Post by: bullcanyon on April 19, 2013, 01:25:39 PM
Post by: DoubleJ on April 19, 2013, 01:29:25 PM
Post by: bullcanyon on April 19, 2013, 01:31:41 PM
Post by: Southpole on April 19, 2013, 01:33:49 PM
Blacktail are healthy to the point of over running the place where I hunt :dunno:same with where I live.
Post by: Special T on April 19, 2013, 01:35:49 PM
Post by: snowpack on April 19, 2013, 01:37:24 PM
Post by: elk247 on April 19, 2013, 01:57:14 PM
Post by: jackmaster on April 19, 2013, 02:04:54 PM
Post by: watrapper on April 19, 2013, 06:53:30 PM
Post by: mtman on April 19, 2013, 07:03:45 PM
Post by: Hunterman on April 19, 2013, 07:06:08 PM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: dreamunelk on April 19, 2013, 07:12:20 PM
Post by: Fishaholic on April 19, 2013, 07:13:32 PM
Post by: Hunterman on April 19, 2013, 07:44:55 PM
how was it back in 60s and 70s
Lets see if my antimeres will let me go back that far :yike:
General deer season was state wide. The last 2 days of the general deer season was either sex. For an extra $5.00 you could hunt with a bow and or muzzle loader. General elk season was state wide. The fee for putting in for doe tags, or cow tags was NOTHING. A hunting license would let you hunt. Plus you could buy a combo hunting/fishing license.
1973 hunting fees:
Hunting license - $6.50 (combo hunting & fishing $12.00)
Deer tag - $3.00
Elk tag - $10.00
Bear tag - $2.00
Turkey Tag - $2.00
Upland bird permit - $2.00
Archery and or muzzle loading rifle permit - $5.00
Total - $36.00
Now do the math for todays prices for less time of hunting :chuckle: . Plus the hunting regs would fit into your shirt pocket.
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: SkookumHntr on April 19, 2013, 07:49:09 PM
Post by: bullcanyon on April 19, 2013, 07:57:04 PM
Post by: Fishaholic on April 19, 2013, 07:59:41 PM
how was it back in 60s and 70s
Lets see if my antimeres will let me go back that far :yike:
General deer season was state wide. The last 2 days of the general deer season was either sex. For an extra $5.00 you could hunt with a bow and or muzzle loader. General elk season was state wide. The fee for putting in for doe tags, or cow tags was NOTHING. A hunting license would let you hunt. Plus you could buy a combo hunting/fishing license.
1973 hunting fees:
Hunting license - $6.50 (combo hunting & fishing $12.00)
Deer tag - $3.00
Elk tag - $10.00
Bear tag - $2.00
Turkey Tag - $2.00
Upland bird permit - $2.00
Archery and or muzzle loading rifle permit - $5.00
Total - $36.00
Now do the math for todays prices for less time of hunting :chuckle: . Plus the hunting regs would fit into your shirt pocket.
Hunterman man sounds like i need to start working on the time machine!
Post by: SkookumHntr on April 19, 2013, 08:16:15 PM
I live on the border of 667 and 510. Been here 34 years. In 97 i could drive any road around here and count over 20+ deer on any given night. One road near Morton we would count 35+ deer and at least 12 bucks every night after school. Now if I take my son out for a drive we are lucky to see a couple does. I hike my butt off during the season and cruise tons of roads in the off season and don't see the deer I did back in the 90s. I'm happy for ya that your areas are doing good. Heck maybe the boy and I can come hunt with ya cause our deer herds in this area are struggling bad! And yes we can still find a buck during the season, but it is no where close to what it was even in the 90s.Your spot on! Use to be able to see 10-20 deer every single evening on my drives or ridin behind my house! Now your lucky to see a deer! I hear of more cat sightings then "deer sightings" anymore! wdfw is a joke!
Post by: lokidog on April 19, 2013, 10:43:18 PM
Post by: Kola16 on April 19, 2013, 10:47:44 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 19, 2013, 10:51:46 PM
I am very disappointed to see no changes in the blacktail seasons. Was hoping to see some effort in rebuilding the bt herds. Love to see the doe hunts cut way back and some point restrictions added to some units. But they may lose a couple $ this season. Gonna lose a lot more than that in the long run.
This isn't the year to expect major changes like that. They set the seasons for three year cycles. We are in the 2012-2014 period now. If you want changes like what you posted about, it would have to start in 2015.
Post by: Kola16 on April 19, 2013, 10:55:36 PM
I never knew this, thanks for telling us......Does this mean that we might, just might get to keep rockfish in 2015 :chuckle: :bash: ...or is it just for hunting?I am very disappointed to see no changes in the blacktail seasons. Was hoping to see some effort in rebuilding the bt herds. Love to see the doe hunts cut way back and some point restrictions added to some units. But they may lose a couple $ this season. Gonna lose a lot more than that in the long run.
This isn't the year to expect major changes like that. They set the seasons for three year cycles. We are in the 2012-2014 period now. If you want changes like what you posted about, it would have to start in 2015.
Post by: lokidog on April 20, 2013, 07:58:31 AM
I never knew this, thanks for telling us......Does this mean that we might, just might get to keep rockfish in 2015 :chuckle: :bash: ...or is it just for hunting?I am very disappointed to see no changes in the blacktail seasons. Was hoping to see some effort in rebuilding the bt herds. Love to see the doe hunts cut way back and some point restrictions added to some units. But they may lose a couple $ this season. Gonna lose a lot more than that in the long run.
This isn't the year to expect major changes like that. They set the seasons for three year cycles. We are in the 2012-2014 period now. If you want changes like what you posted about, it would have to start in 2015.
Yeah, good luck with that, they'd rather see the rockfish increase the seal population than let us license purchasers eat them. :bash:
Post by: Houndhunter on April 20, 2013, 09:43:11 AM
Post by: sakoshooter on April 20, 2013, 09:37:07 PM
i am with you i think they should put antler restriction on all blacktail, it should be atleast 2pt min in all units and 3pt min in others, the only ones who should be able to shoot spikes and doe are the youth and seniors and disabled hunters. :twocents:
Agreed Jackmaster
Post by: Mudman on April 20, 2013, 09:49:00 PM
Post by: SkookumHntr on April 21, 2013, 12:12:51 PM
-I completly agree!! Ive always sayed spikes and 2points are for women and children! :chuckle:i am with you i think they should put antler restriction on all blacktail, it should be atleast 2pt min in all units and 3pt min in others, the only ones who should be able to shoot spikes and doe are the youth and seniors and disabled hunters. :twocents:
Agreed Jackmaster
Post by: huntnphool on April 21, 2013, 12:18:49 PM
i am with you i think they should put antler restriction on all blacktail, it should be atleast 2pt min in all units and 3pt min in others, the only ones who should be able to shoot spikes and doe are the youth and seniors and disabled hunters. :twocents:I think the general season should be Oct. 12th-20th this year, permits for hunting any unit in Nov.
Post by: 3nails on April 21, 2013, 12:26:23 PM
i am with you i think they should put antler restriction on all blacktail, it should be atleast 2pt min in all units and 3pt min in others, the only ones who should be able to shoot spikes and doe are the youth and seniors and disabled hunters. :twocents:I could agree to this in a unit where deer are struggling as a temporary fix. No way in areas where they are doing fine. I'll match my big blacktails up against almost anyone on this site but I'd like to reserve the option of shooting a spike on the last day if I so choose. :twocents:
Post by: SkookumHntr on April 21, 2013, 12:29:34 PM
Your missing the point of it! If this was implamented, give it a few years and your tag would more than likely be notched on a nice 3point before the last day! :twocents:i am with you i think they should put antler restriction on all blacktail, it should be atleast 2pt min in all units and 3pt min in others, the only ones who should be able to shoot spikes and doe are the youth and seniors and disabled hunters. :twocents:I could agree to this in a unit where deer are struggling as a temporary fix. No way in areas where they are doing fine. I'll match my big blacktails up against almost anyone on this site but I'd like to reserve the option of shooting a spike on the last day if I so choose. :twocents:
Post by: 3nails on April 21, 2013, 12:33:13 PM
It is that way now. That's why I may support it unit specific. No need in my unit.Your missing the point of it! If this was emplamented, give it a few years and your tag would more than likely be notched on a nice 3point before the last day! :twocents:i am with you i think they should put antler restriction on all blacktail, it should be atleast 2pt min in all units and 3pt min in others, the only ones who should be able to shoot spikes and doe are the youth and seniors and disabled hunters. :twocents:I could agree to this in a unit where deer are struggling as a temporary fix. No way in areas where they are doing fine. I'll match my big blacktails up against almost anyone on this site but I'd like to reserve the option of shooting a spike on the last day if I so choose. :twocents:
Post by: Odell on April 21, 2013, 01:15:14 PM
-I completly agree!! Ive always sayed spikes and 2points are for women and children! :chuckle:i am with you i think they should put antler restriction on all blacktail, it should be atleast 2pt min in all units and 3pt min in others, the only ones who should be able to shoot spikes and doe are the youth and seniors and disabled hunters. :twocents:
Agreed Jackmaster
Mostly agree except not all 2points are created equal. I've seen a few forkies I would love to let the air out of.
Post by: headshot5 on April 22, 2013, 11:10:04 AM
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Mostly agree except not all 2points are created equal. I've seen a few forkies I would love to let the air out of.
:yeah:
Post by: jackmaster on April 22, 2013, 12:04:42 PM
the mashel unit went to 2pt min areas when i was 12, well the numbers were good in there but they are horrible now and i am talking elbe hills, i wish they would close it down for a couple years and do a major over haul on the cat problem and the poaching, i also wish they would switch the vail tree farm to permit only, if it was done right it could be world class blacktail huntn in there, all the guys that hunt it every year can agree that the numbers are terrible in there compared to years past, or atleast make it a 2 min except for youth, disabled and seniorsQuoteMostly agree except not all 2points are created equal. I've seen a few forkies I would love to let the air out of.
:yeah:
Post by: bullcanyon on April 23, 2013, 09:01:54 AM
Post by: Old Man Yager on April 23, 2013, 09:02:44 AM
Post by: Bigshooter on April 23, 2013, 09:23:17 AM
Here's my theory...... I think when Bill Clinton (!@$%&&%^# Democrat) and his gang of tree huggers almost eliminated the timber harvest in National forests in the early 90's, it had a ripple effect on hunting and game availability. I think a good number of hunters that used to go farther away to hunt are staying more local and trying to hunt areas that still actively log. I used to hunt the Randle area and there were deer running all over the damn place, but it just kept going downhill over the years. So, now as a result local areas are over hunted and not as many animals available. Anybody else think this is part of the problem??
I think the lack of logging combined with no hound hunting for cats is the problem. And going to antler restrictions will do absolutely nothing to improve herd numbers.
Post by: Bookworm007 on April 23, 2013, 09:26:08 AM
Post by: bobcat on April 23, 2013, 09:34:00 AM
Post by: Curly on April 23, 2013, 09:36:12 AM
Post by: SkookumHntr on April 23, 2013, 09:38:38 AM
So not taking out a few hundred spikes and 2points every year wont do nothing for the deer numbers say in 667?? Come on bud your smarter then that..Here's my theory...... I think when Bill Clinton (!@$%&&%^# Democrat) and his gang of tree huggers almost eliminated the timber harvest in National forests in the early 90's, it had a ripple effect on hunting and game availability. I think a good number of hunters that used to go farther away to hunt are staying more local and trying to hunt areas that still actively log. I used to hunt the Randle area and there were deer running all over the damn place, but it just kept going downhill over the years. So, now as a result local areas are over hunted and not as many animals available. Anybody else think this is part of the problem??
I think the lack of logging combined with no hound hunting for cats is the problem. And going to antler restrictions will do absolutely nothing to improve herd numbers.
Post by: Bigshooter on April 23, 2013, 09:41:42 AM
So not taking out a few hundred spikes and 2points every year wont do nothing for the deer numbers say in 667?? Come on bud your smarter then that..Here's my theory...... I think when Bill Clinton (!@$%&&%^# Democrat) and his gang of tree huggers almost eliminated the timber harvest in National forests in the early 90's, it had a ripple effect on hunting and game availability. I think a good number of hunters that used to go farther away to hunt are staying more local and trying to hunt areas that still actively log. I used to hunt the Randle area and there were deer running all over the damn place, but it just kept going downhill over the years. So, now as a result local areas are over hunted and not as many animals available. Anybody else think this is part of the problem??
I think the lack of logging combined with no hound hunting for cats is the problem. And going to antler restrictions will do absolutely nothing to improve herd numbers.
And how many more does do you have? You have to have more does to make the herd bigger. Even the dumbest biologist will tell you that.
Post by: headshot5 on April 23, 2013, 09:43:42 AM
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Coyotes, bears, bobcat, cougars, and poachers are all a problem.
Absolutely! Predators need to be reduced.
Post by: SkookumHntr on April 23, 2013, 09:44:17 AM
Post by: Bigshooter on April 23, 2013, 09:45:32 AM
And the dumbest biologest will tell you it takes Bucks to make does! :tup:
And even this dumbing knows that one buck can breed a lot of does.
Post by: SkookumHntr on April 23, 2013, 09:50:57 AM
Post by: headshot5 on April 23, 2013, 09:51:27 AM
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And the dumbest biologest will tell you it takes Bucks to make does!
The dumbest biologist recommends wolves for a healthy herd, and less cougars be killed to lower the cougars impact...
Post by: Special T on April 23, 2013, 09:54:53 AM
Post by: Bigshooter on April 23, 2013, 09:56:08 AM
And thats the problem! There arnt many..Buck to doe ratio is not even close to what it was 10 years ago! Im not sayin its the only thing that would help but if there not gonna start killin cats what else can they do??
Reduce hunter numbers.
Post by: huntnphool on April 23, 2013, 09:59:09 AM
Post by: Old Man Yager on April 23, 2013, 10:14:34 AM
Post by: Houndhunter on April 23, 2013, 10:57:39 AM
Post by: Northway on April 23, 2013, 11:09:59 AM
maybe we can get the Cougars and Wolves to have a turf war?
It would be great if someone here had access to information on any studies that have been done to measure additive vs compensatory predation by wolves & cougars.
Post by: headshot5 on April 23, 2013, 11:34:36 AM
And there ya are... :chuckle:
Please note this is a joke. Humor Font.
Post by: bullcanyon on April 23, 2013, 08:09:59 PM
Post by: summit creek on May 13, 2013, 07:29:29 PM
Blacktail are healthy to the point of over running the place where I hunt :dunno:must not be any cats were u hunt?
Post by: summit creek on May 13, 2013, 07:34:41 PM
I've sent numerous emails to the wdfw about the lack of deer in the areas I've seen the major declines. They don't care. I keep buying a license and until I and enough of my fellow hunters stop buying them. They won't do squat.ur rite its all about money im in morton and the cats r bad ive seen 3 in three years in my huntin spot wish i could of killed em all oh well wa state sucks
Post by: madmack76 on May 13, 2013, 07:40:52 PM
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Post by: Goshawk on June 18, 2013, 11:04:58 PM
The numbers East of I-5 are way down. We still have hair loss in a very big way. I went from a dozen or so does on my property to 2.
Might come check Lewis County out.....
Post by: Mudman on June 18, 2013, 11:43:13 PM
Post by: johnsc6 on June 19, 2013, 08:34:30 AM
Lewis county needs two things, first is start logging again and second is open up a hound season on cats. I've personally seen a bobcat try to take down a yearling in November, and I can always cut lion tracks in fresh snow. I hunt there because there's big buck genetics around but honestly the hunting sucks!:yeah:
Post by: bearpaw on June 19, 2013, 09:05:17 AM
3000 to 4000 Statewide Cougar Population
Cougar eat 25 to 50 deer per year according to studies
This means cougar are eating somewhere between 75,000 and 200,000 deer per year in Washington. I remember a few decades ago when the WDFW estimated the cougar population at 2000 which means they have allowed the cougar population to expand by 50% to 100% which means cougar are eating 50% to 100% more deer in Washington than they used to eat.
To add insult to injury, WDFW is setting seasons based on the studies of a professor who does not support hunting. Any guesses the direction that cougar and deer numbers will continue? :bash:
Post by: nocklehead on June 19, 2013, 10:01:25 AM
I would bet in a lot of those areas they have a poaching problem.
:yeah: I used to live around there and know for sure there are alot of backyard hunters who get a little too greedy.
....and these are the same guys who dont bearhunt , because they dont see the point with all those backstraps in the freezer. In fact most hunters I know dont actively predator hunt, they dont see themselves as stewards of the land anymore, they figure thats wdfw job.
Post by: huntnphool on June 19, 2013, 10:24:11 AM
Some simple math based on government statistics.Exactly right Dale, according to his study, and WDFW's new cougar plan, we have actually been "over harvesting" them. :o
3000 to 4000 Statewide Cougar Population
Cougar eat 25 to 50 deer per year according to studies
This means cougar are eating somewhere between 75,000 and 200,000 deer per year in Washington. I remember a few decades ago when the WDFW estimated the cougar population at 2000 which means they have allowed the cougar population to expand by 50% to 100% which means cougar are eating 50% to 100% more deer in Washington than they used to eat.
To add insult to injury, WDFW is setting seasons based on the studies of a professor who does not support hunting. Any guesses the direction that cougar and deer numbers will continue? :bash:
Post by: Rooster1981 on June 19, 2013, 10:48:36 AM
Some simple math based on government statistics.Exactly right Dale, according to his study, and WDFW's new cougar plan, we have actually been "over harvesting" them. :o
3000 to 4000 Statewide Cougar Population
Cougar eat 25 to 50 deer per year according to studies
This means cougar are eating somewhere between 75,000 and 200,000 deer per year in Washington. I remember a few decades ago when the WDFW estimated the cougar population at 2000 which means they have allowed the cougar population to expand by 50% to 100% which means cougar are eating 50% to 100% more deer in Washington than they used to eat.
To add insult to injury, WDFW is setting seasons based on the studies of a professor who does not support hunting. Any guesses the direction that cougar and deer numbers will continue? :bash:
I know right, my deer area is closed to cougar hunting period. Apparently its been over harvested and now the deer herds in my spot are at its lowest numbers in the last ten years :bash: Oh but theres lots of cougar scat with deer hair in it everywhere you look.
Post by: Humptulips on June 19, 2013, 11:36:20 AM
How point restrictions and more drawings is going to increase the size of the deer herd is beyond me.
What has really changed since the "good old days". No point restrictions, more hunters and less drawings back then. What has changed is less logging, and end to hound hunting wich has caused cougar numbers to go through the roof and a ban on foot traps ( we used to trap thousands of coyotes in this state).
So what can WDFW do? Land management is out of their hands. Hound hunting and trapping are not going to change without Legislative action. WDFW might do what they could on that but Legislative changes must come form the people.
Here's a couple things I think they could do.
They should eliminate doe tags in a lot of areas. Doe tags are usually used to reduce a maxed out population. Not a common problem in WA.
Increase the cougar harvest by allowing multiple tags per person, eliminate their new quota system, lengthening the season and here's a new one for you. Allow you to legally trap cougar. Yes they could do it. I've researched it.
As an added benefit to growing the deer population maybe WEYCO would be a little more hunter friendly if the deer were chewing on their trees.
Post by: Curly on June 19, 2013, 11:45:28 AM
Here's a couple things I think they could do.
They should eliminate doe tags in a lot of areas. Doe tags are usually used to reduce a maxed out population. Not a common problem in WA.
Increase the cougar harvest by allowing multiple tags per person, eliminate their new quota system, lengthening the season and here's a new one for you. Allow you to legally trap cougar. Yes they could do it. I've researched it.
As an added benefit to growing the deer population maybe WEYCO would be a little more hunter friendly if the deer were chewing on their trees.
:yeah: