Post by: Slider on October 01, 2008, 08:04:10 AM
http://mossback.com/
Post by: archery288 on October 01, 2008, 08:13:18 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on October 01, 2008, 08:14:36 AM
Hell of a bull.
Post by: bucklucky on October 01, 2008, 08:15:52 AM
Post by: GoldTip on October 01, 2008, 08:16:34 AM
Post by: Geno on October 01, 2008, 08:21:21 AM
Post by: NW-Eric on October 01, 2008, 08:23:51 AM
Post by: backwoods_boy on October 01, 2008, 08:30:03 AM
what a bull!....
i dont care how he got it or who helped him get it or what he paid.
thats a masher!
:bash: :drool:
Post by: huntingnut on October 01, 2008, 08:33:40 AM
Post by: backwoods_boy on October 01, 2008, 08:34:14 AM
Post by: backwoods_boy on October 01, 2008, 08:36:20 AM
Post by: Bobm on October 01, 2008, 09:20:27 AM
That guy who shot the monster high hunt buck impresses far more.
Post by: Hornseeker on October 01, 2008, 10:07:35 AM
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Post by: C-Money on October 01, 2008, 10:08:23 AM
Post by: Bobm on October 01, 2008, 10:29:25 AM
Post by: backwoods_boy on October 01, 2008, 10:39:20 AM
but think about it from this perspective...
it is pretty cool to see the animal we all love to hunt get to be that size...
reguardless of where or how it was harvested.
am i wrong??
Post by: Bobm on October 01, 2008, 10:44:18 AM
Post by: BC CHASER on October 01, 2008, 10:51:49 AM
I have to wonder how it got to be that size. Are there other genetic monsters like it in the area? I have my doubts.
I did some research on him yesterday and the Utah fish and wildlife could not even find him. I guess a couple of hunters found him either this year or last. I guess he spent quite a bit of time on private land as well. You think previous years sheds would have been found. Goes to show you never know whats out there!
Post by: bucklucky on October 01, 2008, 10:56:56 AM
Post by: backwoods_boy on October 01, 2008, 10:58:39 AM
silly guy!!
Post by: Bobm on October 01, 2008, 10:59:01 AM
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he spent quite a bit of time on private land as well
And that is what makes me wonder what he ate or what he was fed.
Outfitters are ruining our sport.
Post by: BC CHASER on October 01, 2008, 11:01:38 AM
Just looked out the back window and there was a 550 bull standing in my back yard!
Yeah, 550 lbs!
Post by: bow4elk on October 01, 2008, 11:09:32 AM
The only good thing is the revenue it brings the game depts (governor tags), but on the flipside, if this is what the voting public see as “hunting”, then I’m not sure it helps at all.
Just my :twocents:, so fire away....
Post by: Bobm on October 01, 2008, 11:11:57 AM
Post by: NoBark on October 01, 2008, 11:33:14 AM
As for those who tried to sit on him for the shooter, no comment.
hunting shows and even the internet all have a hand in changing hunting from what it used to be into a friggen compitition to see who can spend the most to shoot the biggest.
I hate that.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on October 01, 2008, 11:40:11 AM
Those who think this is a cool way for a world class animal to die, probably don't understand the subtle differences between forcible rape and seduction either. Neither one detracts from the target's qualities, but one should be a source of shame, not satisfaction.
I as a hunter am ashamed, embarassed and offended, that this is increasingly how nonhunters perceive hunters. Team Mossback, the Blue Mts posse, and other teams of hired exterminators who take their filthy compensation to preclude any possible resemblance to fair chase, are a worse threat to our American hunting tradition than any antihunter groups.
And please don't tell me how much they contribute to conservation. If I sell meth to school kids, but donate the proceeds to my favorite charity, that doesn't justify the means. I'd far rather have these lazy, amoral, wealthy (your favorite expletive here) heroically killing trophy exotic livestock in high-fenced paddocks, than out assassinating the finest specimens of American big game under the guise of hunting.
Auction tags turn wildlife departments into pimps, prostituting out our resources for a tiny fraction of their budgets. This practice is an abomination.
Post by: Bobm on October 01, 2008, 11:48:22 AM
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Auction tags turn wildlife departments into pimps, prostituting out our resources for a tiny fraction of their budgets. This practice is an abomination.
Agreed 100%
Post by: backwoods_boy on October 01, 2008, 12:02:03 PM
Incredible animal.
Those who think this is a cool way for a world class animal to die, probably don't understand the subtle differences between forcible rape and seduction either. Neither one detracts from the target's qualities, but one should be a source of shame, not satisfaction.
I as a hunter am ashamed, embarassed and offended, that this is increasingly how nonhunters perceive hunters. Team Mossback, the Blue Mts posse, and other teams of hired exterminators who take their filthy compensation to preclude any possible resemblance to fair chase, are a worse threat to our American hunting tradition than any antihunter groups.
And please don't tell me how much they contribute to conservation. If I sell meth to school kids, but donate the proceeds to my favorite charity, that doesn't justify the means. I'd far rather have these lazy, amoral, wealthy (your favorite expletive here) heroically killing trophy exotic livestock in high-fenced paddocks, than out assassinating the finest specimens of American big game under the guise of hunting.
Auction tags turn wildlife departments into pimps, prostituting out our resources for a tiny fraction of their budgets. This practice is an abomination.
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Post by: provider on October 01, 2008, 12:18:56 PM
Nice job DOUBLELUNG!
Post by: TheKid#10 on October 01, 2008, 12:36:31 PM
KID
Post by: BC CHASER on October 01, 2008, 12:39:26 PM
Incredible animal.
Those who think this is a cool way for a world class animal to die, probably don't understand the subtle differences between forcible rape and seduction either. Neither one detracts from the target's qualities, but one should be a source of shame, not satisfaction.
I would have rather seen a young kid or an average Joe take this bull. I did read in my reasearching of this bull that a young kid had a tag for the area and a ton of locals were helping him out. So he too had an army of spotters but did not harvest it in the few weeks he had. I do know the difference between forcible rape and seduction so please do not go there! This is something that will continue to happen. I have never seen anything in any newspapers or non-hunting magazines saying this guy spent $$$$$$ to harvest this animal is this what is hunting coming to? Selling meth is illeagal so I suggest you dont do it ;) :chuckle:! I said before none of us on here had a chance at that bull so who cares. I personally have no problem with it. As for the guys who do these kinds of hunts, I know some of them hunt their asses of like you and I and some do not! As far as being proud of their kills, I think they know that they did not do it by themselves and only have the horns to show for it and not the story. If I had the money to do this I would and maybe some day I will but I can tell you it would be all DYI (except for you fishing is for fools) and I will have a story to go with those horns! We need to stand together as hunters! Lets agree to disagree but support this passion we all have! :tup:
Post by: wastickslinger on October 01, 2008, 12:54:32 PM
Post by: GoldTip on October 01, 2008, 01:52:05 PM
You can like or dislike the way this animal was hunted and killed, thats entirely up to you. But please, think before you type any more moronic comments such as this.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on October 01, 2008, 01:55:18 PM
Post by: MuleySniper on October 01, 2008, 02:06:31 PM
I think he was juicing :chuckle: :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Id love to see that bull in person. Im sure pictures don't do much justice.
Post by: bucklucky on October 01, 2008, 02:18:16 PM
Trust me, I dont agree with the way it has been said to come down , I dont think that is fair chase hunting and agree with waht alot of folks are saying. I just want to know the REAL TRUTH to the hunt, if you can truely call it a hunt.
With that said, the mossback crew got it done again, another truely magnifiscant bull down! As for the hunt itself.........whatever ;)
I wish I was mounting that bad boy!
Post by: Muleyslyr on October 01, 2008, 02:28:34 PM
Post by: Intruder on October 01, 2008, 02:41:45 PM
Unbelievable bull though.... Wow!!!
Post by: Broken Arrow on October 01, 2008, 02:51:52 PM
Post by: bucklucky on October 01, 2008, 02:58:20 PM
Post by: bow4elk on October 01, 2008, 03:37:33 PM
And while I completely agree with the comments about sticking together as hunters, I do get nervous about the perceptions created by these publicized trophy hunts that seem to morally reduce hunting to the act of paying a huge sum of money for a huge rack and a "title". Perception is reality; right or wrong. If people percieve this as "hunting", then I think hunting as a whole has a real problem to deal with.
Imagine the uproar if this or any big dollar kill was on the evening news, being reported by a talking head who spews the stats while displaying the "team photo". Ok, so maybe over here on the west side it would have a larger impact given there are more trees to hug, thus more huggers. I can't help but think there would be an uproar. Heck, look at the backlash aimed at the WDFW shooting that bear in Lacey recently. There were over100 outraged commentaries about that to The Olympian. You think any of those readers are going to vote "for baiting" anytime soon? Don't think so.
I am sure a ton of effort went into this and most of these types of hunts. I just worry about perceptions.
Post by: JoshT on October 01, 2008, 04:10:09 PM
The bull was out in the sage. Everone with a monroe tag had an = shot at him. I've got no problem with how the hunt went down. :twocents:
Easy now... there's another side to this story. My brother lives in central Utah... and my uncle lives in the shadow of Monroe Mtn. where this bull was killed(?). They both run around there scouting quite a bit... and have seen and killed some absolute monster bulls on this mountain. Rumor has it that... this bull was seen several times in a high fenced field, with several other bulls and some domestic livestock, not far from where it was killed. Story even goes on to implicate this bull as being tame... even hand fed... then they loaded it in a trailer and moved it early in the season to take pics on the mountain... so as to make it all look legit.
Now, I don't know if it's true or not... but I have no reason to doubt the sources I heard the story from. Both parties champion Monroe Mtn. as the #1 bull mountain in all the world... they'd both be like proud parents if this bull was legit, and shot in their back yard... they would absolutely love it. Yet, both are very sceptical of the details... and they're actually quite sad about the way 'their mountain' got thrust into this controversy.
Big ass bull either way... but I'd rather shoot a cow, in the middle of nowhere, with one of my best buddies... than pay those monkeys from Mossback a plug nickle to show me a 400" bull.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on October 01, 2008, 04:19:54 PM
Its not like he's never gotten a 400" bull before.
Post by: boneaddict on October 01, 2008, 04:52:30 PM
Post by: boneaddict on October 01, 2008, 04:55:24 PM
Post by: bucklucky on October 01, 2008, 04:59:04 PM
Sorry, just playin.
Post by: actionshooter on October 01, 2008, 05:21:57 PM
But if there are paid people watching or scouting for an animal, then a hunter is whisked to the bull to kill it b/c he's got the cash. That really detracts from the hunting ideal. At that point it becomes strictly a buisiness, really really sad :(
Post by: Huntbear on October 01, 2008, 05:24:42 PM
Glad my daddy raised me right. I would rather shoot the local raghorn 4 & 5 pt. bulls for the rest of my life than to be involved in any hunt that another hunter may consider unethical. However, if this hunt was legit, then I would be the first in line to shake the man's hand.
That being said, I agree with one thing, DO NOT GIVE THE ANTI's ANY AMMO!!!!!!!!
Gawd that is a big bull elk!!!!!!! :drool: :drool: :drool:
Post by: bowsandhose on October 01, 2008, 05:28:13 PM
Post by: TheKid#10 on October 01, 2008, 05:38:24 PM
KID
Post by: Wea300mag on October 01, 2008, 05:50:07 PM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on October 01, 2008, 08:15:30 PM
Equating the way this bull was killed to forcible rape or to dealing Meth and the agreement of others with that statement is quite definitely the most foolish statement I have or hope to ever read on this website. I sat here after reading that and it took me ten minutes to be able to even type as the absolute idiocy sent my mind swimming. Seriously? Forcible rape or Meth dealing, Wow. It truly, truly scares me when someone who actually considers themselves a Sportsman would make a comment like that on a public website.
You can like or dislike the way this animal was hunted and killed, thats entirely up to you. But please, think before you type any more moronic comments such as this.
Good thing I got over my need for universal love and approval earlier in life, or I'd be out of hankies by now. Always feel a smidgen of pride, though, to get to be anyone's superlative.
They're called analogies - and no, that's not some obscure reference to something icky in prison showers. Choose to take analogies literally, that is your call. Find it moronic, that's your call too.
I absolutely do call myself a sportsman. I absolutely do think that auctioning off the biggest animals to the highest bidder is a huge threat to the American model of public ownership of wildlife, and public hunting. My feelings are no more averse to the circumstances of this auction tag snuff, than to any other; this is merely the most recent example.
I find it moronic that fellow sportsmen celebrate this, on a public website, in any way, shape or form. I don't feel the slightest bit bad for jacking the thread, either!
Atrocities committed to kill a trophy, legal or otherwise, and contrary to the spirit of fair chase, are far more repugnant to nonhunters than any other aspect of hunting. Nonhunters, much less antihunters, are far more emotional and less reasoned than hunters. For hunters to applaud this kind of activity fuels the perception that we are all a bunch of inferiority-complexed aberrant *censored*s who are so inadequate, we need to puff up our egos with trophies, and will do anything that it takes to get them.
Try a little research on nonhunters attitudes toward hunting - something we hunters in Washington should damned sure care about. WDFW, and many other state wildlife agencies, have conducted a lot of research on the subject. Mark Duda from Responsive Management has conducted quite a few of them. Over 80% of the nonhunters in this state currently support legal, regulated hunting. However, nonhunter support for trophy hunting is extremely low, and a perception of fairness - that the animals have a chance to prevail - is extremely important to that continued support of the majority of people in this state for hunting.
I believe that state agencies pimping out the biggest and best to the richest at auction, undermines the nonhunting public's perception of state wildlife agencies as responsible stewards of the public's wildlife.
I further believe that the biggest threat to hunting occurs through modern media, and by hunters. Classless snuff videos and disrespectful treatment of game by hunters, posted on YouTube and the like; Snuff TV shows on cable outdoor channels for nonhunting channel surfers; gangs of crazed web forum geeking out over the biggest killed by the richest at the highest price.
You worry about a couple of typed analogies equating felonies with the absolute worst of legal hunting as any kind of threat? Please! Now, that's moronic!
I consider myself a trophy hunter, in the sense that I enjoy the added challenge of passing on younger bucks and bulls when rifle hunting, in hopes of killing an older, mature animal. I love seeing photos of the biggest and best; I am passionate about it. You do not have to agree with me that this kind of discussion is exactly what we should be discussing on this site.
The moderators can decide this is counter-productive, lock the thread, nuke my posts, even bar me from the site - that's their perogative, and I won't grudge it if that happens. I'll stand by both of my posts on the subject. I reject the position that if it's legal, it's ok.
We as hunters had better get a whole bunch more concerned about our collective image, or we will lose this sport we love - or just ruin it for our kids. Our model of public ownership of wildlife, with hunting regulated to perpetuate game populations for the public's enjoyment, and that opportunity provided as equitably as possible to all qualified citizens, was founded in rejection of European models of private ownership of game by the wealthy. No matter how good and noble the motivation, preferentially doling out those opportunities at auction runs absolutely counter to the very foundation of our American hunting heritage, and seriously threatens to undermine it.
Post by: Red Dawg on October 01, 2008, 08:29:59 PM
Post by: elkaholic on October 01, 2008, 08:38:10 PM
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Post by: Ray on October 01, 2008, 08:45:59 PM
There sure are a lot of jealous people in the world. :hello: :hello:
An outfitter is comparable to some old man teaching his kid about hunting or a family working together and one person getting the critter..
Post by: bow4elk on October 01, 2008, 08:55:23 PM
Nobody is saying these auction hunts are illegal, high fenced, or otherwise shady. What the few of us are saying is that they deliver a message that degrades the non-hunting public's view of state game agencies and further degrade the overall perception of hunters. It doesn't matter that we all know the truth to how these big wallet hunts go down because we are the minority at the polls. Ignorance wins the ballot measures every single time.
I love capitalism and freedom. I love hard work and think anyone rich enough to hunt the world over should...and I'm green with envy.
Post by: Ray on October 01, 2008, 08:56:47 PM
;)
Post by: Opportunist on October 01, 2008, 09:05:29 PM
I agree fully with DOUBLELUNG.
Post by: jackelope on October 01, 2008, 09:11:23 PM
there are a whole lot of posts on this topin on MM. i visited this hell hole to see what all the hubbub was like over there.
there are a lot of the normal great bull posts, and a lot of hate this kind of hunt posts, and a few very logical posts in this thread if anybody hasn't seen it over there...
http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/DCForumID12/9912.html
it's almost worth the read.
Post by: Ray on October 01, 2008, 09:18:48 PM
Post by: GoldTip on October 01, 2008, 09:24:38 PM
Post by: Ray on October 01, 2008, 09:40:31 PM
Post by: Gutpile on October 02, 2008, 06:00:34 AM
Post by: GoldTip on October 02, 2008, 06:53:58 AM
Now I could have gone on to tell them that this was a Governors tag and is an abomination of the sport and that this was no different than forcible rape. That it was kind of like dealing meth but giving the profits to a charity. Now had I done that, just what do you all think their view of hunting would have been? Do you suppose they would have had a positive view of hunters? How do you think someone who's a non-hunter and had a son die from Meth addiction would feel hearing Governors tag hunting compared to the Meth epidemic. Or how about the non-hunting lady who has suffered a Rape, do you think she would appreciate an analogy such as this?
A public forum such as this, where we all know there are anti's and non-hunters lurking and reading our words, is not the place to use analogies such as were used. That is quite simply all I was trying to say. I am NOT trying to get anyone to agree with the issuing of Governors tags.
Post by: Gutpile on October 02, 2008, 07:19:19 AM
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I heard 500 and 3/8s so I'm not really sure I buy in to that 1/2 stuff.
My attemp at humor is lost on you. The first pic says 4/8's. 4/8's is 1/2. ;)
Post by: Intruder on October 02, 2008, 08:14:12 AM
After re-reading through the posts it occurred to me that the overall concerns being expressed by both you and Doublelung are very much the same in the sense of trying to make sure that negative images about hunting are not projected to the non-hunting public.
Post by: Ray on October 02, 2008, 08:19:17 AM
Post by: bucklucky on October 02, 2008, 08:31:32 AM
Post by: backwoods_boy on October 02, 2008, 08:54:10 AM
this thread is so funny...
good luck everyone this year!
May your hunts be everything they should be.
Post by: Slider on October 02, 2008, 09:04:37 AM
Beautiful Animal!!! I read somewhere the guy Hunted 28 days strait!!! Don't blame the Hunter!!! Blame the system!!!
Post by: provider on October 02, 2008, 09:11:17 AM
I have long said, “the internet will be the demise of hunting”, and stories like these moral compromised, commercialized, teamed efforts, huge entouraged, financial transaction killings of our wildlife, will only expedite that process. Non-hunting public perception is incredibly important to the future of hunting and these situations jeopardize its existence. Fortunately, we can use the very same medium to counteract the negative affect, and we must do so. This is exactly what we should be discussing on this forum, and we have an obligation to do it. To do the right thing for hunting, something so important to us all. I guess there will be those who want to debate in support of these disgusting methods, but when I question the practice, I wasn’t asking anybody, wondering, curious if it is wrong… I was telling you.
It’s disappointing to see so many just resigned to, “that’s the way it is, and the way it’s always going to be”. Do something about it. Do what is right and help preserve our traditional hunting values.
And those of you quick to suggest that sentiment is merely jealousy, don’t know who you are talking to. Cause it just ain’t so.
Post by: Cylvertip on October 02, 2008, 09:13:47 AM
I'm not real fond of paying for hunts, but I've got to say that those boys from Mossback (and the guys in the Blues) really do there homework and put in the effort to be able to track these big boys through out the year like this and then take them when no one else has - some of these big bulls are taken in late rifle seasons after lots of folks have had the opportunity. But I guess with the prices being charged by the guides, ( I don't even want to know how much) they can afford an army to keep tabs on them.......
Post by: Ray on October 02, 2008, 09:28:49 AM
Oh and I wasn't asking either. I was telling. But I am not trying to tell you what is right. I was telling you what I think. There is a distinction between them in the fact that I am not getting people up in arms about nothing and to go forth and "Do something about it". If the internet is the demise of hunting then I suppose that just being on this board is contributing to it.
Post by: provider on October 02, 2008, 10:00:12 AM
And I would say that if you believe this topic is much adieu about "nothing"... that is contributing to hunting's demise.
Post by: Ray on October 02, 2008, 10:05:37 AM
Post by: backwoods_boy on October 02, 2008, 10:53:39 AM
what?? We can dream cant we....?
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on October 02, 2008, 11:03:09 AM
Post by: TheKid#10 on October 02, 2008, 12:45:18 PM
KID
Post by: TheHunt on October 02, 2008, 03:07:42 PM
Post by: Ray on October 02, 2008, 03:41:30 PM
I was wondering if any of you would be jealous or envious of me if you saw me out with an unbelievably gorgeous knockout woman on my arm? Only to find out I had paid her a ton of money to be there, (escort). Even if I had put in a ton of time researching escorts and looking over tons of women in brothels coast to coast? :chuckle:
KID
:chuckle:
Post by: fishing is for fools on October 02, 2008, 07:25:18 PM
TWO, I don't like that a big bull like that or the one here in WA, makes it hard to go hunting in a area that I grew up hunting and
now it takes 12 years to get a tag, how am I going to take my kid hunting in the same spots my dad did to me. I know that change in rules and regs are good for producing big bulls. But I don't want to get old waiting for a tag, because there is three times as many people applying for the tag and not counting the nonres applying too. What can I do besides hunting some where else.
Post by: Slider on October 02, 2008, 08:41:37 PM
Post by: alecvg on October 02, 2008, 08:45:41 PM
Post by: rasbo on October 05, 2008, 10:13:43 AM
Post by: fishing is for fools on October 05, 2008, 10:24:40 AM
Post by: flyguide on October 06, 2008, 08:45:04 PM
There are players and there are fans and only the fans would be impressed with this commercial kill.
Preach on brotha!
Post by: georgia redneck on October 06, 2008, 09:40:18 PM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on October 07, 2008, 02:55:30 PM