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Other Activities => Trapping => Topic started by: pnwmtnmn on March 02, 2013, 07:20:07 PM

Title: #2 padded footholds
Post by: pnwmtnmn on March 02, 2013, 07:20:07 PM: I applied for a permit to use coni's and footholds in this private swamp I am at, but I need to pad the #2 footholds aI will be using. The materials needed are 1/4" vacuum line, zip ties, knife or scissors and traps.
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Cut the vacuum line to the desired length and cut one side
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Place the cut line on the jaw
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And secure with 2 zip ties
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Repeat on other jaw
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Trim zip ties
repeat as necessary
This makes a legal padded jaw trap in Wash. The 1/4" line will work on #2 and smaller traps you will need a larger diameter line for #3's and larger as you have to cover the top, bottom and the face of the jaw but not the back of the jaw. the padding has to be 1/8" thick.
Hope this helps people.
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: bob maier on March 02, 2013, 08:27:10 PM: Kip, is there a description in the regs defining what a padded jaw is? I don't recall ever seeing one is the reason I ask.
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: pnwmtnmn on March 02, 2013, 09:25:52 PM: Ted talked to several of the game wardens in Yakima as well as the Captain and they all are on the same page at 1/8" thickness for the padding.
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: Humptulips on March 02, 2013, 11:41:00 PM: There is no definition of what constitutes legal padding. Those guys are just making it up as they go. Any thickness should be legal.
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: Houndhunter on March 03, 2013, 01:49:33 AM: Off topic, but imo padded traps is bogus. They dont do $hit, just make certain people feel better. A critter trapped in a foot hold, padded or not, will feel the same pressure in the trap.
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: bob maier on March 03, 2013, 06:27:22 AM: That's what I figured Bruce, just checking if I missed something.
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: pnwmtnmn on March 03, 2013, 10:45:41 AM: OK thanks Bruce.
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: castor gitter on March 03, 2013, 09:48:02 PM: technically you could wrap a bunch of electrical tape round em and be legal too.... I don't agree with the padded trap idea, esp for water sets... But it is what it is
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: Humptulips on March 03, 2013, 11:33:45 PM: Probably best to try and get along with them though. If they write you a ticket it costs you even if you win in court.
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: pnwmtnmn on March 08, 2013, 12:33:59 AM: Set 18 of these traps Tues, checkes today pulled 8 rats out of them all drowner sets under a permit, And overall I see no difference between padded and unpadded jaws for catching
2 were set off from wave action, 9 from rats( 1 wring and 8 catches) @ of the caught rats had broken front legs, 1 had the longspring holding its front foot that was between the jaws to the bottom of the jaws missing the padding completely. Still have all of my colonies traps working in another section of the swamp.
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: pnwmtnmn on March 10, 2013, 10:15:38 AM: Am noticing that after 4 days the zip ties are starting to come loose, but then these are cheap ties from Harbor freight, so bear that in mind. Only one "pad" has been chewed on which is less than expected and at 26 cents per side for the padding and ties that is a totally acceptable price. Even on the worst year pricewise a Rat would pay for the pads.
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: whitey on March 11, 2013, 08:36:52 AM: My G/W told me this "I dont care what you pad it with, hell pad it with a Kotex". :o
I didnt take this advice, I bought padded leg hold traps.
But back on topic, what you have there is perfect and legal. :twocents:
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: pnwmtnmn on March 11, 2013, 12:31:09 PM: Week, it's not perfect but it is legal. Looking for a better way to fasten the pads on.
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: pnwmtnmn on March 18, 2014, 11:34:20 AM: On the topic of padding thickness. On my permits It states that the padding must be at least 1/8" thick.

This is listed under permit condition #3." Padded Foot-hold traps are designed to have both jaws covered in RUBBER having a minimum thickness of one eighth inch.

I don't know if it is stated in the regs, the inititative, or just on the permit. I don't know if this is an add on but it is there in black and white.

Had to bring this post up from last year.
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: Humptulips on March 18, 2014, 07:48:40 PM: I did a little research after this post was up. I should have posted it but didn't.
There was no description layed out in I-713 to define what a padded jaw trap was. This is something WDFW added recently and Kip is right 1/8" is the tickness they need to be to be legal.
Only signifigant difference is this is by WAC as opposed to being in the Initiative which would make it an RCW. That makes it a less serious offense.
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: JakeLand on March 18, 2014, 08:23:24 PM: A qick question for you is it by permit only to use padded footholds and what are the stipulations ? IMO a conibear is the most humane trap out there for most furebearers
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: trapper88 on March 18, 2014, 09:05:19 PM: 1/8 is the right answer.Permit only
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: pnwmtnmn on March 18, 2014, 11:35:32 PM: The permit is for use only on Private land and for animals causing problems. The fur cannot be sold raw, Needs to be tanned before being sold, so not normally into fur trade but into the novelty trade. Permit is good for 30 days and a report on animals taken needs to be filled out at end of that 30 days.
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: Humptulips on March 19, 2014, 12:20:16 AM: Quote from: JakeLand on March 18, 2014, 08:23:24 PM
A qick question for you is it by permit only to use padded footholds and what are the stipulations ? IMO a conibear is the most humane trap out there for most furebearers

The special permit allows you to use padded foot holds, conibears set underwater or footsnares. Must be a nuisance animal where other means have been unsuccesfull on private property or for public health and safety to protect threatened or endangered species or for research.
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: NWCoho on April 02, 2014, 02:42:27 PM: have you checked on your prior permits to see if it was on there? On the permits i have looked at it only had 9 permit conditions until 2/22/2014 where they added #3." Padded Foot-hold traps are designed to have both jaws covered in RUBBER having a minimum thickness of one eighth inch. Now they have 10 conditions.
Title: Re: #2 padded footholds
Post by: pnwmtnmn on April 05, 2014, 03:58:00 PM: Well there you go, they snuck it in on us in the middle of a three year rules setup. Although I don't know if Damage control permits would fall under the game regs.