lol, Not a half gram, personal use offence.
Yes they are. The US Attorney's Offices for Western WA, Eastern WA, and Colorado have directed federal officers to still cite/arrest for ANY marijuana. This includes medical.
Great............Now it will be as bad as waterfowling. Excuse me Hippy Hunter, I need to see your State Med Card and your Federal card. Could you please carefully remove your stash so I can check to see if you have lead...I mean home grown and not more then three dubbies in that there fanny pack!!
And is your subscription to NRA......I mean High Times current???
Post by: h2ofowlr on February 26, 2013, 07:22:41 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on February 26, 2013, 07:42:17 AM
Hunt...in short no. Some that smoke may be impaired after a bowl.. Maybe not. Sime that drink can be impaired by a single beer, maybe not. For me it all about knowibg your substance, knowing yourself, and handling both resposibly.
That's the crux of it right there. A lot of guys have a different opinion regarding the levels of intoxication of pot and booze because they are personally familiar with one and not the other. I’ve never smoked weed with much frequency and when I do it highly affects me. I don’t trust myself to make popcorn on the stove when I’m on it. However, and I’m not proud of this, I can drive home perfectly fine after a fairly irresponsible amount of liquor. It’s probably because, like most of you, I starting drinking in high school and never stopped. I know the effects on my body and how to control it. Many guys smoke a lot and have a similar amount of control over themselves when they’re on it.
That being said, I think being intoxicated while hunting is very irresponsible, whatever the substance. When the day is done? Go for it. In that regard, there is no difference between smoking up and drinking beer.
Post by: Hunter Dug on February 26, 2013, 08:17:58 AM
For all the naysayers on this guy. Need to just shut your mouth and stop being hypocrits talking about "how bad it is for you" while you shove your mouth full of artery clogging fastfoods and high quantities of salt. Get real. Give the guy a break, atleast hes willing to be open and honest about the situation unlike alot of you people, people who are completely closed minded and hide behind your computers and think anything that you dont do...is wrong... thanks... have a nice day.
Well said.
Your both welcome at my camp.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 26, 2013, 08:27:45 AM
I thought this was a joke. Are we talking hunting with a firearm here? Then you should realize that smoking marijuana makes you a prohibited person under the GCA 68
As are individuals who are prescribed most sleep aids such as Ambian, anti-depressants, mood medication and those that drink four beers every night.
Because all those individuals are addicts
If we are talking abuse of prescription meds, perhaps. As a general proposition, however, this is wrong.
Post by: Broken Arrow on February 26, 2013, 09:27:48 AM
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on February 26, 2013, 09:43:47 AM
Oh yeah A REAL LEGITAMATE QUESTION glad he asked the question too, It exposed all the clowns that are contributing to the moral decay of this great nation.....Sucks I even took the bait and replied. Well heck if its legal lets just smoke it, or heck if it feels good it must be good! Should even be a discusion on this type of nonsense..
HUNTIN4SIX you sure don't know much about the history of our country do you. Just to be clear I do not smole Pot. I have tried it but I did not like it. The only reason Pot was outlawed was because of the hemp trade.
got this from wikipedia
In 1937 in the United States, the Marihuana Tax Act was passed, and prohibited the production of hemp in addition to cannabis. The reasons that hemp was also included in this law are disputed. Several scholars have claimed that the Act was passed in order to destroy the hemp industry,[149][150][151] largely as an effort of businessmen Andrew Mellon, Randolph Hearst, and the Du Pont family.[149][151] With the invention of the decorticator, hemp became a very cheap substitute for the paper pulp that was used in the newspaper industry.[149][152] Hearst felt that this was a threat to his extensive timber holdings. Mellon, Secretary of the Treasury and the wealthiest man in America, had invested heavily in DuPont's new synthetic fiber, nylon, and considered its success to depend on its replacement of the traditional resource, hemp.[149][153][154][155][156][157][158][159] The claims that hemp could have been a successful substitute for wood pulp have been based on an incorrect government report of 1916 which concluded that hemp hurds, broken parts of the inner core of the hemp stem, were a suitable source for paper production. This has not been confirmed by later research, as hemp hurds are not reported to be a good enough substitute. Many advocates for hemp have greatly overestimated the proportion of useful cellulose in hemp hurds. In 2003, 95% of the hemp hurds in the EU were used for animal bedding, and only about 5% were used as building material.[160][161][162][163]
As for smoking when hunting that is just foolish. IF someone wants to do it after the hunt I don't see an issue with that. Now that it's legal the difference between Pot and Beer is the same a the debate about Baiting vs not Baiting it all a matter of opinion.
Post by: h20hunter on February 26, 2013, 09:51:22 AM
Awful attempt at making a point.
Post by: bearpaw on February 26, 2013, 11:33:40 AM
HELPING OTHERS
This forum is a place for hunters to help fellow hunters whenever possible.
PRESCRIPTION DRUGS
I think it's important that we understand apex_predator87 is using a prescription drug which has been prescribed by his doctor. A drug that is argueably no more dangerous than other prescription drugs or alcohol. However, I would hope and I assume the doctor has noted when the drug should be used and when not. I presume this would mean to not use the drug while operating heavy machinery, driving vehicles, handling dangerous weapons, etc.
OPENESS & DIPLOMACY
The fact that apex_predator87 wanted to inform a potential hunting partner before he went on a hunting trip is appreciated. Obviously, many people would be offended if they found out after starting the trip, thankyou for being upfront. However, in the future I would suggest sending a message (pm) informing potential hunting partners of your prescription so that you can avoid public controversy.
LEGALITY & IMAGE
This is a prescription drug which has been prescribed for use by a doctor in the same manner as many other prescription drugs. I presume use will occur only under safe circumstances and never immediately prior to or during hunting or shooting. There is no reason to assume this is anything other than a legal activity as long as it occurs on private or state owned lands. Bigtex has provided information indicating use of this prescription drug is not legal on federally owned or administered lands, I would heed the warning.
Lastly, please understand, this forum is not a place for pot smokers to discuss their pot smoking activities.
Regards,
H-W Management
Post by: turkeydancer on February 26, 2013, 12:05:02 PM
Way to go BP ... couldn't have put it better.
Apex -
Thanks for your service ... thanks for being open & upfront ... sorry you were hurt ... take your meds, but safely for all parties. I would volunteer to take you out, but I work for the DOD which could cost my job.
:tup:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 26, 2013, 01:08:14 PM
PRESCRIPTION DRUGS
I think it's important that we understand apex_predator87 is using a prescription drug which has been prescribed by his doctor. A drug that is argueably no more dangerous than other prescription drugs or alcohol. However, I would hope and I assume the doctor has noted when the drug should be used and when not. I presume this would mean to not use the drug while operating heavy machinery, driving vehicles, handling dangerous weapons, etc.
In the spirit of helping, I offer this:
http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2011/09/092611-atf-open-letter-to-all-ffls-marijuana-for-medicinal-purposes.pdf (http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2011/09/092611-atf-open-letter-to-all-ffls-marijuana-for-medicinal-purposes.pdf)
If anyone is knowledgeable about a reference or source that countermands this, I'd be happy to read it.
It's important for those at risk of losing their rights and privileges to understand what is at stake. This is not provided as a crusade against anything other than ignorance of the law. I'd hate to see someone on here bemoaning how they lost their firearm, privilege to hunt, right to self defense, a small fortune in attorney fees, and/or their freedom, because they were not aware that it remains a felony to use prescription MJ, however legal under state law, and possess a firearm.
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OPEN LETTER TO ALL FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSEES
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has received a number of inquiries regarding the use of marijuana for medicinal purposes and its applicability to Federal firearms laws. The purpose of this open letter is to provide guidance on the issue and to assist you, a Federal firearms licensee, in complying with Federal firearms laws and regulations.
A number of States have passed legislation allowing under State law the use or possession of marijuana for medicinal purposes, and some of these States issue a card authorizing the holder to use or possess marijuana under State law. During a firearms transaction, a potential transferee may advise you that he or she is a user of medical marijuana, or present a medical marijuana card as identification or proof of residency.
As you know, Federal law, 18 U.S.c. § 922(g)(3), prohibits any person who is an "unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802))" from shipping, transporting, receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition. Marijuana is listed in the Controlled Substances Act as a Schedule I controlled substance, and there are no exceptions in Federal law for marijuana purportedly used for medicinal purposes, even if such use is sanctioned by State law. Further, Federal law, 18 U.S.C. § 922(d)(3), makes it unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person is an unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance. As provided by 27 C.F.R. § 478.11, "an inference of current use may be drawn from evidence of a recent use or possession of a controlled substance or a pattern of use or possession that reasonably covers the present time."
Therefore, any person who uses or is addicted to marijuana, regardless of whether his or her State has passed legislation authorizing marijuana use for medicinal purposes, is an unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance, and is prohibited by Federal law from possessing firearms or ammunition. Such persons should answer "yes" to question 11.e. on ATF Form 4473 (August 2008), Firearms Transaction Record, and you may not transfer firearms or ammunition to them. Further, if you are aware that the potential transferee is in possession of a card authorizing the possession and use of marijuana under State law, then you have "reasonable cause to believe" that the person is an unlawful user of a controlled substance. As such, you may not transfer firearms or ammunition to the person, even if the person answered "no" to question 11.e. on ATF Form 4473.
ETA: Denninger comments.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=216807 (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=216807)
Post by: bearpaw on February 26, 2013, 01:36:23 PM
It appears that the federal government still considers it a felony to use prescription marijuana so it is illegal for that person to own firearms or ammunition?
It also appears that it's a felony for a firearms dealer to sell firearms or amunition if they know the person uses or is a carrier of a medical marijuana card?
Is it illegal for any private party to sell firearms or ammunition to a person they know to be a carrier of a medical marijuana card?
Would another person who accompanies a person they know to be a carrier of a medical marijuana card or someone who they know smokes marijuana be guilty for knowing of this and not reporting it to a federal agent?
These are important questions that everyone should know.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 26, 2013, 02:29:02 PM
Thanks for the info Fl0und3rz, can anyone answer a few questions that this raises?
It appears that the federal government still considers it a felony to use prescription marijuana so it is illegal for that person to own firearms or ammunition?
I don't know whether it is simple MJ use that qualifies as a federal felony. What I was referring to as a risk of being charged with a federal felony was the possession of a firearm by a person who would answer, "yes" if they answered truthfully, to the question 11.e about use of controlled substances.
It also appears that it's a felony for a firearms dealer to sell firearms or amunition if they know the person uses or is a carrier of a medical marijuana card?
Is it illegal for any private party to sell firearms or ammunition to a person they know to be a carrier of a medical marijuana card?
That's my read on the first. On the second, I don't believe there to be any provision in the below quoted text to distinguish between a seller from a private collection and FFL dealer, other than the fact that the seller is not legally required to ask about an MJ card. If they ask or already know, the quoted text makes no distinction.
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Marijuana is listed in the Controlled Substances Act as a Schedule I controlled substance, and there are no exceptions in Federal law for marijuana purportedly used for medicinal purposes, even if such use is sanctioned by State law. Further, Federal law, 18 U.S.C. § 922(d)(3), makes it unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person is an unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance. As provided by 27 C.F.R. § 478.11, "an inference of current use may be drawn from evidence of a recent use or possession of a controlled substance or a pattern of use or possession that reasonably covers the present time."
Would another person who accompanies a person they know to be a carrier of a medical marijuana card or someone who they know smokes marijuana be guilty for knowing of this and not reporting it to a federal agent?
This is the sticky part for someone accompanying an MJ card holder or known user/possesser on a hunt with a firearm. Simply accompanying and not reporting? Likely not, absent some affirmative duty to report. But are you an accessory after the fact? A co-conspirator? Are you aiding and abetting? Are you, for example, allowing such a person in your tent, MJ possession, or not, or are you transporting a person capable of being arrested on federal felony charges, current MJ possession or not? Does any of this matter, when there is the possibility of an overzealous prosecutor charging you despite a low likelihood of conviction, when the stakes are so high, and when LE has a financial incentive to seize property under civil forfeiture laws to make questionable seizures and arrests?
The answer to the last hypothetical for me is no. It is simply not worth it.
These are important questions that everyone should know.
Agreed. I apologize to all those who are made second class citizens by this interplay of federal and state laws (glances askance at Obama DoJ), but it cannot be wished away, and people need to know.
And posting on the internet about MJ use or med MJ card possession, especially regarding hunting with a firearm is probably not a good idea either.
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on February 26, 2013, 02:43:33 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 26, 2013, 03:00:18 PM
"Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"
I have not seen one subsequent to that version.
Post by: h20hunter on February 26, 2013, 03:04:59 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 26, 2013, 03:27:57 PM
Post by: bigtex on February 26, 2013, 03:51:23 PM
It appears that the federal government still considers it a felony to use prescription marijuana so it is illegal for that person to own firearms or ammunition?
It also appears that it's a felony for a firearms dealer to sell firearms or amunition if they know the person uses or is a carrier of a medical marijuana card?
Is it illegal for any private party to sell firearms or ammunition to a person they know to be a carrier of a medical marijuana card?
Would another person who accompanies a person they know to be a carrier of a medical marijuana card or someone who they know smokes marijuana be guilty for knowing of this and not reporting it to a federal agent?
"Simple" possession of marijuana is not a federal felony. The federal officers who would most likely issue these citations are the federal land management agencies (Forest Service, Park Service, etc). When you are charged for simple possession of marijuana you are charged under the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR). As far as I know there aren't felonies in the CFR, but only in the US Code (USC). I believe these offenses are federal Class B Misdemeanors which carry a fine up to $5,000 and/or 6 months in jail. The way federal fines/penalties for citations work is done by each US district. WA is split into a Western and Eastern District. So the fine for an offense in W WA may be $100, but in E WA it's $125, doesn't make since but that is how it is. There are some US Districts where simple possession of marijuana is actually just a fine, I know Colorado it is $125, Southern California it is $300/400. However in W WA it is a mandatory court appearance, not sure about E WA.
One of the issues with medical marijuana, and now legalized marijuana in WA and CO have been the firearms regs. As far as I know no case has been made for someone selling a gun to a marijuana patient or now legalized user. I think it truely is one of those laws where yes it is on the books, but nobody is truely enforcing it. It is a lot easier to go after someone illegally selling medical marijuana or whatever, then a gun salesman who sold it to a marijuana patient.
Post by: h20hunter on February 26, 2013, 03:54:21 PM
Post by: bigtex on February 26, 2013, 03:57:08 PM
Tex.....do you have a feeling how things would go if a warden came into camp to check licenses....say all is fine, no infractions, yet I'm enjoying a hand rolled bit of mary jane. Currently I would expect that I'm not worth the wardens time for that alone. Obviously not trying to pin you down to a blanket statement.....more a gut feeling on how you think that would go.
If it is WDFW they cannot do anything, you are not breaking state law (as long as you are 21). If it is a federal officer, such as a US Forest Service Officer they would cite you.
Interesting thing to know is that in California it is against state law to possess marijuana on federal land, there is no such law in WA.
Post by: h20hunter on February 26, 2013, 03:57:53 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 26, 2013, 04:48:46 PM
I thought this was a joke. Are we talking hunting with a firearm here? Then you should realize that smoking marijuana makes you a prohibited person under the GCA 68
As are individuals who are prescribed most sleep aids such as Ambian, antidepressants, mood medication and those that drink four beers every night.
Because all those individuals are addicts
If we are talking abuse of prescription meds, perhaps. As a general proposition, however, this is wrong.
I stand by my analysis:
Interesting. April 2012 version of 4473 asks:
"Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"
I have not seen one subsequent to that version.
After first hand witnessing others close to me, people who are prescribed sleep aids and antidepressants are fully addicted to depressant and stimulant drugs, often simultaneously.
We don't worry about these individuals owning guns ( but maybe we should after Newtown, Gabby Gifford, etc etc etc), but are in a tizzy about the legality of a gun owner who may light up a doobie after a hard day at ATC.
Post by: Bob33 on February 26, 2013, 05:26:43 PM
Tex.....do you have a feeling how things would go if a warden came into camp to check licenses....say all is fine, no infractions, yet I'm enjoying a hand rolled bit of mary jane. Currently I would expect that I'm not worth the wardens time for that alone. Obviously not trying to pin you down to a blanket statement.....more a gut feeling on how you think that would go.
If it is WDFW they cannot do anything, you are not breaking state law (as long as you are 21). If it is a federal officer, such as a US Forest Service Officer they would cite you.
Interesting thing to know is that in California it is against state law to possess marijuana on federal land, there is no such law in WA.
What would a federal officer cite you for that a WDFW officer could not?
Post by: bigtex on February 26, 2013, 05:27:46 PM
Tex.....do you have a feeling how things would go if a warden came into camp to check licenses....say all is fine, no infractions, yet I'm enjoying a hand rolled bit of mary jane. Currently I would expect that I'm not worth the wardens time for that alone. Obviously not trying to pin you down to a blanket statement.....more a gut feeling on how you think that would go.
If it is WDFW they cannot do anything, you are not breaking state law (as long as you are 21). If it is a federal officer, such as a US Forest Service Officer they would cite you.
Interesting thing to know is that in California it is against state law to possess marijuana on federal land, there is no such law in WA.
What would a federal officer cite you for that a WDFW officer could not?
Possession of marijuana on federal land. WDFW Officers (or any state/local officer) cannot cite for that offense.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 26, 2013, 05:46:20 PM
What would a federal officer cite you for that a WDFW officer could not?
Bogarting
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 26, 2013, 05:55:33 PM
"Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"
Another thread, where the dangers of legal addiction to anti-depressants and stimulants is explored. In this case, where possession of firearms is also prohibited, there is little talk of enforcing the law. As Wapitihunter(deux) so clearly demonstrates, there is ample reason to believe the the law should in fact be enforced.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,117739.msg1552005.html#msg1552005 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,117739.msg1552005.html#msg1552005)
Post by: bearpaw on February 26, 2013, 06:26:05 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 26, 2013, 06:50:19 PM
Post by: bigtex on February 26, 2013, 06:55:52 PM
So what you guys are telling me is that if someone has a Smoke Card and your on national forest land taking a puff and the federal dudes show up can get cited for possession ? But any local warden or police officer can not
Correct
Post by: bearpaw on February 26, 2013, 07:23:14 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 26, 2013, 08:16:10 PM
I thought this was a joke. Are we talking hunting with a firearm here? Then you should realize that smoking marijuana makes you a prohibited person under the GCA 68
As are individuals who are prescribed most sleep aids such as Ambian, antidepressants, mood medication and those that drink four beers every night.
Because all those individuals are addicts
If we are talking abuse of prescription meds, perhaps. As a general proposition, however, this is wrong.
I stand by my analysis:Interesting. April 2012 version of 4473 asks:
"Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"
I have not seen one subsequent to that version.
After first hand witnessing others close to me, people who are prescribed sleep aids and antidepressants are fully addicted to depressant and stimulant drugs, often simultaneously.
We don't worry about these individuals owning guns ( but maybe we should after Newtown, Gabby Gifford, etc etc etc), but are in a tizzy about the legality of a gun owner who may light up a doobie after a hard day at ATC.
Your analysis is flawed. A simple user of prescription meds is not necessarily addicted or unlawful. Thus, a blanket statement that a user of such meds is an addict, and as a cosequence, is a prohibited person is wrong. However, a simple MJ user is is an unlawful user and is a prohibited person, according to federal law, regardless of being an addict. And a med MJ card holder is also prohibited according to BATFE.
Edited to add that prescription meds and their abuses or addiction is OT to the OP. I'll agree that such addicts and abusers or unlawful users of prescription meds should have scrutiny, but that is a separate topic. Simple MJ use including med MJ use (as opposed to addiction) is specifically called out in GCA68 and BATFE interpretations, and because of that, people should be aware.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 26, 2013, 08:30:30 PM
no doubt it will get tested in WA or CO.... maybe CA :dunno:
After a quick glance on the internet, some say the feds lost such a test, at least as regards med MJ, in OR. That's all I got, other than to say that such cases, if they exist, may be highly fact specific and/or inapplicable to many conceivable scenarios.
Post by: bobcat on February 26, 2013, 08:45:57 PM
It says "an unlawful user of marijuana."
Well, if you're using it in Washington, and you're over 21, you are NOT an unlawful user.
Post by: dscubame on February 26, 2013, 08:51:06 PM
What would a federal officer cite you for that a WDFW officer could not?
Bogarting
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Bob33 on February 26, 2013, 08:58:06 PM
Fl0und3rz, I interpret it differently than you.According to federal law, marijuana is not legal and therein lies the issue.
It says "an unlawful user of marijuana."
Well, if you're using it in Washington, and you're over 21, you are NOT an unlawful user.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 26, 2013, 09:04:01 PM
Your analysis is flawed. A simple user of prescription meds is not necessarily addicted or unlawful. Thus, a blanket statement that a user of such meds is an addict, and as a co sequence, is a prohibited person is wrong. However, a simple MJ user is is an unlawful user and is a prohibited person, according to federal law, regardless of being an addict. And a med MJ card holder is also prohibited according to BATFE.
Edited to add that prescription meds and their abuses or addiction is OT to the OP. I'll agree that such addicts and abusers or unlawful users of prescription meds should have scrutiny, but that is a separate topic. Simple MJ use including med MJ use (as opposed to addiction) is specifically called out in GCA68 and BATFE interpretations, and because of that, people should be aware.
1) Have you ever seen a user of anti-depressants or mood medication quit? Even if they want to, they often fail because of the level of their addiction to these prescribed medicines.
2) How about those that drink too much? Alcohol is a depressant. Thereby alcoholics are addicted to drugs and are ineligible to posses firearms. Furthermore, as AA and others so often say, once an addict - always an addict. Thereby, even those who have successfully gone thru treatment and have been clean and sober for years should face the same legal jeopardy as the occasional pot smoker.
I maintain that the government is only very selectively enforcing this law.
And actually almost this entire thread is OT to the OP
Post by: bobcat on February 26, 2013, 09:14:44 PM
Fl0und3rz, I interpret it differently than you.According to federal law, marijuana is not legal and therein lies the issue.
It says "an unlawful user of marijuana."
Well, if you're using it in Washington, and you're over 21, you are NOT an unlawful user.
I realize that is the issue, but if a person is in possessioin of marijuana in their home, or camp, or other private place, they won't be charged with a crime. Not by the state, and not by the feds. So is it really unlawful?
Post by: slayerofthesea on February 26, 2013, 09:38:02 PM
Post by: bigtex on February 26, 2013, 09:45:51 PM
Fl0und3rz, I interpret it differently than you.According to federal law, marijuana is not legal and therein lies the issue.
It says "an unlawful user of marijuana."
Well, if you're using it in Washington, and you're over 21, you are NOT an unlawful user.
I realize that is the issue, but if a person is in possessioin of marijuana in their home, or camp, or other private place, they won't be charged with a crime. Not by the state, and not by the feds. So is it really unlawful?
Unless camp is on federal lands :chuckle:
Post by: Practical Approach on February 26, 2013, 10:03:05 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 26, 2013, 10:09:55 PM
Fl0und3rz, I interpret it differently than you.
It says "an unlawful user of marijuana."
Well, if you're using it in Washington, and you're over 21, you are NOT an unlawful user.
And if you are simultaneously in the US, you are an unlawful user, according to federal law. Unfortunately for you, the feds interpretation governs.
Post by: bobcat on February 26, 2013, 10:13:41 PM
Fl0und3rz, I interpret it differently than you.
It says "an unlawful user of marijuana."
Well, if you're using it in Washington, and you're over 21, you are NOT an unlawful user.
And if you are simultaneously in the US, you are an unlawful user, according to federal law. Unfortunately for you, the feds interpretation governs.
Maybe that's true, however, I'm not sure why it's unfortunate for me. :dunno:
Post by: xd2005 on February 26, 2013, 10:16:02 PM
Ok, sorry, rant over.
Post by: slayerofthesea on February 26, 2013, 10:18:04 PM
So what you guys are telling me is that if someone has a Smoke Card and your on national forest land taking a puff and the federal dudes show up can get cited for possession ? But any local warden or police officer can not
Correct
it would be dropped in a heart beat in court if it was in Wa state.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 26, 2013, 10:23:22 PM
1) Have you ever seen a user of anti-depressants or mood medication quit? Even if they want to, they often fail because of the level of their addiction to these prescribed medicines.
Yes.
2) How about those that drink too much? Alcohol is a depressant. Thereby alcoholics are addicted to drugs and are ineligible to posses firearms. Furthermore, as AA and others so often say, once an addict - always an addict. Thereby, even those who have successfully gone thru treatment and have been clean and sober for years should face the same legal jeopardy as the occasional pot smoker.
Also yes. Fortunately or unfortunately, AA's interpretation of federal law bears no weight in the matter.
I maintain that the government is only very selectively enforcing this law.
And actually almost this entire thread is OT to the OP
Regardless, it is the government's interpretation and enforcement that matters, not your own, unfortunate as that may be or how we might both agree it would be better.
Maybe that's true, however, I'm not sure why it's unfortunate for me. :dunno:
Granted, "unfortunate" may have been a poor choice of words, unless you choose to avail yourself of that interpretation and risk the consequences, unwittingly.
Post by: JoeE on February 26, 2013, 10:25:34 PM
So what you guys are telling me is that if someone has a Smoke Card and your on national forest land taking a puff and the federal dudes show up can get cited for possession ? But any local warden or police officer can not
Correct
it would be dropped in a heart beat in court if it was in Wa state.
Unless it was cited into Federal Court, then it doesn't matter what state you're in.
Post by: Hawgdawg on February 26, 2013, 10:30:39 PM
But you don't understand mr Moose and Goose...I have a state stamp!!Fl0und3rz, I interpret it differently than you.According to federal law, marijuana is not legal and therein lies the issue.
It says "an unlawful user of marijuana."
Well, if you're using it in Washington, and you're over 21, you are NOT an unlawful user.
Post by: slayerofthesea on February 26, 2013, 10:31:29 PM
Post by: Bob33 on February 26, 2013, 10:32:29 PM
Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic, or any controlled substance?
If state law allows a person to use marijuana for medical reasons or recreational reasons, but federal law doesn’t, does that make the marijuana use “unlawful”?
According to a September 21, 2011 opinion letter from the ATF, the answer is “yes” –medical marijuana users are unlawful users according to federal law regardless of what state law says.
Post by: slayerofthesea on February 26, 2013, 10:37:12 PM
Consider this: section 11 of ATF form 4473 asks twelve questions related to eligibility to purchase a firearm. Lying on the form is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison. ATF form 4473 specifically asks about marijuana use in section 11.e.:
Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic, or any controlled substance?
If state law allows a person to use marijuana for medical reasons or recreational reasons, but federal law doesnt, does that make the marijuana use unlawful?
According to a September 21, 2011 opinion letter from the ATF, the answer is yes medical marijuana users are unlawful users according to federal law regardless of what state law says.
but the feds also say the states have the right to make there own laws. everyone voted on the law they passed it we can smoke it in wa the feds wont do anything about us smoking it. if you kep up on current new on it the feds said they will let wa state keep the law. so it is legal in wa now.
Post by: slayerofthesea on February 26, 2013, 10:40:32 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 28, 2013, 06:10:36 AM
Consider this: section 11 of ATF form 4473 asks twelve questions related to eligibility to purchase a firearm. Lying on the form is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison. ATF form 4473 specifically asks about marijuana use in section 11.e.:
Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic, or any controlled substance?
If state law allows a person to use marijuana for medical reasons or recreational reasons, but federal law doesn’t, does that make the marijuana use “unlawful”?
According to a September 21, 2011 opinion letter from the ATF, the answer is “yes” –medical marijuana users are unlawful users according to federal law regardless of what state law says.
But is a lay person residing in a state where marijuana is legal required to parse the ATF form and research enough to kbnow that they are an unlawful user? Or will they answer "no", they are not an unlawful user because dope is legal in Washington.
It is also the opinion of ATF, a long ways from a court opinion. It's very unlikely anyone will be prosecuted under this law
Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 28, 2013, 06:32:00 AM
Consider this: section 11 of ATF form 4473 asks twelve questions related to eligibility to purchase a firearm. Lying on the form is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison. ATF form 4473 specifically asks about marijuana use in section 11.e.:
Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic, or any controlled substance?
If state law allows a person to use marijuana for medical reasons or recreational reasons, but federal law doesn’t, does that make the marijuana use “unlawful”?
According to a September 21, 2011 opinion letter from the ATF, the answer is “yes” –medical marijuana users are unlawful users according to federal law regardless of what state law says.
But is a lay person residing in a state where marijuana is legal required to parse the ATF form and research enough to kbnow that they are an unlawful user? Or will they answer "no", they are not an unlawful user because dope is legal in Washington.
It is also the opinion of ATF, a long ways from a court opinion. It's very unlikely anyone will be prosecuted under this law
To which the federal prosecutor replies: "Ignorance of the law is no excuse, son."
Post by: Atroxus on February 28, 2013, 07:23:46 AM
Consider this: section 11 of ATF form 4473 asks twelve questions related to eligibility to purchase a firearm. Lying on the form is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison. ATF form 4473 specifically asks about marijuana use in section 11.e.:
Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic, or any controlled substance?
If state law allows a person to use marijuana for medical reasons or recreational reasons, but federal law doesn’t, does that make the marijuana use “unlawful”?
According to a September 21, 2011 opinion letter from the ATF, the answer is “yes” –medical marijuana users are unlawful users according to federal law regardless of what state law says.
But is a lay person residing in a state where marijuana is legal required to parse the ATF form and research enough to kbnow that they are an unlawful user? Or will they answer "no", they are not an unlawful user because dope is legal in Washington.
It is also the opinion of ATF, a long ways from a court opinion. It's very unlikely anyone will be prosecuted under this law
You may be right. But all it will take is some gung-ho ATF supervisor, and someone at DoJ to back their play; then some otherwise innocent man has the choice of going into bankruptcy to mount a legal defense, or pleading out to a federal felony. I have been going back and forth on this for awhile now and changed my mind several times, personally at this time it's not worth the risk for me until/unless we get these laws officially recognized at the federal level, or federal laws change. :twocents:
Post by: Smossy on February 28, 2013, 02:17:22 PM
This thread needs to be locked. :stirthepot:
Post by: Smossy on February 28, 2013, 02:19:04 PM
Post by: h20hunter on February 28, 2013, 02:27:14 PM
Post by: bearpaw on February 28, 2013, 02:29:23 PM
We left this topic active because when you sort through all the opinions there are posts made with important info regarding the federal laws surrounding marijauna use and firearms that all hunters and gun owners should know in order to avoid trouble and loss of rights.
Post by: Smossy on February 28, 2013, 02:29:38 PM
Yah know Smossy...I thing regardless of what is legal and what is not some folks will always believe one thing. Age, gender, heritage, experiences in life....all those things will contribute to the opinoin of okay or not regardless of legal or not. Just the way it is. If I walked into a camp to say hello and maybe swap a few lies I wouldn't care if I smelled weed or whiskey. I'd base my judgment on the actions that were represented....not by what they were consuming.Unless it was with needles, hot spoons, or broken bubble shaped glass with burnt ends..... lol Otherwise Im right with you man.
Post by: h20hunter on February 28, 2013, 02:30:49 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 28, 2013, 02:32:44 PM
I don't smoke and have no desire to smoke pot, but I did vote to legalize it because I think our prisons are full of people that I don't think really belong there and I think full legalization would actally reduce crime, but that's just my opinion which means little.Yeah your right yet again. People just keep digging deeper and deeper though. I dont think as long as people keep it at theyre camp everything should be perfectly fine. Smoking a doobie then picking up a gun though immedietly after, hmm :bdid: :bdid: and I do agree, Ive personally met too many people during my incarceration who were doing years for simple possession charges. Its ridiculous. When ALOT of rapists get off with a slap on the wrist and are told "dont do it again, make sure you register" like wtf? Just makes no sense to me the states priorities.
We left this topic active because when you sort through all the opinions there are posts made with important info regarding the federal laws surrounding marijauna use and firearms that all hunters and gun owners should know in order to avoid trouble and loss of rights.
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 28, 2013, 02:34:05 PM
I think that smoking weed is better then drinking and what if he is just looking for a guy who dosent care if he does while they are hunting. I have a friend who is like that. I partake some times not alot i could pass a ua. but remember saftey first, then team work :-)isnt anyone gonna jump him for the drug dealer's quote? :chuckle:
Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 28, 2013, 02:36:39 PM
This thread needs to be locked. :stirthepot:
This thread has been by and large civil. There is no reason to lock it. If you don't like it, don't participate.
KOR, non dope smoker since 1992.
Post by: Smossy on February 28, 2013, 02:36:55 PM
Drug dealer?I think that smoking weed is better then drinking and what if he is just looking for a guy who dosent care if he does while they are hunting. I have a friend who is like that. I partake some times not alot i could pass a ua. but remember saftey first, then team work :-)isnt anyone gonna jump him for the drug dealer's quote? :chuckle:
Post by: Smossy on February 28, 2013, 02:44:01 PM
This thread needs to be locked. :stirthepot:
This thread has been by and large civil. There is no reason to lock it. If you don't like it, don't participate.
KOR, non dope smoker since 1992.
Smossy = Retired Medical Patient
Post by: h20hunter on February 28, 2013, 02:47:29 PM
Post by: Smossy on February 28, 2013, 02:50:57 PM
Boo yah....Smossy just became hunting buddy numero uno for those that need to relax a bit more in camp. Brownie anyone?lol Im friendly to it, But I wont participate. Im trying to cleanse myself and be as healthy as can be. Im just going to have to deal my pains on my own, Not trying to have to rely on anything to function properly but food and water. Does get hard at times for my hands. Had reconstructive surgery and have arthritis in my right hand. Going to be interesting to see how this plays out when Im actually hunting and sitting in the cold for hours.
Plus JOB hunting is rough when you cant give a clean U.A.
Post by: h20hunter on February 28, 2013, 02:54:36 PM
Post by: fillthefreezer on February 28, 2013, 02:56:23 PM
ya , sol, from pineapple express. thats what the end of his quote was... :dunno:Drug dealer?I think that smoking weed is better then drinking and what if he is just looking for a guy who dosent care if he does while they are hunting. I have a friend who is like that. I partake some times not alot i could pass a ua. but remember saftey first, then team work :-)isnt anyone gonna jump him for the drug dealer's quote? :chuckle:
Post by: Smossy on February 28, 2013, 03:00:21 PM
I bet......keep an extra supply of handwarmers ready to go.Always have em in my bag buddy :) <3 Thanks for your worries about a brotha.
Post by: Smossy on February 28, 2013, 03:01:16 PM
Oh lolya , sol, from pineapple express. thats what the end of his quote was... :dunno:Drug dealer?I think that smoking weed is better then drinking and what if he is just looking for a guy who dosent care if he does while they are hunting. I have a friend who is like that. I partake some times not alot i could pass a ua. but remember saftey first, then team work :-)isnt anyone gonna jump him for the drug dealer's quote? :chuckle:
You guys are right, toucheI don't smoke and have no desire to smoke pot, but I did vote to legalize it because I think our prisons are full of people that I don't think really belong there and I think full legalization would actally reduce crime, but that's just my opinion which means little.And I personally thank you for not locking it and for those providing valuable information. Some may not be aware or are to afraid to ask. Seeing as there are many members not afraid to ask or voice their opinions here, the better educated we will become whether you agree or disagree.
We left this topic active because when you sort through all the opinions there are posts made with important info regarding the federal laws surrounding marijauna use and firearms that all hunters and gun owners should know in order to avoid trouble and loss of rights.
Hrd
Post by: Hawgdawg on February 28, 2013, 05:05:33 PM
Marijuana has only been illegal since 1937 and thats only because it was the leading competitor to the timber industry.... It's not a recently discovered plant. Its known use dates back to 7,000 B.C., and can be used for textiles, rope, paper and much more. In fact, you could have been jailed for not growing hemp between 1763 and 1767 in the United States, and you could even pay your taxes with hemp. I wouldn't advise trying that today lol but even George Washington had Cannabis/Hemp Farms. Guess hes P.O.S Dope smoking criminal. Give it a rest.
This thread needs to be locked. :stirthepot:
Here you go Smoosy, I will supply it you lock it. I gotta go check on my hippy neighbors to make sure there not burning one!
Post by: slayerofthesea on February 28, 2013, 05:46:19 PM
Post by: Worldhunter on March 14, 2013, 08:50:26 PM
Post by: NWTFhunter on March 20, 2013, 09:08:01 PM
Post by: Hawgdawg on March 20, 2013, 09:47:04 PM
I think it funny how many people on this thread said they use, or dont mind the use. Wouldnt it be funny if DOJ pulled all those with a card in and confiscated all your firearms ? What kills me about all these people who are in favor of smoking pot in Wa and Co dont understand it is a FEDERAL OFFENSE. I dont use the crap, and have arrested/had arrested anyone I came accross that possesed or use the crap.
Holli Krap ola.....North Dokata has internet now??
Post by: Smossy on March 21, 2013, 12:05:32 AM
I think it funny how many people on this thread said they use, or dont mind the use. Wouldnt it be funny if DOJ pulled all those with a card in and confiscated all your firearms ? What kills me about all these people who are in favor of smoking pot in Wa and Co dont understand it is a FEDERAL OFFENSE. I dont use the crap, and have arrested/had arrested anyone I came accross that possesed or use the crap.Sure, but I dont and have never owned a firearm. What are they gonna do, confiscate my kitchen utensils..? :chuckle:
Post by: elk247 on March 21, 2013, 01:23:45 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 21, 2013, 08:18:49 AM
I think it funny how many people on this thread said they use, or dont mind the use. Wouldnt it be funny if DOJ pulled all those with a card in and confiscated all your firearms ? What kills me about all these people who are in favor of smoking pot in Wa and Co dont understand it is a FEDERAL OFFENSE. I dont use the crap, and have arrested/had arrested anyone I came accross that possesed or use the crap.
You're offering this guy, the OP, all your turkey hunting spots you don't use anymore in his other 15 threads about where to go turkey hunting.
:chuckle:
Post by: TeacherMan on March 21, 2013, 08:28:42 AM
DOOD, I forgot my shotgun was loaded? :sry:Platoon Smoke Scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGRLTFi--lY#)
This thread is what I needed before work this morning :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: BsB on March 21, 2013, 08:36:44 AM
We are all here because of shared interests. Mostly hunting. This obviously isn't an interest most here share. There is no need to bash the OP for looking for like minded people. I'd consider it like crapping on a WTS ad. If you aren't interested don't post and move on.
I for one would hunt with the OP any day, but I don't hunt turkey. I see nothing wrong with relaxing back at camp AFTER a long day of hunting. To each their own. Remember, a drug is a drug is a drug. Doesn't matter if its prescribed or not. The government just feels a need to put each drug on a different pedestal.
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Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 21, 2013, 08:53:01 AM
The government just feels a need to put each drug on a different pedestal.
That, and the fact that the government considers what the OP may have been describing, if with a firearm, as a felony. Apologies for your hurt sensitivities, but until the federal government changes its stance, I would not want to hunt with anyone that is contemplating or is in the act of committing a federal felony, regardless of how much I like the guy, agree with his choices, honor his service to this country, and so on.
The fact that firearm possession and marijuana use is a felony is a cold hard reality, regardless of any moral stance on the issue.
Post by: magnanimous_j on March 21, 2013, 08:56:24 AM
I think it funny how many people on this thread said they use, or dont mind the use. Wouldnt it be funny if DOJ pulled all those with a card in and confiscated all your firearms ? What kills me about all these people who are in favor of smoking pot in Wa and Co dont understand it is a FEDERAL OFFENSE. I dont use the crap, and have arrested/had arrested anyone I came accross that possesed or use the crap.
I bet you're real fun at parties.
Post by: h20hunter on March 21, 2013, 08:57:37 AM
Post by: CoryTDF on March 21, 2013, 09:03:13 AM
As far as hunting with a pot head that is the same as hunting with a drunk to me. The difference that i see is that more people who smoke pot seem to have a feeling that they are just as aware and alert as when they are sober. They seem to be more willing to do things while under the influence than people who have been drinking. This is not a blanket statement of course as I know lots of people who think they can do the same on alcohol. I don't agree with it either way but i do find more stoned people willing to drive and carry on with day to day than drunk people. It's not about which is worse it's about a person’s reckless decision to do things while impaired.
No matter how awesome you think you are you cannot do things under the influence better or as good as you can while sober. Unless you’re talking about making an ass out of yourself then being impaired helps.
I would not hunt with a person who has been smoking just as I would not hunt with a person who I thought was drunk. At the camp fire after the day is dint that is a different story. I still do not like marijuana and choose to be around it as little as possible but if it's under control and away from guns and cars then that is a personal decision that I can’t argue with.
And as far as the prison talk goes, I work with inmates every day and you would be surprised how many of them still agree that it should not be legal. There are not very many people who are in prison for strictly marijuana. I have spoken to plenty of people who credit marijuana as the direct cause for their recidivism. However, the same could be said for alcohol.
Post by: jackelope on March 21, 2013, 09:08:27 AM
We have a couple beers around the campfire at night after hunting. When I say a couple I mean that literally...usually no more than 2 or 3. I guess my crowd has aged to the point that we don't drink while on hunting or fishing trips because we don't want it to make us feel like crap the next day and ruin the hunt. I guess what I'm saying is we're a bunch of old farts now that can't handle it.
I've never smoked pot so I can't comment on the way one feels after smoking it.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 21, 2013, 09:12:22 AM
If you're smoking some weed around the campfire and your shotgun is in the tent, is that a felony? If your weed and your shotgun is in the tent? Just curious
Check some of my posts up thread, I believe I covered it in this thread (look for the ATF letter). Short version: having a medical marijuana card makes you a prohibited possessor as does being an active user. Facts and circumstances would determine whether or not you are considered to be a user of MJ for the purpose of the GCA enforcement.
Post by: h20hunter on March 21, 2013, 09:16:07 AM
Post by: bigtex on March 21, 2013, 09:18:03 AM
If you're smoking some weed around the campfire and your shotgun is in the tent, is that a felony? If your weed and your shotgun is in the tent? Just curious
Check some of my posts up thread, I believe I covered it in this thread (look for the ATF letter). Short version: having a medical marijuana card makes you a prohibited possessor as does being an active user. Facts and circumstances would determine whether or not you are considered to be a user of MJ for the purpose of the GCA enforcement.
:yeah:
If the ATF's stance was that "medical marijuana" users were an "unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance" you can bet a non-medical user falls into the same category.
The actual federal offense is the same for felon in possession or having a DV conviction.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on March 21, 2013, 10:51:44 AM
And everyone continues to also ignore the many who are addicted to alcohol and legally prescribed medications, which by the letter of the law are denied gun ownership.
But lets all be scared by somebody who tokes a little bowl at nite.
Post by: BsB on March 21, 2013, 11:35:55 AM
When a search warrant is issued, the officer may only obtain evidence and search in areas that are within the scope of the search warrant. Any evidence obtained without a search warrant or that is not within the scope of the warrant will fall under the exclusionary rule. So him finding MJ in my camper does not fall within the reason he obtained a warrant and is of non significance.
I am aware, by signing my hunting license, I agreed to show my license and any game harvested when requested by WDFW, including weapons used to harvest the game. I don't have a problem with that. That however doesn't include the inside of my camper or my tent on private property. He can stand outside while I retrieve the items in question.
The Fourth Amendment applies to governmental searches and seizures. Game wardens are part of a governmental operation.
"RCW 77.15.080
Fish and wildlife officers -- Inspection authority.
Based upon articulable facts that a person is engaged in fishing or hunting activities, fish and wildlife officers have the authority to temporarily stop the person and check for valid licenses, tags, permits, stamps, or catch record cards, and to inspect all fish and wildlife in possession as well as the equipment being used to ensure compliance with the requirements of this title. "
He needs to have evidence of any hunting being performed and therefore has no reason to search, based on my camping in the woods on private property or sitting around a fire drinking or smoking. No wildlife in my possession, no search. Millions of people camp and don't hunt. Basically don't include the two (MJ and guns) together at the same time and you should be fine.
When was the last time you had BATFE roll up to your camp site?
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Post by: birdstew on March 27, 2013, 12:53:48 PM
Post by: jbendewald on April 06, 2013, 01:45:23 PM
Imo I don't think I would would want to hunt with someone that is stoned. :dunno:
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Been there, done that when I was young and dumb. Lucky for me and more so for my friends that a bigger, stronger AND straight and sober person disarmed me after I fired several times hitting close to others just for fun. No telling what would have happened. I am not against a little 420 but save it for after the hunt.
Post by: Worldhunter on April 06, 2013, 02:10:49 PM
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Post by: lucky33 on May 08, 2013, 11:51:11 AM
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on May 08, 2013, 12:07:33 PM
I want to see pothead turkey pics! Post em up guys!
Sorry got the munchies and ate it after I forgot to take the pictures.
Post by: bear hunter on May 08, 2013, 12:32:33 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on May 08, 2013, 12:42:42 PM
Post by: Fishaholic on May 08, 2013, 01:48:36 PM
Also not all stoners are drop oit burn outs. I use to smoke pot and I have a good job a wife and a son. Its all in how you use it. If you let it take over you thats not good but a jay or 2 a week is not going to hurt. Idk about hunting. maybe it might get a little intence if you see something legal to shoot.
Post by: BsB on May 08, 2013, 03:07:39 PM
I just want to know how the smokers are doing?(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.tapatalk.com%2Fd%2F13%2F05%2F09%2F4erunyge.jpg&hash=c2b1e6c0bc1155d9e39aeb26edfabb7097d83653)
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Post by: h20hunter on May 08, 2013, 03:13:34 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 08, 2013, 03:17:47 PM
I think we all pretty much already knew that. :chuckle:
Also not all stoners are drop oit burn outs. I use to smoke pot and I have a good job a wife and a son. Its all in how you use it. If you let it take over you thats not good but a jay or 2 a week is not going to hurt you.
Post by: 75johndeere on May 08, 2013, 03:18:05 PM
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Post by: Fishaholic on May 08, 2013, 05:55:41 PM
Post by: nocklehead on May 08, 2013, 06:44:07 PM
So, lets go down the constitutional law road a minute here......
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Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Tenth Amendment – Powers of States and people.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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To me, this means if we voted against MJ enforcement in this state, the fed is beholden to our law, as the articles of the const. do not give government the right to drug enforcement, its a voter issue.
and of course you all know the phrase...."shall not be infringed". This means exactly what it says, therefore state or federal laws are in violation of the const. when making any law determining your bodys chemistry and the use of guns.
Another interesting little known fact about the drug laws is twice its stated that these laws apply to "man and other animals...." well if your religious, or believe that...."all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable rights". Or if you believe GOD made animals and men differently, as stated in the bible, then you can use a religious defense as well against all drug laws. This defense has worked many times in the past from MJ to colloidal silver.
I think in some ways our current laws take care of alot, without the need for the drug laws, for instance, if you pull a "Dick Cheney" and shoot your partner in the face, chances are a blood test will be done on you. If its found you were sober, you probably are looking at involuntary manslaughter. However if its found your drunk, high, whatever, youre probably facing first degree manslaughter or second degree murder, thus the difference of years and years in jail, fines, etc.
Id also like to add that many a gold medal in the olympics has been won by a "stoner". The fastest man on land and the fastest swimmer are both potheads.
Also theres this guy::
Ross Rebagliati (born July 14, 1971 in Vancouver, British Columbia) is a Canadian professional snowboarder.
He turned pro in 1991. He was the first ever to win an Olympic gold medal for Men's Snowboarding at the 1998 Winter Olympics. After winning the gold, he was found to have Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in his circulatory system and he was automatically disqualified. This decision was eventually overturned, largely on the basis that marijuana was not on the list of banned substances, and Rebagliati was given back the medal.
Lets see someone do that on alcohol.
Its my opinion youre responsible for your own actions, but make a dumb mistake while high and the law will come down on you hard.
To the OP, youre welcome at my camp anytime, especially archery elk camp... but act like an azzhat and youre gonna have me and my buddies to deal with!
Id also like to add if youre on SSRIs or psychotic medication or any drug considered "harder" than weed, you are NOT allowed at my camp, gun or not.
Post by: Becky on May 09, 2013, 09:31:01 AM
I can't believe this tread is still alive
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Someone keeps randomly stumbling onto it and bumping it up to the top again lol.
Post by: Fishaholic on May 09, 2013, 10:26:50 AM
I can't believe this tread is still alive
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Im going to save this and come back every few months and post on it just because you said that! lol