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Big Game Hunting => Bow Hunting => Topic started by: Ccortez on March 15, 2013, 08:24:03 AM
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What's a good broad head for elk and bear ? I'm new to archery hunting for elk and bear but hunted deer with a bow with G5montec seems to work good on deer for sure just curious if I can still use the same broad head? I just want more of a challenge that's why I'm switching to archery now.
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Very pleased with the results of the Montec G5. I'll be using it for bear, deer, and elk this year. I shoot the 100gr.
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That head will work fine for all 3 animals. :tup:
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Ok sweet that's what I wanted to hear. Now time to get it set. Up for some spring bears ;)
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I'm partial to the shuttle-t's but your will work fine.
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I have some VPA 3-blade heads that I will be using this year. They should do well. They are similar to the montec but with no welds. They are machined out of one solid piece.
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I'm partial to the shuttle-t's but your will work fine.
:yeah:
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I have some VPA 3-blade heads that I will be using this year. They should do well. They are similar to the montec but with no welds. They are machined out of one solid piece.
Thought about trying this ones myself. But the montec's are easy to find at almost any store.
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I like the Wasp Boss.
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Oh great here we go.
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My bear last year had a complete pass thru and stuck in dirt bank about 10 yards away with the Montec G5. I didnt bullseye any bones so after a quick sharpening, it went back in my quiver for another shot.
They fly just as accurate as field points too. :twocents:
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how about slick tricks?
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Shuttle T-Lock :tup:, three bears and two elk. Only one bear made it past two hundred yards after the hit but left me with an easy blood trail, the others 30-40 yards over and out.
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I had great luck with the Thunderheads for 20 seasons, then last season I switched to the Shuttle T, worked great on my buck last season, gonna try it out on a spring bear this year.
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I shot G5 Strikers this year and they did a number on my deer at 30 yards. I was extremely impressed and wont switch until someone can convince me that there is a better one! :tup:
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I'm partial to the shuttle-t's but your will work fine.
I thought you were a died in the wool Magnus Stinger fan Button?
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I'm partial to the shuttle-t's but your will work fine.
I thought you were a died in the wool Magnus Stinger fan Button?
I was, I switched back to the shuttle-t's though. I still like the Magnus heads but I was having some bow troubles right before the 2011 season and my back up bow was set up for 100 grainers. I had some shuttle-t's layin around so I went with those. Did a number on last and this year's bulls, so I haven't felt the need to switch back.
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Razor tricks for me.... Im a firm believer that the best broadhead is one that is sharp and that flies great. Yours will work just fine :IBCOOL:
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Sharp!
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I like the Wasp Boss.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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You will be fine with the montec's. I ran them threw about 15+ animals with great luck. I am shooting the ultimate steel heads now and they have been doing well for me.
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I think I may go with the one that has a bullet in the end of it :dunno: :yike: Smossy can show ya the one ... :chuckle:
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shuttle t's #1 slicktricks #2 steel force phatheads #3 all very easy to tune and plenty srong.
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I think I may go with the one that has a bullet in the end of it :dunno: :yike: Smossy can show ya the one ... :chuckle:
Are they legal here?
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I think I may go with the one that has a bullet in the end of it :dunno: :yike: Smossy can show ya the one ... :chuckle:
Are they legal here?
Hahahaha no way and i HIGHLY doubt that they would ever be. The people who make them do make broadheads loaded with size 7 steel balls like a shotgun AND ones that are scent loaded so you can shoot scents like estrus or w.e into your shooting lanes without leaving your human scent in that area. I do see those maybe being legal though. Would have to read the regulations real closely though. I dont see why the SCENT ones wouldnt be legal even as we speak. The steel shot ones ehhh thats iffy
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Everyone seems to like the broadheads they shoot... How about ones you don't recommend, and why? I'm pretty new to the game, would like to hear about the ones to stay away from.
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Slick tricks for me all the way
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I used Montecs for quite a while but two years ago I switched to G5 Strikers. Two elk and a deer later and the blood trail is crazy compared with the montecs or the muzzys I had used a long time ago. I'm absolutely impressed with the strength, razor sharp blades, and the performance of the Strikers and don't plan on ever switching.
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I too shoot the G5 Montecs
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Dropped my first elk last season with a trophy taker shuttle t (with a 20 year old bow) so i'll be using them for a long long time lol.
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Watched a buddy kill a cyote with a rock at 40 or so yards. If the heads your shooting fly nice and do the job stick with them. I personally shoot shuttle T's would not think twice about shooting slick tricks or montechs. They all do the job at some point it becomes a personall preferance!
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Everyone seems to like the broadheads they shoot... How about ones you don't recommend, and why? I'm pretty new to the game, would like to hear about the ones to stay away from.
I have had success with a bunch of different heads. Over the years I have shot, muzzy, g5, wasp, cabelas, wac em, sonic ( american broadhead ), innerloc, and some others I am sure. Of those the only one that I will never shoot again is the Sonic. :bash: Normally I keep my opinion to myself, but those broadhead were JUNK imo. flight was great, but Blades were dull, and even worse kept falling out. When I contacted the manufacturer I was told that " it was a known problem" and I should throw some Loctite in there to "help" the problem. LOL I went and bought new broadheads that hour.
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Everyone seems to like the broadheads they shoot... How about ones you don't recommend, and why? I'm pretty new to the game, would like to hear about the ones to stay away from.
Oh man! That would be a long list! But pretty much any head that relies on a gimmick is best left alone. Focus of a good head should be the ultra sharp blades. Not razor wire, meat worms, offset blades, pizza cutters, etc. Be especially skeptical of claims a head will help steer the arrow. Last thing I want is a broadhead that wants to control any part of arrow flight!
Washington state does not allow the use of expandable pivoting broadheads. So that makes the list much smaller. There are some good ones out there. But they are the exception rather than the rule.
You want a head that is extremely sharp and/or is extremely easy to get sharp. Then you want a blade material that is hard enough to stay sharp. Point shape really has more to do with marketing than actual performance. Penetration is really a concern of the past. So don't forget sharpness in an effort to increase penetration by means other than sharpness. The results never work out in your favor.
Lastly, any replaceable bladed head who's replacement blades are so expensive you can not afford to replace them...you might want to think twice about. The whole idea about replaceable blade heads is that their sharp and easy to keep sharp. Would you buy a new truck if the tires were nearly as expensive as the truck itself? If a dealer told me, "When the tires wear out just throw the truck away and buy a new one." I'd find myself another truck dealer, wouldn't you?
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I just picked up some hell razors 100gr
I couldn't see a difference from them or the montocs, and the hell razors were cheaper
4 broadheads for 32 bucks
they sharped in the same way a montoc does
http://www.bowhuntingoutlet.com/nap-hellrazor-100.html?&gclid=CPqXxN6xmLYCFSSCQgodoAsAdA (http://www.bowhuntingoutlet.com/nap-hellrazor-100.html?&gclid=CPqXxN6xmLYCFSSCQgodoAsAdA)
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KF: The hell razors are nice heads. Indeed a lot like the montec. I think they are even a little sharper. I played with them when doing so broadhead tests. However to get them sharper the blades are a little thinner and the tip is a little weaker. I noted some curls in the blades and tip deformations in the solid stuff but still a decent head.
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I always thought the Hellrazor was a good head. Solid, sharpens well...then I saw this picture on their website. Now I'm not so sure NAP isn't doing the devil's work. This kid looks to have been possessed to me, what do you think? :chuckle: Perhaps he made a deal with the devil to shoot such an awesome buck :dunno: Hellrazor just might be to literal for my taste!
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RadSav, What do you think about the thunderhead broadheads? I need to pick some up all I have are practice tips, They were fairly cheap. $40 for a six pack.
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RadSav, What do you think about the thunderhead broadheads? I need to pick some up all I have are practice tips, They were fairly cheap. $40 for a six pack.
Most NAP broadheads are quite good. Some of the newer designs have gone down the gimmick path. But all in all NAP is a pretty safe bet. Thunderhead 100 and 125 are one of the all time best selling heads ever. You could do much worse!
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RadSav, What do you think about the thunderhead broadheads? I need to pick some up all I have are practice tips, They were fairly cheap. $40 for a six pack.
Most NAP broadheads are quite good. Some of the newer designs have gone down the gimmick path. But all in all NAP is a pretty safe bet. Thunderhead 100 and 125 are one of the all time best selling heads ever. You could do much worse!
Good enough for now. Just gotta pick something up while I have a-little money.
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Good enough for now. Just gotta pick something up while I have a-little money.
If you wait on broadheads until you pass your Hunter's Safety course...You can save that money. I'll send you a celebration gift :tup: But you need to pass your course :chuckle:
Though I am a little concerned about that. WAY back when I took the course we had a hands on rifle section. With your limitation in that regard hows that going to work? I'm sure there are some instructors on the site. If you haven't already you might want to get some clarification from them on ways to work around that.
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Good enough for now. Just gotta pick something up while I have a-little money.
If you wait on broadheads until you pass your Hunter's Safety course...You can save that money. I'll send you a celebration gift :tup: But you need to pass your course :chuckle:
Though I am a little concerned about that. WAY back when I took the course we had a hands on rifle section. With your limitation in that regard hows that going to work? I'm sure there are some instructors on the site. If you haven't already you might want to get some clarification from them on ways to work around that.
I've already talked to the instructor that is going to be educating me through e-mail, He told me that he will be able to accommodate with my background and It should not be a problem. I might not be able to be as "hands-on" as everyone but Im sure he will have his own little tasks just for me. No big deal, Whatever I gotta do. May 20th is when It all goes down.
He said I just had to sign a form when I first get there before the class begins.
Not sure what that form involves..
And woo I like gifts :)
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That's good news! I was a little worried about it. Guess I shouldn't have been ;)
May 20th! I might even have some of the new heads by then!
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That's good news! I was a little worried about it. Guess I shouldn't have been ;)
May 20th! I might even have some of the new heads by then!
Very excited to kill something with one of them.. Hopefully a record sized bull!
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That's good news! I was a little worried about it. Guess I shouldn't have been ;)
May 20th! I might even have some of the new heads by then!
Very excited to kill something with one of them.. Hopefully a record sized bull!
Be careful not to set your goals too low :chuckle:
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That's good news! I was a little worried about it. Guess I shouldn't have been ;)
May 20th! I might even have some of the new heads by then!
Very excited to kill something with one of them.. Hopefully a record sized bull!
Be careful not to set your goals too low :chuckle:
Buahaha. Id put one in bigfoot if I could find him.
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blood trails with the montecs hasn't been stellar for me on the four deer i've shot with them. bought some Shuttle-t's last year and the blood trail from it wasn't much, either (but that's likely due to the fact he was turned when i shot him and when he straightened out to run, his skin moved)
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blood trails with the montecs hasn't been stellar for me on the four deer i've shot with them. bought some Shuttle-t's last year and the blood trail from it wasn't much, either (but that's likely due to the fact he was turned when i shot him and when he straightened out to run, his skin moved)
:yeah: after killing a few critters with both the reg montecs and the carbons,i switched over to slick tricks and its been alot lot easier to fallow the few critters ive got with them
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I like a slick trick blood trail :chuckle:
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I like a slick trick blood trail :chuckle:
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they get much better than that...if you even need to fallow a trail :chuckle:
i am still very jealous of what was at the end of your trail tho...killer oil bull :tup:
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I use G5 Montec CS for deer and I'm happy with them. You do hear a few reports of blood trails going dry with the Montec though. You might want to go to a Striker with a slightly larger cutting diameter for elk and bear.
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I use G5 Montec CS for deer and I'm happy with them. You do hear a few reports of blood trails going dry with the Montec though. You might want to go to a Striker with a slightly larger cutting diameter for elk and bear.
The magnum has 1 1/2 inch cutting diam, the striker is only 1 1/8. Id probably use the Magnum If I wanted a much larger wound.
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True, but I shoot 100g and the Magnum is only available in 125g. Plus for me, more width is less accurate. 1 1/8 is good for elk and bear.
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The magnum has 1 1/2 inch cutting diam, the striker is only 1 1/8. Id probably use the Magnum If I wanted a much larger wound.
Your average 12 Gauge shotgun bore is .729" That's pretty big, wouldn't you say? Now figure your 1.125" broadhead is 65% larger than that shotgun bore. Should be good enough IMO.
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Make sure you have enough room on your shelf for the magnum. I have a 2012 Hoyt and the shelf is to small. I hit the tip of the blade of the side. I did shot it, and it hit my target right where i was aiming, but i noticed that when i pulled it back my arrow was moveing when the broadhead hit the side. If you want to try them I have a couple here i can work ya a deal on them. I wont use them
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Make sure you have enough room on your shelf for the magnum. I have a 2012 Hoyt and the shelf is to small. I hit the tip of the blade of the side. I did shot it, and it hit my target right where i was aiming, but i noticed that when i pulled it back my arrow was moveing when the broadhead hit the side. If you want to try them I have a couple here i can work ya a deal on them. I wont use them
Hmm no thanks then lol