Do you think the government is buying all the powder and bullets ?

[mountainman]

Nope, its being snapped up by all the folks who are worried that the Fed.Gov WILL enact some legislation that would make components either illegal or more expensive (like a tax on bullets of $.05 ea).

Also some folks are just flat preparing for a possible worst case scenario in this country IF the Feds decided to do a "Gun roundup".  I have a sneaking hunch that such an action might not QUITE go as well as planned. 

This is not true. If we were still in the first couple weeks past Sandy Hook, maybee...But we are 3+ months past it. There has been no ammo or components in any bulk amounts at ANY gunstore, nation wide. So, since thats a fact, how can us "crazy" gun owners be stockpiling it?? Has to come down the pike in large quantities for your statement to be true, and frankly, thats not happening..and what has been becoming available is in such small quantities, and with a limit og one or two boxes per customer...? So either it is being snatched up somewhere, or they have stopped manufacturing of it?? .22lr for example?

[bearpaw]

I never seen shelves so bare in my life when it comes to bullets and reloading supplies ...mainly pwder bullets and primers ...hell I can not even find the primers I like ,,, CCI 200 ... I have about 300 left ...thank goodness 

If you need primers stop at Big R and Clarks Allsport in Colville when you come over turkey hunting, they had primers last time I was in there and have been getting shipments fairly often. I could even pick you up some if needed.

They have any powder ...Imr 4350 0r Imr 4831 ?  If they are CCI 200 primers I may have you do that ....thanks for the offer 

I will call and ask, how many of each do you want if they have it?

pm if you want...

[BOWHUNTER45]

I never seen shelves so bare in my life when it comes to bullets and reloading supplies ...mainly pwder bullets and primers ...hell I can not even find the primers I like ,,, CCI 200 ... I have about 300 left ...thank goodness 

If you need primers stop at Big R and Clarks Allsport in Colville when you come over turkey hunting, they had primers last time I was in there and have been getting shipments fairly often. I could even pick you up some if needed.

They have any powder ...Imr 4350 0r Imr 4831 ?  If they are CCI 200 primers I may have you do that ....thanks for the offer 

I will call and ask, how many of each do you want if they have it?

pm if you want...

10-4

[bearpaw]

How about retumbo?
Saw lots of imr but that was in Montana @ sportsmans

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If you are talking to me they had Retumbo the other day in Colville. You might also check with mountainman on here, they carry reloading supplies, he might be able to mail it if he has it.

[BOWHUNTER45]

I am telling you I started looking for powder right before Christmas ...and I know all the places to get it around my area but they have all told me the samething over and over ...I do have a pound of each at this time and 1lb of 4064  ...I will be fine for now ...since I do not shoot as much as I did 20 yrs ago  but I want to be sure I have enough sheet loaded for the boys to have before it cost a $100 a box 

[rb2506]

Yeah, thanks bearpaw

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[Austrian Hunter]

Something is just not right here..... read below. 

The solicitation asks for 10 million pistol cartridge .40 caliber 165 Grain, jacketed Hollow point bullets (100 quantities of 100,000 rounds) and
10 million 9mm 115 grain jacketed hollow point bullets (100 quantities of 100,000 rounds).
The document also lists a requirement for
1.6 million pistol cartridge 9mm ball bullets (40 quantities of 40,000 rounds).
An approximation of how many rounds of ammunition the DHS has now secured over the last 10 months stands at around 1.625 billion!!!.
In March 2012, ATK announced that they had agreed to provide the DHS with a maximum of 450 million bullets over four years, a story that prompted questions about why the feds were buying ammunition in such large quantities.

To put that in perspective, during the height of active battle operations in Iraq, US soldiers used 5.5 million rounds of ammunition a month. Extrapolating the figures, the DHS has purchased enough bullets over the last 10 months to wage a full scale war for almost 30 years.
Such massive quantities of ammo purchases have stoked fears that
the agency is preparing for some kind of domestic unrest. In 2011, Department of Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano directed Immigration and Customs Enforcement to prepare for a mass influx of immigrants into the United States, calling for the plan to deal with the "shelter" and "processing" of large numbers of people.
The federal agency's primary concern is now centered around thwarting "
homegrown terrorism," but information produced and used by the DHS to train its personnel routinely equates conservative political ideology with domestic extremism.
A study funded by the Department of Homeland Security that was leaked last year characterizes Americans who are "suspicious of centralized federal authority," and "reverent of individual liberty" as "extreme right-wing" terrorists.

In August 2012, the DHS censored information relating to the amount of bullets purchased by the federal agency on behalf of Immigration & Customs Enforcement, citing an "unusual and compelling urgency" to acquire the bullets, noting that there is a shortage of bullets which is threatening a situation that could cause "substantial safety issues for the government" should law enforcement officials not be adequately armed.

As we highlighted last month, the DHS' previous ammunition solicitation was awarded to Evian Group, an organization that was formed just five days before the announcement of the solicitation
and appeared to be little more than a front organization since it didn't have a genuine physical address, a website, or even a phone number.

While Americans are being browbeaten with rhetoric about the necessity to give up semi-automatic firearms in the name of preventing school shootings, the federal government is arming itself to the teeth with both ammunition and guns. Last September, the DHS purchased no less than 7,000 fully automatic assault rifles, labeling them "Personal Defense Weapons."

[bearpaw]

now read this, it doesn't add up...


DHS Tells Border Patrol They Have Ammo Shortage

Read more: http://MinuteMenNews.com/2013/04/dhs-tells-border-patrol-they-have-ammo-shortage/#ixzz2PjAzbCTV

[snowpack]

I've read that it is more than likely the manufacturers.  They try to fill the orders for ammo first and use the components for assembly of ammunition.  Typically the profit is higher for complete ammo.  They can direct the use of resources for the bulk components first and then when time allows fill the stocks of specialty items.  Most of the formulas for powder are similar, so it makes more business sense to have the labor and machinery cranking out a powder that is suitable for 855 5.56 more so than to keep filling tubs of retumbo.  The primer mixture I believe is identical for all the different versions, so they just produce more and more small rifle primers at the expense of large magnum primers.  Primers tend to void the reloading market first. 

[KFhunter]

now read this, it doesn't add up...


DHS Tells Border Patrol They Have Ammo Shortage

Read more: http://MinuteMenNews.com/2013/04/dhs-tells-border-patrol-they-have-ammo-shortage/#ixzz2PjAzbCTV

ordering ammo and actually taking delivery are two different things - has anyone come across any articles showing how much DHS has actually taken delivery of in recent months?

this leads me to speculate the panic buying is worse than we thought.   

[BOWHUNTER45]

now read this, it doesn't add up...


DHS Tells Border Patrol They Have Ammo Shortage

Read more: http://MinuteMenNews.com/2013/04/dhs-tells-border-patrol-they-have-ammo-shortage/#ixzz2PjAzbCTV

unfortunatly a guy needs to watch what he says about his president ...So I rest my case 

[woodswalker]

Nope, its being snapped up by all the folks who are worried that the Fed.Gov WILL enact some legislation that would make components either illegal or more expensive (like a tax on bullets of $.05 ea).

Also some folks are just flat preparing for a possible worst case scenario in this country IF the Feds decided to do a "Gun roundup".  I have a sneaking hunch that such an action might not QUITE go as well as planned. 

This is not true. If we were still in the first couple weeks past Sandy Hook, maybee...But we are 3+ months past it. There has been no ammo or components in any bulk amounts at ANY gunstore, nation wide. So, since thats a fact, how can us "crazy" gun owners be stockpiling it?? Has to come down the pike in large quantities for your statement to be true, and frankly, thats not happening..and what has been becoming available is in such small quantities, and with a limit og one or two boxes per customer...? So either it is being snatched up somewhere, or they have stopped manufacturing of it?? .22lr for example?

Because most of it is being bought up either the MOMENT it hits the shelves...or it never makes it TO the shelves.  Kesselrings sold OUT of nearly 500# of powder in a matter of days.  They are still getting shipments...but if you are not standing there...its GONE...same with primers.  Skagit Arms has a listing of who wants what...every time they get a shipment...they go a bit farther down the list.  It still never hits the shelves.

[mountainman]

Nope, its being snapped up by all the folks who are worried that the Fed.Gov WILL enact some legislation that would make components either illegal or more expensive (like a tax on bullets of $.05 ea).

Also some folks are just flat preparing for a possible worst case scenario in this country IF the Feds decided to do a "Gun roundup".  I have a sneaking hunch that such an action might not QUITE go as well as planned. 

This is not true. If we were still in the first couple weeks past Sandy Hook, maybee...But we are 3+ months past it. There has been no ammo or components in any bulk amounts at ANY gunstore, nation wide. So, since thats a fact, how can us "crazy" gun owners be stockpiling it?? Has to come down the pike in large quantities for your statement to be true, and frankly, thats not happening..and what has been becoming available is in such small quantities, and with a limit og one or two boxes per customer...? So either it is being snatched up somewhere, or they have stopped manufacturing of it?? .22lr for example?

Because most of it is being bought up either the MOMENT it hits the shelves...or it never makes it TO the shelves.  Kesselrings sold OUT of nearly 500# of powder in a matter of days.  They are still getting shipments...but if you are not standing there...its GONE...same with primers.  Skagit Arms has a listing of who wants what...every time they get a shipment...they go a bit farther down the list.  It still never hits the shelves.

I would say that unless your on the loading dock and see that 500#'s of powder with your own eyes, and not what, I assume, a salesperson says "was" here, but now gone. 5 of the largest suppliers of firearms (RSr, Big Rock, Gunamrama, Lipsey's, and Accusport) Have been out of such large quantities for the last 3 1/2 months. Powder, handguns, and ammo..Thats out of a normal supply of 1500 models each. And direct connections aren't much better. Even Lew horton is not finding much at all.  I help supply many of my local LE offices with supplementory ammo, and their primary is having no luck getting rounds to them.. Yeah, I dont wonder, I am pretty confident what is going on here...

I will add that most reloading suppliers may have sold that much powder when this all became apparent things were falling apart. I am talking about the last few months availability

[jyerxa]

Just a no brainer, well maybe it is a big deal to a liberal. But ah we have an economy crises going on right now. Buy up all the recreational fun the people have left to do is a top priority? We have flogged this dead horse over and over. This sure ain't America anymore. 

[BOWHUNTER45]

It is really scary out there right now ....A couple of my good friends had a business in construction like I do , from gutters to roofers and I am barely staying a float ....It is hard to want to spend the money you have right now ....it is not getting any better soon ... those who have a job should be dang thankful because many do not ....WHITE GUYS ANYWAY ... ooops