Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 05:12:50 PM
Post by: oldleclercrd on March 26, 2013, 05:21:14 PM
Post by: Bob33 on March 26, 2013, 05:22:08 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 26, 2013, 05:22:44 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 26, 2013, 05:24:14 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 05:31:16 PM
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 26, 2013, 05:34:20 PM
You guys are all gonna think im dumb but whats OIL, and what exactly will i not be able to apply for? The multi season? Or the other special game? Id like to atleast get a 2nd deer tag, i got a great lead on a spot. Is that doable?
Once in a Lifetime Harvest.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/)
Post by: Bob33 on March 26, 2013, 05:36:29 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 05:37:40 PM
Ok thanks for clearing that up. Is it something you can only get once then?You guys are all gonna think im dumb but whats OIL, and what exactly will i not be able to apply for? The multi season? Or the other special game? Id like to atleast get a 2nd deer tag, i got a great lead on a spot. Is that doable?
Once in a Lifetime Harvest.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/)
Post by: deerslyr on March 26, 2013, 05:37:50 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 05:39:50 PM
OIL is a euphemistic acronym for Once In a Lifetime. A more fitting acronym is NOIL Bighorn sheep, moose, and mountain goat. are once in a lifetime permitsJeesh literally? Once in a lifetime. Is this why guys go to other states to fill tags to? Bare with me you guys are my teachers whether you like it or not :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on March 26, 2013, 05:40:39 PM
You guys are all gonna think im dumb but whats OIL, and what exactly will i not be able to apply for? The multi season? Or the other special game? Id like to atleast get a 2nd deer tag, i got a great lead on a spot. Is that doable?
No. The only permits you'll be able to apply for are moose, sheep and goats.
Post by: jackelope on March 26, 2013, 05:41:54 PM
OIL is a euphemistic acronym for Once In a Lifetime. A more fitting acronym is NOIL Bighorn sheep, moose, and mountain goat. are once in a lifetime permitsJeesh literally? Once in a lifetime. Is this why guys go to other states to fill tags to? Bare with me you guys are my teachers whether you like it or not :chuckle:
Our OIL's are OIL's with very difficult to draw permits in most other states too. I think a lot of guys go to other states because the hunting is better, and/or it's easier to draw permits for quality animals.
Post by: Bigshooter on March 26, 2013, 05:43:38 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on March 26, 2013, 05:43:59 PM
Possible downside may be the requirement for the hunters to still hunt together come fall if he passed hunter's ed and got his certificate between times??? Don't know if having the certificate would change that or not...but just an idea to toss out to help him get into all the permit drawings without having to wait another year.
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 05:44:58 PM
Post by: snowpack on March 26, 2013, 05:45:43 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 05:46:39 PM
Better then nothing I guess. If i didnt draw a tag which is very likely, do those stack points for the following year or no?You guys are all gonna think im dumb but whats OIL, and what exactly will i not be able to apply for? The multi season? Or the other special game? Id like to atleast get a 2nd deer tag, i got a great lead on a spot. Is that doable?
No. The only permits you'll be able to apply for are moose, sheep and goats.
Post by: jackelope on March 26, 2013, 05:47:00 PM
If somebody that lives close to Smossy were inclined, they could sign up with him for the one year, hunter ed deferral, so he could purchase a license and get started in the drawings before the cut-off date....he could still take the course then as scheduled.
Possible downside may be the requirement for the hunters to still hunt together come fall if he passed hunter's ed and got his certificate between times??? Don't know if having the certificate would change that or not...but just an idea to toss out to help him get into all the permit drawings without having to wait another year.
There's a thought.
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 05:47:29 PM
I know in the past you could get a hunting license for one year without passing a hunter ed class. Not sure what that program was called or if it still is in place or what you have to do to qualify to get the one year exemption. But if you can do that you could apply for multi season now then get your hunter ed done later this year.Sounds fishy.. anyone?
Post by: jackelope on March 26, 2013, 05:47:40 PM
Better then nothing I guess. If i didnt draw a tag which is very likely, do those stack points for the following year or no?You guys are all gonna think im dumb but whats OIL, and what exactly will i not be able to apply for? The multi season? Or the other special game? Id like to atleast get a 2nd deer tag, i got a great lead on a spot. Is that doable?
No. The only permits you'll be able to apply for are moose, sheep and goats.
Yes. Thats why you should do it...start building points now.
Post by: Bigshooter on March 26, 2013, 05:48:07 PM
I know in the past you could get a hunting license for one year without passing a hunter ed class. Not sure what that program was called or if it still is in place or what you have to do to qualify to get the one year exemption. But if you can do that you could apply for multi season now then get your hunter ed done later this year.Sounds fishy.. anyone?
It's the samething blacktail sniper is talking about.
Post by: deerslyr on March 26, 2013, 05:49:47 PM
I know in the past you could get a hunting license for one year without passing a hunter ed class. Not sure what that program was called or if it still is in place or what you have to do to qualify to get the one year exemption. But if you can do that you could apply for multi season now then get your hunter ed done later this year.Sounds fishy.. anyone?
Roy Boys girl friend did that last year I do believe
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 05:50:10 PM
If somebody that lives close to Smossy were inclined, they could sign up with him for the one year, hunter ed deferral, so he could purchase a license and get started in the drawings before the cut-off date....he could still take the course then as scheduled.So what, person x would basically be my temporary field teacher for that year then? Im getting the class done this year one way or another. I have too many things to do as far as hunting goes to risk passing it up.
Possible downside may be the requirement for the hunters to still hunt together come fall if he passed hunter's ed and got his certificate between times??? Don't know if having the certificate would change that or not...but just an idea to toss out to help him get into all the permit drawings without having to wait another year.
Post by: bobcat on March 26, 2013, 05:50:23 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 26, 2013, 05:50:35 PM
It's legit.I know in the past you could get a hunting license for one year without passing a hunter ed class. Not sure what that program was called or if it still is in place or what you have to do to qualify to get the one year exemption. But if you can do that you could apply for multi season now then get your hunter ed done later this year.Sounds fishy.. anyone?
I've done it with 2 kids in the past. I sign as their leader or mentor or escort or whatever they call it. I had to stay within X distance of them and they could get hunting license and hunt. The 1st kid I went with, his dad was in Iraq and couldn't get him into hunters ed in time. He came home from overseas in September and I had the kid all dialed in and ready to hunt come October. I just had to be with him at all times. Whoever is the leader has to have had a hunting license for the last 3 consecutive years. His dad didn't buy a license the year he was in Iraq so I did it for them.
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 05:53:26 PM
Interesting, Ive never heard of this, but then again it would have to be a fellow bowhunter as I cant play with guns anymore. Ill have to look into it alittle. Anyone know the specific name or RCW in relation?I know in the past you could get a hunting license for one year without passing a hunter ed class. Not sure what that program was called or if it still is in place or what you have to do to qualify to get the one year exemption. But if you can do that you could apply for multi season now then get your hunter ed done later this year.Sounds fishy.. anyone?
Roy Boys girl friend did that last year I do believe
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 05:54:24 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/huntered/he_deferral.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/huntered/he_deferral.html)Thanks bocat. Sorry =m kinda slow with keeping up and replys. Im in my phone.
Post by: bobcat on March 26, 2013, 05:54:44 PM
Post by: deerslyr on March 26, 2013, 05:56:37 PM
I'm not sure you really need to worry about deer and elk points for this year. You're only going to be archery hunting anyway, so drawing a permit isn't critical, unless you want to hunt bull elk on the east side. But it sounds like you'll be staying close to home. You'll be fine with just the general season hunts. Not that you don't want to start building some points. But I wouldn't go too much out of your way to try to do so.
Hit the nail on the head. I do think the multi season permit could be of great use to him though, the more field time the better. Ull get three seasons of learning in one.
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 05:57:46 PM
That was nice of you man. Kudos!It's legit.I know in the past you could get a hunting license for one year without passing a hunter ed class. Not sure what that program was called or if it still is in place or what you have to do to qualify to get the one year exemption. But if you can do that you could apply for multi season now then get your hunter ed done later this year.Sounds fishy.. anyone?
I've done it with 2 kids in the past. I sign as their leader or mentor or escort or whatever they call it. I had to stay within X distance of them and they could get hunting license and hunt. The 1st kid I went with, his dad was in Iraq and couldn't get him into hunters ed in time. He came home from overseas in September and I had the kid all dialed in and ready to hunt come October. I just had to be with him at all times. Whoever is the leader has to have had a hunting license for the last 3 consecutive years. His dad didn't buy a license the year he was in Iraq so I did it for them.
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 06:00:17 PM
I'm not sure you really need to worry about deer and elk points for this year. You're only going to be archery hunting anyway, so drawing a permit isn't critical, unless you want to hunt bull elk on the east side. But it sounds like you'll be staying close to home. You'll be fine with just the general season hunts. Not that you don't want to start building some points. But I wouldn't go too much out of your way to try to do so.I wanna head up by okanagen maybe. I wont be going too muchh further east than the cascades though. I just want multi deer and maybe the 3 deer tag. Not sure whats required i guess i should have specified.
Post by: Bob33 on March 26, 2013, 06:01:02 PM
Post by: snowpack on March 26, 2013, 06:02:51 PM
Interesting, Ive never heard of this, but then again it would have to be a fellow bowhunter as I cant play with guns anymore. Ill have to look into it alittle. Anyone know the specific name or RCW in relation?I'm curious since you mentioned this, and not to drift too far off topic. But how does that affect completing the second part of hunter's ed. Don't they gather a bunch of people up at a gun range and make you shoot?
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 06:03:31 PM
A hunter with the deferral option is not eligible to apply for special permits.Hmm ok then problem solved. Shoot for an earlier class or im burnt.
Post by: Alan K on March 26, 2013, 06:04:31 PM
Interesting, Ive never heard of this, but then again it would have to be a fellow bowhunter as I cant play with guns anymore. Ill have to look into it alittle. Anyone know the specific name or RCW in relation?I'm curious since you mentioned this, and not to drift too far off topic. But how does that affect completing the second part of hunter's ed. Don't they gather a bunch of people up at a gun range and make you shoot?
Not all of them, heck my girlfriend shot an air rifle for hers in Idaho! :yike:
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 06:06:49 PM
The hunter ed teacher has to be willing to accomidate for it. They make you sign paperwork and they have other tasks for you.Interesting, Ive never heard of this, but then again it would have to be a fellow bowhunter as I cant play with guns anymore. Ill have to look into it alittle. Anyone know the specific name or RCW in relation?I'm curious since you mentioned this, and not to drift too far off topic. But how does that affect completing the second part of hunter's ed. Don't they gather a bunch of people up at a gun range and make you shoot?
Post by: Bob33 on March 26, 2013, 06:07:54 PM
Anyone know the specific name or RCW in relation?http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-12-228 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-12-228)
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 06:09:53 PM
Never thought of that but it sounds likely. I can handle and use/own airrifles, just nothing that is propelled by an explosive i.e. gunpowder.Interesting, Ive never heard of this, but then again it would have to be a fellow bowhunter as I cant play with guns anymore. Ill have to look into it alittle. Anyone know the specific name or RCW in relation?I'm curious since you mentioned this, and not to drift too far off topic. But how does that affect completing the second part of hunter's ed. Don't they gather a bunch of people up at a gun range and make you shoot?
Not all of them, heck my girlfriend shot an air rifle for hers in Idaho! :yike:
Post by: Bob33 on March 26, 2013, 06:12:43 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 06:20:29 PM
You are not required to shoot a firearm to pass hunter education.Hope not, cause I cant :chuckle:
Post by: Bob33 on March 26, 2013, 06:28:28 PM
No need to hope. It's policy. If an instructor incorrectly requires firearm handling or shooting, I would suggest contacting WDFW in Olympia.You are not required to shoot a firearm to pass hunter education.Hope not, cause I cant :chuckle:
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 06:32:44 PM
Roger that. So no shooting, no special tags, but I can start applying for my OILs, is the fishing wildid the same as hunting wildid?No need to hope. It's policy. If an instructor incorrectly requires firearm handling or shooting, I would suggest contacting WDFW in Olympia.You are not required to shoot a firearm to pass hunter education.Hope not, cause I cant :chuckle:
Post by: Bob33 on March 26, 2013, 06:41:29 PM
Another option is purchasing raffle tickets which can be done without a hunting license. The odds of drawing one are not a whole lot worse than applying for the best permits for deer, elk, and the OIL species.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 26, 2013, 06:46:01 PM
Plus it keeps one from being caught with their britches down in the field doing the wrong thing, and not knowing it! :tup:
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 06:50:53 PM
Heres a thought if you haven't already done it, read the hunting regulations front to back. A lot of what is discussed on here will be revealed. I do this every year when the new ones hit the street, it's our responsibility as hunters to do so.Ive tried to do that, even with fishing...and fish every year. Its hard for me to retain information led alone keep up with all the new changes. It is def a responsibility as a hunter no doubt, but if you cant retain what you read then you cant. Thats why i usually just shoot right to my questions of interest and throw them on here. I cant ask the book questions. They say its the best way to learn and it works for me. Just sayin.
Plus it keeps one from being caught with their britches down in the field doing the wrong thing, and not knowing it! :tup:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 26, 2013, 07:15:53 PM
Post by: Alan K on March 26, 2013, 07:24:29 PM
Post by: rtspring on March 26, 2013, 07:31:11 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 07:34:14 PM
So how do you retain what you read hear about the regs? :dunno:i just told you. If theres something i want to know i ak "hunting-washington" i didnt say i dont retain i said i have a hard time. Its like reading latin. I a 1 - c area 443 unit 4
Post by: buckfvr on March 26, 2013, 07:47:37 PM
When the regs come out, get a stack of them and put one where you sit for TV, one by the toilet, one in the rig.....you get the picture......read'em, and read'em some more......2012s are beside me this moment.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 26, 2013, 07:59:46 PM
Keep asking we will help! :tup:
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 11:04:15 PM
No that I don't want to help, just curious how he retains info.Dont worry Im not special or nothing. No offense to anyone that may have a handicapped child/family member or any special needs themselves. Just clairifying. I just literally have a hard time reading some stuff. Regulations being one of them. Its like trying to remember the dictionary it seems.
Keep asking we will help! :tup:
Post by: Smossy on March 26, 2013, 11:04:55 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 27, 2013, 12:40:17 AM
If it were me I would get a multi season permit and apply for the better late hunts, not just limited to the archery season late hunts.
This way you can hunt all three seasons with your bow, or be able to hunt with someone willing to get you the deferral, you will just need to get yourself a orange vest.
If you don't get a multi season permit then you can still get the same tag as the person with the deferral, you just use your archery gear instead of a rifle/muzzy if that is the season they are hunting.
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on March 27, 2013, 04:01:00 AM
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Post by: D-Rock425 on March 27, 2013, 05:18:20 AM
Mossy being that your a felon how can you take hunters ed? Yoyo have to handle and shoot a firearm in class don't you?let the class instructor know and they will work with with you. You can handle a bow for the class.
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Post by: jackelope on March 27, 2013, 07:29:54 AM
Mossy being that your a felon how can you take hunters ed? Yoyo have to handle and shoot a firearm in class don't you?
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No you do not. Bob33 explained it earlier in this thread.
Post by: jackelope on March 27, 2013, 07:30:27 AM
You are not required to shoot a firearm to pass hunter education.
;)
Post by: jackelope on March 27, 2013, 07:31:00 AM
No need to hope. It's policy. If an instructor incorrectly requires firearm handling or shooting, I would suggest contacting WDFW in Olympia.You are not required to shoot a firearm to pass hunter education.Hope not, cause I cant :chuckle:
Post by: D-Rock425 on March 27, 2013, 07:48:14 AM
Post by: arees on March 27, 2013, 08:07:14 AM
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on March 27, 2013, 08:16:31 AM
Mossy being that your a felon how can you take hunters ed? Yoyo have to handle and shoot a firearm in class don't you?
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No you do not. Bob33 explained it earlier in this thread.
Sorry missed that one thats what I get when I go on Hunt wa at 3 in the morning. I was wondering because back when I took the test 16 years ago they required you to shoot guns or you couldnt pass. They failed one little girl who got 100 on the written because she wasn't strong enough to shoot a 20 ga pump.
Post by: uplandhunter870 on March 27, 2013, 08:51:18 AM