Post by: Sabotloader on March 08, 2013, 05:27:52 PM
During the regular rifle season I can convert it back to a modern inline rifle with a scope and 209 ignition. While it will never replace the velocity, range, and energy that my Tikka Lite 300 Win Mag has, it's weight and looks are very comparable.
Knight has heavily contoured the barrel to rival the contour of a centerfire barrel and taken the heavy composite or laminate stock off and offered a realy strong Kevlar stock with aluminum internal bedding. Dropping the weight of the rifle to near 6#'s.
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I would really like to share more but I have to wiat for the dang mail system to get the rifle here - but more will come later...
Another thought that comes to mind also is that with the developemnt of the Western Ultra-Lite it will also be possible to make the regular Mountaineer into a Western Legal rifle...
I know this whole thing is not all that important to the majority of ML hunters and shooters out the - but for us in the Pac Northwest - Great.
I know it is expensive in a lot of peoples minds, but for me it is well worth the investment. It is a lifetime, versitile, do everything gun. And really less expensive tha most of my centerfire rifles.
Yep!!! I am excited... :IBCOOL:
Post by: lhrbull on March 08, 2013, 06:19:52 PM
Post by: scottcrb on March 08, 2013, 06:51:12 PM
Post by: Wea300mag on March 08, 2013, 07:10:15 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 08, 2013, 07:13:42 PM
Post by: teanawayslayer on March 09, 2013, 05:45:04 AM
Is it 11 or musket or both? and what is the twist rate on it?it should be 1:28 and should accept both nipples, same as the disc and big horn. Sabot loader are they now selling the ultra light with the western kit? Or is yours just a special order?
Post by: CoyoteChuck52 on March 09, 2013, 06:37:40 AM
what is the cost on a ML like that and do you also recieve the convertion kit or is that extrawell if and when the western kit is avl for the Ultra-lite you should be able to order it that way....899.99 right now!
http://www.knightrifles.com/ultra-lite-olive-green-straight/ (http://www.knightrifles.com/ultra-lite-olive-green-straight/)
Post by: Sabotloader on March 09, 2013, 07:59:02 AM
It is set for either #11 or Musket and it is a 1-28 twist - wish it were a 1-24 but that is another matter.
Plugs... NFPJ Mountainer Plug and a couple of Western Plugs
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Looks like this installed with bolt forward but not closed
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Bolt Closed
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Post by: BOOM!! on March 10, 2013, 02:49:17 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 10, 2013, 03:15:10 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on March 10, 2013, 08:13:33 PM
:hello: Thats great news that there will be a western kit for the mountaineer. I let a few really good deals on those get away. Hopefully we can get together in Benton City sometime this year so I can try out that ultra light.
We can do that... I am coming over the weekend of 4-19-21... for a ML shoot at Rattlesnake Mountain...
Hey if you know of anyone that wants a Triumph - let me know -but remember it is 209...
Post by: Sabotloader on March 10, 2013, 08:15:06 PM
That's cool might have to give knight another shot.
I would think for an Outfitter this would be the perfect rifle - even saddle rifle
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 10, 2013, 08:19:19 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on March 11, 2013, 07:57:39 AM
Me and horses do not go well together :chuckle:
Oh Ya! me neither :tup:
Post by: teanawayslayer on March 19, 2013, 06:58:49 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on March 19, 2013, 07:17:10 PM
sabotloader have you gotten that ultralight yet?
Yes! it came tonight!!! unbelievable - more information to follow...
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Post by: deerslyr on March 19, 2013, 09:19:01 PM
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Post by: scottcrb on March 19, 2013, 09:24:05 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on March 19, 2013, 09:43:10 PM
I have a knight bighorn and one of the things that I don't like about it is the forend seems short and the swivel stud is right where I would like to put my hand. Is the ultralights forend longer with the swivel stud futher forward or is it about the same as the bighorn?
Thanks
Post by: jackelope on March 19, 2013, 09:44:16 PM
:yike:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 20, 2013, 07:15:13 AM
$900 ??Thats what I am saying! I almost spit my coffee out! I have been thinking hard about upgrading from my bighorn but for that kind of coin I just fell back in love with the old girl! I have never even paid that much for a centerfire rifle.
:yike:
Post by: kerrdog on March 20, 2013, 08:29:43 AM
Post by: Sabotloader on March 20, 2013, 10:32:58 AM
It's very nice. I love the stock. What are the differences between the Ultralight and the Disk?
The stock is a Kevlar light weight stock with an internal aluminum action bedding block.
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The whole rifle is 2 lbs. lighter than the DISC Extreme...
There is a whole list of differences between the two rifles - all up grades... I am hoping to get a post together tonight to show the things that I have found.
Price! I know that the price is huge factor, but you have to remember the price listed on the Knight site will always be higher than the dealer price - it has to be or there would be no benefit for a dealer... At R&R the price is in the $750 area. Bob's is getting four of them fairly soon but I have know idea what they might ask and I have been told... Wholesale Sports - changing again to Sportsman's has ordered 40 of them - so the price will be less at a dealer.
Still the price is expensive and the rifle is expensive and it certainly might not be a for a person that might hunt with a couple of weeks then put it away. They do make very inexpensive rifles just for that. But, in my case- I am a hunter and I hunt all year with a ML so I do want the extra quality and endurance. I compare this rifle right along with my Tikka Lite win mag and my Browning A bolt - while there are more expensive rifles out there - these two are not cheap and the worst part is they are retired to the safe - do not eve use them anymore.
I did install the scope bases for rifle season and the mounted a NECG Peep site for ML season...
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Post by: mrtimturner on June 26, 2013, 04:35:19 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on June 26, 2013, 09:30:52 PM
I know I am coming in late to this one but here goes!! I am debating between the ultra-lite and the disc extreme. I really wanted the Mountaineer, but if I am correct, no western option for that one right???
No you get a Mountaineer with a Western Kit installed, you will have to call Knight and let them know you want it that way. Or better yet call Bob's and have him order it for you it will be cheaper - much cheaper
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Other than the weight difference and looks, are there any other "MAJOR" quality differences between the ultra-lite and extreme?
The real difference besides weight and shorter barrel is the Kevlar stock of the ULite - it is one tough stock with a built in aluminum bedding block in the stock. And the Mountaineer Series rifle including the ULite are built to slightly, and I emphasize SLIGHTLY - tighter specs.
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Would the accuracy be equal in both? can the ultra-lite reach out farther?? Thanks for any help!!!
Accuracy... probably not much difference for the normal shooter.. . but for the really good shooters they might gain 1/2" to an 1" better accuracy.
Post by: mrtimturner on June 27, 2013, 08:59:22 AM
Post by: Sabotloader on June 27, 2013, 09:47:57 AM
You mention "Bobs"??? Sorry, not sure who that is. Thanks for the input! Really helps
Bob's Sorting Goods, Longview, WA...
http://www.bobsmerch.com/ (http://www.bobsmerch.com/)
Post by: ChadH on August 12, 2013, 08:32:00 AM
QuoteOther than the weight difference and looks, are there any other "MAJOR" quality differences between the ultra-lite and extreme?
The real difference besides weight and shorter barrel is the Kevlar stock of the ULite - it is one tough stock with a built in aluminum bedding block in the stock. And the Mountaineer Series rifle including the ULite are built to slightly, and I emphasize SLIGHTLY - tighter specs.QuoteWould the accuracy be equal in both? can the ultra-lite reach out farther?? Thanks for any help!!!
Accuracy... probably not much difference for the normal shooter.. . but for the really good shooters they might gain 1/2" to an 1" better accuracy.
I am really interested to hear how this gun shot for you SL. I moved here from Missouri 2 years ago, and shot a Scoped TC Encore back there. Now I am here, and need to get a new smokepole for my multi season deer tag (plus been thinking about Idaho Elk). Anyway, I've been looking at the Disc, the Bighorn and the UL... they all seem nice, but I have no expeirence with any of them. I don't really like thumbhole stocks and the Sprosmans Warehouse near me only has the Disc and Bighorn in Thumbhole. The UL feels GREAT. Just wonder about the accuracy and the recoil difference in such a lite stock (recoil because I would let my son shoot it some).
Also wondering what bullet and loads people prefer around here. I know what my Encore likes... but have no idea where to start with what the rules are here.
Thanks for any help you guys can give a poor Missouri boy.
Chad
Post by: Sabotloader on August 12, 2013, 09:05:47 AM
QuoteOther than the weight difference and looks, are there any other "MAJOR" quality differences between the ultra-lite and extreme?
The real difference besides weight and shorter barrel is the Kevlar stock of the ULite - it is one tough stock with a built in aluminum bedding block in the stock. And the Mountaineer Series rifle including the ULite are built to slightly, and I emphasize SLIGHTLY - tighter specs.QuoteWould the accuracy be equal in both? can the ultra-lite reach out farther?? Thanks for any help!!!
Accuracy... probably not much difference for the normal shooter.. . but for the really good shooters they might gain 1/2" to an 1" better accuracy.QuoteI am really interested to hear how this gun shot for you SL.
The Ulite is an excellent shooting rifle with a huge variety od different bullets, from full bore lead conicals to just about any bullet you put down it up to .458 in size. Oops that is not true - I forgot last weekend I shot full bore 50 cal bullets from it and they shot lights out also.
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But now in the same breath.. I would add the Big Horn and the DISC as well as the Mountaineer have the ability to well also, with the edge maybe going to the Mountaineer because of it tighter machining requirements. The thing that would set the Ulite slightly above the Mountaineer is the Aluminum bedded Kevlar stock you get with the Ulite.QuoteI moved here from Missouri 2 years ago, and shot a Scoped TC Encore back there. Now I am here, and need to get a new smokepole for my multi season deer tag (plus been thinking about Idaho Elk).
You have to understand that I am totally biased when I say this, but I have shot a lot of TC products and in fact still have a few, but most knights will shoot more consistently than the TC's. Plus the Knights are a multi-state/country rifle. Here in Idaho if you were to hunt ML season you will be required to shoot full bore lead conicals, not a problem with a Knight. The QLA on some TC's can be a definite problem when shooting conicals, either lead or copper.QuoteAnyway, I've been looking at the Disc, the Bighorn and the UL... they all seem nice, but I have no expeirence with any of them. I don't really like thumbhole stocks and the Sprosmans Warehouse near me only has the Disc and Bighorn in Thumbhole. The UL feels GREAT. Just wonder about the accuracy and the recoil difference in such a lite stock (recoil because I would let my son shoot it some).
Recoil is about the same with any of the three or four depending on the weight of the projectile and the amount of powder you choose to shoot. For your son and I am assuming deer hunting - load up a 40x200 grain Bloodline and 100 grains of powder, which really is a more than adequate amount of powder) and other than the noise it would be more than acceptable recoil.QuoteAlso wondering what bullet and loads people prefer around here. I know what my Encore likes... but have no idea where to start with what the rules are here.
In Washington you are in really good shape projectile wise, you can shoot either full bore or bullets in sabots. Your limiting factors are cap ignition and open/peep sights. Oregon and Idaho - not so much because of the full bore lead conical rules... but they really are not all that bad.QuoteThanks for any help you guys can give a poor Missouri boy.
Chad
Ah now! do not go there with the Misor-ry guy thing... I have two really good friends from Missiry and they are more scoopumb than a lot of people think... And man they know hoe to hunt!
later - mike
Post by: oneshot12 on August 12, 2013, 12:26:16 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on August 25, 2013, 08:02:50 PM
:tup: well it looks like you will be doing lots more practice whit this new addition let me know how it comes along lokks like it might be a new gun in my list as well thanks for the great info and up dates
I got time to get out with a week or so ago... only this time I was shooting it sabotless with MMP sub-bases...
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