Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 09, 2013, 09:53:31 AM
Post by: h20hunter on April 09, 2013, 09:56:00 AM
Post by: NWBREW on April 09, 2013, 09:59:41 AM
Post by: bigtex on April 09, 2013, 10:10:24 AM
Post by: Curly on April 09, 2013, 10:13:14 AM
Post by: snowpack on April 09, 2013, 10:14:01 AM
Post by: bigtex on April 09, 2013, 10:14:26 AM
Oh, so he didn't get the max fine? What was the purpose of the hearing? :dunno:
Sounds like it was just an arraignment.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 09, 2013, 10:22:51 AM
Yeah thats the legal word :chuckle: I not starting drama ...I am not afraid to talk about stuff like this ...I call it all BS ...Yeah I know I can not reflect on the day my boys were fishing there was 5 nets strung across the river killing everything that swims by ..So I guess I should just hide in the corner and not fight back ...well we all know thats not happening here ...Yeah I am sure if we decide to represent ourselves I will get stuck paying $500 ...But what peeses me off is now I am hearing something about no punch card ... :bdid: Never heard of this until today AND I JUST SENT ALL 3 PUNCH OFF THEY REQUEST WE DO !!! Now I do not have that to show the dang judge :bash: :bash: I am not saying he done right or wrong but I am not buying their crap !!!! :sry:Oh, so he didn't get the max fine? What was the purpose of the hearing? :dunno:
Sounds like it was just an arraignment.
Post by: Curly on April 09, 2013, 10:24:38 AM
Oh, so he didn't get the max fine? What was the purpose of the hearing? :dunno:
Sounds like it was just an arraignment.
So, does he have to go to court again in the future? Seems like a big waste of everyone's time (including the judge) instead of simply writing him a ticket and having him send in a check to cover a fine (unless he wants to contest it in court).
Post by: h20hunter on April 09, 2013, 10:27:00 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 09, 2013, 10:28:39 AM
Yes we do on the 23rd...and it could go on and on if I keep jurking the string .... GOT TO GET TO WORK ....THEY ARE COSTING ME MONEY AGAIN :dunno: :oOh, so he didn't get the max fine? What was the purpose of the hearing? :dunno:
Sounds like it was just an arraignment.
So, does he have to go to court again in the future? Seems like a big waste of everyone's time (including the judge) instead of simply writing him a ticket and having him send in a check to cover a fine (unless he wants to contest it in court).
Post by: huntrights on April 09, 2013, 11:11:19 AM
just need some legal advice and where to take it from here ....Just send me a PM .... THANKS ( 90 days in jail or 1000dollar fine for a juvenile holding a fish out of the water ) Whatever !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Holding a fish out of water". What 's that about? I'm just curious about what law was violated.
Post by: Goldeneye on April 09, 2013, 11:17:22 AM
Direct quote from the Regs:
SALMON and TROUT HANDLING RULES
FRESHWATER: “It is unlawful to totally remove salmon, steelhead, or Dolly Varden/Bull Trout from the water if it is unlawful to
retain those fish, or if the angler subsequently releases the salmon, steelhead, Dolly Varden/Bull Trout.”
MARINE AREAS 5 through 13: “It is unlawful to bring wild salmon or a species of salmon aboard a vessel if it is unlawful to
retain that salmon” (“aboard” means inside the gunwale of a vessel).
MARINE AREA 2-2: “It is unlawful to totally remove salmon from the water if it is illegal to retain those fish, except anglers fishing
from boats 30 feet or longer as listed on either their state or Coast Guard registration, are exempt.”
Post by: Skillet on April 09, 2013, 11:34:17 AM
Good luck, man.
Post by: WSU on April 09, 2013, 11:50:44 AM
Post by: huntnphool on April 09, 2013, 12:16:40 PM
Really sad that holding a fish out of water has a penalty that could include 1/4 of a year in jail. Meanwhile, tweekers and burglars roam the streets with their 2 years probation as a 'tough sentence'.There is obviously more to this than holding a fish out of the water for a photo! ;)
Post by: Holg3107 on April 09, 2013, 12:21:04 PM
Post by: bearpaw on April 09, 2013, 02:34:33 PM
Really sad that holding a fish out of water has a penalty that could include 1/4 of a year in jail. Meanwhile, tweekers and burglars roam the streets with their 2 years probation as a 'tough sentence'.
:yeah: I understand protecting the steelhead, but it seems very excessive for a first offense by a kid, if their was a history of the same offense I could see after 3 times you pay big time. I doubt the kid even knew that it was illegal or he wouldn't have facebooked it. This is a good example of unrealistic laws.
Post by: Smossy on April 09, 2013, 02:39:34 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 09, 2013, 03:05:43 PM
Really sad that holding a fish out of water has a penalty that could include 1/4 of a year in jail. Meanwhile, tweekers and burglars roam the streets with their 2 years probation as a 'tough sentence'.There is obviously more to this than holding a fish out of the water for a photo! ;)
:iamwithstupid:
Post by: snowpack on April 09, 2013, 03:11:35 PM
My comment isn't just directed at this specific case, but also at the WAC and the penalties under the RCWs. Again, we are at a point in society when it is possible/acceptable to be jailed for 90 days for holding a fish out of the water.Really sad that holding a fish out of water has a penalty that could include 1/4 of a year in jail. Meanwhile, tweekers and burglars roam the streets with their 2 years probation as a 'tough sentence'.There is obviously more to this than holding a fish out of the water for a photo! ;)
:iamwithstupid:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on April 09, 2013, 03:18:16 PM
My comment isn't just directed at this specific case, but also at the WAC and the penalties under the RCWs. Again, we are at a point in society when it is possible/acceptable to be jailed for 90 days for holding a fish out of the water.Really sad that holding a fish out of water has a penalty that could include 1/4 of a year in jail. Meanwhile, tweekers and burglars roam the streets with their 2 years probation as a 'tough sentence'.There is obviously more to this than holding a fish out of the water for a photo! ;)
:iamwithstupid:
Unbelievable isn't it?
Post by: JLS on April 09, 2013, 03:22:33 PM
If my kid was in trouble with the law, I don't think I would solicit an attorney off the internet.
Post by: snowpack on April 09, 2013, 03:23:36 PM
Unbelievable isn't it?And not to thread drift too much, but there's a case in Florida where a guy released some helium balloons on Valentine's Day for his girlfriend and is being charged with a felony and could face up to five years, due to some environmental laws.
Post by: JLS on April 09, 2013, 03:31:14 PM
Really sad that holding a fish out of water has a penalty that could include 1/4 of a year in jail. Meanwhile, tweekers and burglars roam the streets with their 2 years probation as a 'tough sentence'.
:yeah: I understand protecting the steelhead, but it seems very excessive for a first offense by a kid, if their was a history of the same offense I could see after 3 times you pay big time. I doubt the kid even knew that it was illegal or he wouldn't have facebooked it. This is a good example of unrealistic laws.
All the judge was doing was advising of the maximum penalty that could be faced. Makes no difference age, how many offenses, existing knowledge, etc.
A misdemeanor is a misdemeanor and the penalty range is the same for all.
Post by: Special T on April 09, 2013, 03:34:43 PM
FYI it seems that you fall into a special place with law enforcement. I have known a few people that have suffered what you are going through. As long as you make waves and call attention to yourself they will pay extra attention to you and your family. Not saying its right, but if you don't want extra drama don't make any additional drama. :twocents:
Post by: jackelope on April 09, 2013, 03:40:10 PM
FYI it seems that you fall into a special place with law enforcement. I have known a few people that have suffered what you are going through. As long as you make waves and call attention to yourself they will pay extra attention to you and your family. Not saying its right, but if you don't want extra drama don't make any additional drama. :twocents:
Most logical post in this thread.
Post by: rtspring on April 09, 2013, 04:01:38 PM
FYI it seems that you fall into a special place with law enforcement. I have known a few people that have suffered what you are going through. As long as you make waves and call attention to yourself they will pay extra attention to you and your family. Not saying its right, but if you don't want extra drama don't make any additional drama. :twocents:
Most logical post in this thread.
I beg to differ! To many people back down when pushed into a corner! I commend you for standing up for what you believe in.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 09, 2013, 04:06:35 PM
I am pretty tired of hearing this crap ..maybe you 2 might want to come over here on the 23rd and go to court with me and ted so you can come back here and let everyone BH45 is not full of sheet ...hell I will even give you gas money :dunno: ;) I can post at least 3 pictures of people who work for the dept ..HOLDING WILD STEELHEAD OUT OF THE WATER DOWN SOUTH ...Does this make it right to make a law and because your working for the dept makes it o.k for you to hold steelhead out of the water and then mention you caught it on a plug ! WTH I am not buying there BS !!!!!!!!!Really sad that holding a fish out of water has a penalty that could include 1/4 of a year in jail. Meanwhile, tweekers and burglars roam the streets with their 2 years probation as a 'tough sentence'.There is obviously more to this than holding a fish out of the water for a photo! ;)
:iamwithstupid:
Post by: hughjorgan on April 09, 2013, 04:14:28 PM
FYI it seems that you fall into a special place with law enforcement. I have known a few people that have suffered what you are going through. As long as you make waves and call attention to yourself they will pay extra attention to you and your family. Not saying its right, but if you don't want extra drama don't make any additional drama. :twocents:
Most logical post in this thread.
I beg to differ! To many people back down when pushed into a corner! I commend you for standing up for what you believe in.
Worked really well for you didn't RT.
You guys are just adding insult to injury by publicizing your cases on a forum like this.
The WDFW is :peep:
Post by: rtspring on April 09, 2013, 04:17:35 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 09, 2013, 04:32:45 PM
I am pretty tired of hearing this crap ..maybe you 2 might want to come over here on the 23rd and go to court with me and ted so you can come back here and let everyone BH45 is not full of sheet ...hell I will even give you gas money :dunno: ;) I can post at least 3 pictures of people who work for the dept ..HOLDING WILD STEELHEAD OUT OF THE WATER DOWN SOUTH ...Does this make it right to make a law and because your working for the dept makes it o.k for you to hold steelhead out of the water and then mention you caught it on a plug ! WTH I am not buying there BS !!!!!!!!!Really sad that holding a fish out of water has a penalty that could include 1/4 of a year in jail. Meanwhile, tweekers and burglars roam the streets with their 2 years probation as a 'tough sentence'.There is obviously more to this than holding a fish out of the water for a photo! ;)
:iamwithstupid:
If I'm mistaken, correct me. Didn't they only give your boy 1 ticket instead of a few? In other words didn't they let him off easy? I thought I remembered you posting that.
Post by: jackelope on April 09, 2013, 04:45:24 PM
FYI it seems that you fall into a special place with law enforcement. I have known a few people that have suffered what you are going through. As long as you make waves and call attention to yourself they will pay extra attention to you and your family. Not saying its right, but if you don't want extra drama don't make any additional drama. :twocents:
Most logical post in this thread.
I beg to differ! To many people back down when pushed into a corner! I commend you for standing up for what you believe in.
BH45 admitted to all of us that the internet was causing him too much trouble and that he needed to take a time out. He was going to quit posting for a while. He started a whole thread and everything saying how he was going to try and stay away.
Post by: rtspring on April 09, 2013, 04:49:49 PM
Post by: Kola16 on April 09, 2013, 05:07:39 PM
Really sad that holding a fish out of water has a penalty that could include 1/4 of a year in jail. Meanwhile, tweekers and burglars roam the streets with their 2 years probation as a 'tough sentence'.There is obviously more to this than holding a fish out of the water for a photo! ;)
:yeah:You guys are pathetic. You guys know nothing about this, and you are posting stuff like this.... :bdid:
Post by: jackelope on April 09, 2013, 05:12:38 PM
Really sad that holding a fish out of water has a penalty that could include 1/4 of a year in jail. Meanwhile, tweekers and burglars roam the streets with their 2 years probation as a 'tough sentence'.There is obviously more to this than holding a fish out of the water for a photo! ;):yeah:You guys are pathetic. You guys know nothing about this, and you are posting stuff like this.... :bdid:
I don't know who you're calling pathetic or why, but in case you missed it, BH45 has posted the whole story multiple times on here. I can get links if you need. All of the stories were posted, to his credit, for everyone to see.
Post by: Kola16 on April 09, 2013, 05:20:45 PM
I have read every story BH45 has posted. There is a possibility that there is more behind this, but to say there IS more that BH45/his son did (calling BH45 a lier) when they do not know the story is stupid.Really sad that holding a fish out of water has a penalty that could include 1/4 of a year in jail. Meanwhile, tweekers and burglars roam the streets with their 2 years probation as a 'tough sentence'.There is obviously more to this than holding a fish out of the water for a photo! ;):yeah:You guys are pathetic. You guys know nothing about this, and you are posting stuff like this.... :bdid:
I don't know who you're calling pathetic or why, but in case you missed it, BH45 has posted the whole story multiple times on here. I can get links if you need. All of the stories were posted, to his credit, for everyone to see.
Post by: Special T on April 09, 2013, 06:09:04 PM
Post by: NWBREW on April 09, 2013, 06:20:37 PM
I would suggest calling an attorney yourself. One call can be made in a matter of minutes verses days or weeks of a thread with a bunch of drama or who knows what.
*See reply #3*. Just call an attorney....get it over with.
Post by: huntnphool on April 09, 2013, 06:46:52 PM
Whats stupid is making a comment like this and assuming that nobody else knows more to the story. :twocents:I have read every story BH45 has posted. There is a possibility that there is more behind this, but to say there IS more that BH45/his son did (calling BH45 a lier) when they do not know the story is stupid.Really sad that holding a fish out of water has a penalty that could include 1/4 of a year in jail. Meanwhile, tweekers and burglars roam the streets with their 2 years probation as a 'tough sentence'.There is obviously more to this than holding a fish out of the water for a photo! ;):yeah:You guys are pathetic. You guys know nothing about this, and you are posting stuff like this.... :bdid:
I don't know who you're calling pathetic or why, but in case you missed it, BH45 has posted the whole story multiple times on here. I can get links if you need. All of the stories were posted, to his credit, for everyone to see.
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 09, 2013, 07:21:49 PM
1) The law, to some degree. But it is a law whether we like it or not.
2) A kid making a somewhat unknowing mistake by gift wrapping the evidence of a law breaking incident courtesy of social networking.
3) The WDFW utilizing said social networking to generate revenue.
4) BH45's wandering into WDFW's watch list just often enough to be "watched".
5) BH45 starting the prior thread pointing even more attention to this incident of his kid.
6) BH45 starting this thread looking to lawyer up.
7) That the WDFW probably has knowledge of #5 and #6 since they lurk around here. Given your past "relationships" with the WDFW, they want your kid as a trophy on their wall, at your expense and anguish.
BH45, my unprofessional advice to you is to go clam on this. Ask that this thread be deleted. Try to find an attorney in the greater Mount Vernon area, via networking other than the internet. Get a consult from said attorney and move on based on that legal advice.
AND QUIT POSTING ABOUT YOUR WDFW LEGAL ISSUES, FOREVER MOVING FORWARD. YOU ARE ONLY FUELING THEIR CASE BY OPENING YOUR YAP.
And I mean this in the nicest way possible BH. I think your kid is getting railroaded for a BS situation. My gawd, he's just a kid. Slap on the hand and move on should have been the result of this.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 09, 2013, 07:33:29 PM
Post by: csaaphill on April 10, 2013, 12:15:46 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 10, 2013, 05:45:37 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 10, 2013, 06:13:58 AM
Post by: Kola16 on April 10, 2013, 12:45:27 PM
Well let's hear it if you know so much.......Whats stupid is making a comment like this and assuming that nobody else knows more to the story. :twocents:I have read every story BH45 has posted. There is a possibility that there is more behind this, but to say there IS more that BH45/his son did (calling BH45 a lier) when they do not know the story is stupid.Really sad that holding a fish out of water has a penalty that could include 1/4 of a year in jail. Meanwhile, tweekers and burglars roam the streets with their 2 years probation as a 'tough sentence'.There is obviously more to this than holding a fish out of the water for a photo! ;):yeah:You guys are pathetic. You guys know nothing about this, and you are posting stuff like this.... :bdid:
I don't know who you're calling pathetic or why, but in case you missed it, BH45 has posted the whole story multiple times on here. I can get links if you need. All of the stories were posted, to his credit, for everyone to see.
Post by: bigtex on April 10, 2013, 01:01:02 PM
I believe that the 90 days 1k fine is the standard MAXIMUM penalty for a misdemeanor. :twocents: They don't want anyone in jail that they don't have to put there. BTW the only thing the Skagit jail is currently taking are felons, DUI or Underinfluence druggies... It is quite likely that a $2-300 tax will be imposed on your kid.
:yeah:
This is exactly correct. The judge is required to tell you what you are facing. If you get busted for no fishing license the judge will say the exact same thing, doesn't mean you are getting anything close to that. If you get busted for underage drinking the judge has to say $5K and 364 days in jail, because that is the max.
Post by: TheHunt on April 10, 2013, 01:54:47 PM
This thread makes me pay even more attention to the details when out fishing or hunting so I am not on the wrong side of the law.