Post by: JohnVH on March 26, 2013, 09:52:58 AM
I know I must get a .223 barrel, just because its cheap to shoot. I have a 45-70 barrel thats FUN, but its slow and doesnt go far...
Post by: NRA4LIFE on March 26, 2013, 10:00:56 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 26, 2013, 10:01:24 AM
Carpsniper's got one in .223 I think if I remember correctly.
Post by: 300rum on March 26, 2013, 01:04:29 PM
I liked to reload for the 7x30 Waters. It can be a real burner when handloaded for that cartridge and able to take just about anything you want.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 26, 2013, 01:17:58 PM
My advice is get a longer barreled tc g2 or encore. If you get a old tc choices are limited. There is a lot of great picks for the g2 or encore pistol. Recoil is another thing. I shoot a 7mm-08 handgun a lot. Its more then most shooters will want to shoot or can shoot well. I would maybe look to the 6.8 I think it would make a great deer gun at 100y and recoil won't be bad.
Post by: RadSav on March 26, 2013, 01:23:59 PM
Post by: CP on March 26, 2013, 01:35:43 PM
Post by: Noiro on March 26, 2013, 01:42:13 PM
Post by: JohnVH on March 26, 2013, 01:54:46 PM
Post by: buck man on March 26, 2013, 05:24:01 PM
Post by: romaknows on March 26, 2013, 05:48:01 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 26, 2013, 05:50:06 PM
Already got the G1 with a super14 45-70. Just looking for some other barrel options, Im already addicted to it. haha.
Here is a great place to shop for some barrels.
http://edstc.com/ (http://edstc.com/)
Post by: JohnVH on March 26, 2013, 05:54:04 PM
Vid of the 45-70
45/70 Thompson Contender first shots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh7a0LkVsB4#ws)
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 26, 2013, 05:57:23 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 26, 2013, 06:32:51 PM
www.encoreclassifieds.com
Post by: jackelope on March 26, 2013, 06:34:31 PM
Post by: Zardoz on March 26, 2013, 06:39:36 PM
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 26, 2013, 06:42:32 PM
You have to be careful with the encore contender rifles because it is technically illegal use them as a pistol.
If this was directed as me, yes you are correct. I have enough problems without adding possession of a SBR added to them!! They certainly do make it easy to break some rules though.
Post by: flysar on March 26, 2013, 06:43:28 PM
It's definitely addictive.
If I was to buy one a predator/deer barrel that I could buy ammo for I would buy a 7x30 Waters or the 6.8 SPC. Overkill for yotes but would easily handle a big cat if you called one in.
If you reload then I'd look for a 6.5 TCU. Originally designed for silhouette shooters but has killed plenty of deer and predators.
I now use my 18" 6.5 JDJ as a carbine for predator hunting and it is easily a 250yd deer round.
Post by: JohnVH on March 26, 2013, 07:32:41 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 26, 2013, 08:07:20 PM
Wasn't directed at anyone specific. I have 2 Encore rifles and really want a pistol. Truth be told, nothing would probably ever happen, but I won't do it anyway. Should have picked up 1 that started life as a pistol, then I could do it either way. Oh well, live and learn.You have to be careful with the encore contender rifles because it is technically illegal use them as a pistol.
If this was directed as me, yes you are correct. I have enough problems without adding possession of a SBR added to them!! They certainly do make it easy to break some rules though.
Post by: 6x6in6 on March 26, 2013, 08:38:55 PM
I love mine, just don't shoot it enough.
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 26, 2013, 08:42:59 PM
Wasn't directed at anyone specific. I have 2 Encore rifles and really want a pistol. Truth be told, nothing would probably ever happen, but I won't do it anyway. Should have picked up 1 that started life as a pistol, then I could do it either way. Oh well, live and learn.You have to be careful with the encore contender rifles because it is technically illegal use them as a pistol.
If this was directed as me, yes you are correct. I have enough problems without adding possession of a SBR added to them!! They certainly do make it easy to break some rules though.
Got it. I know that there are many people who would probably not even blink an eye at putting the pistol barrel on the rifle or changing it up unaware of the law.
Post by: JohnVH on March 26, 2013, 08:55:41 PM
Post by: actionshooter on March 26, 2013, 09:00:48 PM
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 26, 2013, 09:05:12 PM
7x30 is awesome for deer, but for me the best shooter has been a super 14 .223. I have shot several 3/4" groups....its unreal for a pistol.
You guys are killing me! I will probably have one of these within a week if I keep reading this.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 26, 2013, 09:07:24 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 26, 2013, 09:22:02 PM
Post by: lee on March 27, 2013, 07:09:43 AM
I have a Super 14 in .35 Rem with a 2x scope.
With my handloads I have no problem ring'un the gong at the 200 yd line.
Lee
Post by: JohnVH on March 27, 2013, 07:59:37 AM
Post by: CP on March 27, 2013, 08:19:13 AM
How hard are some of those rounds to get? 7x30, 35 rem, odd stuff Ive never heard of before the contender.. And I do reload.
The .35 Remington is still a very popular chambering back east. These days it’s probably easier to find .35 rem ammo and components than it is to find .223 or .308
Midway has bullets in stock now:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/556754/hornady-interlock-bullets-35-caliber-358-diameter-180-grain-spire-point-single-shot-pistol-box-of-100 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/556754/hornady-interlock-bullets-35-caliber-358-diameter-180-grain-spire-point-single-shot-pistol-box-of-100)
Post by: jackelope on March 27, 2013, 09:40:35 AM
http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=153 (http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=153)
I've done 1, 2, 3 and 7(on my .300win mag barrel) with great results.
The same stuff applies for pistols too in most cases.
Post by: 6x6in6 on March 29, 2013, 01:41:55 PM
How hard are some of those rounds to get? 7x30, 35 rem, odd stuff Ive never heard of before the contender.. And I do reload.Many of the items you need for reloading or simply buying box ammo for the 7-30.....
http://www.midwayusa.com/find?userSearchQuery=7-30+waters+ (http://www.midwayusa.com/find?userSearchQuery=7-30+waters+)
Post by: JohnVH on March 29, 2013, 02:03:08 PM
Post by: 300rum on March 29, 2013, 03:33:46 PM
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 29, 2013, 03:42:45 PM
Addict :chuckle: :tup:
I hate you all, I have a 30-06 barrel on the way now just need to find a receiver!
Post by: JohnVH on March 29, 2013, 03:47:39 PM
Addict :chuckle: :tup:
I hate you all, I have a 30-06 barrel on the way now just need to find a receiver!
:sry: :chuckle:
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 29, 2013, 03:51:44 PM
Addict :chuckle: :tup:
I hate you all, I have a 30-06 barrel on the way now just need to find a receiver!
:sry: :chuckle:
It will compliment the 28" 30-06 Pro Hunter in the safe!
Post by: JakeLand on March 29, 2013, 04:34:07 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 29, 2013, 04:40:25 PM
Addict :chuckle: :tup:
I hate you all, I have a 30-06 barrel on the way now just need to find a receiver!
:sry: :chuckle:
It will compliment the 28" 30-06 Pro Hunter in the safe!
Hahaha to funny!
Post by: Bigshooter on March 29, 2013, 05:00:01 PM
Mine have all been registered as pistols. And I thought that all of them had to be.Wasn't directed at anyone specific. I have 2 Encore rifles and really want a pistol. Truth be told, nothing would probably ever happen, but I won't do it anyway. Should have picked up 1 that started life as a pistol, then I could do it either way. Oh well, live and learn.You have to be careful with the encore contender rifles because it is technically illegal use them as a pistol.
If this was directed as me, yes you are correct. I have enough problems without adding possession of a SBR added to them!! They certainly do make it easy to break some rules though.
Post by: Bigshooter on March 29, 2013, 05:08:15 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 29, 2013, 08:29:17 PM
Good read here.
http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=239 (http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=239)
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 29, 2013, 08:32:29 PM
To legally be a pistol, it has to have started life as a pistol at the factory.
Good read here.
http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=239 (http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=239)
...and my pistol receiver is on its way.
Post by: yorketransport on March 29, 2013, 09:11:46 PM
My favorite factory round in the Contender is the 7x30. Best wild cat was the 6.5 JDJ. That's for small game and predators. For serious hunting the 375 JDJ is pretty hard to beat!
Andrew
Post by: Bigshooter on March 30, 2013, 07:47:35 AM
To legally be a pistol, it has to have started life as a pistol at the factory.
Good read here.
http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=239 (http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=239)
That was confusing. But the way I read it is that the supreme court says it is legal to switch back and forth. But the BATF says that it is not. I would assume that the supreme court ruling would stand up in any court? :dunno:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 30, 2013, 08:53:40 AM
To legally be a pistol, it has to have started life as a pistol at the factory.
Good read here.
http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=239 (http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=239)
That was confusing. But the way I read it is that the supreme court says it is legal to switch back and forth. But the BATF says that it is not. I would assume that the supreme court ruling would stand up in any court? :dunno:
To further elaborate: "t is legal to switch back and forth" from a pistol to a rifle, but not from a rifle to a pistol. The legal determination of what is a pistol or rifle is determined by how it left the factory, and it will never change throughout the life of the firearm, unless NFA procedures are undertaken, for example, to create a SBR.
So you can take what is legally a pistol and put a stock and rifle barrel on it. But you cannot take what is legally a rifle and remove the stock and place a barrel less than 16" on it, without undertaking the risk of a federal felony prosecution, however remote.
Thus, it's always good to know or check what your receiver started out as and keep them that way, or limit yourself to pistol to rifle conversion and back, and nothing else. In practice? That's up to your informed decision.
Post by: jackelope on March 30, 2013, 09:24:11 AM
I'll need a pistol though, one of these days I think.
Post by: Bigshooter on March 30, 2013, 09:41:07 AM
To legally be a pistol, it has to have started life as a pistol at the factory.
Good read here.
http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=239 (http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=239)
That was confusing. But the way I read it is that the supreme court says it is legal to switch back and forth. But the BATF says that it is not. I would assume that the supreme court ruling would stand up in any court? :dunno:
To further elaborate: "t is legal to switch back and forth" from a pistol to a rifle, but not from a rifle to a pistol. The legal determination of what is a pistol or rifle is determined by how it left the factory, and it will never change throughout the life of the firearm, unless NFA procedures are undertaken, for example, to create a SBR.
So you can take what is legally a pistol and put a stock and rifle barrel on it. But you cannot take what is legally a rifle and remove the stock and place a barrel less than 16" on it, without undertaking the risk of a federal felony prosecution, however remote.
Thus, it's always good to know or check what your receiver started out as and keep them that way, or limit yourself to pistol to rifle conversion and back, and nothing else. In practice? That's up to your informed decision.
The following was hand entered verbatum from the policy statement sent to me by US Mail from Tim Pancurak at Thompson Center Arms Co.:
Notice Concerning Encore/Contender Pistols and Carbines
Thompson/Center Arms Co. went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court to establish the lawfulness of the Contender pistol and Carbine (including the carbine kit), and won. The Supreme Court opinion also establishes the legality of the Encore system, which has similar interchangeable parts.
With these systems, a receiver may be assembled either with a pistol grip and pistol barrel, or with a shoulder stock and rifle barrrel (minimum length 16 inches). A barrel under 16 inches in length must never be assembled onto the reciever when the shoulder stock is attached. Within that parameter, the consumer may use the parts to make a pistol or carbine, and may change the configuration at will.
In 1988, Thompson/Center filed suit against the United States alleging that the pistol and carbine kit used above do not constitute a rifle with a barrel less than 16 inches in length, a weapon made from a rifle with an overall length less than 26 inches, or a restricted "firearm" as otherwise defined in the National Firearms Act. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit and the U.S. Supreme Court agreed with Thompson/Center. Their opinions are cited as United States v. Thompson/Center Arms Co., 504 U.S. 505 (1992), affirming 924 F.2d 1041 (Fed. Cir. 1991).
In the trial court and in the Federal Circuit, the United States argued both that (1) the mere unassembled parts constituted a rifle with a barrel under 16 inches in length, and that (2) use of the receiver to assemble a pistol after a rifle had been assembled constituted making a weapon from a rifle with an overall length less than 26 inches. The Federal Circuit rejected both arguments. See 924 F.2d at 1043, citing 26 U.S.C. 5845 (a) (3) and (4). The United States abandoned the latter argument in the Supreme Court, which held generally for Thompson/Center. Accordingly, both issues (1) and (2) were decided in favor of Thompson/Center and are not now open to question.
Thus, the sale, possession, and use of the Contender or Encore pistol and carbine as described are fully in accord with federal law. The use of these products in all of the States is likewise lawful, except that certain restrictions may apply in California.
Post by: JohnVH on March 30, 2013, 09:54:40 AM
TC pistol 300 yards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCZw43KMHJI#ws)
Post by: 300rum on March 30, 2013, 02:13:54 PM
Hey 300rum do you still reload 7x30 waters I got onr recently
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 30, 2013, 09:25:30 PM
To legally be a pistol, it has to have started life as a pistol at the factory.
Good read here.
http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=239 (http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=239)
That was confusing. But the way I read it is that the supreme court says it is legal to switch back and forth. But the BATF says that it is not. I would assume that the supreme court ruling would stand up in any court? :dunno:
To further elaborate: "t is legal to switch back and forth" from a pistol to a rifle, but not from a rifle to a pistol. The legal determination of what is a pistol or rifle is determined by how it left the factory, and it will never change throughout the life of the firearm, unless NFA procedures are undertaken, for example, to create a SBR.
So you can take what is legally a pistol and put a stock and rifle barrel on it. But you cannot take what is legally a rifle and remove the stock and place a barrel less than 16" on it, without undertaking the risk of a federal felony prosecution, however remote.
Thus, it's always good to know or check what your receiver started out as and keep them that way, or limit yourself to pistol to rifle conversion and back, and nothing else. In practice? That's up to your informed decision.
The following was hand entered verbatum from the policy statement sent to me by US Mail from Tim Pancurak at Thompson Center Arms Co.:
Notice Concerning Encore/Contender Pistols and Carbines
Thompson/Center Arms Co. went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court to establish the lawfulness of the Contender pistol and Carbine (including the carbine kit), and won. The Supreme Court opinion also establishes the legality of the Encore system, which has similar interchangeable parts.
With these systems, a receiver may be assembled either with a pistol grip and pistol barrel, or with a shoulder stock and rifle barrrel (minimum length 16 inches). A barrel under 16 inches in length must never be assembled onto the reciever when the shoulder stock is attached. Within that parameter, the consumer may use the parts to make a pistol or carbine, and may change the configuration at will.
In 1988, Thompson/Center filed suit against the United States alleging that the pistol and carbine kit used above do not constitute a rifle with a barrel less than 16 inches in length, a weapon made from a rifle with an overall length less than 26 inches, or a restricted "firearm" as otherwise defined in the National Firearms Act. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit and the U.S. Supreme Court agreed with Thompson/Center. Their opinions are cited as United States v. Thompson/Center Arms Co., 504 U.S. 505 (1992), affirming 924 F.2d 1041 (Fed. Cir. 1991).
In the trial court and in the Federal Circuit, the United States argued both that (1) the mere unassembled parts constituted a rifle with a barrel under 16 inches in length, and that (2) use of the receiver to assemble a pistol after a rifle had been assembled constituted making a weapon from a rifle with an overall length less than 26 inches. The Federal Circuit rejected both arguments. See 924 F.2d at 1043, citing 26 U.S.C. 5845 (a) (3) and (4). The United States abandoned the latter argument in the Supreme Court, which held generally for Thompson/Center. Accordingly, both issues (1) and (2) were decided in favor of Thompson/Center and are not now open to question.
Thus, the sale, possession, and use of the Contender or Encore pistol and carbine as described are fully in accord with federal law. The use of these products in all of the States is likewise lawful, except that certain restrictions may apply in California.
You probably could have C&P'd that from the bellmtc site linked above.
Post by: Fishmasterdan on March 31, 2013, 05:38:45 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 31, 2013, 08:22:46 AM
Distance shooting would be a 6.5 BRM or 6.5 JDJ. The 7x30 waters comes in a close second. I use a folding stock and 16 1/4" barrels so I can carry in my pack while riding off road. I also have the original version.
What is the weight of that folder setup and how does it shoot? Interested in doing that with one too. Did you buy the barrel as is or have one cut down?
Post by: JohnVH on March 31, 2013, 08:27:58 AM
Post by: JohnVH on April 01, 2013, 09:45:38 AM
45-70 TC beer can test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FKlVPQcuTc#ws)
Post by: h20hunter on April 01, 2013, 09:48:02 AM
Post by: Fishmasterdan on April 01, 2013, 05:05:53 PM
What is the weight of that folder setup and how does it shoot? Interested in doing that with one too. Did you buy the barrel as is or have one cut down?
Not sure of the weight. Shoots lights out with an accuracy barrel from an e arthur brown 6.5 BRM wildcat. Had everything done by E arthur brown. They got me the fore end/stock/and the barrel.