Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 06, 2013, 02:06:37 PM
Post by: woodswalker on April 06, 2013, 02:13:24 PM
Also some folks are just flat preparing for a possible worst case scenario in this country IF the Feds decided to do a "Gun roundup". I have a sneaking hunch that such an action might not QUITE go as well as planned. :bdid:
Post by: kisfish on April 06, 2013, 02:25:07 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 06, 2013, 02:27:34 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 06, 2013, 02:31:11 PM
I do think the government and DHS get a good portion from what I have read, but who knows how true that is. It's lucky when I find ammo at the store. So many people are stock piling and just as many seem to be reselling it trying to make a buck. Just my :twocents::chuckle: :chuckle: thats true !! My buddy had some steel shotshells that he is not using them and quit ducking ...He ask me if I wanted to buy them for $12 a box :dunno: :yike: He made a huge mistake by showing me the shells that had the price tag still on the boxes ...$ 9.99 :o I said no thanks :chuckle: he then says $10 a box...I had to say O.K
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 06, 2013, 02:32:38 PM
Post by: bearpaw on April 06, 2013, 02:33:19 PM
Senator Rand Paul asked why homeland security ordered so much ammo, they did not answer.
Post by: kisfish on April 06, 2013, 02:34:14 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 06, 2013, 02:36:31 PM
Post by: bearpaw on April 06, 2013, 02:39:03 PM
I never seen shelves so bare in my life when it comes to bullets and reloading supplies ...mainly pwder bullets and primers ...hell I can not even find the primers I like ,,, CCI 200 ... I have about 300 left ...thank goodness :yike:
If you need primers stop at Big R and Clarks Allsport in Colville when you come over turkey hunting, they had primers last time I was in there and have been getting shipments fairly often. I could even pick you up some if needed.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 06, 2013, 02:44:45 PM
They have any powder ...Imr 4350 0r Imr 4831 ? If they are CCI 200 primers I may have you do that ....thanks for the offer :tup:I never seen shelves so bare in my life when it comes to bullets and reloading supplies ...mainly pwder bullets and primers ...hell I can not even find the primers I like ,,, CCI 200 ... I have about 300 left ...thank goodness :yike:
If you need primers stop at Big R and Clarks Allsport in Colville when you come over turkey hunting, they had primers last time I was in there and have been getting shipments fairly often. I could even pick you up some if needed.
Post by: Bob33 on April 06, 2013, 02:48:47 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on April 06, 2013, 02:51:38 PM
I think Federal was holding back some of the orders until the April 1st price increase. Center fire rounds went up 15% and rimfire went up 10% for promo stuff. If everyone had a limit of one per customer, a lot of shelves would be full. Many stores have created lists and when supplies come in they get a call, so you never see it touch the shelf. Dave's and Skagit Arms are doing this.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 06, 2013, 03:03:33 PM
What are you looking for? I have been seeing lots of powder and primers, except the Pistol Small primers, those are like ghosts. Everything else keeps coming out and then gone quickly.Imr 4350 & Imr 4831 and CCI 200 Primers ...if you can finf it let me know ....John
I think Federal was holding back some of the orders until the April 1st price increase. Center fire rounds went up 15% and rimfire went up 10% for promo stuff. If everyone had a limit of one per customer, a lot of shelves would be full. Many stores have created lists and when supplies come in they get a call, so you never see it touch the shelf. Dave's and Skagit Arms are doing this.
Post by: rb2506 on April 06, 2013, 03:05:50 PM
Saw lots of imr but that was in Montana @ sportsmans
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Post by: mountainman on April 06, 2013, 03:49:19 PM
Nope, its being snapped up by all the folks who are worried that the Fed.Gov WILL enact some legislation that would make components either illegal or more expensive (like a tax on bullets of $.05 ea).
Also some folks are just flat preparing for a possible worst case scenario in this country IF the Feds decided to do a "Gun roundup". I have a sneaking hunch that such an action might not QUITE go as well as planned. :bdid:
This is not true. If we were still in the first couple weeks past Sandy Hook, maybee...But we are 3+ months past it. There has been no ammo or components in any bulk amounts at ANY gunstore, nation wide. So, since thats a fact, how can us "crazy" gun owners be stockpiling it?? Has to come down the pike in large quantities for your statement to be true, and frankly, thats not happening..and what has been becoming available is in such small quantities, and with a limit og one or two boxes per customer...? So either it is being snatched up somewhere, or they have stopped manufacturing of it?? .22lr for example?
Post by: bearpaw on April 06, 2013, 03:52:43 PM
They have any powder ...Imr 4350 0r Imr 4831 ? If they are CCI 200 primers I may have you do that ....thanks for the offer :tup:I never seen shelves so bare in my life when it comes to bullets and reloading supplies ...mainly pwder bullets and primers ...hell I can not even find the primers I like ,,, CCI 200 ... I have about 300 left ...thank goodness :yike:
If you need primers stop at Big R and Clarks Allsport in Colville when you come over turkey hunting, they had primers last time I was in there and have been getting shipments fairly often. I could even pick you up some if needed.
I will call and ask, how many of each do you want if they have it?
pm if you want...
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 06, 2013, 03:53:52 PM
10-4They have any powder ...Imr 4350 0r Imr 4831 ? If they are CCI 200 primers I may have you do that ....thanks for the offer :tup:I never seen shelves so bare in my life when it comes to bullets and reloading supplies ...mainly pwder bullets and primers ...hell I can not even find the primers I like ,,, CCI 200 ... I have about 300 left ...thank goodness :yike:
If you need primers stop at Big R and Clarks Allsport in Colville when you come over turkey hunting, they had primers last time I was in there and have been getting shipments fairly often. I could even pick you up some if needed.
I will call and ask, how many of each do you want if they have it?
pm if you want...
Post by: bearpaw on April 06, 2013, 03:57:29 PM
How about retumbo?
Saw lots of imr but that was in Montana @ sportsmans
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If you are talking to me they had Retumbo the other day in Colville. You might also check with mountainman on here, they carry reloading supplies, he might be able to mail it if he has it.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 06, 2013, 03:58:02 PM
Post by: rb2506 on April 06, 2013, 03:59:13 PM
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Post by: Austrian Hunter on April 06, 2013, 04:04:06 PM
The solicitation asks for 10 million pistol cartridge .40 caliber 165 Grain, jacketed Hollow point bullets (100 quantities of 100,000 rounds) and
10 million 9mm 115 grain jacketed hollow point bullets (100 quantities of 100,000 rounds).
The document also lists a requirement for
1.6 million pistol cartridge 9mm ball bullets (40 quantities of 40,000 rounds).
An approximation of how many rounds of ammunition the DHS has now secured over the last 10 months stands at around 1.625 billion!!!.
In March 2012, ATK announced that they had agreed to provide the DHS with a maximum of 450 million bullets over four years, a story that prompted questions about why the feds were buying ammunition in such large quantities.
To put that in perspective, during the height of active battle operations in Iraq, US soldiers used 5.5 million rounds of ammunition a month. Extrapolating the figures, the DHS has purchased enough bullets over the last 10 months to wage a full scale war for almost 30 years.
Such massive quantities of ammo purchases have stoked fears that
the agency is preparing for some kind of domestic unrest. In 2011, Department of Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano directed Immigration and Customs Enforcement to prepare for a mass influx of immigrants into the United States, calling for the plan to deal with the "shelter" and "processing" of large numbers of people.
The federal agency's primary concern is now centered around thwarting "
homegrown terrorism," but information produced and used by the DHS to train its personnel routinely equates conservative political ideology with domestic extremism.
A study funded by the Department of Homeland Security that was leaked last year characterizes Americans who are "suspicious of centralized federal authority," and "reverent of individual liberty" as "extreme right-wing" terrorists.
In August 2012, the DHS censored information relating to the amount of bullets purchased by the federal agency on behalf of Immigration & Customs Enforcement, citing an "unusual and compelling urgency" to acquire the bullets, noting that there is a shortage of bullets which is threatening a situation that could cause "substantial safety issues for the government" should law enforcement officials not be adequately armed.
As we highlighted last month, the DHS' previous ammunition solicitation was awarded to Evian Group, an organization that was formed just five days before the announcement of the solicitation
and appeared to be little more than a front organization since it didn't have a genuine physical address, a website, or even a phone number.
While Americans are being browbeaten with rhetoric about the necessity to give up semi-automatic firearms in the name of preventing school shootings, the federal government is arming itself to the teeth with both ammunition and guns. Last September, the DHS purchased no less than 7,000 fully automatic assault rifles, labeling them "Personal Defense Weapons."
Post by: bearpaw on April 06, 2013, 04:10:01 PM
DHS Tells Border Patrol They Have Ammo Shortage
Read more: http://MinuteMenNews.com/2013/04/dhs-tells-border-patrol-they-have-ammo-shortage/#ixzz2PjAzbCTV (http://MinuteMenNews.com/2013/04/dhs-tells-border-patrol-they-have-ammo-shortage/#ixzz2PjAzbCTV)
Post by: snowpack on April 06, 2013, 04:12:40 PM
Post by: KFhunter on April 06, 2013, 04:13:26 PM
now read this, it doesn't add up...
DHS Tells Border Patrol They Have Ammo Shortage
Read more: http://MinuteMenNews.com/2013/04/dhs-tells-border-patrol-they-have-ammo-shortage/#ixzz2PjAzbCTV (http://MinuteMenNews.com/2013/04/dhs-tells-border-patrol-they-have-ammo-shortage/#ixzz2PjAzbCTV)
ordering ammo and actually taking delivery are two different things - has anyone come across any articles showing how much DHS has actually taken delivery of in recent months?
this leads me to speculate the panic buying is worse than we thought.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 06, 2013, 04:17:48 PM
now read this, it doesn't add up...:dunno: unfortunatly a guy needs to watch what he says about his president ...So I rest my case :tup:
DHS Tells Border Patrol They Have Ammo Shortage
Read more: http://MinuteMenNews.com/2013/04/dhs-tells-border-patrol-they-have-ammo-shortage/#ixzz2PjAzbCTV (http://MinuteMenNews.com/2013/04/dhs-tells-border-patrol-they-have-ammo-shortage/#ixzz2PjAzbCTV)
Post by: woodswalker on April 06, 2013, 04:42:35 PM
Nope, its being snapped up by all the folks who are worried that the Fed.Gov WILL enact some legislation that would make components either illegal or more expensive (like a tax on bullets of $.05 ea).
Also some folks are just flat preparing for a possible worst case scenario in this country IF the Feds decided to do a "Gun roundup". I have a sneaking hunch that such an action might not QUITE go as well as planned. :bdid:
This is not true. If we were still in the first couple weeks past Sandy Hook, maybee...But we are 3+ months past it. There has been no ammo or components in any bulk amounts at ANY gunstore, nation wide. So, since thats a fact, how can us "crazy" gun owners be stockpiling it?? Has to come down the pike in large quantities for your statement to be true, and frankly, thats not happening..and what has been becoming available is in such small quantities, and with a limit og one or two boxes per customer...? So either it is being snatched up somewhere, or they have stopped manufacturing of it?? .22lr for example?
Because most of it is being bought up either the MOMENT it hits the shelves...or it never makes it TO the shelves. Kesselrings sold OUT of nearly 500# of powder in a matter of days. They are still getting shipments...but if you are not standing there...its GONE...same with primers. Skagit Arms has a listing of who wants what...every time they get a shipment...they go a bit farther down the list. It still never hits the shelves.
Post by: mountainman on April 06, 2013, 05:23:33 PM
Nope, its being snapped up by all the folks who are worried that the Fed.Gov WILL enact some legislation that would make components either illegal or more expensive (like a tax on bullets of $.05 ea).
Also some folks are just flat preparing for a possible worst case scenario in this country IF the Feds decided to do a "Gun roundup". I have a sneaking hunch that such an action might not QUITE go as well as planned. :bdid:
This is not true. If we were still in the first couple weeks past Sandy Hook, maybee...But we are 3+ months past it. There has been no ammo or components in any bulk amounts at ANY gunstore, nation wide. So, since thats a fact, how can us "crazy" gun owners be stockpiling it?? Has to come down the pike in large quantities for your statement to be true, and frankly, thats not happening..and what has been becoming available is in such small quantities, and with a limit og one or two boxes per customer...? So either it is being snatched up somewhere, or they have stopped manufacturing of it?? .22lr for example?
Because most of it is being bought up either the MOMENT it hits the shelves...or it never makes it TO the shelves. Kesselrings sold OUT of nearly 500# of powder in a matter of days. They are still getting shipments...but if you are not standing there...its GONE...same with primers. Skagit Arms has a listing of who wants what...every time they get a shipment...they go a bit farther down the list. It still never hits the shelves.
I would say that unless your on the loading dock and see that 500#'s of powder with your own eyes, and not what, I assume, a salesperson says "was" here, but now gone. 5 of the largest suppliers of firearms (RSr, Big Rock, Gunamrama, Lipsey's, and Accusport) Have been out of such large quantities for the last 3 1/2 months. Powder, handguns, and ammo..Thats out of a normal supply of 1500 models each. And direct connections aren't much better. Even Lew horton is not finding much at all. I help supply many of my local LE offices with supplementory ammo, and their primary is having no luck getting rounds to them.. Yeah, I dont wonder, I am pretty confident what is going on here...
I will add that most reloading suppliers may have sold that much powder when this all became apparent things were falling apart. I am talking about the last few months availability
Post by: jyerxa on April 06, 2013, 05:41:13 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 06, 2013, 05:53:42 PM
Post by: mountainman on April 06, 2013, 05:56:46 PM
It is really scary out there right now ....A couple of my good friends had a business in construction like I do , from gutters to roofers and I am barely staying a float ....It is hard to want to spend the money you have right now ....it is not getting any better soon ... those who have a job should be dang thankful because many do not ....WHITE GUYS ANYWAY ... ooops :dunno: :twocents::yeah:
Post by: huntnphool on April 06, 2013, 05:58:02 PM
Seems to me its all part of the big plan. ;)
Post by: christopheri on April 06, 2013, 06:26:50 PM
now read this, it doesn't add up...
DHS Tells Border Patrol They Have Ammo Shortage
Read more: http://MinuteMenNews.com/2013/04/dhs-tells-border-patrol-they-have-ammo-shortage/#ixzz2PjAzbCTV (http://MinuteMenNews.com/2013/04/dhs-tells-border-patrol-they-have-ammo-shortage/#ixzz2PjAzbCTV)
Devert the powder, bullets and primers from public sales we will have little or nothing left to shoot out of OUR firearms. :twocents:
ordering ammo and actually taking delivery are two different things - has anyone come across any articles showing how much DHS has actually taken delivery of in recent months?
this leads me to speculate the panic buying is worse than we thought.
Post by: mazama on April 06, 2013, 08:51:41 PM
Post by: mountainman on April 06, 2013, 10:49:33 PM
Some of you guys don't have a very good memory,when Obama got elected it was about a 2 year shortage i remember Powder valley not accepting any more backorders on primers-they stopped at 50million they stated they were months behind,same thing on this go around, primers on the auction sites hit about $100 at that time bullets and brass were also nonexistant.
Been in this business for quite some time and went thru the first election. And have a keen memory of what it was like. Was one of the few in the state with a some-what steady flow of product. This is different...
Post by: stevemiller on April 06, 2013, 11:06:01 PM
How much of this is in a effort to put small firearms dealers out of business? Shelves are empty so they have little to sell, makes paying the bills very difficult to do.I think its the primer,powder,bullet manufacturers behind it all just jumping on obamas gun grab scare.supply and demand drives prices everytime.do you really believe we had a fuel shortage in the 70's when we have over 10 times as many vehicles on the road now that we had then and they can still keep up?
Seems to me its all part of the big plan. ;)
Post by: madmack76 on April 06, 2013, 11:57:07 PM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on April 07, 2013, 08:49:28 AM
well, being that the first time this happened(in early 2009), all black rifles, 7.62x39, .223, 22LR and pistol ammo became almost tough to find completely due to fear and speculation(and not even proposed regulations), i can buy that it's gonna be a lot more serious this time, with a mass shooting occurring and all kinds of legislation being proposed.Nope, its being snapped up by all the folks who are worried that the Fed.Gov WILL enact some legislation that would make components either illegal or more expensive (like a tax on bullets of $.05 ea).
Also some folks are just flat preparing for a possible worst case scenario in this country IF the Feds decided to do a "Gun roundup". I have a sneaking hunch that such an action might not QUITE go as well as planned. :bdid:
This is not true. If we were still in the first couple weeks past Sandy Hook, maybee...But we are 3+ months past it. There has been no ammo or components in any bulk amounts at ANY gunstore, nation wide. So, since thats a fact, how can us "crazy" gun owners be stockpiling it?? Has to come down the pike in large quantities for your statement to be true, and frankly, thats not happening..and what has been becoming available is in such small quantities, and with a limit og one or two boxes per customer...? So either it is being snatched up somewhere, or they have stopped manufacturing of it?? .22lr for example?
also, last time we didn't have the price gouging we're seeing now. not as many people were buying cases or pallets of ammunition to resell for huge profits. at stores like cabela's, they've put in limits on how many boxes of .22 ammo one can buy and i'm seeing it slowly start to fill up the shelves. it's still moving fast, but more people can get their hands on it, instead of someone catching a new shipment coming in, and buying it all up(a good thing in my book).
the one thing that puzzles me is that shotshells are becoming kind of scarce. last time around it was the only thing in plentiful supply. my guess is that production effort has been diverted to pistol and centerfire ammo lines.
don't forget, it's also tax return season, that extra disposable income could be a factor too.
Post by: TVHunts on April 07, 2013, 11:25:34 AM
DHS is buying all of this ammo or has (who knows what's actually been delivered) and it has put the hurts on supplies to begin with. Then, Sandy Hook hits and everyone, myself included think "oh crap, I better load up" and this is what it creates.
Mountainman is correct in that it was difficult for quite some time after Obozo was elected in round 1 and that this hysteria is similar but much more severe.
Problem for the uncracked nuts in DC is that if civil unrest really does come to fruition who do they think is going to shoot all of the ammo they bought at us civilians? Do you know of a single military service person that agrees with this administration? I don't, I believe they all will be dropping or turning there weapons on the Idiots who think they are in control in DC. Hell, most of our service men and women didn't even get their votes counted this last election.
I have heard that many LE from different agencies state if and when our economy does collapse they will be at their own home protecting their own families, not out fighting for the Lib's. I think DC will be in for a big suprise if it ever happens. Oboza and Ditzy Joe better learn how to use those shotguns real well that they keep advocating!
Myself it means a summer of not shooting much to conserve what I have until things loosen up, if they ever do again. Buy what I can when it's available and stockpile it for the future. At a minimum the prices will be up dramatically from what they were. Most people believe it will be late fall before things start to loosen up if they do. That of course will be the time the Dem's start campaigning again for Mid Term to save their sorry butts from being voted out.
Post by: mountainman on April 07, 2013, 11:34:50 AM
How much of this is in a effort to put small firearms dealers out of business? Shelves are empty so they have little to sell, makes paying the bills very difficult to do.:yeah:
Seems to me its all part of the big plan. ;)
Post by: huntnphool on April 07, 2013, 11:35:40 AM
I think DC will be in for a big suprise if it ever happens. Oboza and Ditzy Joe better learn how to use those shotguns real well that they keep advocatingNo need to worry, Bumbling Biden's double barrel will be emptied into the sky.
Post by: snowpack on April 07, 2013, 11:38:38 AM
During Hurricane Katrina a large portion of the New Orleans PD didn't report for duty. They went to make sure their own families were safe. The safety of the streets for everyone else was a secondary thought.
Problem for the uncracked nuts in DC is that if civil unrest really does come to fruition who do they think is going to shoot all of the ammo they bought at us civilians? Do you know of a single military service person that agrees with this administration? I don't, I believe they all will be dropping or turning there weapons on the Idiots who think they are in control in DC. Hell, most of our service men and women didn't even get their votes counted this last election.
I have heard that many LE from different agencies state if and when our economy does collapse they will be at their own home protecting their own families, not out fighting for the Lib's. I think DC will be in for a big suprise if it ever happens. Oboza and Ditzy Joe better learn how to use those shotguns real well that they keep advocating!
Post by: Jekemi on April 07, 2013, 01:46:51 PM
2. I think that our government is purchasing more ammunition than usual but not a huge amount more. I don't believe the stories about the DHS buying 1.6 billion rounds. There simply isn't a financial paper trail of that level of purchase
3. I don't think we necessarily have an ammunition shortage, we have a customer surplus. People that would never have purchased a gun before are buying a gun. There are lots of reasons for this, most have already been covered in this topic.
4. anytime that people think there is a shortage they buy more than they need. There is good deal of hording going on. There is no way that the people who have been buying large amounts of ammunition will ever use it up, not in their lifetimes. But, when you think that something is in short supply and you think you need it, you buy more than you need.
5. I think we all need to keep a close eye on government purchases of ammunition, it is after all a round about way of gun control. But, I'm not at the paranoia state yet. It's always a good idea for citizens, especially those who believe that our Constitution means something to keep a close eye on our government.
6. the Old Timers that I talk to tell me that they haven't seen this kind of shortage since WW2. That's a little scary.
Post by: huntnphool on April 07, 2013, 02:02:19 PM
2. I think that our government is purchasing more ammunition than usual but not a huge amount more. I don't believe the stories about the DHS buying 1.6 billion rounds. There simply isn't a financial paper trail of that level of purchaseHere is one part of the "paper trail" ;) https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=311eb3ee003671285de8db1036b2b255&tab=core&tabmode=list&= (https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=311eb3ee003671285de8db1036b2b255&tab=core&tabmode=list&=)
Post by: mountainman on April 07, 2013, 04:00:57 PM
:yeah:2. I think that our government is purchasing more ammunition than usual but not a huge amount more. I don't believe the stories about the DHS buying 1.6 billion rounds. There simply isn't a financial paper trail of that level of purchaseHere is one part of the "paper trail" ;) https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=311eb3ee003671285de8db1036b2b255&tab=core&tabmode=list&= (https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=311eb3ee003671285de8db1036b2b255&tab=core&tabmode=list&=)
Post by: TVHunts on April 07, 2013, 04:27:55 PM
1. I'm not into conspiracy theories, it's just too hard for more than a few people to keep the same secret for more than a few days, let alone thousands of people for months and months.
I don't want to believe in the conspiracy theories either but, the evidence of them from this administration is a bit overwhelming. Fast & Furious, Benghazi, seems like the secrets are being kept just fine to me. Where are all the people that were at the Embassy in Benghazi that the SEALS saved? Why haven't they been accessible for interviews as to what really happened? There are no rules for this administration and they will continue to go rogue until they make a mistake large enough that the lib media can't cover it up for them. :twocents:
Post by: AWS on April 08, 2013, 08:51:09 AM
If you look around at the internet retailers you will find that most of the 223, 308, 9mm, and 7.62x39 loading dies are gone too, I'm sure that the government isn't buying reloading dies .
This time the scare has gone viral. everyone that got caught short last time is over stocking now and that will keep going until everyopne has a overstock of ammo and supplies at home. All you have to do is read some of the posts around the internet. "I found 55gr Hornadys at Buck-Mart, they only had 6 boxes so I bought them all" and it goes like that on powder, bullets, primers and ammo. It has gotten so bad that people are starting to stock up on the less common stuff like 270 and 22-250 for fear that they won't be able to get it in the future.
The ammo and bullet companies aren't going to invest in more tooling, because they know that there is a time coming when they won't be able to give away their product because the market is flooded.
Hang in there.
Post by: mountainman on April 08, 2013, 09:15:32 AM
No I do not think the government is buying up all the ammo.
If you look around at the internet retailers you will find that most of the 223, 308, 9mm, and 7.62x39 loading dies are gone too, I'm sure that the government isn't buying reloading dies .
This time the scare has gone viral. everyone that got caught short last time is over stocking now and that will keep going until everyopne has a overstock of ammo and supplies at home. All you have to do is read some of the posts around the internet. "I found 55gr Hornadys at Buck-Mart, they only had 6 boxes so I bought them all" and it goes like that on powder, bullets, primers and ammo. It has gotten so bad that people are starting to stock up on the less common stuff like 270 and 22-250 for fear that they won't be able to get it in the future.
The ammo and bullet companies aren't going to invest in more tooling, because they know that there is a time coming when they won't be able to give away their product because the market is flooded.
Hang in there.
And all bulk .22lr has been going where the last 3-4 months, since no volume has been hitting the retailers??. more then a few boxes per week? :dunno:
Post by: shadowless_nite on April 09, 2013, 01:13:15 PM
No I do not think the government is buying up all the ammo.
If you look around at the internet retailers you will find that most of the 223, 308, 9mm, and 7.62x39 loading dies are gone too, I'm sure that the government isn't buying reloading dies .
This time the scare has gone viral. everyone that got caught short last time is over stocking now and that will keep going until everyopne has a overstock of ammo and supplies at home. All you have to do is read some of the posts around the internet. "I found 55gr Hornadys at Buck-Mart, they only had 6 boxes so I bought them all" and it goes like that on powder, bullets, primers and ammo. It has gotten so bad that people are starting to stock up on the less common stuff like 270 and 22-250 for fear that they won't be able to get it in the future.
The ammo and bullet companies aren't going to invest in more tooling, because they know that there is a time coming when they won't be able to give away their product because the market is flooded.
Hang in there.
And all bulk .22lr has been going where the last 3-4 months, since no volume has been hitting the retailers??. more then a few boxes per week? :dunno:
I think that 22lr bulk went to the same place the Ruger 10/22's went. I never seen the Gov. using those for anything. They disappeared for a short while as well and according the Ruger they were severely back ordered for everything (not just 22s) after the new year. 22lr I think is the best example of the mass hysteria of things. I remember trying to get it the first Obama round and it being scarce. But not to this extent of price gouging and not being able to back order.
Statistically its not fair to compare this scare to the previous round. The digital era has come a long way since then and the rate of information being streamed into everyone's "smart" this or that gets word traveling faster. The expanse of online buying is more severe than falling in line in a store and online purchasing as thrown many store fronts packing since 4 years ago regardless of what the retail product was. People are no more able to buy up large quantities and with programs like gunbot.net they can see it all at a real time glance and watch things disappear just as fast when they refresh the page and hit checkout as they do when they watch the guy in front of them in line buy the last box of 22lr. One cant simply assume all 22lr has to has to hit shelves to be sold. Technology hasn't helped in this crisis and with the rise of social media the last few years, hysteria has only gotten all but out of control.
In a more plain statement, Im on the band wagon with people panicking.
Post by: bobcat on April 09, 2013, 01:21:51 PM
Post by: headshot5 on April 09, 2013, 01:31:54 PM
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I'm looking forward to the garage sales, moving sales, and estate sales in the near future where surely there will be large quantities of ammunition and reloading supplies for sale at dirt cheap prices.
Yep, should be a pretty good market for used guns as well.
Post by: huntnphool on April 09, 2013, 01:57:42 PM
I'm looking forward to the garage sales, moving sales, and estate sales in the near future where surely there will be large quantities of ammunition and reloading supplies for sale at dirt cheap prices. :tup:how many .270 rounds do you need? :rolleyes:
Post by: bobcat on April 09, 2013, 02:05:39 PM
I'm looking forward to the garage sales, moving sales, and estate sales in the near future where surely there will be large quantities of ammunition and reloading supplies for sale at dirt cheap prices. :tup:how many .270 rounds do you need? :rolleyes:
Not in need of 270 ammo, but could use some Barnes bullets and another pound or two of H4831. I've got a lifetime supply of 270 brass.
What I'm really short on is 22 long rifle, 243 Winchester, 223 WSSM, and 9mm.
Got any to spare?
Post by: huntnphool on April 09, 2013, 02:08:12 PM
Just flippin ya chit. ;) PM sentI'm looking forward to the garage sales, moving sales, and estate sales in the near future where surely there will be large quantities of ammunition and reloading supplies for sale at dirt cheap prices. :tup:how many .270 rounds do you need? :rolleyes:
Not in need of 270 ammo, but could use some Barnes bullets and another pound or two of H4831. I've got a lifetime supply of 270 brass.
What I'm really short on is 22 long rifle, 243 Winchester, 223 WSSM, and 9mm.
Got any to spare?
Post by: iusmc2002 on April 09, 2013, 07:01:01 PM
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Post by: Curly on April 13, 2013, 01:57:55 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 13, 2013, 02:05:06 PM
Who would have thought it would have been better to stock up on 22LR ammo instead of adding a little extra money in the 401K. :dunno::hello: ATK, OLN ;)
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 13, 2013, 02:21:29 PM
Who would have thought it would have been better to stock up on 22LR ammo instead of adding a little extra money in the 401K. :dunno::dunno: :dunno: :chuckle: