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Title: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Fish4Fun on April 11, 2013, 08:01:47 AM
My buddy has been hitting Lenore this Spring and finding very poor fishing. Read this article and you can see Lake Lenore is getting cleaned out. If they just caught them, how many times has this happened this year already.

http://nwsportsmanmag.com/2013/04/10/wardens-nab-netters-with-242-lenore-lahontans/ (http://nwsportsmanmag.com/2013/04/10/wardens-nab-netters-with-242-lenore-lahontans/)
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: BIGINNER on April 11, 2013, 08:11:17 AM
 :yike: :yike:   wow.  I used to fish the lake with my dad,  the fishing isn't the same as it was 10 years ago.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on April 11, 2013, 08:17:02 AM
Those wardens deserve our thanks for a job well done!  :tup: Pukes like that are stealing from all of us.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Wenatcheejay on April 11, 2013, 08:17:15 AM
Great job Officers! Thank you!
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on April 11, 2013, 11:49:35 AM
 :tup:to the officers!
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: MADMAX on April 11, 2013, 11:55:33 AM
Unreal !
good job catching them
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Mfowl on April 11, 2013, 12:10:13 PM
I wonder if they are the same tools that were netting whitefish out of Banks Lake afterdark last winter?
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: mulehunter on April 11, 2013, 12:14:34 PM
Great job Officers! Thank you!

 :tup:  Thank you GW
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on April 11, 2013, 12:21:13 PM
This is just mind blowing. WTF were they gonna do with 600 pounds of trout I wonder.

And what a great job by the GW's!!!!!!! You guys Rock! :tup:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: smdave on April 11, 2013, 12:23:58 PM
This is just mind blowing. WTF were they gonna do with 600 pounds of trout I wonder.

And what a great job by the GW's!!!!!!! You guys Rock! :tup:

and how many times did they do it before getting caught?
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: boneaddict on April 11, 2013, 12:39:03 PM
Thats crazy. 
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: huntnphool on April 11, 2013, 12:45:18 PM
That is one of my all time favorite fisheries, been fishing those Lahontans for years and its a shame people like that ruin it for everyone.

Well done officers, thank you very much! :tup:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Smossy on April 11, 2013, 12:49:18 PM
Sounds like those guys have no morals. Like wth who does that? About time karma came back to bite them in the rear. Im just sad that the punishment they hand out for that type of stuff is never enough.
If they cared about theyre hunting and or fishing licenses I dont think they would be doing that so lifetime revoke of permits wouldnt be enough. They could still go do it. :bash:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: huntnphool on April 11, 2013, 12:52:57 PM
I'd like to see WDFW auction off the truck and use the money to build a better fence around the channel.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: 3dsheetmetal on April 11, 2013, 12:53:53 PM
Need to ship them back to Russia. :mor:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Special T on April 11, 2013, 12:54:33 PM
This is the kind of work that i wish the Leo's at WDFW we always doing... Its good to see everyone praise them.

I really hope they get the hammer dropped on them for this. :violent1: If this is a stealing and selling wildlife event then some real good can come from this. If this is a group of "poor" down on thier luck group people i hope the judge finds a way of impacting thier lives. so often misdomenors/gross don't really have an impact from people that have nothing to take...
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: huntnphool on April 11, 2013, 12:56:18 PM
This is the kind of work that i wish the Leo's at WDFW we always doing... Its good to see everyone praise them.

I really hope they get the hammer dropped on them for this. :violent1: If this is a stealing and selling wildlife event then some real good can come from this. If this is a group of "poor" down on thier luck group people i hope the judge finds a way of impacting thier lives. so often misdomenors/gross don't really have an impact from people that have nothing to take...
The poor don't drive vehicles like that.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: BIGINNER on April 11, 2013, 12:57:40 PM
Russians again,...  not sure if its the same guys who were poaching white fish from banks lake.   revoking licenses won't do chit.... they most likely didn't have licenses to begin with.  Idiots
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Gringo31 on April 11, 2013, 12:59:29 PM
This type of crime needs to be a whole different category.  Needs to have a bigger hammer than shooting a wolf IMHO.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: BIGINNER on April 11, 2013, 12:59:35 PM
I doubt they're poor. that's a nice truck they have,.. plus they make a ton of money off these fish
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Special T on April 11, 2013, 01:10:32 PM
Good then they can shake them down for selling illegal wildlife. Hopefully they get some good info from thier phones so they can track down who they were going to sell them to.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Southpole on April 11, 2013, 01:29:01 PM
I doubt they're poor. that's a nice truck they have,.. plus they make a ton of money off these fish
Yeah, you can bet that they were selling them.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Fish4Fun on April 11, 2013, 01:30:09 PM
I am guessing this isn't the first time for these idiots, just glad they finally got caught. I didn't know these fish were of that kind of table quality anyways, after all they are in spawning mode right now. What a waste for our future fishery at Lenore, this will take a few years to recover from.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on April 11, 2013, 01:32:45 PM
I am guessing this isn't the first time for these idiots, just glad they finally got caught. I didn't know these fish were of that kind of table quality anyways, after all they are in spawning mode right now. What a waste for our future fishery at Lenore, this will take a few years to recover from.

 ;) Eggs!? Cavier?
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Southpole on April 11, 2013, 01:35:51 PM
I am guessing this isn't the first time for these idiots, just glad they finally got caught. I didn't know these fish were of that kind of table quality anyways, after all they are in spawning mode right now. What a waste for our future fishery at Lenore, this will take a few years to recover from.
There are certain "types" of people that like fish of that quality... maybe the buyers like the fish eggs?
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: flatbkman on April 11, 2013, 01:39:59 PM
I remember back in the 70's when I was in California, the SE Asians were coming to this country in droves, they would put wire baskets on the end of a rake and scour the bottom of the canals, creeks and the like. Ended up that there was nothing living in there. Then they started going to the mountains filling the trunks of their cars with any kind of bird they could find, chipmunks, rabbits, squirrels, and anything else they saw walking.
For the last 8 to 10 years around here the Eastern Europeons have been poaching deer and elk whenever they wanted. They finally got busted last year.
Seems like whenever a different nationality starts coming to the area in droves, it starts the cycle all over again. They know it's wrong, but they make good money and only get their hands slapped if they ever do get caught.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: snocohunter on April 11, 2013, 07:01:59 PM
With technology where it is today, i say they take the money from that truck and invest in some remote webcams at places like lenore, then catch em in the act. Maybe hire some informants in the russian community over there. Bunch of scum thugs and drug dealers.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Ridgeratt on April 11, 2013, 07:03:08 PM
This will turn out like this case did! He claimed it was the way he hunted in his homeland and doesn't understand the rules here, So the punisment won't fit the crime!!




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August 8, 1996 in CityImmigrant Poacher Sentenced Senchenko Faces 3 Months In Jail For Snaring Bears, Selling Their Parts
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A Russian immigrant was sentenced Wednesday to three months in jail for snaring bears and selling their parts on the black market.
Nicholay Senchenko, who became a U.S. citizen in 1994, also lost his hunting privileges for three years. He was released pending appeal of the federal jury’s decision.
The Spokane trial is over, but Senchenko still faces several counts of violating Washington hunting laws. He is scheduled to stand trial later this month in Newport.
If convicted of those charges, he could face several years behind bars and thousands of dollars in fines, said Mike Carbone, Pend …



A Russian immigrant was sentenced Wednesday to three months in jail for snaring bears and selling their parts on the black market.

Nicholay Senchenko, who became a U.S. citizen in 1994, also lost his hunting privileges for three years. He was released pending appeal of the federal jury’s decision.

The Spokane trial is over, but Senchenko still faces several counts of violating Washington hunting laws. He is scheduled to stand trial later this month in Newport.

If convicted of those charges, he could face several years behind bars and thousands of dollars in fines, said Mike Carbone, Pend Oreille County deputy prosecutor.

Wednesday’s sentence, handed down by U.S. District Court Judge Fred Van Sickle, was standard for trafficking in wildlife parts. The punishment was what prosecutor Timothy Ohms asked for and stiffer than what defense attorney Leslie Weatherhead said Senchenko deserved for “a hunting violation.”

State and federal wildlife agents in 1993 and 1994 found four high-powered snares in remote areas of the Colville National Forest in northeastern Washington. They fear more may have been set and could injure or kill people wandering through the woods.

A professional hunter before immigrating from the Ukraine to Spokane in 1989, Senchenko was convicted of selling the paws, claws and gallbladders from at least four bears agents say he caught in the snares.

Senchenko, who denies poaching bears or selling their parts, shunned Weatherhead when the trial started in January. He said he would not use any lawyer appointed by a government he doesn’t trust.

Senchenko decided to use the attorney when it proved difficult to defend himself in an unfamiliar court system that uses a language he speaks brokenly.

Speaking in court before his sentencing Wednesday, Senchenko denounced the prosecutor and wildlife agents as liars.

“There is no Constitution in America. There are no laws here,” he said through an interpreter. “There are only laws to punish people.”

As for Van Sickle, Senchenko said: “God shall be your judge.”
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: inchtowntracking on April 11, 2013, 07:22:00 PM
Had huge problems like this on Rufus too.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: plunker01 on April 11, 2013, 07:32:11 PM
Wow! this really makes me sick. And u can pretty much garuntee its not the first time they did it.They definately had a system down for doing this so its not there first rodeo! I seriously hope each of these guys get a big guy nammed bubba for a cellmate. But we know that prob wont happen.  :bdid:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Dan-o on April 11, 2013, 07:36:41 PM
Whatever punishment they get, it won't be enough.

They should be deported.   (And no, I am not anti-immigrant.   I am anti-scumbag.)
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: 100 grain on April 11, 2013, 08:12:03 PM
They need to do time! Hope that $&@% with the nice Toyota never gets it back and they fine the #%¥€ out of them that it takes 50 years to pay off the debt they owe. :twocents:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Hyde on April 11, 2013, 08:21:59 PM
   the fishing isn't the same as it was 10 years ago.

The fishing isn't the same as it was 10 DAYS ago. 

Those ass hats need to perform some community service.   LOTS of it!
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: actionshooter on April 11, 2013, 10:27:37 PM
   the fishing isn't the same as it was 10 years ago.

The fishing isn't the same as it was 10 DAYS ago. 

Those ass hats need to perform some community service.   LOTS of it!


 Community service my ass, the need some real jail time.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on April 11, 2013, 10:35:17 PM
   the fishing isn't the same as it was 10 years ago.

The fishing isn't the same as it was 10 DAYS ago. 

Those ass hats need to perform some community service.   LOTS of it!


 Community service my ass, the need some real jail time.

 :yeah:  In a cell with Big Wally!
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: bearpaw on April 11, 2013, 10:38:05 PM
Crimes like this should be punished worse than poaching, taking that many fish should carry a higher penalty, poaching times 200!
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Smossy on April 11, 2013, 10:54:14 PM
Community service? Are you guys kidding me, that should be punishable by imprisonment. And some hefty hefty HEFTY fines to say the least.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Smossy on April 11, 2013, 10:56:22 PM
   the fishing isn't the same as it was 10 years ago.

The fishing isn't the same as it was 10 DAYS ago. 

Those ass hats need to perform some community service.   LOTS of it!


 Community service my ass, the need some real jail time.
Yes exacctly. Glad I seen someone else say it to. Like what the heck, killing of whats probably been hundreds if not thousands of fish? Who knows how long these people have been doing it.
If these guys were this careless I really would hate to find out what else they could of been doing or where else, specialy as far as big game goes.... For all we know these dudes coulda had bear traps and deadfall pits for deer. :bash:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: bear hunter on April 11, 2013, 11:58:53 PM
 :bash: :bash: :bash: I haven't seen Sh-t like that,but I do see people that live by the local lakes. Takes 3 times there limits ever day. I called but nothing ever happens. The Wardens don't have time to catch everone. I was by hat island and watched a person row out and loaded 2 full crab pots in a boat. I was waiting for him to through back the females and small ones. Nope he rowed back and took the crab pots in his house. Heck there must of been 30+ crabs in each pot. He made 2 more trips out and reset the first pots. I called they said there was more important things than a crab thief.  :yike: I think he was mad because I call his cell many times and said COME DO YOUR JOB. Not all Game Wardens are lazy. The ones that caught the gill netters did a great service. I commend them.  :tup:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: boneaddict on April 12, 2013, 05:31:26 AM
Spawning rotten fish, I don't get what they were after.  Eggs? 
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Dhoey07 on April 12, 2013, 06:16:06 AM
I wonder if they can get them for a "poaching spree"? Like when you shoot 3 or more deer kinda thing.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: jackmaster on April 12, 2013, 06:49:07 AM
i would like to know what they were doing with all those fish? you can tell from their equipment and vehicle that they arent hard up for food, i would like to know what resteraunt is buying those fish from them, and since when do russians start stealing fish? they are known for choppn cars not choppn fish..... :dunno:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: singleshot12 on April 12, 2013, 06:53:22 AM
This sort of thing is happening ALL over our state and it makes me  :puke: They have no regards for our fish and game and just laugh at our laws. Where do think most of our sturgeon is going :bash:  LE needs to spend most of their time trying to put a stop to them :twocents:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: BNAElkhntr on April 12, 2013, 07:09:02 AM
Great job Officers! Thank you!
:yeah:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: h20hunter on April 12, 2013, 07:15:54 AM
Update.................NO BIG SURPRISE AT THESE NAMES!!!!!!!!!!!

UPDATE APRIL 11, 2013, 11:25 A.M.: Rich Landers at the Spokane Spokesman-Review identifies the four suspects as:
 

Vitaliy Kachinskiy, 23, of Mount Vernon and three Everett men: Sergey Otroda, 32, Igor Bigun, 26 and Oleg Pavlus, 25.
 
He also quotes the local enforcement chief:
 

“We have members of two ethnic groups involved with an annual thing of illegal netting that’s causing great concern for our fish program,” said WDFW Capt. Chris Anderson in Ephrata.  “One group has been caught targeting mostly whitefish at Banks Lake and this group was targeting the big spawning cutthroats at Lenore. The 242 fish were just one night’s catch. We’re not sure how many nights or weeks worth of fish they’ve taken out of the lake.”
 
And Landers notes:


This is a huge bummer for fishermen. Not only do we deal with environmental issues that plague fish, but also with human pond scum that will do this to a fishery that means so much to anglers and the local economy.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: BNAElkhntr on April 12, 2013, 07:17:13 AM
Spawning rotten fish, I don't get what they were after.  Eggs?
Quite Possibly yes  If you look in the article The Poachers surnames in this case and the Portland case were of
Russian Type and since the Black Sea Sturgeon  were nearly  wiped out by caviar hunters i suspect that they are trying to do the same Here :twocents:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: jackelope on April 12, 2013, 07:19:47 AM
Spawning rotten fish, I don't get what they were after.  Eggs?

Since they don't actually "spawn" in Lenore do they even have eggs? Not sure on the biology of all that. They're all sterile. They're still boots though, and this is still a huge deal. Good job to the officers. Hopefully they keep at it because this is happening all over this state. Hopefully with the Cedar opening soon over here, they'll up the patrols there too.


Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: boneaddict on April 12, 2013, 07:21:07 AM
Yes they have eggs.   

That's interesting.  Huge Russian community in Ephrata too.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: BNAElkhntr on April 12, 2013, 07:23:50 AM
This sort of thing is happening ALL over our state and it makes me  :puke: They have no regards for our fish and game and just laugh at our laws. Where do think most of our sturgeon is going :bash:  LE needs to spend most of their time trying to put a stop to them :twocents:

I Agree But us Honest Sportsman are the first line of defense, we all must do what we can to help our LEO's
so report when you see things like this.  I'm sure many cars some with sportsman have driven by those guys on Lenore and some saw the net,  but how many called? :twocents:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Bullkllr on April 12, 2013, 09:58:46 AM
Spawning rotten fish, I don't get what they were after.  Eggs?

Since they don't actually "spawn" in Lenore do they even have eggs? Not sure on the biology of all that. They're all sterile. They're still boots though, and this is still a huge deal. Good job to the officers. Hopefully they keep at it because this is happening all over this state. Hopefully with the Cedar opening soon over here, they'll up the patrols there too.

They're Lahontans; not triploids. They spawn just like other trout.

i would like to know what they were doing with all those fish? you can tell from their equipment and vehicle that they arent hard up for food, i would like to know what resteraunt is buying those fish from them, and since when do russians start stealing fish? they are known for choppn cars not choppn fish..... :dunno:

They're into doing whatever they think they can get away with.
This better not be a "slap on the wrist" situation! :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: jackmaster on April 12, 2013, 10:06:39 AM
i understand that and russians generally do, do whatever they think they can get away with, it useally involves selling stuff especially stolen stuff for a profit, which is why i think they are in bed with a resteraunt or somethn and selling those fish, what else would you do with that much mushy damn fish  :dunno:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: jackelope on April 12, 2013, 10:14:23 AM
Spawning rotten fish, I don't get what they were after.  Eggs?

Since they don't actually "spawn" in Lenore do they even have eggs? Not sure on the biology of all that. They're all sterile. They're still boots though, and this is still a huge deal. Good job to the officers. Hopefully they keep at it because this is happening all over this state. Hopefully with the Cedar opening soon over here, they'll up the patrols there too.

They're Lahontans; not triploids. They spawn just like other trout.


I know they're not triploids, but they are sterile and do not "spawn". They do the dance, run up the little creeks that feed into the lake, but they do not actually naturally produce offspring. WDFW collects eggs from spawning females and rears/raises/hatches from there. It's the males that are sterile.

WDFW stocks it annually.
.

Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: boneaddict on April 12, 2013, 10:59:02 AM
Quote
It's the males that are sterile.
Its not sterility, its just they don't have "hatchable"  territory (land locked).  I believe they are a viable, yet threatened fish.  To my knowledge anyways. 
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Bullkllr on April 12, 2013, 12:06:43 PM
 :yeah:

They reproduce successfully in many areas, just not at Lenore because of poor spawning habitat.
I think WA got them from Pyramid Lake in Nevada, where they spawn in feeder streams and self-perpetuate successfully.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: boneaddict on April 12, 2013, 12:12:14 PM
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I think WA got them from Pyramid Lake in Nevada

I think that's correct.


Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Roosevelt walleye on April 12, 2013, 01:05:09 PM
So these fish were brought to Lenore by the state? I wonder what they have done to the native fish and other aquatic life in Lenore?
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: BIGINNER on April 12, 2013, 01:08:09 PM
So these fish were brought to Lenore by the state? I wonder what they have done to the native fish and other aquatic life in Lenore?

I don't think there is any other fish in lenore lake. its too alkaline for other fish to survive. only these trout can survive here.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Southpole on April 12, 2013, 01:12:24 PM
So these fish were brought to Lenore by the state? I wonder what they have done to the native fish and other aquatic life in Lenore?
There wasn't too much for other aquatic life in Lenore, that's why they put the cutthroats in there in the first place.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Roosevelt walleye on April 12, 2013, 01:20:02 PM
Not much aquatic life or no aquatic life? I am sure they have had some impact on what was there, I say open the limit and eliminate this non native fish.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: BIGINNER on April 12, 2013, 01:21:09 PM
Not much aquatic life or no aquatic life? I am sure they have had some impact on what was there, I say open the limit and eliminate this non native fish.

you don't seem to get it,.... other fish cannot survive in that lake,....  :bash: :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Roosevelt walleye on April 12, 2013, 01:24:16 PM
No I do get that but I would bet that there is some form of aquatic life in the lake that is native or these fish would not survive.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Roosevelt walleye on April 12, 2013, 01:25:40 PM
Even trout have to eat, get it?
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: BIGINNER on April 12, 2013, 01:26:17 PM
i'd rather have the trout stay and I bet 99.99% of fishermen would agree....

so why do you think the trout need to go?  just wondering.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: BIGINNER on April 12, 2013, 01:27:22 PM
Even trout have to eat, get it?

I get what you're saying, but why destroy such a good fishery? 
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: lokidog on April 12, 2013, 01:29:42 PM
Even trout have to eat, get it?

You don't have to take out your anger about the increased walleye limits on these poor fish.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Southpole on April 12, 2013, 01:31:12 PM
Even trout have to eat, get it?
Are you saying, let's get rid of the trout so the native bugs and frogs can survive?
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Roosevelt walleye on April 12, 2013, 01:35:55 PM
I do not actually want them killed it would be a shame. I was just making the point that our state uses the non native thing when it is convienent for them.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: BIGINNER on April 12, 2013, 01:37:20 PM
I do not actually want them killed it would be a shame. I was just making the point that our state uses the non native thing when it is convienent for them.

are there endangered species that are being decimated in the lake?  your point is kinda of... kinda bigtime... 
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Roosevelt walleye on April 12, 2013, 01:40:34 PM
I am sure they are eating their share of something.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Roosevelt walleye on April 12, 2013, 01:46:04 PM
I also do not think the endangered salmon or steelhead will be making it my way anytime soon unless they grow legs and walk around grand coulee dam.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: BIGINNER on April 12, 2013, 01:54:41 PM
don't worry, the walley and bass will servive.  I doubt there will even be a noticeable dent if any in the population   :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Southpole on April 12, 2013, 02:00:49 PM
don't worry, the walley and bass will servive.  I doubt there will even be a noticeable dent if any in the population   :chuckle: :chuckle:
you took the words right out of my keyboard
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: singleshot12 on April 12, 2013, 02:27:13 PM
This sort of thing is happening ALL over our state and it makes me  :puke: They have no regards for our fish and game and just laugh at our laws. Where do think most of our sturgeon is going :bash:  LE needs to spend most of their time trying to put a stop to them :twocents:

I Agree But us Honest Sportsman are the first line of defense, we all must do what we can to help our LEO's
so report when you see things like this.  I'm sure many cars some with sportsman have driven by those guys on Lenore and some saw the net,  but how many called? :twocents:

I also agree, if we want to see any quality fishing in the future we should all have the local game wardon on speed dial when we see these scum bags stealing our recourse's. I'm not really sure why about 90% of sportsmen are too chickenchit to help out our LEO. They depend upon us since we are basically the eyes and ears for them.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: huntnphool on April 12, 2013, 03:22:10 PM
Lake Lenore, Soap Lake, Washington


The Lahontan cutthroat trout is a fascinating
creature. It is one of the few salmonids that not only survives but thrives in
highly alkaline waters, such as those of its historic natural range in the Great
Basin area of the west. Nevada’s Pyramid Lake is the most famous of the Great
Basin cutthroat lakes, historically growing Lahontan cutts of massive
proportions. The world-record Lahontan, a 41-pound leviathan, came from Pyramid
Lake in the 1920s. These fish can survive higher water temperatures than other
trout by becoming very lethargic when summer heat sets in. In fact, Washington  Department of Fish
and Wildlife (WDFW) biologist Jeff Korth says that growth rates for Lahontan cutts peak in the spring and fall,
but the almost identical summer and winter growth rates are minimal.

 Several decades ago Washington’s Lake Lenore—a 1,600-acre arid-country lake with the kind of water
in which Lahontans thrive—seemed a likely place for the WDFW to try planting these cutthroat.
The stocking program began in the 1970s, and by the early 1980s, the lake was producing 10-plus-pound fish.
The good old days lasted until  the exceptionally hot summer of 1998 killed most or even all of the fish. The
WDFW was poised to correct the situation and the next spring stocked Lenore with tens of thousands of Lahontans.
A creek feeding the north end of the lake provides a place for biologists to trap cutts, which do not reproduce naturally,
and take eggs in early April—if you need a little encouragement when it’s cold out and the icy spring desert wind
is blowing, Korth suggests taking a look at the 7- and 8-pound fish stacked in the trap pen (the creek is closed to
angling).

 The fishing season on Lenore starts March 1, providing there is ice-free water. Fishing can be tough this
early, but it picks up as April approaches. During early spring, small flies—Chironomids and scuds—are often
the best choices. That’s not to say that your favorite Woolly Bugger permutation won’t work, but the smaller patterns do
very well. Korth recommends size-14 through -18 flies, fished slowly with a hand-twist retrieve that gives lethargic
trout plenty of time to see and react to your offering. The water is often turbid, largely owing to the seemingly
constant wind, so trout can’t see flies from too far away. Fish with patience.

By June, the fishing is typically done for the summer because the warming water makes trout lethargic.
Ironically, the fishing shuts off just as a massive damselfly hatch gets under way—an unfortunate case of bad timing.

With the arrival of cooler fall weather, however, comes the best fishing of the year on Lenore. The reinvigorated
cutthroat go on the feed, and large flies are just the ticket. The best action usually begins in mid-October,
and Korth believes that November is the best month for fishing—all the way up to November 30, when the lake closes
to angling.

Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: huntnphool on April 12, 2013, 03:25:06 PM
I posted this a while back but some may not have seen it. disposal of sodium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY7mTCMvpEM#)
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Buckmark on April 12, 2013, 03:34:57 PM
Not much aquatic life or no aquatic life? I am sure they have had some impact on what was there, I say open the limit and eliminate this non native fish.
Everyday i get a good laugh from members on here... :chuckle: So lets kill all the walleyes to...
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The walleye is not a native Washington fish, and just how walleyes originally entered the state is unknown. The first verification of a walleye in Washington was in 1962, from Banks Lake in eastern Washington. Soon afterwards, populations began to show up in Franklin Roosevelt Lake (connected to Banks Lake through a huge pipe and pump). Since then they have spread from these original sites to the remainder of the mainstem Columbia river, from near the mouth to the Canadian border.

Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: huntnphool on April 12, 2013, 03:42:13 PM
Not much aquatic life or no aquatic life? I am sure they have had some impact on what was there, I say open the limit and eliminate this non native fish.
The lake has scud in it and it has been the one of the Lahontans food sources, lots of bugs too.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: jackelope on April 12, 2013, 04:21:11 PM
Not much aquatic life or no aquatic life? I am sure they have had some impact on what was there, I say open the limit and eliminate this non native fish.
Everyday i get a good laugh from members on here... :chuckle: So lets kill all the walleyes to...
*
The walleye is not a native Washington fish, and just how walleyes originally entered the state is unknown. The first verification of a walleye in Washington was in 1962, from Banks Lake in eastern Washington. Soon afterwards, populations began to show up in Franklin Roosevelt Lake (connected to Banks Lake through a huge pipe and pump). Since then they have spread from these original sites to the remainder of the mainstem Columbia river, from near the mouth to the Canadian border.

I think some of you guys missed the thread that prompted "Roosevelt Walleye"'s sarcastic posts. There was a thread a while back regarding salmon vs. bass and walleye on the Columbie and WDFW's new rules or proposed rules or something. Roos. Walleye is against those rules. You'll have to read the thread to get all the details.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,120553.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,120553.0.html)
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Curly on April 12, 2013, 04:23:51 PM
I posted this a while back but some may not have seen it.

That would have been even more fun than rolling big boulders down a cliff.  8)
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Wacenturion on April 13, 2013, 05:57:35 PM
At the very beginning of the Lake Lenore introductions, small live holding cages were placed in various locations in Lake Lenore with Rainbows, Lahotan Cutthroat and Brown trout together in each cage.  When the traps were checked the next day, the only thing living were the cutthroat.

After several tests the cutthroat were released, later to be picked up in test nests and showed incredible growth in less than a year.  Then arrangements were made with Nevada to get broodstock.  Those were flown to the Omak hatchery and thus the Lahotan Cutthroat release program began. 

As a side note, even back in the late 70's early 80's there was fairly strong opposition to those releases in Lenore from the then new fledgling non game program in the Region 2 Ephrata office.  However they lost the debate, which was weak, to say the least.  They did however manage to make the argument to restrict motors from the lake, which was questionable.  Little history...... :)   
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: JLS on April 13, 2013, 06:32:17 PM
I posted this a while back but some may not have seen it. disposal of sodium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY7mTCMvpEM#)

Can you imagine the ESA that would be required for this?

Man, what I would have given to do that as a teenager :chuckle:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Bullkllr on April 13, 2013, 09:21:53 PM
I posted this a while back but some may not have seen it. disposal of sodium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY7mTCMvpEM#)

Pretty wild. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: huntnphool on April 14, 2013, 01:02:01 AM
I posted this a while back but some may not have seen it. disposal of sodium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY7mTCMvpEM#)

Can you imagine the ESA that would be required for this?

Man, what I would have given to do that as a teenager :chuckle:
No kidding! :chuckle:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: huntnphool on April 14, 2013, 01:08:56 AM
At the very beginning of the Lake Lenore introductions, small live holding cages were placed in various locations in Lake Lenore with Rainbows, Lahotan Cutthroat and Brown trout together in each cage.  When the traps were checked the next day, the only thing living were the cutthroat.

After several tests the cutthroat were released, later to be picked up in test nests and showed incredible growth in less than a year.  Then arrangements were made with Nevada to get broodstock.  Those were flown to the Omak hatchery and thus the Lahotan Cutthroat release program began. 

As a side note, even back in the late 70's early 80's there was fairly strong opposition to those releases in Lenore from the then new fledgling non game program in the Region 2 Ephrata office.  However they lost the debate, which was weak, to say the least.  They did however manage to make the argument to restrict motors from the lake, which was questionable.  Little history...... :)   
:tup:

I remember years ago watching a fishing show with a guy named Larry Shoenborn called Fishing the West and they were fishing Lenore. That had to be 25 years ago by now, we hardly had anyone around us when wading in the two ends back then.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: ribka on April 15, 2013, 08:33:28 PM
Not much aquatic life or no aquatic life? I am sure they have had some impact on what was there, I say open the limit and eliminate this non native fish.
The lake has scud in it and it has been the one of the Lahontans food sources, lots of bugs too.


A few years ago fishing at Lenore used to be very good. huge callebaetis hatches. catch a lot on dries. They are not much for fighting but fun to catch a 30 inch fish on a dry fly.
last 3 to 4 years fishing has really slowed down at Lenore.

but there is another good lahonatn  cut lake in Douglas County.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Hawgdawg on April 15, 2013, 08:46:52 PM
No I do get that but I would bet that there is some form of aquatic life in the lake that is native or these fish would not survive.

snails. fished it for years. Like pulling a five pound rubber boot in. And wind from hell!

Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Pathfinder101 on April 15, 2013, 09:56:53 PM
At the very beginning of the Lake Lenore introductions, small live holding cages were placed in various locations in Lake Lenore with Rainbows, Lahotan Cutthroat and Brown trout together in each cage.  When the traps were checked the next day, the only thing living were the cutthroat.

After several tests the cutthroat were released, later to be picked up in test nests and showed incredible growth in less than a year.  Then arrangements were made with Nevada to get broodstock.  Those were flown to the Omak hatchery and thus the Lahotan Cutthroat release program began. 

As a side note, even back in the late 70's early 80's there was fairly strong opposition to those releases in Lenore from the then new fledgling non game program in the Region 2 Ephrata office.  However they lost the debate, which was weak, to say the least.  They did however manage to make the argument to restrict motors from the lake, which was questionable.  Little history...... :)   
:tup:

I remember years ago watching a fishing show with a guy named Larry Shoenborn called Fishing the West and they were fishing Lenore. That had to be 25 years ago by now, we hardly had anyone around us when wading in the two ends back then.

I remember that.  I learned to throw a flyline on Lenore when I was in high school.  It was my favorite lake when I was growing up.  Wind, cold water and leaky waders be damned. Fishing wasn't too technical and I really had to learn to throw a good, tight loop in the wind.
 I hope they string these guys up.  I'd like the see the lake good again.  Tried taking PathfinderJR there last year and we got skunked.  Makes sense now. >:(
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Gringo31 on April 16, 2013, 01:15:07 PM
Cool video phool!
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Mike450r on April 16, 2013, 01:47:11 PM
They need to place a monetary value on fish and wildlife and other natural resources so the theft can result in a felony charge.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 16, 2013, 01:53:47 PM
Now that theres an abundance of Russians in that area they have no reguard for regulations or seasons. They do the same thing on the end of Banks lake. They caught a mess of them gill netting there.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: TheHunt on April 16, 2013, 01:57:38 PM
Deport them...
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: Fish4Fun on April 16, 2013, 02:22:15 PM
Now that theres an abundance of Russians in that area they have no reguard for regulations or seasons. They do the same thing on the end of Banks lake. They caught a mess of them gill netting there.

Really makes you wonder if it isn't all part of the same group that is netting Banks as well as Lenore. They know that is just remote enough that people will drive right by and not even pay attention to them. The fish laws need to be stout enough to make this hurt a little more for these guys.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: singleshot12 on April 16, 2013, 02:32:40 PM
Laws should be stout enough, they are for the rest of us. We need to watch these foreigners like hawks and report anything they do if we want to have quality fishing for ourselves in the future.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: huntnphool on April 16, 2013, 03:32:47 PM
The gamies should have waited for them to pose with the fish on facebook, then they could have put them in jail for a year. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: GEARHEAD on April 16, 2013, 05:39:00 PM
Those fish along with the ones they already stole prior, were destined for an ethnic store probably in the spokane area....the russians are like locusts, they exploit every resource they come across, its just in their blood....saw one of those Montana episodes of Wardens, last month, and the Gamies were contacting one russian after another, and of course all lying, didn't have paper work etc etc etc, couldn't help but notice the nice jet sled some of them were on, obviously rigged for saltwater, kinda wondered whos boat it was, because it certainly wasn't theirs. so i guess Montana is now infested with them as well. they were caught drifting nets at rufus, they were caught or suspected maybe of cutting open the net pens there several times, they were not to long ago caught doing some kind of netting at Banks lake, now they are raping Lenore.....and these 200plus fish that they stole, were just the last two hundred fish they stole, they probably already did it twice, this raised the suspicion that got them caught...in the end, they will most likely not appear in court, if they do, it will turn in to a money fine is all, and most likely they wont pay that, they think our system is a joke and that we are a joke, and frankly, unfortunately they are right.
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: singleshot12 on April 17, 2013, 02:24:47 PM
 :yeah: :nono:
Title: Re: This is why Lake Lenore is POOR Fishing
Post by: fishingnut71 on April 17, 2013, 03:21:49 PM
Send em to black dolphin! That will take care of em. :twocents:
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