Post by: judojudd on March 17, 2013, 11:11:46 PM
What was not cool was getting up to the top and seeing two elk kills and wolf tracks everywhere there was snow. I've heard stories about wolves in the blues but this is the first real evidence I've seen. It was unnerving to say the least. This is one of my favorite places to see and interact with elk and it sickens me to think of this herd being depleted by wolves. :bash:
Post by: csaaphill on March 18, 2013, 12:52:54 AM
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Post by: Simcoe hunter on March 18, 2013, 11:16:28 PM
I was on the Wa side in Dayton last week. Locals are claiming the elk population is depleting rapidly, due to wolves. Game department claiming they are hybrids to the locals. Go figure...
If they are hybrids, are they getting rid of them?
Post by: JODakota on March 18, 2013, 11:55:41 PM
I was on the Wa side in Dayton last week. Locals are claiming the elk population is depleting rapidly, due to wolves. Game department claiming they are hybrids to the locals. Go figure...This is news to me and I'm up there on the weekly.craziness
Post by: judojudd on March 19, 2013, 09:56:30 AM
are you talking just up above milton freewater? walla walla area?Yep. South Fork of the Walla Walla trailhead. The wolf tracks and fresh kills were all up on Blalock in the snow.
Post by: judojudd on March 19, 2013, 10:53:18 AM
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Post by: bearpaw on March 19, 2013, 11:20:24 AM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,121109.msg1597573.html#msg1597573 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,121109.msg1597573.html#msg1597573)
Post by: 6x6in6 on March 19, 2013, 11:21:32 AM
Outside shot that it could be 2 other packs out of Oregon, Imnaha and the Umatilla. But they could have relocated too.
Or, it's a whole nother group settled in. >:( >:( >:(
If I were a bettin' man, I'd say Walla Walla pack since the ODFW has information from collared wolves in this pack that put them in the upper WW drainage as recent as Sept '12.
Post by: skywalker253 on March 19, 2013, 11:32:49 AM
I was on the Wa side in Dayton last week. Locals are claiming the elk population is depleting rapidly, due to wolves. Game department claiming they are hybrids to the locals. Go figure...This is news to me and I'm up there on the weekly.craziness
One of the forum members that lives in the Dayton area, posted a trial cam picture last year of a black and a gray together in the "Wolf Topic". He submitted it to the game department, who told him they came in from the Oregon side. Oregon Fish and Game were moitoring them. Apparently they go in and out of Washington/Oregon on a regular basis.
It is only a matter of time before wolves become a consistent problem in Wa. If I had it my way there would be no wolves, but I understand that they are an important part of our ecosystem. If Wa wants to host wolves, then manage them. IMO- The Wa game department wants wolves here, so it provides them with another method of making money. The only way they will manage them right now, is if they have to. After what happened in NE Wa last year, they may not even do that.
Post by: jackelope on March 19, 2013, 11:36:05 AM
I've actually gotten a ton of info from the biologists down there re: wolves. In fact, it wouldn't shock me if they were reading this right now.
:hello:
Post by: jackelope on March 19, 2013, 11:38:39 AM
Post by: gunnarnewt on March 19, 2013, 12:23:49 PM
Post by: puyallupaul on March 19, 2013, 12:42:54 PM
Reducing hunting opertunities. No win situation for hunters.
They need more budget though.
Post by: judojudd on March 19, 2013, 02:19:48 PM
I'm thankful for all the organizations that are leading legislation to manage wolves. There is no end in sight to this problem if not for the intervention of outdoorsmen who care about healthy herds and low predation numbers.
Post by: jackelope on March 19, 2013, 02:26:05 PM
Everybody down here (Dayton), including the WDFW knows we have had wolves for several years now. The sightings are becoming more and more frequent. :bash:
:yeah:
Post by: batch on March 19, 2013, 02:33:45 PM
Post by: Sliverslinger on March 19, 2013, 06:11:20 PM
2 years ago, while hunting spikes up near Husky Spring in the upper part of the Walla Walla unit, one of our hunting buddies killed a spike. While he was quartering it, he looked up and a black wolf was standing at the top of the ridge 70 yards away just watching him. I know that none of this surprises wildlife biologists. Their heads would have to be deep in the sand to not see all of the evidence. The Walla Walla pack seems alive and strong and killing elk every day. Shame.
I'm thankful for all the organizations that are leading legislation to manage wolves. There is no end in sight to this problem if not for the intervention of outdoorsmen who care about healthy herds and low predation numbers.
:yeah:
Post by: huntnphool on March 19, 2013, 06:47:35 PM
This was in Dayton.I was on the Wa side in Dayton last week. Locals are claiming the elk population is depleting rapidly, due to wolves. Game department claiming they are hybrids to the locals. Go figure...This is news to me and I'm up there on the weekly.craziness
One of the forum members that lives in the Dayton area, posted a trial cam picture last year of a black and a gray together in the "Wolf Topic".
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 19, 2013, 06:51:09 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 19, 2013, 07:06:09 PM
dogNot where that was. ;)
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 19, 2013, 07:13:30 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 19, 2013, 07:14:10 PM
hybrid dog? :chuckle:Now that could be. :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on March 20, 2013, 07:59:22 AM
I can tell you, for sure with personal experience, that SE WA WDFW biologists will not deny the presence of wolves in the Blues. Myself and my family have reported sightings to them and have never been told, ever, that they were hybrids. This is in the Blues, not around Dayton.
I've actually gotten a ton of info from the biologists down there re: wolves. In fact, it wouldn't shock me if they were reading this right now.
:hello:
I agree, as the biologist I spoke with confimed wolves are present in Dayton and surrounding areas around the Blues. The local I spoke with claimed the game department says they are hybrids. In the end, it does not matter. The reality is, they are there and here to stay. My family owns arguably the most land in the Dayton/Marengo area, who have confimed they are around.
The locals that say they were told hybrid have been reading too many threads on hunt-wa.
:twocents:
Post by: hogsniper on March 20, 2013, 08:32:23 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on March 20, 2013, 08:37:45 AM
Day is correct, year is wrong, actually 2011
Post by: jackelope on March 20, 2013, 08:53:57 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on March 20, 2013, 08:59:39 AM
Post by: hogsniper on March 20, 2013, 09:01:50 AM
Post by: cem3434 on March 20, 2013, 09:07:07 AM
I was thinking Malamute at first but figured "hey I am jumpin on this band wagon" :tup: :chuckle:
You should have shot the "hybrid" to see what it actually was.
You guys are thinking all wrong if these are hybrids. That means they are a cross, so maybe its a German Malamute or would that be a Malamute Retreiver? :chuckle:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 20, 2013, 07:12:15 PM
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Post by: csaaphill on March 22, 2013, 01:28:56 AM
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 22, 2013, 08:54:39 AM
I was on the Wa side in Dayton last week. Locals are claiming the elk population is depleting rapidly, due to wolves. Game department claiming they are hybrids to the locals. Go figure...
If they are hybrids, are they getting rid of them?
Is a hybrid legally protected? Not that I or most people could probably tell the difference in the field without data service on my cell phone but this is a serious question.
Post by: TheBlues76 on April 09, 2013, 11:50:09 PM
Post by: Caseyd on April 10, 2013, 12:43:01 AM
He'll that's just a shape shifting bigfoots! :yike:
:yeah:
Post by: csaaphill on April 10, 2013, 01:32:31 AM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on April 10, 2013, 04:42:11 AM
I was on the Wa side in Dayton last week. Locals are claiming the elk population is depleting rapidly, due to wolves. Game department claiming they are hybrids to the locals. Go figure...
That's because the WDFW does not have the nads to admitt they are wolves. Then they would have to admitt they are here.