Post by: csaaphill on April 09, 2013, 11:53:31 PM
Manasquan, NJ --(Ammoland.com)- Remember all those who denied that firearms confiscation as a result of New York’s new gun laws was too “insane” to even consider?
That it was strictly in the realm of paranoid conspiracy theorists and the “it cant happen here crowd”?
Those were and remain some of the standard replies to anyone who even thought about the possibility, let alone gave voice to it, despite the fact that Gov Cuomo and numerous other officials made public comments about such a plan, as I discussed in my article “Feinstein & Cuomo Admit Planning Australian Style Government Gun Buy Back” .
Elected Officials, the media, various Gun Control Groups and their zealous forced disarmament supporters, even some firearms owners themselves all insisted it was to crazy to even consider.
There’s just one huge problem it is happening now in New York State!
It seems those that tried desperately to warn of such an insidious plot had hit the bullseye with their warnings after all. News came from multiple NY State based firearms enthusiast websites late Friday that confiscations of Pistol Owner ID Cards, as well as firearms and accessories has commenced in NY under the provisions of the horribly flawed, draconian and blatantly unconstitutional NY SAFE Act.
Those folks having their weapons and FID cards confiscated have been discovered to have been prescribed multiple different types of psychotropic drugs, such as those for Depression or Anxiety. These are known as SSRI ( Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) class drugs and have the potential to cause serious and adverse side effects, something I wrote about extensively last week in an article that went viral in days and caused multiple Anti Gun and Progressive News Groups to initiate a concentrated denial of service hacker attack against Ammoland Shooting Sports News (see Daily KOS ” Keeping Track Of The RKBA Crowd” http://tiny.cc/ug67uw (http://tiny.cc/ug67uw)), in an effort to keep the information from the public.
From NY http://tiny.cc/nyfirearms (http://tiny.cc/nyfirearms)
“John Doe, an upstanding professional with no outstanding criminal convictions and no history of violent action received a letter from the Pistol Permit Department informing him that his license was immediately revoked upon information that he was seeing a therapist for anxiety and had been prescribed an anxiety drug. He was never suicidal, never violent, and has no criminal history. The New York State Department of Health is apparently conducting a search of medical records to determine who is being treated for anxiety drugs and using this as a basis for handgun license revocation.
Those are the facts. Nothing more, nothing less.
Now, before anyone trots out the old saw about how this is nothing more then a paranoid, unsubstantiated rumor on a “gun nuts” internet forum. I spoke to the Attorney of Record in this matter on the phone this morning and he confirmed that the above snippet is accurate and these cases are happening!
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James Tresmond Esq confirmed in our conversation that the above mentioned case is occurring in Erie County NY, it is his client that has been effected, and as yet unknown sources have seen fit to take it upon themselves to share confidential medical records with NY State Officials without authorization, a massive HIPPA violation.
It seems these supposedly confidential records are then compared against a list of known NY pistol license holders and letters are sent out demanding their Pistol Owner ID Cards be surrendered, as well as any firearms and accessories.
Here is a link to the Attorney of Record on this case, Jim Tresmond, giving a radio interview on the Tom Bauerle Show on WBEN 930AM/107.7 FM:
http://www.wben.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=6319907 (http://www.wben.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=6319907)
This is an unprecedented violation of a Citizens 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendment RIGHTS, brought to fruition by power and control hungry tyrants holding elected office who swore an Oath to uphold and defend the very rights they are now actively stripping from their constituents.
Moreover, the confiscation efforts underway in NY State have had another, albeit unintended effect. By undertaking this course of action, those in power have inadvertently pulled back the curtain on something they have suppressed from the Citizens for far to long, leaving them with precious little wiggle room to explain away their actions.
•Either they are acknowledging that there is in fact some sort of little reported link between the prescribing of psychotropic drugs and violent behavior, thus they are somehow, at least in their own minds “justified” in their actions to preempt someone from violence.
•Or, this is nothing more then a backdoor confiscation effort and massive abuse of governmental power unleashed on innocent Citizens.
Those are the only two possible explanations.
If anyone still feels some level of doubt regarding the veracity of this story, Attorney Tresmond welcomes anyone to visit his website tresmondlaw.com, Facebook page ( https://www.facebook.com/james.tresmond.7 (https://www.facebook.com/james.tresmond.7) ), or send an email to TresmondLaw@gmail.com.
Mr Tresmond asks that those making inquiries be mindful and respectful of the fact that they have been deluged with inquiries in recent days and therefore a personal reply may be delayed or impossible due to the volume.
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Post by: csaaphill on April 10, 2013, 01:23:23 AM
Post by: Atroxus on April 10, 2013, 09:30:26 AM
I am skeptical that we are hearing all of the facts though. So far the only information I can find is regarding the same single victim and his lawyer. I would think if this is being done on a large scale there would be a lot more people coming forward about it. :dunno:
Post by: csaaphill on April 11, 2013, 01:49:40 AM
a general search will find several stories on it. The blaze as well.
Post by: Atroxus on April 11, 2013, 09:34:42 AM
It is it's all over Patriot sites might even check snopes too I'm sure they should have it as well.
a general search will find several stories on it. The blaze as well.
That is why I am concerned. I can *only* find it on very right leaning sites. All of which seem to be claiming, or at least implying that guns are being confiscated en mass in New York; yet none of them mention any victims except the one that is being represented by James Tresmond. It kind of makes me wonder if it's an isolated incident, with important facts being left out on the part of the victim and his lawyer.
I will gladly spread the word if this is a true story, but at this point it really seems more like the typical Chicken Little stories we see so often claiming "The sky is falling" based on incomplete or sometimes erroneous information. :twocents:
Post by: lokidog on April 11, 2013, 09:47:50 AM
Post by: notellumcreek on April 11, 2013, 09:52:51 AM
Post by: lokidog on April 11, 2013, 09:57:25 AM
They are just taking guns from people who take certain types of meds is what I am reading? Unless I am missing something? I won't mind seeing guns taken out of the hands of people who need medication to stay sane, I have seen people get off their meds and they are coo coo for cocoa puffs.
The problem is that many people who are not "coo coo for cocoa puffs" will use some of these anti-depressants to help get through a rough period in their lives, but are then forever labeled and apparently not fit for gun ownership.
Post by: brokenvet on April 11, 2013, 10:02:52 AM
They did conclude that it COULD be just the beginning of something big due to the way HIPAA law was written.
And how the LE found him is because the guy had a conceal carry permit or what ever they call it.
The left wont say anything about it because they are trying to cover up what ever mess, (confiscation) they created.
Should we panic, I do not think so, we should however prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
I am pretty sure that mentally ill people will be a huge target. That is, people who take meds that balances the serotonin in their brain, meds like: Prozac, willbutrin, Bupropion, Zoloft, Ambiem and other brands. More than likely that their 2A right would be taken away.
Post by: Mudman on April 11, 2013, 10:16:17 AM
Post by: jackelope on April 11, 2013, 10:19:41 AM
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/11/oops-new-york-state-police-admit-to-big-mistake-in-gun-confiscation-case/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/11/oops-new-york-state-police-admit-to-big-mistake-in-gun-confiscation-case/)
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In a surprising turnaround, New York State Police have admitted that they made a mistake when they confiscated the guns and suspended the permit of an Erie County resident on the grounds of mental health.
Late Wednesday, Erie County, NY, released a statement (posted below) blaming the New York State Police for giving them bad information regarding the suspension of a pistol permit and demand to surrender firearms sent to Amherst resident David Lewis.
(Mr. Lewis was not identified in our original story, his name has since been released in conjunction with court documents filed by his attorney, Jim Tresmond.)
“Erie County Clerk Chris Jacobs said that late today he received a call from the New York State Police informing him that they had provided information on the wrong person when they notified his office of someone whose permit should be suspended because of the new mental health provisions in New York’s SAFE Act,” the release begins.
“When the State Police called to tell us they made a mistake and had the wrong person … it become clear that the state did not do their job here and now we all look foolish,” the release went on to say in a quote from Clerk Jacobs.
Jacobs appeared on WBEN radio in Buffalo on Thursday morning and explained the details of this administrative debacle. Mr. Jacobs also delivered some pointed comments about how the law was written so badly that mistakes like this were bound to happen. He closed with some fairly damning statements and also asked the state to consider scrapping the bill and re-writing it.
“When you write a piece of legislation in a vacuum, without having hearings, without talking to people about how it’s going to implemented in the real world — without jeopardizing people’s rights, and putting an individual like this through a nightmarish experience, and infringe on their rights, you have to go back to the drawing board,” he said. “And I encourage the legislative leadership here and mostly our governor to take a step back and say ‘we didn’t get it right’ and let’s change this.”
After the press release was issued by the state, TheBlaze spoke with one of Mr. Lewis’ attorney, Max Tresmond.
“We won round one,” he said, “round two will be a suit against the state for what they did to our client and his reputation.”
Here is the press release admitting to the error in this gun confiscation
Post by: brokenvet on April 11, 2013, 10:21:31 AM
All who thought this wouldnt happen, HERES YOUR SIGN!!! Now apply this lesson to all other conspiracies and take a good long look before dismissing things. IRS on social media now as well. Obamacare did hire 25k agents so they need something to do. Oh and dont forget about homeland sec. buying all this ammo etc.? We are transitioning to a new time and with tech. privacy and secretcy are hand in hand. Paranoid? You bet I am more and more. I call it protective intelligence. :twocents: I feel sorry for any people with a medical record of any mental/depression/anxiety meds of any sort. I guess those people are psychos with AK47s killing with 10+ round clips now. :bash: Dont worry Homeland Sec. has the manpower to get these guns away from all these bad people and save us. CRAZY!
If you really think about, those people who do those shootings are probably Democrats, who can't get what they want.
That is about $10,000,000 Oops
Post by: Atroxus on April 11, 2013, 11:40:16 AM
I think it's important to get this type of information out when it happens, but I am so tired of people blowing stuff out of proportion to cause a panic response. I really wish there were some trustworthy media outlets that would report on this stuff with just the facts and not all of the bias and panic-mongering. :bash:
Post by: Mudman on April 11, 2013, 01:40:47 PM
Okay, so that latest article confirmed what I suspected. At this point at least, it is an isolated incident. The original article made it sound like it was a a lot worse than it was.It doesnt matter if its isolated or a mistake. It matters that they are indeed confiscating guns. :bash:
I think it's important to get this type of information out when it happens, but I am so tired of people blowing stuff out of proportion to cause a panic response. I really wish there were some trustworthy media outlets that would report on this stuff with just the facts and not all of the bias and panic-mongering. :bash:
Post by: Bwana Bob on April 11, 2013, 02:14:49 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 11, 2013, 02:17:15 PM
Post by: arees on April 11, 2013, 02:21:48 PM
Now they are off checking to see if the other person has any guns.
I haven't had a chance to read the background material but I have a question. Did the defense attorney ever say that his client wasn't prescribed the medications? That would have been a straight forward defense. Something isn't adding up in the small piece of this I have read.
Post by: Bwana Bob on April 11, 2013, 02:29:48 PM
Grew up in the Bronx and moved to hopewell jct in 62. This was only 60 mi from NYC and at 14 I was able to walk through our development with my 20ga and beagle and hunt rabbits ans squirrels. Those times are gone for ever.
Post by: Atroxus on April 11, 2013, 02:34:46 PM
Okay, so that latest article confirmed what I suspected. At this point at least, it is an isolated incident. The original article made it sound like it was a a lot worse than it was.It doesnt matter if its isolated or a mistake. It matters that they are indeed confiscating guns. :bash:
I think it's important to get this type of information out when it happens, but I am so tired of people blowing stuff out of proportion to cause a panic response. I really wish there were some trustworthy media outlets that would report on this stuff with just the facts and not all of the bias and panic-mongering. :bash:
I am not saying that confiscating guns is good. There is a huge difference between confiscating guns from one person, and mass confiscations though.
I would not have a problem with that article, and the ones like it if they had presented just the facts instead of trying to cause a panic. In my opinion crap like that is at least in part, why a lot of people think that the average NRA member and by association the average gun owner is a tin-hat wearing, paranoid, delusional moron living in a bunker and stock-piling weapons. Over the top alarmist rhetoric doesn't help further our cause, and in some cases can even hinder it. :twocents:
Post by: brokenvet on April 11, 2013, 02:45:05 PM
Okay, so that latest article confirmed what I suspected. At this point at least, it is an isolated incident. The original article made it sound like it was a a lot worse than it was.It doesnt matter if its isolated or a mistake. It matters that they are indeed confiscating guns. :bash:
I think it's important to get this type of information out when it happens, but I am so tired of people blowing stuff out of proportion to cause a panic response. I really wish there were some trustworthy media outlets that would report on this stuff with just the facts and not all of the bias and panic-mongering. :bash:
I am not saying that confiscating guns is good. There is a huge difference between confiscating guns from one person, and mass confiscations though.
I would not have a problem with that article, and the ones like it if they had presented just the facts instead of trying to cause a panic. In my opinion crap like that is at least in part, why a lot of people think that the average NRA member and by association the average gun owner is a tin-hat wearing, paranoid, delusional moron living in a bunker and stock-piling weapons. Over the top alarmist rhetoric doesn't help further our cause, and in some cases can even hinder it. :twocents:
NOT sure where you got info concerning mass confiscation. Read my first post on this discussion.
Post by: Mudman on April 11, 2013, 03:11:36 PM
I hear what you are saying, but I will tell ya something else. Talk to the last generation more and you will find out that the people who wore their tin hats 40years ago were right. Compare the last 40years with today and you will see the progression. :twocents:Okay, so that latest article confirmed what I suspected. At this point at least, it is an isolated incident. The original article made it sound like it was a a lot worse than it was.It doesnt matter if its isolated or a mistake. It matters that they are indeed confiscating guns. :bash:
I think it's important to get this type of information out when it happens, but I am so tired of people blowing stuff out of proportion to cause a panic response. I really wish there were some trustworthy media outlets that would report on this stuff with just the facts and not all of the bias and panic-mongering. :bash:
I am not saying that confiscating guns is good. There is a huge difference between confiscating guns from one person, and mass confiscations though.
I would not have a problem with that article, and the ones like it if they had presented just the facts instead of trying to cause a panic. In my opinion crap like that is at least in part, why a lot of people think that the average NRA member and by association the average gun owner is a tin-hat wearing, paranoid, delusional moron living in a bunker and stock-piling weapons. Over the top alarmist rhetoric doesn't help further our cause, and in some cases can even hinder it. :twocents:
Post by: csaaphill on April 12, 2013, 01:23:34 AM
Tresmond is the one who is sueing Ny over the Safe act. H'es doing this all pro bono as well.
But ya dont be so quick to say oh well on this. The Gov's going to use every dirty trick in the book they can on this to get people disarmed.
These laws will not help anyone who needs a Dr's help at all they will start to shy away from getting help if they think their guns will be confiscated.
WHos to say that this DR that turned this guy in wasn't an anti gun DR?
Post by: Mudman on April 12, 2013, 07:26:36 AM
Post by: JJD on April 12, 2013, 08:13:56 AM
Listen, this is how I see things progressing. Lets say Im crazy. I want to go to Dr. and get help. If I get my meds I am fine. SOOO If I do this they will come a knocking and confiscate weapons. Hmmmm? No thanks, I wont do it. One day I feel realllly crazy and go wacko guns a blazing. How does this law help again? Plus once confiscation starts and the precedent is established where will it end?Where will it end? The possiblities are vast and many of them would have the opposite effect of that which said laws were intended.
Post by: Wenatcheejay on April 12, 2013, 10:06:26 AM
They are just taking guns from people who take certain types of meds is what I am reading? Unless I am missing something? I won't mind seeing guns taken out of the hands of people who need medication to stay sane, I have seen people get off their meds and they are coo coo for cocoa puffs.
This is a very dangerous ideology to support. There is a world of difference between being Adjudicated Mentally Defective and the fact that a person for many, many reasons may have taken SSRI medication at some point in their life. There are many reasons people may have taken medication that have nothing what so ever being mentally defective. HIPPA also protects medical records from this very type of government intrusion. Medical Providers decide if a person is Adjudicated Mentally Defective. If they are they report it. The NRA want those records tied to NCIS. That has always been their position. Nothing has changed. Obama/Bloomberg/State of NY, want to force all medical records under their minions control. They then data sift if and if they can find anything that MIGHT find you unfit of, "moral character" they seize your guns via SWAT. Not to different than the British Soldiers coming to your house in the dark of night. That is wrong, illegal, and in violation of the Bill of Rights.
Supporting the NY version of, "Gun Safety" could very well ban veterans, injured Police Officers, Sherriffs, retired Law Enforcement if they suffer PTSD, victims of violent crime, from guns (who need the rights of self protection most.)
Post by: Mudman on April 12, 2013, 11:23:50 AM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on April 12, 2013, 12:27:55 PM
I bet the returning soldiers in NY with PTSD are getting real jumpy! Let the exodus begin.
I feel what is happening is shameful. If a person is found Adjudicated Mentally Defective in court and by Health Professionals, and it is reported to NCIS, I support it. That is what I believe America wants, that and tough sentencing laws for criminal activity. I also believe that most (Non-Obama worshiping acolytes) want kids as well as all people safe from violence. The argument is how to do it. In my opinion punishing and burdening good guys while empowering and emboldening bad guys is the wrong approach.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 12, 2013, 12:32:54 PM
Post by: christopheri on April 12, 2013, 06:31:39 PM
what a bunch of Bull sheet ... my blood boils when they are making examples out of people who are not the problem...and why they are getting away with it is beyond me ..... :bash: :bash: :bash: >:(
You know why they are getting away with it?!!! Because we live in a society were very few are brought up to be responsible for their own safety.The sheeple have been brain washed into thinking that guns are evil and cause crime. No one want to be responsible for themselves any more. Don't get me wrong I support LE however I think if you talk to any cop they will tell you that they can be there in minutes when seconds count. We have been told to not fight back. Give them (thugs) what they want and they will leave... I am with the government I know what is best for you. The whole thing just sickens me! :bash:
Post by: Wenatcheejay on April 12, 2013, 07:12:32 PM
Pop Culture literally has taken over America. Like the economy, we will reap what we sow.
Post by: snowpack on April 12, 2013, 07:53:37 PM
Post by: csaaphill on April 12, 2013, 09:21:38 PM