Post by: Becky on March 28, 2013, 04:47:20 PM
That's got to be the funniest/crappiest thing that's happened to me in a while. I'm sorta speechless at the moment... I want to know if anyone has had this happen, and if so, did you go through the appeals process? How?
I'm seriously really confused right now as to WHY. I hold a secret security clearance for my job for crying out loud, that's a way more in depth background check than the measly firearm purchase questionnaire -pouts- .. For the life of me I absolutely cannot think of anything that would cause a denial.
:bash: frustrated with Pierce County right now.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 28, 2013, 04:52:11 PM
Post by: Becky on March 28, 2013, 04:52:58 PM
Some times if your name is very common it messes up.
It's original, very original :(
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 28, 2013, 04:54:05 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 28, 2013, 04:55:25 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 28, 2013, 04:55:40 PM
Post by: smdave on March 28, 2013, 04:56:59 PM
The store only gets a denial and no information why.
Post by: smdave on March 28, 2013, 04:58:54 PM
You should apply for your concealed weapons permit, then you wont have to wait to purchase handguns (unless the laws have changed).
Until you get the issue fixed through NICs you probably will get denied for a CPL also.
Post by: Woodchuck on March 28, 2013, 05:00:31 PM
Disclaimer: not trying to :stirthepot: I have seen that happen to someone else I know. He was told that when called and asked why.
Post by: Becky on March 28, 2013, 05:01:41 PM
What do you mean they released it? They denied you but gave you the ok to get it?
Bad wording, released the gun back for sale on their shelves. I was trying to purchase a specific gun that was hard to find.
Go get yourself a gun permit and try again. If you are issued the permit then there should be no justified reason to be denied the gun.
I applied for that two days after the gun.. now I'm worried that's going to be denied as well :-/
They will give you the information you need to contact NICs to find out what the issue is.
The store only gets a denial and no information why.
Yeah that's what he told me, he JUST called me back and said it was Pierce County who denied it but they aren't privy to any other information.
Post by: jackelope on March 28, 2013, 05:02:26 PM
Post by: Becky on March 28, 2013, 05:04:24 PM
Does Smossy have the same legal address?
No we don't "live" together. Nothing on record connects us.
Post by: Buckmark on March 28, 2013, 05:05:21 PM
To find out why your firearms transfer was denied, you will have to send a written request to:
Federal Bureau of Investigation
NICS Section
Appeal Services Team, Module A-1
Post Office Box 4278
Clarksburg WV 26302-9922
You must include your complete mailing address and your NICS Transaction Number (NTN), which your firearms dealer will give you when he informs you of your denial.
The appeal services team will respond within five business days after receiving your written request, letting you know the reason that your firearms purchase was denied.
Include Your Fingerprints
When you request the reason for your denial, you may want to go ahead a include a professionally-rolled set of your fingerprints with your initial correspondence with the NICS. If it turns out that the reason for your denial is a case of mistaken identity, the agency will already have your fingerprints on hand.
Although the NICS has a customer service telephone number (1-877-444-6427), any inquiry concerning your appeal should be made in writing. Due to the Privacy Act of 1974, specific information about your appeal cannot be given to you over the telephone.
Post by: Becky on March 28, 2013, 05:09:29 PM
Request the Reason for Your Denial
To find out why your firearms transfer was denied, you will have to send a written request to:
Federal Bureau of Investigation
NICS Section
Appeal Services Team, Module A-1
Post Office Box 4278
Clarksburg WV 26302-9922
You must include your complete mailing address and your NICS Transaction Number (NTN), which your firearms dealer will give you when he informs you of your denial.
The appeal services team will respond within five business days after receiving your written request, letting you know the reason that your firearms purchase was denied.
Include Your Fingerprints
When you request the reason for your denial, you may want to go ahead a include a professionally-rolled set of your fingerprints with your initial correspondence with the NICS. If it turns out that the reason for your denial is a case of mistaken identity, the agency will already have your fingerprints on hand.
Although the NICS has a customer service telephone number (1-877-444-6427), any inquiry concerning your appeal should be made in writing. Due to the Privacy Act of 1974, specific information about your appeal cannot be given to you over the telephone.
Good info, thank you. He did say it was Pierce County and NOT a federal denial and he almost sounded puzzled about it. Would this still be the appropriate way to go? One more question for ya, two days after I did the paperwork for the firearm I went to Pierce County and applied for my CPL with finger prints etc. Should I wait to see the results of that, and then proceed to write in?
He said it actually COULD BE because I hold a security clearance but he wouldn't tell me anymore, that confused me, does anyone know the reasoning of that?
Post by: huntnphool on March 28, 2013, 05:24:53 PM
You may check out Federal Way Discount too, they will be cheaper for the same gun. :twocents:
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 28, 2013, 05:28:10 PM
Does Smossy have the same legal address?
No we don't "live" together. Nothing on record connects us.
That was my thought. The quotations make it even more suspicious.
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on March 28, 2013, 05:30:57 PM
Post by: Becky on March 28, 2013, 05:45:20 PM
Does Smossy have the same legal address?
No we don't "live" together. Nothing on record connects us.
That was my thought. The quotations make it even more suspicious.
I figured it was implied that as my long-term boyfriend I'd spend a majority of my time with him or at his house, hence the quotes. I STAY with him often, I guess that would me more appropriate wording? My residence/majority of my things/my license/mail/everything - Roy, him Spanaway. I didn't intend for it to be suspicious.
Mine got messed up awhile back. It was nothing Cabelas did. The issue was with whoever was processing the the NICS check. They had superimposed two numbers so it was messed up. We made some phone calls to them and it was straitened out. I know you do the electronic version of the 4473 and that should be easy to transfer, but where ever they do the NCIS checks at, they have to enter the SSN by hand, and where a human interacts, there is going to be errors.
Oh for sure I didn't mean to say Cabela's was wrong, I'm frustrated in general that it happened. I am going to try to call tomorrow the number the gentleman gave me, and then wait on the CPL results like huntnphool said, and maybe in the meantime take it as a good thing and find it cheaper possible.
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 28, 2013, 05:47:48 PM
Does Smossy have the same legal address?
No we don't "live" together. Nothing on record connects us.
That was my thought. The quotations make it even more suspicious.
I figured it was implied that as my long-term boyfriend I'd spend a majority of my time with him or at his house, hence the quotes. I STAY with him often, I guess that would me more appropriate wording? My residence/majority of my things/my license/mail/everything - Roy, him Spanaway. I didn't intend for it to be suspicious.Mine got messed up awhile back. It was nothing Cabelas did. The issue was with whoever was processing the the NICS check. They had superimposed two numbers so it was messed up. We made some phone calls to them and it was straitened out. I know you do the electronic version of the 4473 and that should be easy to transfer, but where ever they do the NCIS checks at, they have to enter the SSN by hand, and where a human interacts, there is going to be errors.
Oh for sure I didn't mean to say Cabela's was wrong, I'm frustrated in general that it happened. I am going to try to call tomorrow the number the gentleman gave me, and then wait on the CPL results like huntnphool said, and maybe in the meantime take it as a good thing and find it cheaper possible.
If the two of you arent linked on paper then I dont know what it could be. If you havent already, I would start the process of getting your CPL. Other than the obvoius of being allowed to conceal carry it will alleviate the chance this will happen again.
Post by: Becky on March 28, 2013, 05:53:35 PM
Does Smossy have the same legal address?
No we don't "live" together. Nothing on record connects us.
That was my thought. The quotations make it even more suspicious.
I figured it was implied that as my long-term boyfriend I'd spend a majority of my time with him or at his house, hence the quotes. I STAY with him often, I guess that would me more appropriate wording? My residence/majority of my things/my license/mail/everything - Roy, him Spanaway. I didn't intend for it to be suspicious.Mine got messed up awhile back. It was nothing Cabelas did. The issue was with whoever was processing the the NICS check. They had superimposed two numbers so it was messed up. We made some phone calls to them and it was straitened out. I know you do the electronic version of the 4473 and that should be easy to transfer, but where ever they do the NCIS checks at, they have to enter the SSN by hand, and where a human interacts, there is going to be errors.
Oh for sure I didn't mean to say Cabela's was wrong, I'm frustrated in general that it happened. I am going to try to call tomorrow the number the gentleman gave me, and then wait on the CPL results like huntnphool said, and maybe in the meantime take it as a good thing and find it cheaper possible.
If the two of you arent linked on paper then I dont know what it could be. If you havent already, I would start the process of getting your CPL. Other than the obvoius of being allowed to conceal carry it will alleviate the chance this will happen again.
I did already, it was just after the gun. The man said it could be my security clearance that's causing it and that seems weird to me but good ole' google says it happens and no one has an answer though. :dunno: I was just instantly disheartened.
Post by: mkcj on March 28, 2013, 06:03:56 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on March 28, 2013, 06:04:33 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on March 28, 2013, 06:05:28 PM
Having a security clearance would not do anything to help or hurt purchasing a gun. It can be many things, spelled your name wrong, Moved lately and not updated. But I do thank you as reading this made me remember my CCP expires on April 12thNot true cause it has caused me problems.
Post by: smdave on March 28, 2013, 06:07:54 PM
I'd wait until you get the permit results. If you don't get it then there is a bigger issue. If you do get it then I would go down and buy it over the counter.
You may check out Federal Way Discount too, they will be cheaper for the same gun. :twocents:
The CPL only allows you to walk out with the gun same day if the NICs check gets an approve.
You need to contact the local office Pierce County they are the ones that denied it.
Post by: mkcj on March 28, 2013, 06:20:30 PM
Post by: cwuwildcat on March 28, 2013, 06:27:49 PM
Post by: christopheri on March 28, 2013, 06:29:35 PM
Post by: actionshooter on March 28, 2013, 06:37:05 PM
Post by: Mauser on March 28, 2013, 06:38:26 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on March 28, 2013, 06:41:12 PM
Odd because I have held 1 all the way back to working on the B-2 stealth when it was a "black" program. I have never been denied or put on hold I wonder what the difference is?I don't know why, but I was denied everytime I put my ssn on the paperwork cause it linked my background check. I finally figured out that if I didn't put the ssn I was almost always a proceed. But I got the VAF just in case.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 28, 2013, 06:44:32 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on March 28, 2013, 07:25:13 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on March 28, 2013, 07:44:51 PM
That would be because of youre butt head felon --boy-- friend person. In other words, You are being checked out and the --company -- you keep as well,,,As it should be ! .Seems to me that the system is actually working finally.
If you are up there as you say that you are,do you have a blue passport or a red one? Just curious?
Am thinking that you both aint worth a pinch of pooh my own self,but thats just me.
Has to be RED flags somewheres huh? :dunno:
Why don't you apologize to the two of them before you get a temp ban? I will give you a few minutes to edit your post.
Post by: Cap.Silver on March 28, 2013, 07:48:48 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on March 28, 2013, 07:49:57 PM
LowRange - why such hostile words ?????? Did you smoke too much ? WTH ? I don't like your attitude -
:yeah: :bash:
Post by: Austrian Hunter on March 28, 2013, 07:51:17 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 28, 2013, 07:51:50 PM
That would be because of youre butt head felon --boy-- friend person. In other words, You are being checked out and the --company -- you keep as well,,,As it should be ! .Seems to me that the system is actually working finally.
If you are up there as you say that you are,do you have a blue passport or a red one? Just curious?
Am thinking that you both aint worth a pinch of pooh my own self,but thats just me.
Has to be RED flags somewheres huh? :dunno:
Why don't you apologize to the two of them before you get a temp ban? I will give you a few minutes to edit your post.
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Post by: ICEMAN on March 28, 2013, 07:53:44 PM
Carry on with the discussion.... :chuckle:
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 28, 2013, 07:54:18 PM
A simple mistake on the application could be the problem. My wife, an officer of the law, lol, was denied in jan. I laughed so hard but it was a app mistake....... Check into that!!
One of my coworkers had a 30 day hold put on him. Its funny when it happens to people in that vocation, but Im sure his has to do with his overly common last name.
Post by: Becky on March 28, 2013, 07:57:20 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 28, 2013, 08:06:11 PM
I still think it is Smossy's fault. :sry: :IBCOOL: :dunno:How does that even make sense? lol If we were married I could see there being a potential problem, sure. If if that was the case, There are still LEGAL ways that she can go about and have a secured firearm, as long as I had no access, I.e. fingerprint safes and or It wasn't in MY household..
Why in my right mind, would I want to go back to prison for even touching a firearm? I refuse to even hold them in store's when gentlemen over the counter try to hand them to me because they think I'm the decision maker for my woman. Shes a big girl. She can do and make her own decisions. I have nothing to do with it. Like many people have stated. It could be just a simple mistake.
Im out to better myself, Not make a fool of myself like 75% of other people with a background like mine, Thanks for trying to kick a guy while hes down though.
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on March 28, 2013, 08:10:21 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on March 28, 2013, 08:11:30 PM
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 28, 2013, 08:15:28 PM
How many questions did you answer "Yes" to? :chuckle:
Only one hopefully!
Post by: Dan-o on March 28, 2013, 08:22:15 PM
I still think it is Smossy's fault. :sry: :IBCOOL: :dunno:How does that even make sense? lol If we were married I could see there being a potential problem, sure. If if that was the case, There are still LEGAL ways that she can go about and have a secured firearm, as long as I had no access, I.e. fingerprint safes and or It wasn't in MY household..
Why in my right mind, would I want to go back to prison for even touching a firearm? I refuse to even hold them in store's when gentlemen over the counter try to hand them to me because they think I'm the decision maker for my woman. Shes a big girl. She can do and make her own decisions. I have nothing to do with it. Like many people have stated. It could be just a simple mistake.
Im out to better myself, Not make a fool of myself like 75% of other people with a background like mine, Thanks for trying to kick a guy while hes down though.
Don't let one guy get to you.
NOBODY is perfect, but some folks get judgmental.
Just remember the good folks you've met, and as you've said several times you've turned it around.
Congrats to you! :tup:
Remember that for every one of "those" posts, there are people like RadSav that you were good enough to thank publicly. :tup: :tup: :tup:
P.S. I just heard one commentator (who doesn't want drug users incarcerated) say that out last three presidents were just lucky they never got caught..... Kind of struck me.
Now, on with Smossy's Girl's issue: It had to be........................
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on March 28, 2013, 08:25:09 PM
Generally if not always, a high security clearance will cause a delay, I have even sold several guns to police and state patrol empoyees who get delayed........ boy do they get pissed sometimes.
:yeah: I've seen people that have a high Security Clearance get delayed, but I think she said the Federal check went through, but the County denied her. In that case her problem is with the county....
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 28, 2013, 08:26:27 PM
I still think it is Smossy's fault. :sry: :IBCOOL: :dunno:How does that even make sense? lol If we were married I could see there being a potential problem, sure. If if that was the case, There are still LEGAL ways that she can go about and have a secured firearm, as long as I had no access, I.e. fingerprint safes and or It wasn't in MY household..
Why in my right mind, would I want to go back to prison for even touching a firearm? I refuse to even hold them in store's when gentlemen over the counter try to hand them to me because they think I'm the decision maker for my woman. Shes a big girl. She can do and make her own decisions. I have nothing to do with it. Like many people have stated. It could be just a simple mistake.
Im out to better myself, Not make a fool of myself like 75% of other people with a background like mine, Thanks for trying to kick a guy while hes down though.
Don't let one guy get to you.
NOBODY is perfect, but some folks get judgmental.
Just remember the good folks you've met, and as you've said several times you've turned it around.
Congrats to you! :tup:
Remember that for every one of "those" posts, there are people like RadSav that you were good enough to thank publicly. :tup: :tup: :tup:
P.S. I just heard one commentator (who doesn't want drug users incarcerated) say that out last three presidents were just lucky they never got caught..... Kind of struck me.
Now, on with Smossy's Girl's issue: It had to be........................
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Post by: Becky on March 28, 2013, 08:26:36 PM
How many questions did you answer "Yes" to? :chuckle:
Only one hopefully!
:yeah: lol I think just the one where it asks you if everything is truthful.. It was my very first time doing any of it, I'm going to call tomorrow and see where that takes me. I think it's either the security clearance - which was about 5 years ago - or I'm thinking it could even be my last name if they're really that critical. I have a unique last name that sometimes is split into two words/sometimes one.
Post by: Smossy on March 28, 2013, 08:30:30 PM
I still think it is Smossy's fault. :sry: :IBCOOL: :dunno:How does that even make sense? lol If we were married I could see there being a potential problem, sure. If if that was the case, There are still LEGAL ways that she can go about and have a secured firearm, as long as I had no access, I.e. fingerprint safes and or It wasn't in MY household..
Why in my right mind, would I want to go back to prison for even touching a firearm? I refuse to even hold them in store's when gentlemen over the counter try to hand them to me because they think I'm the decision maker for my woman. Shes a big girl. She can do and make her own decisions. I have nothing to do with it. Like many people have stated. It could be just a simple mistake.
Im out to better myself, Not make a fool of myself like 75% of other people with a background like mine, Thanks for trying to kick a guy while hes down though.
Don't let one guy get to you.
NOBODY is perfect, but some folks get judgmental.
Just remember the good folks you've met, and as you've said several times you've turned it around.
Congrats to you! :tup:
Remember that for every one of "those" posts, there are people like RadSav that you were good enough to thank publicly. :tup: :tup: :tup:
P.S. I just heard one commentator (who doesn't want drug users incarcerated) say that out last three presidents were just lucky they never got caught..... Kind of struck me.
Now, on with Smossy's Girl's issue: It had to be........................
:tup: :bow:
Post by: Becky on March 28, 2013, 08:33:59 PM
Generally if not always, a high security clearance will cause a delay, I have even sold several guns to police and state patrol empoyees who get delayed........ boy do they get pissed sometimes.
:yeah: I've seen people that have a high Security Clearance get delayed, but I think she said the Federal check went through, but the County denied her. In that case her problem is with the county....
Cabela's guy said it was denied by Pierce County, I don't understand the federal level/county level.
Post by: Dan-o on March 28, 2013, 08:35:22 PM
I still think it is Smossy's fault. :sry: :IBCOOL: :dunno:How does that even make sense? lol If we were married I could see there being a potential problem, sure. If if that was the case, There are still LEGAL ways that she can go about and have a secured firearm, as long as I had no access, I.e. fingerprint safes and or It wasn't in MY household..
Why in my right mind, would I want to go back to prison for even touching a firearm? I refuse to even hold them in store's when gentlemen over the counter try to hand them to me because they think I'm the decision maker for my woman. Shes a big girl. She can do and make her own decisions. I have nothing to do with it. Like many people have stated. It could be just a simple mistake.
Im out to better myself, Not make a fool of myself like 75% of other people with a background like mine, Thanks for trying to kick a guy while hes down though.
Don't let one guy get to you.
NOBODY is perfect, but some folks get judgmental.
Just remember the good folks you've met, and as you've said several times you've turned it around.
Congrats to you! :tup:
Remember that for every one of "those" posts, there are people like RadSav that you were good enough to thank publicly. :tup: :tup: :tup:
P.S. I just heard one commentator (who doesn't want drug users incarcerated) say that out last three presidents were just lucky they never got caught..... Kind of struck me.
Now, on with Smossy's Girl's issue: It had to be........................
:tup: :bow:
P.S. I "quoted" the wrong one.
It looked like Ghosthunter was just trying to be funny...... At least it looks like something I'd try to do to be funny. Sorry about that, GH. :sry:
Post by: elk247 on March 28, 2013, 08:36:14 PM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 28, 2013, 08:39:50 PM
Coarse it never happened so we went to court and she admitted lying. Problem was kitsap never changed my file to dismissed completely. They fixed it and I had my gun.
Ever had a dismissed DV, assault, DUI ect?
Post by: Smossy on March 28, 2013, 08:41:49 PM
Im not sure myself. So my reply was genuine. I don't see why my background would have anything to do with it. I seen the other persons "lowrange" or whatever's post only because it was quoted by someone else. Which that was very inappropriate.I still think it is Smossy's fault. :sry: :IBCOOL: :dunno:How does that even make sense? lol If we were married I could see there being a potential problem, sure. If if that was the case, There are still LEGAL ways that she can go about and have a secured firearm, as long as I had no access, I.e. fingerprint safes and or It wasn't in MY household..
Why in my right mind, would I want to go back to prison for even touching a firearm? I refuse to even hold them in store's when gentlemen over the counter try to hand them to me because they think I'm the decision maker for my woman. Shes a big girl. She can do and make her own decisions. I have nothing to do with it. Like many people have stated. It could be just a simple mistake.
Im out to better myself, Not make a fool of myself like 75% of other people with a background like mine, Thanks for trying to kick a guy while hes down though.
Don't let one guy get to you.
NOBODY is perfect, but some folks get judgmental.
Just remember the good folks you've met, and as you've said several times you've turned it around.
Congrats to you! :tup:
Remember that for every one of "those" posts, there are people like RadSav that you were good enough to thank publicly. :tup: :tup: :tup:
P.S. I just heard one commentator (who doesn't want drug users incarcerated) say that out last three presidents were just lucky they never got caught..... Kind of struck me.
Now, on with Smossy's Girl's issue: It had to be........................
:tup: :bow:
P.S. I "quoted" the wrong one.
It looked like Ghosthunter was just trying to be funny...... At least it looks like something I'd try to do to be funny. Sorry about that, GH. :sry:
Sounds like some people expect others that have done wrong in they're life to continue down that path like its some written rule..I should just go out robbing stores and committing murders, and doing lots of drugs or something? wth. Nope, sorry Im not your minority. But that makes me a "piece of poo? lol I actually learned from my time and plan on changing my life for the better. :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
Post by: Becky on March 28, 2013, 08:45:12 PM
Nobody touched on this yet. When I first got my first handgun I was denied. At kitsap county level. Turned out when I left one night and the crazy ex got pissed she called 911 and said I hit her. The cops were there when I returned and took me in on DV.
Coarse it never happened so we went to court and she admitted lying. Problem was kitsap never changed my file to dismissed completely. They fixed it and I had my gun.
Ever had a dismissed DV, assault, DUI ect?
That's good to know in general, but no, not even as much as a speeding ticket lol.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 28, 2013, 08:47:48 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 28, 2013, 08:48:54 PM
Wow, Smossy is one lucky dood! Good girl!!!! ;)Yeah yeah I know it, Aint scared to show it! *Does alittle dance* :IBCOOL:
Why would I want to continue to ruin my life with such a score? ;)
Post by: Smossy on March 28, 2013, 08:50:15 PM
She lies, Shes had a speeding ticket. I was there. :chuckle: It was dropped in federal court though before we even showed up. hahaNobody touched on this yet. When I first got my first handgun I was denied. At kitsap county level. Turned out when I left one night and the crazy ex got pissed she called 911 and said I hit her. The cops were there when I returned and took me in on DV.
Coarse it never happened so we went to court and she admitted lying. Problem was kitsap never changed my file to dismissed completely. They fixed it and I had my gun.
Ever had a dismissed DV, assault, DUI ect?
That's good to know in general, but no, not even as much as a speeding ticket lol.
Post by: Becky on March 28, 2013, 08:53:59 PM
She lies, Shes had a speeding ticket. I was there. :chuckle: It was dropped in federal court though before we evend up. hahaNobody touched on this yet. When I first got my first handgun I was denied. At kitsap county level. Turned out when I left one night and the crazy ex got pissed she called 911 and said I hit her. The cops were there when I returned and took me in on DV.
Coarse it never happened so we went to court and she admitted lying. Problem was kitsap never changed my file to dismissed completely. They fixed it and I had my gun.
Ever had a dismissed DV, assault, DUI ect?
That's good to know in general, but no, not even as much as a speeding ticket lol.
Haha which means I don't have one :dunno:
Post by: Smossy on March 28, 2013, 08:55:23 PM
Arent you supposed to be drinking wine? Not hanging out on HW! :yike:She lies, Shes had a speeding ticket. I was there. :chuckle: It was dropped in federal court though before we evend up. hahaNobody touched on this yet. When I first got my first handgun I was denied. At kitsap county level. Turned out when I left one night and the crazy ex got pissed she called 911 and said I hit her. The cops were there when I returned and took me in on DV.
Coarse it never happened so we went to court and she admitted lying. Problem was kitsap never changed my file to dismissed completely. They fixed it and I had my gun.
Ever had a dismissed DV, assault, DUI ect?
That's good to know in general, but no, not even as much as a speeding ticket lol.
Haha which means I don't have one :dunno:
Post by: Becky on March 28, 2013, 08:57:31 PM
Arent you supposed to be drinking wine? Not hanging out on HW! :yike:She lies, Shes had a speeding ticket. I was there. :chuckle: It was dropped in federal court though before we evend up. hahaNobody touched on this yet. When I first got my first handgun I was denied. At kitsap county level. Turned out when I left one night and the crazy ex got pissed she called 911 and said I hit her. The cops were there when I returned and took me in on DV.
Coarse it never happened so we went to court and she admitted lying. Problem was kitsap never changed my file to dismissed completely. They fixed it and I had my gun.
Ever had a dismissed DV, assault, DUI ect?
That's good to know in general, but no, not even as much as a speeding ticket lol.
Haha which means I don't have one :dunno:
Lol I'm the DD, my cucumber water is boring and this is informative ;) but yes yes swaying off topic!
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on March 28, 2013, 08:59:47 PM
Im not sure myself. So my reply was genuine. I don't see why my background would have anything to do with it. I seen the other persons "lowrange" or whatever's post only because it was quoted by someone else. Which that was very inappropriate.I still think it is Smossy's fault. :sry: :IBCOOL: :dunno:How does that even make sense? lol If we were married I could see there being a potential problem, sure. If if that was the case, There are still LEGAL ways that she can go about and have a secured firearm, as long as I had no access, I.e. fingerprint safes and or It wasn't in MY household..
Why in my right mind, would I want to go back to prison for even touching a firearm? I refuse to even hold them in store's when gentlemen over the counter try to hand them to me because they think I'm the decision maker for my woman. Shes a big girl. She can do and make her own decisions. I have nothing to do with it. Like many people have stated. It could be just a simple mistake.
Im out to better myself, Not make a fool of myself like 75% of other people with a background like mine, Thanks for trying to kick a guy while hes down though.
Don't let one guy get to you.
NOBODY is perfect, but some folks get judgmental.
Just remember the good folks you've met, and as you've said several times you've turned it around.
Congrats to you! :tup:
Remember that for every one of "those" posts, there are people like RadSav that you were good enough to thank publicly. :tup: :tup: :tup:
P.S. I just heard one commentator (who doesn't want drug users incarcerated) say that out last three presidents were just lucky they never got caught..... Kind of struck me.
Now, on with Smossy's Girl's issue: It had to be........................
:tup: :bow:
P.S. I "quoted" the wrong one.
It looked like Ghosthunter was just trying to be funny...... At least it looks like something I'd try to do to be funny. Sorry about that, GH. :sry:
Sounds like some people expect others that have done wrong in they're life to continue down that path like its some written rule..I should just go out robbing stores and committing murders, and doing lots of drugs or something? wth. Nope, sorry Im not your minority. But that makes me a "piece of poo? lol I actually learned from my time and plan on changing my life for the better. :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
Well I can tell you why your background would have something to do with it. If the county somehow knows you two are acquaintances they could see it as a potential avenue for a felon to get their hands on a firearm and it is their job to prevent that. And honestly it doesn't seem far fetched to think that you could get your hands on your girlfriends gun. However it seems unlikely that the county would know if you don't share the same address or last name, so it's a mystery why they would stop the transfer, unless its just random, which happens a lot. I traded a rifle in my name for another one at a gunshop and had to wait a week to get the new one.
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on March 28, 2013, 09:00:54 PM
Arent you supposed to be drinking wine? Not hanging out on HW! :yike:She lies, Shes had a speeding ticket. I was there. :chuckle: It was dropped in federal court though before we evend up. hahaNobody touched on this yet. When I first got my first handgun I was denied. At kitsap county level. Turned out when I left one night and the crazy ex got pissed she called 911 and said I hit her. The cops were there when I returned and took me in on DV.
Coarse it never happened so we went to court and she admitted lying. Problem was kitsap never changed my file to dismissed completely. They fixed it and I had my gun.
Ever had a dismissed DV, assault, DUI ect?
That's good to know in general, but no, not even as much as a speeding ticket lol.
Haha which means I don't have one :dunno:
Lol I'm the DD, my cucumber water is boring and this is informative ;) but yes yes swaying off topic!
Cucumber water is anything but boring, it's all I drink now that I discovered it!
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on March 28, 2013, 09:01:45 PM
Coarse it never happened so we went to court and she admitted lying. Problem was kitsap never changed my file to dismissed completely. They fixed it and I had my gun.
This happens more often than you would think--Sometimes the word never gets passed along from one agency to another. It doesn't sound like this is the case, however. I would be going to the county, finding out who denied the app for no reason, and take the matter to a superior there. If the denial was groundless, I think I would be threatening to take legal action against the county if the problem isn't rectified. Why should the FBI say you can have a gun, and someone working in a County office say you can't? And how many others have had this crap pulled on them, too?
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 28, 2013, 09:02:14 PM
Post by: rtspring on March 28, 2013, 09:04:06 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on March 28, 2013, 09:06:33 PM
I still think it is Smossy's fault. :sry: :IBCOOL: :dunno:How does that even make sense? lol If we were married I could see there being a potential problem, sure. If if that was the case, There are still LEGAL ways that she can go about and have a secured firearm, as long as I had no access, I.e. fingerprint safes and or It wasn't in MY household..
Why in my right mind, would I want to go back to prison for even touching a firearm? I refuse to even hold them in store's when gentlemen over the counter try to hand them to me because they think I'm the decision maker for my woman. Shes a big girl. She can do and make her own decisions. I have nothing to do with it. Like many people have stated. It could be just a simple mistake.
Im out to better myself, Not make a fool of myself like 75% of other people with a background like mine, Thanks for trying to kick a guy while hes down though.
Lighten up I was kidding.
Post by: ghosthunter on March 28, 2013, 09:11:49 PM
I still think it is Smossy's fault. :sry: :IBCOOL: :dunno:How does that even make sense? lol If we were married I could see there being a potential problem, sure. If if that was the case, There are still LEGAL ways that she can go about and have a secured firearm, as long as I had no access, I.e. fingerprint safes and or It wasn't in MY household..
Why in my right mind, would I want to go back to prison for even touching a firearm? I refuse to even hold them in store's when gentlemen over the counter try to hand them to me because they think I'm the decision maker for my woman. Shes a big girl. She can do and make her own decisions. I have nothing to do with it. Like many people have stated. It could be just a simple mistake.
Im out to better myself, Not make a fool of myself like 75% of other people with a background like mine, Thanks for trying to kick a guy while hes down though.
Don't let one guy get to you.
NOBODY is perfect, but some folks get judgmental.
Just remember the good folks you've met, and as you've said several times you've turned it around.
Congrats to you! :tup:
Remember that for every one of "those" posts, there are people like RadSav that you were good enough to thank publicly. :tup: :tup: :tup:
P.S. I just heard one commentator (who doesn't want drug users incarcerated) say that out last three presidents were just lucky they never got caught..... Kind of struck me.
Now, on with Smossy's Girl's issue: It had to be........................
:tup: :bow:
P.S. I "quoted" the wrong one.
It looked like Ghosthunter was just trying to be funny...... At least it looks like something I'd try to do to be funny. Sorry about that, GH. :sry:
Thanks for catching that I have no ill for anyone here wise cracking.
:sry:
Post by: Smossy on March 28, 2013, 09:16:22 PM
I wasnt sure, My apologies man.I still think it is Smossy's fault. :sry: :IBCOOL: :dunno:How does that even make sense? lol If we were married I could see there being a potential problem, sure. If if that was the case, There are still LEGAL ways that she can go about and have a secured firearm, as long as I had no access, I.e. fingerprint safes and or It wasn't in MY household..
Why in my right mind, would I want to go back to prison for even touching a firearm? I refuse to even hold them in store's when gentlemen over the counter try to hand them to me because they think I'm the decision maker for my woman. Shes a big girl. She can do and make her own decisions. I have nothing to do with it. Like many people have stated. It could be just a simple mistake.
Im out to better myself, Not make a fool of myself like 75% of other people with a background like mine, Thanks for trying to kick a guy while hes down though.
Lighten up I was kidding.
Post by: Smossy on March 28, 2013, 09:18:08 PM
Even so. I have no care for firearms any longer. Not that it makes a difference. I cant hate on anyone for doing they're job but there is no legal/documented connection between the two of us. I consider bear mace far more effective anyhow.Im not sure myself. So my reply was genuine. I don't see why my background would have anything to do with it. I seen the other persons "lowrange" or whatever's post only because it was quoted by someone else. Which that was very inappropriate.I still think it is Smossy's fault. :sry: :IBCOOL: :dunno:How does that even make sense? lol If we were married I could see there being a potential problem, sure. If if that was the case, There are still LEGAL ways that she can go about and have a secured firearm, as long as I had no access, I.e. fingerprint safes and or It wasn't in MY household..
Why in my right mind, would I want to go back to prison for even touching a firearm? I refuse to even hold them in store's when gentlemen over the counter try to hand them to me because they think I'm the decision maker for my woman. Shes a big girl. She can do and make her own decisions. I have nothing to do with it. Like many people have stated. It could be just a simple mistake.
Im out to better myself, Not make a fool of myself like 75% of other people with a background like mine, Thanks for trying to kick a guy while hes down though.
Don't let one guy get to you.
NOBODY is perfect, but some folks get judgmental.
Just remember the good folks you've met, and as you've said several times you've turned it around.
Congrats to you! :tup:
Remember that for every one of "those" posts, there are people like RadSav that you were good enough to thank publicly. :tup: :tup: :tup:
P.S. I just heard one commentator (who doesn't want drug users incarcerated) say that out last three presidents were just lucky they never got caught..... Kind of struck me.
Now, on with Smossy's Girl's issue: It had to be........................
:tup: :bow:
P.S. I "quoted" the wrong one.
It looked like Ghosthunter was just trying to be funny...... At least it looks like something I'd try to do to be funny. Sorry about that, GH. :sry:
Sounds like some people expect others that have done wrong in they're life to continue down that path like its some written rule..I should just go out robbing stores and committing murders, and doing lots of drugs or something? wth. Nope, sorry Im not your minority. But that makes me a "piece of poo? lol I actually learned from my time and plan on changing my life for the better. :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
Well I can tell you why your background would have something to do with it. If the county somehow knows you two are acquaintances they could see it as a potential avenue for a felon to get their hands on a firearm and it is their job to prevent that. And honestly it doesn't seem far fetched to think that you could get your hands on your girlfriends gun. However it seems unlikely that the county would know if you don't share the same address or last name, so it's a mystery why they would stop the transfer, unless its just random, which happens a lot. I traded a rifle in my name for another one at a gunshop and had to wait a week to get the new one.
Post by: ghosthunter on March 28, 2013, 09:18:42 PM
I wasnt sure, My apologies man.I still think it is Smossy's fault. :sry: :IBCOOL: :dunno:How does that even make sense? lol If we were married I could see there being a potential problem, sure. If if that was the case, There are still LEGAL ways that she can go about and have a secured firearm, as long as I had no access, I.e. fingerprint safes and or It wasn't in MY household..
Why in my right mind, would I want to go back to prison for even touching a firearm? I refuse to even hold them in store's when gentlemen over the counter try to hand them to me because they think I'm the decision maker for my woman. Shes a big girl. She can do and make her own decisions. I have nothing to do with it. Like many people have stated. It could be just a simple mistake.
Im out to better myself, Not make a fool of myself like 75% of other people with a background like mine, Thanks for trying to kick a guy while hes down though.
Lighten up I was kidding.
No problem , good luck to your gal.
Post by: Becky on March 28, 2013, 09:26:00 PM
You will get it worked out. Go put the gun on layaway. Cabelas has no issue with that. They won't run paperwork till the layaway is paid in full.
They wouldn't let me pay a dime on it until the paperwork came back, then when I talked to him a second time after they said I was denied, I asked him if he would hold it until I could figure it out and he said he would for three days but "other employees might not get the memo and might put it back on the shelf"... I guess I'm more sad that it took me forever to even find this gun lol... I'm in love with it.
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on March 28, 2013, 09:34:25 PM
sad that it tookYou will get it worked out. Go put the gun on layaway. Cabelas has no issue with that. They won't run paperwork till the layaway is paid in full.
They wouldn't let me pay a dime on it until the paperwork came back, then when I talked to him a second time after they said I was denied, I asked him if he would hold it until I could figure it out and he said he would for three days but "other employees might not get the memo and might put it back on the shelf"... I guess I'm more sad that it took me forever to even find this gun lol... I'm in love with it.
Don't waste time arguing with the minimum-wage morons. Call the main office of Cabelas ant explain the situation. I'll bet the word would come down to hold the gun. Can you guess that I don't tolerate "authority figures" very well? ;)
Post by: actionshooter on March 28, 2013, 09:39:33 PM
sad that it tookYou will get it worked out. Go put the gun on layaway. Cabelas has no issue with that. They won't run paperwork till the layaway is paid in full.
They wouldn't let me pay a dime on it until the paperwork came back, then when I talked to him a second time after they said I was denied, I asked him if he would hold it until I could figure it out and he said he would for three days but "other employees might not get the memo and might put it back on the shelf"... I guess I'm more sad that it took me forever to even find this gun lol... I'm in love with it.
Don't waste time arguing with the minimum-wage morons. Call the main office of Cabelas ant explain the situation. I'll bet the word would come down to hold the gun. Can you guess that I don't tolerate "authority figures" very well? ;)
It has nothing to do with Cabelas, they are only passing the information from the local authorities. Theyt aren't told why there was a denial, just the fact it was denied.
If the gun is a hard one to find, putting it on lay-away is a good plan...Paperwork doesn't get sent through until you pick it up. You have 60 days.
Post by: CementFinisher on March 28, 2013, 09:40:58 PM
Post by: actionshooter on March 28, 2013, 09:44:26 PM
Without sharing a physical address or marriage or medical things then smossy would have no legal connection. So he would not be a reason for dismissal. You security clearance would not hinder you. IF you have never been arrested or charged with assault or other serious crimes this would most likely be a clerical error
Even if they are living together or married, there is nothing legally from stopping her from buying a gun, she just couldn't bring it home or transport it with him. Also no authority can deny you "because they want too."
Post by: Smossy on March 28, 2013, 09:53:55 PM
Exactly. Which we have worked hard to find a legal means of doing it this way. I've basically came to the conclusion that if she is ever with me, She will need no protection via firearm. Someone will have to get through my cold dead body before I let anyone lay they're fingers on her. But If Im not around, Shes limited to defending herself, Which I dont feel to great about.Without sharing a physical address or marriage or medical things then smossy would have no legal connection. So he would not be a reason for dismissal. You security clearance would not hinder you. IF you have never been arrested or charged with assault or other serious crimes this would most likely be a clerical error
Even if they are living together or married, there is nothing legally from stopping her from buying a gun, she just couldn't bring it home or transport it with him. Also no authority can deny you "because they want too."
I just want her to be safe is all.
Post by: CementFinisher on March 28, 2013, 09:55:04 PM
:yeah:Without sharing a physical address or marriage or medical things then smossy would have no legal connection. So he would not be a reason for dismissal. You security clearance would not hinder you. IF you have never been arrested or charged with assault or other serious crimes this would most likely be a clerical error
Even if they are living together or married, there is nothing legally from stopping her from buying a gun, she just couldn't bring it home or transport it with him. Also no authority can deny you "because they want too."
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 28, 2013, 10:09:02 PM
My father has a guy that has the same name. Shuts him down everytime and he has to wait and wait and wait. It really sucks.
My buddies had something to do with the address on his drivers license being listed different then something. I can't remember what he said or how he worded it but it was something to so with his address.
Post by: actionshooter on March 28, 2013, 10:27:10 PM
My dad gets whacked everytime and my buddy has got whacked once as well.
My father has a guy that has the same name. Shuts him down everytime and he has to wait and wait and wait. It really sucks.
My buddies had something to do with the address on his drivers license being listed different then something. I can't remember what he said or how he worded it but it was something to so with his address.
I've seen it several times where people get delayed because of similar names. If it keeps happening apply for a UPIN number, its kinda like a good to go pass. The NICS operator will run that number and no more delays. The UPIN number goes on the 4473.
Post by: csaaphill on March 29, 2013, 12:29:57 AM
But ya I'd be writing the FBI and County and city Gov. This ones interesting so will like to keep up on it as well. Going to see a lot more of this kind of thing though.
Post by: Lunchbox1981 on March 29, 2013, 01:00:16 AM
Having a security clearance would not do anything to help or hurt purchasing a gun. It can be many things, spelled your name wrong, Moved lately and not updated. But I do thank you as reading this made me remember my CCP expires on April 12thNot true cause it has caused me problems.
I am required to have a NICS check completed annually and my clearance has never caused a delay. And my investigations are very indepth. I think that every situation is just a little different. Best thing to do is just contact them and ask why. Let us know how it goes.
Post by: Lunchbox1981 on March 29, 2013, 01:53:38 AM
Having a security clearance would not do anything to help or hurt purchasing a gun. It can be many things, spelled your name wrong, Moved lately and not updated. But I do thank you as reading this made me remember my CCP expires on April 12thNot true cause it has caused me problems.
I am required to have a NICS check completed annually and my clearance has never caused a delay. And my investigations are very indepth. I think that every situation is just a little different. Best thing to do is just contact them and ask why. Let us know how it goes.
I will state after reading the rest of the post that mine is done thru the Federal system only. Therefore I have no experience at the County level. Either way I hope it all wqorks out for you.
Post by: firefighter4607 on March 29, 2013, 03:19:37 AM
Post by: Igottanewknee on March 29, 2013, 07:14:24 AM
Post by: Arnbo on March 29, 2013, 07:19:55 AM
:yeah: my name was on the FBIs Anti- Terrorist group or whatever it is calledYou should apply for your concealed weapons permit, then you wont have to wait to purchase handguns (unless the laws have changed).
Until you get the issue fixed through NICs you probably will get denied for a CPL also.
Andthey wanted to know about the 182 Cessna I owned. I informed him that I owned
No such airplane and I do not have a common name either.He asked a few more
Questions and never heard back from them. I am sure it just a simple technicality.
In paper work Smossys Girl and all will work out for you.
Post by: Mike450r on March 29, 2013, 08:02:23 AM
:yeah:You should apply for your concealed weapons permit, then you wont have to wait to purchase handguns (unless the laws have changed).
Until you get the issue fixed through NICs you probably will get denied for a CPL also.
She was told it was Pierce county holding it up which means it most likely has to do with it being a pistol purchase and nothing from NICs. I am willing to bet if she was to purchase a long gun the approval would fly right through. The local background check for a pistol purchase is more thorough.
A very large number of felonies unless prosecuted federally haven't been reported to NICs and there are tons of felons out there that hunt with and purchase rifles because they don't get flagged in the federal system. The idea that a CCP would help may be wrong also since Pierce county makes that decision as well.
I say call the county and find out what is causing the denial. I really doubt it has anything to do with the federal check.
Post by: turkeyfeather on March 29, 2013, 08:34:56 AM
I have contacted them. Actually had my attorney friend do it. He was informed that NICS showed a previous FBI investigation. So they hold it to find out why. When it comes back saying it was for military purposes then I get cleared. That's why I got a UPIN and no longer have an issue.Having a security clearance would not do anything to help or hurt purchasing a gun. It can be many things, spelled your name wrong, Moved lately and not updated. But I do thank you as reading this made me remember my CCP expires on April 12thNot true cause it has caused me problems.
I am required to have a NICS check completed annually and my clearance has never caused a delay. And my investigations are very indepth. I think that every situation is just a little different. Best thing to do is just contact them and ask why. Let us know how it goes.
Post by: Becky on March 29, 2013, 10:11:27 AM
I have never been denied but I did get delayed all the time. And when I dug into why I found out it was because of a security clearance. Apparently a FBI background check raise red flags cause it doesn't show why you were investigated. You should get paperwork to apply for the voluntary appeal file. Cause unfortunately getting a conceal permit will not necessarily make this problem go away. I still got delayed after getting my permit. Once I got a appeal file number no more problems.
I got told by the guy at Cabela's that his previous security clearance actually caused him more problems when he tried to get a firearm. Seems so weird to me, I'd think it'd be the opposite.
Odd because I have held 1 all the way back to working on the B-2 stealth when it was a "black" program. I have never been denied or put on hold I wonder what the difference is?
That's funny you say that, my step-dad was on the same program, same security clearance as you, just bought a 9mm handgun a couple weeks ago and a hunting rifle 2 months ago and had NO issues. His security clearance is inactive now though, but I still live at home with them and he had no problem with the same home address.
By chance do you happen to be in the military for that clearance, did you recently renew your clearance? if so this is strange, I have never been denied a gun purchase. :yike:
I work civilian military contracts, they are our customers but no I'm not in the military or anything. I honestly couldn't answer you if it's been renewed lately, but I don't believe so. I've been with the same company since I graduated college in 2007, that's when I got my clearance and online it says "An individual is normally subject to periodic reinvestigation at a minimum of every 5 years for a Top Secret level clearance and every 10 years for a Secret level clearance." It hasn't been 10 years yet.
A simple mistake on the application could be the problem. My wife, an officer of the law, lol, was denied in jan. I laughed so hard but it was a app mistake....... Check into that!!
How did you check into it? I tried calling all the numbers I could find... :(
Good luck smossys-girl. I hope the firearm wasnt too unique, and you can purchase one like it in a few days when this gets worked out with the county.
It took me 3 months to find it :( but then again, I don't really have ANY experience tracking down specific guns so I'm sure some of you experts could re-find it in a heartbeat haha.
I would wait until you hear about your CWP, if you get a letter saying that you were denied then go down to the sheriffs office and see why. Then you will know what you need to do to clear things up. One more question is do you live within the city limits or do you live in the county?
I think I might have to now, because at least they will send you paperwork saying why they denied it and how to appeal it. No I live outside of city limits, "unincorporated Pierce County".
Post by: Becky on March 29, 2013, 10:29:21 AM
"Please be advised the agency which processed your NICS transaction is required to have an appeal process. You may make application first to the denying agency, i.e., either the state or local law enforcement agency which processed your transaction. As an alternative to appealing directly through the denying agency, you may elect to submit your appeal request to the FBI NICS Section."
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/appeals/nics_appeals_brochure_eng (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/appeals/nics_appeals_brochure_eng)
I'd rather go at the state level since they were the denying agency, but I can't find any information.
Post by: LeeMajors on March 29, 2013, 10:40:49 AM
Post by: Becky on March 29, 2013, 10:42:35 AM
Did you call Pierce County LESA and ask them why?
There is no direct line to talk to anyone... it is just automated information and it's ALL about the CPL, I listened through it twice. They are also now called "South Sound 911".
Post by: firefighter4607 on March 29, 2013, 10:52:09 AM
Post by: xd2005 on March 29, 2013, 10:55:19 AM
Have you tried submitting the "contact us" form, requesting a call to discuss?
Post by: Becky on March 29, 2013, 10:59:25 AM
I would send an email to the Department of Licensing and ask them. Everything on their site states to go check with local law enforcement. Here is the link for the concealed pistol licence. http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/firearms/faconceal.html (http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/firearms/faconceal.html)
Any chance you can go to the sheriff's office physically?
Have you tried submitting the "contact us" form, requesting a call to discuss?
I e-mailed the LESA/South Sound 911 "contact us" form. I did ask how to proceed, how to get information, and if I could talk to anyone. Everything is set up for a denied CPL that it seems impossible to find information on just a denied purchase. Firefighter - I am sending an e-mail to that link as well, thank you. I only just got the call yesterday and it was after 4pm (LESA office closes then) so no I didn't go anywhere yet, I get off work today somewhat early so I might just head there :)
Post by: Mike450r on March 29, 2013, 11:12:10 AM
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on March 29, 2013, 11:28:57 AM
(253) 798-7530 :dunno:
Post by: HazMat on March 29, 2013, 12:10:55 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 29, 2013, 07:02:29 PM
Post by: Carl on March 29, 2013, 07:37:08 PM
Smossy-girl, why don't you post on here what firearm you're looking for? I bet you'll have one within a week! :chuckle:
Carl
Post by: smdave on March 29, 2013, 07:44:09 PM
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 29, 2013, 10:20:21 PM
Big difference in "Delayed" and "Denied" I hope she gets it worked out, but if it stays "Denied" and someone sells her a gun, that is a straw purchase.
This man speaks the truth.
Post by: Carl on March 29, 2013, 11:28:01 PM
Smossys-girl commented it took her 3 months to locate this special firearm. I was suggesting if she posted what she was looking for, there would be many people on this forum on the lookout for another one. I assumed the snafu would be cleared up by then and she would have another special firearm located. NOT someone buying it for her! :yike:
Post by: bobcat on March 30, 2013, 12:29:32 AM
Gun Broker is the first place I would check.
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 30, 2013, 01:05:52 AM
Well, evidently I didn't phrase that correctly.
Smossys-girl commented it took her 3 months to locate this special firearm. I was suggesting if she posted what she was looking for, there would be many people on this forum on the lookout for another one. I assumed the snafu would be cleared up by then and she would have another special firearm located. NOT someone buying it for her! :yike:
I just skimmed the thread again but did she say what the pistol was? I'm sure there are enough of us here that look at different gun boards that one can be located when the time comes.
Post by: winshooter88 on March 30, 2013, 02:05:34 AM
Post by: csaaphill on March 30, 2013, 10:33:35 AM
Post by: smdave on March 30, 2013, 10:57:25 AM
Many people get delayed even if you have a CPL you can get a delay, this just means you have to wait up to 30 days for the gun to get released.
Post by: bear hunter on March 30, 2013, 11:31:23 AM
Post by: Curly on March 30, 2013, 05:58:42 PM
Check out the classifieds:
Sig for sale in Spanaway (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,121932.0.html)
:dunno:
Post by: Becky on March 30, 2013, 06:28:56 PM
Post by: Becky on March 30, 2013, 06:29:46 PM
Post by: christopheri on March 30, 2013, 06:34:22 PM
Oh and yes it was a Sig P224 extreme.Sweet pistol :tup:
Post by: Revwrangler on March 30, 2013, 06:41:03 PM
Hey all, I have a really hard time trying to respond with my phone - it sucks on this site. I did find out some info finally, I got an email back on how to reach them on the phone. I'll have to fill in more details when I get a chance! :) and again thank you guys so much for helping a newbie out.
Keep us posted. I've been following the thread and I am extremely curious what the issue was.
Post by: walleye1 on March 30, 2013, 07:10:20 PM
Post by: csaaphill on March 31, 2013, 01:42:55 AM
My buddy had to turn it his pistol after a couple of day. He bought a new pistol and waited the 10 days. The feds never called back so they called him and said come and get it. We went out that day and shoot the crap out of it. A day or so later the store called and said to bring it back? He was denied? My buddy said do I have to. The store mananger said yes and he is a state Patral office to. So my buddy droped it off and got his money back. He called the sheriffs office and found out he had a warrant for his arrest? Say what? It was from 10 years ago in high school for fighting/not showing up for the count date. LOL He moved and never know. He went to the court house and payed the fines and now can buy again. :tup:No fromwhat i hear and have read he should not have, for if not denied after a certain time the sale goes through. Thats what ive read. but glad it worked out.
Post by: HazMat on March 31, 2013, 08:29:55 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on March 31, 2013, 08:55:29 AM
If you were DENIED you willnot be ably to purchase any firearms thru a ffl. You will only be able to buy from private party. You will have to clear up thru NICS the FBI. Cabelas should have given you a ntn #. Youcan email apeal. This happened to me just before Christmas and I'm still trying to clear up. They are 4 months behind so you will not be buying any time soon. NICS isn't take calls either. I was told it was because a domestic violence case that was dismissed in 1994 had to send fingerprints and court documents to prove my innocent. Still waiting and there voice mail says they are on appeals from November 2012. Good luck
If you are denied by NCIC check, doesn't that mean that you can't legally purchase a firearm at all/through any source until the issue is cleared up and you no longer show denied in the NCIC database??
Post by: Curly on March 31, 2013, 09:58:30 AM
If you are denied by NCIC check, doesn't that mean that you can't legally purchase a firearm at all/through any source until the issue is cleared up and you no longer show denied in the NCIC database??
That is a good question. I would assume that if there is no legitimate reason why one can't legally own a pistol, then that person should be able to buy one where the NCIC check is not being performed (private party). (Assuming it is just some bureaucratic screw up that causes the delay..........) :dunno:
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on March 31, 2013, 10:11:17 AM
Isn't the intent of the background check to weed out people who are not supposed to get firerms, IE felons, for example. Yet nothing stops that same felon from buying from a private party....
My thought/question is, if denied by NCIC, and then for whatever reason, at a later date, found with a firearm, what are the potential problems then?? If right or wrong, they have already said you can't buy one, commonsense says then you can't have one period. Yes - no? At least until you have run the appeals process and gotten an error corrected.
Post by: Curly on March 31, 2013, 10:37:24 AM
Lets say she just went and bought a pistol from someone in the Hunt-Wa classifieds without first going to a store that will run a background check. Then she would have a gun and be legal. The background check is apparently screwed up and she will just have to appeal and take a bunch of time to get it straightened out. :twocents:
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on March 31, 2013, 11:41:20 AM
But my question is, based on the status of the NCIC check, UNTIL it is cleared-up, how much headache could someone be facing in the time in-between?
Are we talking about a possible felony charge of illegal possesion of a firearm? Doesn't mean that person is guility, but certainly could work out to be very inconvienient until it gets resolved....
Is there a provision that during the appeal, there is an exception that would prevent this until all is said and done?
For a simple example, insurance is required on your car/truck if you operate it on a public road/street. For whatever reason, you get pulled over and do not have your insurance card or form that shows you currently have insurance. Now, you do have insurance, you paid the preminums, and there is no doubt in your mind you have insurance and are legal, you just can't prove it at that moment, on the side of the road.
Now you get a ticket for fail to show proof of insurance. Has nothing to do with whether you have insurance or not, you just can't show that you do at that moment. Now you have a legal issue that you have to spend time and effort and possibly money, to resolve in court...yes - no?
In this example, I am talking about a minor traffic issue, but illegal possession of a firearm is a felony, not as easily or cheaply resolved. And I submit that if you cannot pass an NCIC check, you cannot legally buy or possess a firearm until it gets straightened out, and you can pass the check.
Two different degrees of seriousiness, yes, but the same underlaying problem...you may be in reality in perfect compliance and legal, but it can take time and money to correct it. In the case of a felony, that usually means atty fees, which you are out regardless of the outcome.
I just think it is bad adivice to tell someone who goes to a licensed dealer and if flagged as not eligible to buy a firearm to side-step the law (which is what it is, it is the law that background checks be done buy FFL holders), and buy one anyway, at least until they know what got them denied and take steps to correct it.
Post by: dreamunelk on March 31, 2013, 12:31:20 PM
Post by: Smossy on March 31, 2013, 12:37:39 PM
Ill let her explain on her own time though.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on March 31, 2013, 12:54:28 PM
Post by: owmygulay on March 31, 2013, 12:58:48 PM
Its funny to watch the arguments and statements when it was actually something dumb. Papers filled out and situation is resolved.
Ill let her explain on her own time though.
Just finished reading this whole thread. Glad it got taken care of in the end.
Post by: Curly on March 31, 2013, 12:58:55 PM
Post by: furiouzgeorge on March 31, 2013, 01:34:02 PM
Post by: Austrian Hunter on March 31, 2013, 01:54:37 PM
Post by: Becky on March 31, 2013, 04:08:38 PM
- To the ones who keep saying federal NICS etc, I called and called and left voicemails to ask for my case # or whatever exactly it's called (TNT? something, I can't find it in this thread anymore) and I never got any calls back from Cabela's so I didn't go that route.
- I called every phone number I could find for Pierce County, ended up emailing them off the LESA website/South Sound 911 and they promptly emailed me back and said I'll get the information in the mail but if I wish to call, just keep pressing 0 to speak to someone. Go figure lol.
- I DO have a Federal Secret Security Clearance, had this actually went as a federal background check/purchase, I'm 99% it would have went through. It went straight to Pierce County, and there only. Someone earlier mentioned it was because it was a handgun purchase and that is why. I have no clue.
Sooooooo, the denial, is something kind of funny that I honestly forgot happened. Roughly 10 years ago when I was 16, I had some bad judgement in a popular girl friend that got caught shoplifting while I was with her. You are at that point an accomplice, regardless of what you did or have on you. We got arrested and taken to juvie, sent home to our parents, then had court a week later. I guess the amount she had on her qualified as a Theft II (?) and after court we were told it was expunged from our record/dismissed/deferred something along those lines. I don't quite remember all of it, my mom did it all.
FLASH FORWARD to now, that's not anywhere on my federal record, but the arrest IS on record with the local Pierce County Sheriff's Office and bingo, apparently Theft II is a low-end felony. Although no charges were made and I wasn't convicted of anything, the simple fact that is was even there says I can't purchase any firearm. The lady I spoke with told me to just go down to Remann Hall and have my juvenile records sealed then try again after.
Here is where it's weird to me and maybe someone can explain - the filing clerk at Remann Hall and the LESA official I spoke to, said COMPLETELY OPPOSITE things to me. I kept calling them back and forth, saying "well they said ____". LESA says, deferred means "finding of guilt" but I don't have a felony and was not charged with anything, but I still can't have a firearm until the record is sealed. Remann Hall says "absolutely not, it says on your record right there that it was dismissed, and a deferred means you have to do something in return for it to be dismissed" and then he went onto say "it's good to know the people in charge over there really know what they're saying" and he rolled his eyes! Either way, I didn't even know anything was there to begin with and nothing has been there since, so I filled it all out to have it sealed then this Friday I go in again and figure the rest out.
So yeah, thanks to everyone's help though because I sure as heck couldn't of figured it out!
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on March 31, 2013, 04:32:40 PM
Post by: buck man on March 31, 2013, 06:06:34 PM
Post by: csaaphill on April 01, 2013, 12:21:43 AM
Post by: Becky on April 01, 2013, 06:20:02 AM
Great! Hope it all works out. Enjoyed reading the thread. Can't believe some people's ability to judge someone else so harshly. Good luck to you and smossy. :tup:
Thank ya, I think this thread had some pretty good information from a lot of people :)
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on April 01, 2013, 06:26:56 AM
Good thats its all getting cleared up.
Post by: Becky on April 01, 2013, 06:32:30 AM
Those Ghosts in the closet will get ya everytime! Lol Same kinda thing that happenend to me.
Good thats its all getting cleared up.
Yea I guess so! It never once crossed my mind, it never came up in anything else lol :)
Post by: ICEMAN on April 01, 2013, 07:00:29 AM
Wee on a computer, dun dun dunnn, onto the story. Okay so a few of you already said something similar.
- To the ones who keep saying federal NICS etc, I called and called and left voicemails to ask for my case # or whatever exactly it's called (TNT? something, I can't find it in this thread anymore) and I never got any calls back from Cabela's so I didn't go that route.
- I called every phone number I could find for Pierce County, ended up emailing them off the LESA website/South Sound 911 and they promptly emailed me back and said I'll get the information in the mail but if I wish to call, just keep pressing 0 to speak to someone. Go figure lol.
- I DO have a Federal Secret Security Clearance, had this actually went as a federal background check/purchase, I'm 99% it would have went through. It went straight to Pierce County, and there only. Someone earlier mentioned it was because it was a handgun purchase and that is why. I have no clue.
Sooooooo, the denial, is something kind of funny that I honestly forgot happened. Roughly 10 years ago when I was 16, I had some bad judgement in a popular girl friend that got caught shoplifting while I was with her. You are at that point an accomplice, regardless of what you did or have on you. We got arrested and taken to juvie, sent home to our parents, then had court a week later. I guess the amount she had on her qualified as a Theft II (?) and after court we were told it was expunged from our record/dismissed/deferred something along those lines. I don't quite remember all of it, my mom did it all.
FLASH FORWARD to now, that's not anywhere on my federal record, but the arrest IS on record with the local Pierce County Sheriff's Office and bingo, apparently Theft II is a low-end felony. Although no charges were made and I wasn't convicted of anything, the simple fact that is was even there says I can't purchase any firearm. The lady I spoke with told me to just go down to Remann Hall and have my juvenile records sealed then try again after.
Here is where it's weird to me and maybe someone can explain - the filing clerk at Remann Hall and the LESA official I spoke to, said COMPLETELY OPPOSITE things to me. I kept calling them back and forth, saying "well they said ____". LESA says, deferred means "finding of guilt" but I don't have a felony and was not charged with anything, but I still can't have a firearm until the record is sealed. Remann Hall says "absolutely not, it says on your record right there that it was dismissed, and a deferred means you have to do something in return for it to be dismissed" and then he went onto say "it's good to know the people in charge over there really know what they're saying" and he rolled his eyes! Either way, I didn't even know anything was there to begin with and nothing has been there since, so I filled it all out to have it sealed then this Friday I go in again and figure the rest out.
So yeah, thanks to everyone's help though because I sure as heck couldn't of figured it out!
Also, in the legal arena, there is a big difference between "deferred prosecution" and "deferred sentence". If Def Pros, then you were not prosecuted, and need this posted to your record. If you were Def Sent, then a finding of "deferred Sentence (guilty) is posted to your record, even if it was later dismissed.
You may actually need to lawyer up to get this resolved. A juvenile arrest record with no resolution, no final court disposition can later be updated with "Deferred Sentence" and cause your record to be an automatic denial, as a felony theft II will now appear on your record, where previously it was "open" with no final disposition. A deferred sentence is considered conviction data on a RAPsheet.
Post by: Becky on April 01, 2013, 08:31:55 AM
Also, in the legal arena, there is a big difference between "deferred prosecution" and "deferred sentence". If Def Pros, then you were not prosecuted, and need this posted to your record. If you were Def Sent, then a finding of "deferred Sentence (guilty) is posted to your record, even if it was later dismissed.
You may actually need to lawyer up to get this resolved. A juvenile arrest record with no resolution, no final court disposition can later be updated with "Deferred Sentence" and cause your record to be an automatic denial, as a felony theft II will now appear on your record, where previously it was "open" with no final disposition. A deferred sentence is considered conviction data on a RAPsheet.
Good information, it's definitely closed, I got to read the records and it had a final date of closing/dismissal. I guess I don't understand what a deferred sentence is. There is "deferred sentence", "deferred disposition", and "deferred prosicution". All I remember being told about that time was "deferred"...
This is basically what the gentleman at Remann Hall said had happened - I had an apology letter, I wrote it, the requirements were satisfied and it was dismissed. He was saying that it shouldn't have been a factor in purchasing a weapon as I was not convicted of anything and it's not on any federal record, only the local sheriff's office because I never had it sealed. He helped me fill out the sealing documents though and they get sent off to 4 different locations. I go back Friday to see them and what happens. Maybe I'm not understanding it all correctly then, but I know I have 0 convictions on my record.
-Hindsight, I probably should have had a lawyer THEN, I had nothing on me and I'm sure a lawyer would have a lot more to say than a scared kid just going through the motions of what they tell you. :dunno:
Post by: csaaphill on April 02, 2013, 01:00:06 PM
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on April 02, 2013, 01:14:56 PM
defered means they wont prosecute as long as you live up to some kind of deal arangement, and stay clean for a certain amount of time. most cases usually two years
That is deferred prosecution. There could have been a deferred sentence with a conviction.
Post by: MadHatter on April 02, 2013, 03:28:07 PM
It could also be that if there is no disposition at all that its still showing as "open," and I believe that if charged with a felony, with an open case, that they can deny a purchase as well, at least until there is a resolution.
Example: Adam goes out on a Friday night and commits a burglary. He is arrested and charged with Burglary 2 and several other crimes not pertinent to this example . His mommy bails him out Monday morning and he goes to his local gun store to buy a hand gun. Adam does not have a CPL and his information is faxed to the local LE, who sees that he has an open case with a felony charge with a court date a month from now, and denies that purchase.
Post by: Becky on April 02, 2013, 05:01:37 PM
"Pros Case Status: CASE IS CLOSED"
"Disposition: DISM/DEFERRED ADJUDICATION" as of 2003
I never pleaded guilty, it was no contest. From what I gathered searching information, its just sitting there forever until it's sealed but there was no conviction. The original crime just is public record.
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on April 02, 2013, 11:54:53 PM
Okay translate -
"Pros Case Status: CASE IS CLOSED"
"Disposition: DISM/DEFERRED ADJUDICATION" as of 2003
I never pleaded guilty, it was no contest. From what I gathered searching information, its just sitting there forever until it's sealed but there was no conviction. The original crime just is public record.
Nolo contendere is a legal term that comes from the Latin for "I do not wish to contend." It is also referred to as a plea of no contest. In criminal trials in certain U.S. jurisdictions, it is a plea where the defendant neither admits nor disputes a charge, serving as an alternative to a pleading of guilty or not guilty. A no-contest plea, while not technically a guilty plea, has the same immediate effect as a guilty plea, and is often offered as a part of a plea bargain.
Post by: JoeE on April 03, 2013, 12:57:53 AM
Okay translate -
"Pros Case Status: CASE IS CLOSED"
"Disposition: DISM/DEFERRED ADJUDICATION" as of 2003
I never pleaded guilty, it was no contest. From what I gathered searching information, its just sitting there forever until it's sealed but there was no conviction. The original crime just is public record.
Nolo contendere is a legal term that comes from the Latin for "I do not wish to contend." It is also referred to as a plea of no contest. In criminal trials in certain U.S. jurisdictions, it is a plea where the defendant neither admits nor disputes a charge, serving as an alternative to a pleading of guilty or not guilty. A no-contest plea, while not technically a guilty plea, has the same immediate effect as a guilty plea, and is often offered as a part of a plea bargain.
:yeah:
Post by: Becky on April 03, 2013, 06:22:33 AM
Okay translate -
"Pros Case Status: CASE IS CLOSED"
"Disposition: DISM/DEFERRED ADJUDICATION" as of 2003
I never pleaded guilty, it was no contest. From what I gathered searching information, its just sitting there forever until it's sealed but there was no conviction. The original crime just is public record.
Nolo contendere is a legal term that comes from the Latin for "I do not wish to contend." It is also referred to as a plea of no contest. In criminal trials in certain U.S. jurisdictions, it is a plea where the defendant neither admits nor disputes a charge, serving as an alternative to a pleading of guilty or not guilty. A no-contest plea, while not technically a guilty plea, has the same immediate effect as a guilty plea, and is often offered as a part of a plea bargain.
Okay, but it was still dismissed and closed (?) so they said "write this apology letter" and it turns into deferred adjudication because at that point that is a "you do this, and it's dismissed"-thing, correct? Or did he not explain it right?
Post by: Becky on April 03, 2013, 06:24:11 AM
so you need to request court to have case sealed,or expunged? when all this Obama stuff started i remember a few cases of people that were prohibited but didnt even know it and were charged with firearm possession.then it went to supreme court and i dont know from there.very scary.so all in all you have found out that you are clear from everything and now can according to the courts posses right?
Yep did that! Just waiting to hear the outcome now. :)
Post by: GrainfedMuley on April 03, 2013, 06:24:50 AM
Does Smossy have the same legal address?
No we don't "live" together. Nothing on record connects us.
Except a thread on the "WORLD WIDE INTERNET!" Big brother can find and know more information about each of us than you think. Is your security clearance through DOD or NSA?
Post by: GrainfedMuley on April 03, 2013, 06:26:57 AM
so you need to request court to have case sealed,or expunged? when all this Obama stuff started i remember a few cases of people that were prohibited but didnt even know it and were charged with firearm possession.then it went to supreme court and i dont know from there.very scary.so all in all you have found out that you are clear from everything and now can according to the courts posses right?
Yep did that! Just waiting to hear the outcome now. :)
BUT!, there are rules and not all records can be expunged. If the incident happened before 1994 it can not be expunged.
Post by: GrainfedMuley on April 03, 2013, 06:37:35 AM
Post by: Becky on April 05, 2013, 10:27:57 AM
Post by: combs338 on April 05, 2013, 10:33:02 AM
Post by: gaddy on April 05, 2013, 10:34:58 AM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on April 05, 2013, 10:40:03 AM
Post by: Becky on April 05, 2013, 10:52:12 AM
Post by: Hawgdawg on April 05, 2013, 10:53:03 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on April 05, 2013, 11:31:55 AM
Post by: Austrian Hunter on April 05, 2013, 11:38:50 AM
Ooo more good news, records were officially sealed today, AND they haven't processed my CPL yet so they attached this restoration letter to it.. Yeeee might just get my CPL before anything :)
:tup:
Post by: christopheri on April 05, 2013, 06:20:41 PM
Ooo more good news, records were officially sealed today, AND they haven't processed my CPL yet so they attached this restoration letter to it.. Yeeee might just get my CPL before anything :)
:tup: X2
Post by: firefighter4607 on April 06, 2013, 01:26:17 AM
Glad everything worked out for you!!
Post by: csaaphill on April 07, 2013, 08:26:48 PM
Post by: Becky on April 10, 2013, 03:39:12 PM
Post by: smdave on April 10, 2013, 03:40:17 PM
My laminated CPL just came in the mail today, I'm a happy girl, time to go shopping :)
That is cool, now the gun 8)
Post by: gaddy on April 10, 2013, 03:43:35 PM
Post by: JJD on April 12, 2013, 09:39:18 AM
My laminated CPL just came in the mail today, I'm a happy girl, time to go shopping :):yeah: :tup: :tup:
Post by: Becky on April 12, 2013, 09:45:13 AM
hope you can get the one you were looking for. do they still have it ?
No they didn't, I'm almost leaning towards a different one now though, the smaller P938 for a first. I'm so undecided right now haha.