Post by: Bean Counter on April 02, 2013, 10:27:52 AM
Hope you have all the guns and ammo you'll ever want.
Post by: Gringo31 on April 02, 2013, 11:01:31 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on April 02, 2013, 11:07:26 AM
Did we expect anything less???
Last week, Dudley warned you the gun-grabbers at the UN were dangerously close to passing their UN Gun Ban.
Today, they're expected to vote on their international gun grab.
Even worse, it only takes a simple majority -- 97 out of 193 member nations -- to pass it.
If it does pass, gun owners can expect Barack Obama and John Kerry to do everything possible to ram it through the U.S. Senate.
That's why it's critical you act today.
If you haven't yet done so, please click here to sign your "No UN Gun Ban" petition to your U.S. Senators RIGHT NOW!
If you have already signed your petition, please click here to forward this email to every American you know who supports the Second Amendment.
After signing your petition, please scroll down to read Dudley's detailed analysis of the damage the UN Gun Ban would do to your gun rights.
-- Christine H
P.S. NAGR staff is preparing to flood Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., with millions of "No UN Gun Ban" petitions.
Please click below to sign your petition, then consider chipping in $10 or $20 to help NAGR defeat this international gun grab.
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To: Christine H [christineh@nationalgunrights.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:39 AM
Subject: Obama's crown jewel
http://www.nagr.org/UN_gun_petition.aspx?pid=2c (http://www.nagr.org/UN_gun_petition.aspx?pid=2c)
Post by: Gringo31 on April 02, 2013, 11:07:52 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on April 02, 2013, 11:10:20 AM
For the smart phone folks:
http://www.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=22995&external=2060203.proteus.fma#quickPage_html_page_22995_content_91524122_pageNum_1 (http://www.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=22995&external=2060203.proteus.fma#quickPage_html_page_22995_content_91524122_pageNum_1)
Post by: npaull on April 02, 2013, 11:22:16 AM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on April 02, 2013, 11:36:50 AM
Dictators doing what they do best!
Post by: csaaphill on April 02, 2013, 12:55:35 PM
Post by: NoImpactNoIdea on April 02, 2013, 01:17:37 PM
Let's revisit this thread when nothing at all happens to anyone's individual guns in America.
That seems like a poor choice. Once it's done it's 10 times harder to undo than stop it in its tracks.
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 02, 2013, 01:28:50 PM
Let's revisit this thread when nothing at all happens to anyone's individual guns in America.
This isn't about the UN taking anyone's individual guns and never has been. This is about keeping an ongoing registry of guns sold so the UN gets to see what happens with them down the road. The problem with the UN treaty is that is gives our government a list if we actually abide by what we sign, a list that our government can use to take guns in the future. It remains to be seen if America will put up with that. I think we're a lot closer to it than we ever have been before. It would be a huge mistake to have a registry or for us to allow it.
Post by: magnanimous_j on April 02, 2013, 01:32:57 PM
The point of this treaty is to create a chain of custody for large batches of firearms traded between countries. That way, when a rebel group in Angola commits genocide, we can track it back and say “Hey Egypt, care to explain how those rebels got a hold of 15,000 Vektor R4’s that were last seen with you?”
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 02, 2013, 01:37:19 PM
How many times does it have to be explained that this will not affect gun rights in America whatsoever? Your name will NOT be in any international database. The United freaking Nations does not care about your firearm collection. International trade of firearms between the civilian populations of free countries will not be affected.
The point of this treaty is to create a chain of custody for large batches of firearms traded between countries. That way, when a rebel group in Angola commits genocide, we can track it back and say “Hey Egypt, care to explain how those rebels got a hold of 15,000 Vektor R4’s that were last seen with you?”
When this is taken off the UN website for the Small Arms Treaty:
"Marking and tracing
If national law enforcement officials were able to trace small arms back to their last legitimate owner, who might then be held accountable, this would form an effective measure against illicit trade and diversion. For that purpose, it is essential that the weapon be marked upon production and import, and that appropriate records be kept. Existing stocks should also be marked. Although many weapons are marked upon production and import, international cooperation in marking and tracing of small arms is in its infancy."
"their last legitimate owner". Where do you find this out without a gun registry? You'd just sign anything your Dear Leader told you to, wouldn't you, Mag?
Post by: washelkhunter on April 02, 2013, 01:42:20 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on April 02, 2013, 01:45:18 PM
The point of this treaty is to create a chain of custody for large batches of firearms traded between countries. That way, when a rebel group in Angola commits genocide, we can track it back and say “Hey Egypt, care to explain how those rebels got a hold of 15,000 Vektor R4’s that were last seen with you?”
Yeah? So we will finall see some accountability with the "Justice" Department despite the attorney general being held in contempt for stone walling?
Post by: magnanimous_j on April 02, 2013, 01:54:18 PM
If national law enforcement officials were able to trace small arms back to their last legitimate owner, who might then be held accountable, this would form an effective measure against illicit trade and diversion. For that purpose, it is essential that the weapon be marked upon production and import, and that appropriate records be kept. Existing stocks should also be marked. Although many weapons are marked upon production and import, international cooperation in marking and tracing of small arms is in its infancy."
"their last legitimate owner". Where do you find this out without a gun registry? You'd just sign anything your Dear Leader told you to, wouldn't you, Mag?
Sigh.
Chain of custody: Beretta builds a batch of shotguns for export to America. Beretta records the serial numbers for that batch and submits that information to the UN. US distributor of Beretta shotguns takes delivery of the batch and that information is recorded and submitted to the UN. That’s as far as it goes. If you buy one of those shotguns, your information IS NOT submitted to the UN.
The only way you would ever end up in that database is if you were to sell that shotgun over country lines. But that’s not what this is about.
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 02, 2013, 01:55:17 PM
The point of this treaty is to create a chain of custody for large batches of firearms traded between countries. That way, when a rebel group in Angola commits genocide, we can track it back and say “Hey Egypt, care to explain how those rebels got a hold of 15,000 Vektor R4’s that were last seen with you?”
Yeah? So we will finall see some accountability with the "Justice" Department despite the attorney general being held in contempt for stone walling?
Yeah, that's going to happen. BCounter, you have to remember that this all comes from the same guy who told us over and over again that Obama wasn't going to go after our guns. He didn't do it in his first term, so there's just no way it could happen in his second. He has integrity! :tup: :puke:
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 02, 2013, 02:02:52 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 02, 2013, 02:04:50 PM
I don't have any guns so I don't have to worry about it :dunno:.Damn forgot there is no sarcastic button.
Post by: csaaphill on April 02, 2013, 02:38:57 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on April 03, 2013, 05:05:17 AM
The point of this treaty is to create a chain of custody for large batches of firearms traded between countries. That way, when a rebel group in Angola commits genocide, we can track it back and say “Hey Egypt, care to explain how those rebels got a hold of 15,000 Vektor R4’s that were last seen with you?”
Yeah? So we will finall see some accountability with the "Justice" Department despite the attorney general being held in contempt for stone walling?
Yeah, that's going to happen. BCounter, you have to remember that this all comes from the same guy who told us over and over again that Obama wasn't going to go after our guns. He didn't do it in his first term, so there's just no way it could happen in his second. He has integrity! :tup: :puke:
Another campaign promise:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fts3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DH.4635133976577306%26amp%3Bpid%3D1.7&hash=f556875a8f4fc35d5d48a47123ae7c58bb0036aa)
Post by: GrainfedMuley on April 03, 2013, 06:18:39 AM
Let's revisit this thread when nothing at all happens to anyone's individual guns in America.
This isn't about the UN taking anyone's individual guns and never has been. This is about keeping an ongoing registry of guns sold so the UN gets to see what happens with them down the road. The problem with the UN treaty is that is gives our government a list if we actually abide by what we sign, a list that our government can use to take guns in the future. It remains to be seen if America will put up with that. I think we're a lot closer to it than we ever have been before. It would be a huge mistake to have a registry or for us to allow it.
That's why you do not leave a paper trail of any kind. Educate yourself and build your own. Never buy over the counter for firearms or ammo.
Post by: Wenatcheejay on April 03, 2013, 02:40:55 PM
How many times does it have to be explained that this will not affect gun rights in America whatsoever? Your name will NOT be in any international database. The United freaking Nations does not care about your firearm collection. International trade of firearms between the civilian populations of free countries will not be affected.
The point of this treaty is to create a chain of custody for large batches of firearms traded between countries. That way, when a rebel group in Angola commits genocide, we can track it back and say “Hey Egypt, care to explain how those rebels got a hold of 15,000 Vektor R4’s that were last seen with you?”
Obama is not going to go after your pistol, shotgun, or rifle.
Obama is going to cut the deficit in half.
Obama is going to lower unemployment to 5%.
Obama is going to balance the budget.
Most transparent Administration in history.
He will not raise taxes on you one dime,
Oh, and the UN treaty he wants to sign. His word that it will not have any effect on any American... :pee:
Post by: csaaphill on April 03, 2013, 11:25:41 PM
amazing how easy it is too some pipe and sealant and boom.Let's revisit this thread when nothing at all happens to anyone's individual guns in America.
This isn't about the UN taking anyone's individual guns and never has been. This is about keeping an ongoing registry of guns sold so the UN gets to see what happens with them down the road. The problem with the UN treaty is that is gives our government a list if we actually abide by what we sign, a list that our government can use to take guns in the future. It remains to be seen if America will put up with that. I think we're a lot closer to it than we ever have been before. It would be a huge mistake to have a registry or for us to allow it.
That's why you do not leave a paper trail of any kind. Educate yourself and build your own. Never buy over the counter for firearms or ammo.
Post by: JJD on April 04, 2013, 06:17:08 AM
I don't have any guns so I don't have to worry about it :dunno:.
No problemo russ, you are already on "the list" and have been for quite some time.
Ever notice when ya travel by air that they Always screen you with great care?
Yup, you are on it.
I sold all my guns too :chuckle:
Post by: Russ McDonald on April 04, 2013, 06:40:07 AM
I always wondered why they got all touchy feely with me. :dunno:I don't have any guns so I don't have to worry about it :dunno:.
No problemo russ, you are already on "the list" and have been for quite some time.
Ever notice when ya travel by air that they Always screen you with great care?
Yup, you are on it.
I sold all my guns too :chuckle:
Post by: GrainfedMuley on April 05, 2013, 03:09:28 PM
I always wondered why they got all touchy feely with me. :dunno:I don't have any guns so I don't have to worry about it :dunno:.
No problemo russ, you are already on "the list" and have been for quite some time.
Ever notice when ya travel by air that they Always screen you with great care?
Yup, you are on it.
I sold all my guns too :chuckle:
Cause you are a hunk!
Post by: csaaphill on April 06, 2013, 09:52:24 PM
Can provide a link if anyone needs, or text or both. Basically the Executive order does exactly what the UN treaty does. It also gives large amounts of power to Eric Holder.
Obama's mostly becoming the dictator that we all say he can't be, but even if he's used EO less, all one has to do is do the right kind of EO.
Better hope something bad doesn't happen over N Korea, or his power will transform into just that!!!