Post by: h20hunter on April 22, 2013, 12:05:40 PM
So...here is my idea for a mount on the fin of the ball. The "legs" of the camera case are 3mm...the gap is 3.5mm. I've got about a square foot of 1/2 inch thick plastic board that is very strong. The idea is to slide it over the fin, run two bolts, and a singe bolt through the "W" at the top creating a secure mount. Then, it is just a matter of playing around to see what angle you need to tilt it to capture the action with X amount of distance from camer to gear.
Post by: hogslayer on April 22, 2013, 12:15:32 PM
Post by: h20hunter on April 22, 2013, 12:18:15 PM
Got links? Youtube? How far back was your gear visible from the camera? How deep on a good day did you have enough light? Was it hard to angle the camera to see the gear? Details details!
Post by: h20hunter on April 22, 2013, 12:31:50 PM
Underwater salmon Trolling wild Action GoPro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phuENXNGDG0#ws)
Post by: Becky on April 22, 2013, 02:00:18 PM
Post by: h20hunter on April 22, 2013, 02:04:12 PM
Post by: Becky on April 22, 2013, 02:07:20 PM
The "silver" comes with it.....I'll keep you and the Mr posted...I was going to ask him to work on this for me but in the mean time I've got a slap of material and a plan of attack.
I wasn't sure which one you decided on :) yea can't wait to see videos and such. He tried out the dive housing on our hike for the first time yesterday and it was pretty neat, CRYSTAL clear underwater, he taped this underground spring we found and some baby salmon out of a hatchery. Random stuff, looked cool though lol.
Post by: whacker1 on April 22, 2013, 02:21:21 PM
Post by: h20hunter on April 22, 2013, 02:24:20 PM
Post by: whacker1 on April 22, 2013, 02:25:39 PM
Post by: h20hunter on April 22, 2013, 02:30:20 PM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on April 22, 2013, 02:56:01 PM
At Midchannel we tested them. The fish shape hit bottom at 106 or so in 100 feet of water. The Round balls were near 116.
Currents on bottom arnt always the same as on top. But I believe your a diver so you know this.
I also think you will have problems tunning them to swim correct and not vear into the boat or out away to much. They may even swivel 90 degrees or back and forth unless you run your release clip from the ball itself. (Which I dont)
They will also tilt the cam back. So you will have a heck of a time if the current/speed is slow vs fast I think.
Id look to a "T" style build. Say 16 ga stainless with a 16 ga top.
Post by: h20hunter on April 22, 2013, 02:59:51 PM
Also, just occured to me....I bet I could fastion a "V" that would sit in front of the cam...on top of the ball....that would greatly cut down on the drag.
Post by: Smossy on April 22, 2013, 06:10:38 PM
I think it would be a good place to start. Small clamp on lamp, Metal Housing preferably.
The O ring on the back will need to be somehow designed so that it can be secured at X height. Maybe just use wire clamps on top/bottom of where you want placement. It will allow for low drag, Torpedo style trolling, With still being able to aim the camera up/down inside of the housing. Can even do a white bottom/black or dark blue top to reduce chance of being spotted by trolling fish.
Kinda like a great white shark.
Add a fin to the bottom, add a long narrow weight on the inside of the housing on the bottom to reduce wobble and keep the camera centered, basically a counter weight. Could even add a secondary attachment line on the bottom of the housing down to the downrigger to keep it centered and facing upright. Maybe add a fin. on top and bottom with a weight, I imagine that should work to. Well have to play and start testing.
PM me with any further ideas, drawings, etc.
Post by: mallard79 on April 22, 2013, 09:49:58 PM
Post by: JohnVH on April 22, 2013, 09:54:00 PM
Post by: h20hunter on April 22, 2013, 10:05:39 PM
Smossy....ill take a look tomorrow when im not on my phone.
Post by: TommyH on April 22, 2013, 10:07:25 PM
Post by: JohnVH on April 22, 2013, 10:08:51 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 22, 2013, 11:04:06 PM
extra tether to what?From the Gopro to the down-rigger wire. Just in-case there is a failure.
Post by: Big D on April 23, 2013, 01:04:09 AM
They are expensive at $150.00 but well worth it I think. I'll be ordering mine soon.
http://trollpro.com/ (http://trollpro.com/)
Post by: Lungbuster on April 23, 2013, 01:27:01 AM
Post by: Smossy on April 23, 2013, 05:26:53 AM
Or, you could purchase one of these:Ive already seen that. Were trying to avoid spending that much being as the cameras already spendy itself.. Can spend 10-30$ in parts and build our own.
They are expensive at $150.00 but well worth it I think. I'll be ordering mine soon.
http://trollpro.com/ (http://trollpro.com/)
Post by: Smossy on April 23, 2013, 05:30:01 AM
Ive seen those on ebay for $100 every now and then. Ive also seen that housing made from ABS reducer, pipe and a cap for the true DIY'er. I would definately make it big enough to where you can put the dive housing on for under water though.Its a 3 so it comes with a built in dive housing. Im developing h2os based off that model. It looks like a clamp on lamp to me. Thats where I got the idea. Can get metel tin and cut it to fit as a fin. This is more a DIY thread not lets take the easy route and spend lots of money.
Post by: Smossy on April 23, 2013, 05:50:48 AM
Post by: h20hunter on April 23, 2013, 06:14:22 AM
Post by: Smossy on April 23, 2013, 06:51:00 AM
Post by: JohnVH on April 23, 2013, 07:45:07 AM
extra tether to what?From the Gopro to the down-rigger wire. Just in-case there is a failure.
My fear out in the salt is when you loose the cannon ball, dont know if a tether would save the gopro that way either.
Post by: h20hunter on April 23, 2013, 07:48:58 AM
Post by: hogslayer on April 23, 2013, 07:54:34 AM
Post by: h20hunter on April 23, 2013, 08:02:43 AM
Here is my idea for a drag reducer. Just in front of the camera I would fashion a shield in the shape of a "V"...inside the V would be a cylinder that I could easily run a bolt down into the ball. Here is a very very rough drawing.
Post by: h20hunter on April 23, 2013, 12:05:40 PM
Post by: JohnVH on April 23, 2013, 12:26:52 PM
GoPRo Crabbing in Puget Sound (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjG0TDETmtw#ws)
Post by: h20hunter on April 23, 2013, 12:28:21 PM
By the way...if you have any scrap pvc laying around let me know. My torpedo will need a short piece of 3 or 4 inch...the tube will be maybe half that and only about 6 inches long....hopeing to have a taper from cam housing to shaft to look pretty and be more streamline.
Post by: JohnVH on April 23, 2013, 12:31:05 PM
Post by: Curly on April 23, 2013, 12:50:26 PM
How are fishing shows getting underwater footage, using a go pro on the end of a wand perhaps? Or are they using different types of cameras?
Yeah, on the end of a pole. Here is a Youtube vid where the guy says he had a Go Pro cam on the end of a pole:
Quote
Anyway for the underwater shots I used the Go Pro Hero HD cam and mounted on a pole. I used the Canon XH A1 for all the other shots.
THE LONGLINER SHOW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyztY0aQk5U#)
Post by: snocohunter on April 23, 2013, 03:23:09 PM
Post by: h20hunter on April 23, 2013, 03:30:43 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 23, 2013, 04:28:54 PM
Part of the fun is the building. I can see in my mind the finished product torpedo....all painted up with flasher tape on the sides.I got a feeling ours are going to be very much alike sir. Lol.
Post by: mallard79 on April 23, 2013, 04:37:13 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 23, 2013, 04:46:19 PM
I cut the end off of a golf club and welded a tab to the end of the steel shaft to mount the 3m mount to. Worked good. Took the kids on a float down the river and just held it close to the bottom and when we watched it later we saw a few fish we didn't notice when we floated over them. Got a few underwater shots of the sharks we caught last summer. I will be building a longer pole for this falls humpy and silver seasons. I gotta work on my filming though. :chuckle:I have my gopole for that. Extends from 17 to 40 inches. I have a video I made the other day at a salmon hatchery. Once I get time to edit into a cool lil video Ill post it up for everyone.
Post by: snocohunter on April 23, 2013, 07:18:20 PM
Post by: Lungbuster on April 24, 2013, 01:04:34 AM
try this
Post by: h20hunter on April 24, 2013, 06:01:56 AM
Post by: Smossy on April 24, 2013, 11:34:37 AM
Post by: Smossy on April 24, 2013, 11:55:13 AM
The rest is self explanatory. But Ill keep designing little blueprints in-case people want to follow this thread.
Post by: h20hunter on April 24, 2013, 12:09:39 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 24, 2013, 12:11:53 PM
GoPro in hand. I agree with your basics there Smossy. I have two ides for the cam mount....I'll try and get what I have in mind. The one in the link above simply uses the camera tripod mount. That looks fairly secure. I've also got an idea for a safety tether as well.That original design from my research actually has a built in tether on the inside of the torpedo, That goes from the camera mount to the bolt at the back, just in-case the screw in GoPro feature fails. But that doesn't stop you from losing the whole torpedo itself.
Post by: h20hunter on April 24, 2013, 12:15:59 PM
Post by: snocohunter on April 24, 2013, 02:09:56 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 24, 2013, 02:18:12 PM
My plan when i build one, is to A) Tether go pro to the pod, and B) Tether the pod to a point higher up the DR line with a spring style clip like we would attach when running doubles on a single DR. Even if you lose the ball, or your mount point to the ball, you're still attached to the line.Not a bad Idea.
Post by: snocohunter on April 24, 2013, 02:22:01 PM
My plan when i build one, is to A) Tether go pro to the pod, and B) Tether the pod to a point higher up the DR line with a spring style clip like we would attach when running doubles on a single DR. Even if you lose the ball, or your mount point to the ball, you're still attached to the line.Not a bad Idea.
I have them on rare occasion. Bottom line, is i have to come to grips with the fact that I could lose a gopro. My hero2 can be had for around $150 now but i think the footage will be priceless. I'm also wondering if there is a way to build a "life jacket" around the GP housing, or a buoy attached somehow inside the pod. Then it would in theory be buoyant and come to the top if it detached. Just thinking out loud here.
Post by: Smossy on April 24, 2013, 02:27:29 PM
Sure there is, Just get a Gopro Floaty backdoor, I have one on my Dive Housing.My plan when i build one, is to A) Tether go pro to the pod, and B) Tether the pod to a point higher up the DR line with a spring style clip like we would attach when running doubles on a single DR. Even if you lose the ball, or your mount point to the ball, you're still attached to the line.Not a bad Idea.
I have them on rare occasion. Bottom line, is i have to come to grips with the fact that I could lose a gopro. My hero2 can be had for around $150 now but i think the footage will be priceless. I'm also wondering if there is a way to build a "life jacket" around the GP housing, or a buoy attached somehow inside the pod. Then it would in theory be buoyant and come to the top if it detached. Just thinking out loud here.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.murrays.com%2Fmm5%2Fgraphics%2F00000001%2F52-2307.jpg&hash=15d348c0a0eff2a12737c4dac2be18aa7c684334)
It would create buoyancy in the Torpedo though, but not much. Its pretty strong if its mostly just the camera. I've tested it.
Post by: h20hunter on April 24, 2013, 02:30:20 PM
Problem with the floaty is there would not be enough lift to bring the whole thing up.
Post by: Smossy on April 24, 2013, 02:35:47 PM
I'm thinking of an eyebolt at the top of housing with a heavy bungee downrigger shock cord attached to the cable above the ball....If I hang up with my torpedo I'll attach some floats and leave the whole damn downrigger floating (manual crank). I'd just head into Edmonds, show my cert card, and return with full dive gear to get my set up.Yeah not the whole torpedo. If the camera failed, and You didnt have a tether on the inside the torpedo. It would have enough float to bring the camera alone to the surface, but good luck finding something that small.
Problem with the floaty is there would not be enough lift to bring the whole thing up.
What you said is a great Idea though. Id never have though of that. I dont dive :X
Post by: snocohunter on April 24, 2013, 03:27:59 PM
Post by: h20hunter on April 24, 2013, 03:28:48 PM
Post by: JohnVH on April 24, 2013, 03:37:41 PM
Listen to us disaster prepping for losing this whole rig. I've bounced many a lead ball off the bottom up around the racetrack on the edge and never lost a ball, but many times getting a strike :-) So i'm not TOOOO worried about it. Now when it comes to mounting on my rc airplane, well that's a whole different story.
why?
Crashing the profile with the GoPro on it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd9BiOaG70U#ws)
Cloud surfing with the Zebro52 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRJ4C20JKy8#ws)
Post by: snocohunter on April 24, 2013, 03:49:34 PM
Post by: h20hunter on April 24, 2013, 08:59:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1HfUZaHt34&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1HfUZaHt34&feature=youtu.be)
Post by: JohnVH on April 24, 2013, 09:02:18 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 24, 2013, 09:26:24 PM
I dig how the new ones arent so fish eyed
Ok....GoPro3 has been updated, charged and tested. I'm very impressed with the video quality. Here is the test clip. Nothing fancy....just the boy taking a lap around "the pit" on his bike.Were you recording on 960?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1HfUZaHt34&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1HfUZaHt34&feature=youtu.be)
I notice there's the infamous black lines on the sides, that's the same reason some people don't use certain resolutions.
Post by: h20hunter on April 24, 2013, 09:29:36 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 24, 2013, 09:31:23 PM
Cabela's Rotating Timelapse - Gopro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGLHR6jFdnM#ws)
Photo taken every 5 seconds. On a modified kitchen timer mount.
Put together into a video at 12fps.
Post by: Smossy on April 24, 2013, 09:33:52 PM
Kinda cool, you can see the fish swimming around in the middle.
Puyallup Waters - Gopro + Dive House (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoI2pg8oJ3Y#ws)
Post by: lokidog on April 24, 2013, 10:03:07 PM
I just threw this together, This is how its actually assembled. Just in-case anyone needs basic directions.
The rest is self explanatory. But Ill keep designing little blueprints in-case people want to follow this thread.
What if instead of putting a nosecone on the pvc tube, you inserted the ball directly into the tube? If you found a good fit, you could screw the tube directly to the ball with a slit in the top of the tube for the attaching ring on the ball. Not sure if this is clear, I'm too tired to figure out drawing it tonight.
Post by: JohnVH on April 25, 2013, 07:35:57 AM
Here's my test Timelapse at Cabelas the other day.
what kind of mount turns like that?
Post by: h20hunter on April 25, 2013, 07:38:34 AM
Post by: h20hunter on April 25, 2013, 09:13:29 AM
I am going to putter this weekend with a torpedo build...I think that is going to be the best way to keep it fairly weed free, tracking straight, and fairly streamlined.
Post by: Smossy on April 25, 2013, 12:21:05 PM
Custom made one I put together out of a kitchen timer :chuckle:Here's my test Timelapse at Cabelas the other day.
what kind of mount turns like that?
Post by: h20hunter on April 25, 2013, 12:22:50 PM
I got a text from my wife....the boy is ready to do another "racing" video....going to be a fun summer with our new toy.
Post by: Smossy on April 25, 2013, 12:25:09 PM
Smossy...that is genius!Yeah and it was setup to take a photo every 5 seconds, 2 seconds would be a more fluid video once put together but I was just testing. It gives a great rotating style motion and lets you watch the clouds and everyone go crazy :chuckle: Ill take a picture of it in a bit and show you guys. I just worked last night on my first actual video that I think turned out great. Let me know what you think H2o, Its of me and my ladies hike.
I got a text from my wife....the boy is ready to do another "racing" video....going to be a fun summer with our new toy.
Clark Creek Trail, WA - Gopro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z06sDKQ3U8#ws)
Post by: h20hunter on April 25, 2013, 12:34:48 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 25, 2013, 01:03:03 PM
Nice video......some gunky look'n water. I kept wanting you to jump in and go for a snokle. Whats with the bubbling springs?No idea, Just that... Bubbling springs. Never seen nothin like it in my life. I even stuck the gopro down 4 feet into it to see if there was a waterflow but it was just darkness so I took it out lol
Post by: Smossy on April 25, 2013, 01:03:34 PM
Post by: h20hunter on April 25, 2013, 01:11:39 PM
I'm hoping to have some test footage from my 'pedo prototype over the weekend.
Post by: Smossy on April 25, 2013, 01:17:09 PM
Yep....for how nasty the water looked it sure was clear.Get 'r' dun!
I'm hoping to have some test footage from my 'pedo prototype over the weekend.
Post by: gaddy on April 25, 2013, 01:19:41 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 25, 2013, 01:23:17 PM
that was cool smossy, i love those under water shots. even though its not that deep its a total different world.Yeah. Love the dive house for the Hero 2. Its crystal clear. Specially if you have the PC to watch it in 1080 :chuckle: Unfortunately I can barely watch things in 720.
Post by: lokidog on April 25, 2013, 08:55:36 PM
Ed.....I see where you are going....Throw up a sketch buddy!
Here you go.
Post by: h20hunter on April 26, 2013, 07:18:23 AM
Also....for anyone that has been wanting to make a purchase here is the link to where I bought my GoPro3 Black Edition.
http://www.speedwaremotorsports.com/tuning-and-track/motorsports-camera-mounts?manufacturer=74 (http://www.speedwaremotorsports.com/tuning-and-track/motorsports-camera-mounts?manufacturer=74)
The price shown on the website for this package is $399.00.......the same as everyone else. However, they advertise on CL as well as their own website for 359.00 plus tax. Total price out the door is about $398.00. This is the best deal you will find anywhere I've seen for GoPro cameras. They are a reputable shop and the transaction was smooth and easy.
Post by: snocohunter on April 26, 2013, 01:25:27 PM
Post by: h20hunter on April 27, 2013, 10:18:52 AM
Post by: lokidog on April 27, 2013, 11:57:37 AM
Post by: h20hunter on April 27, 2013, 12:00:51 PM
Post by: h20hunter on April 27, 2013, 04:19:09 PM
Pool test: GoPro3 Black underwater trolling housing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQZC0deJIhU#)
Post by: lokidog on April 27, 2013, 04:38:08 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 27, 2013, 04:52:33 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on April 27, 2013, 05:15:30 PM
Post by: h20hunter on April 27, 2013, 05:33:35 PM
Post by: JohnVH on April 30, 2013, 09:28:54 AM
Howd the lake trials go?
Post by: Smossy on April 30, 2013, 01:04:38 PM
where is a cheap place to get an underwater housing for a gopro1-2?Amazon is where I got mine.
Howd the lake trials go?
Post by: h20hunter on April 30, 2013, 01:07:07 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 30, 2013, 01:08:17 PM
Haven't been able to make it to the lake....Probably Friday evening is the soonest. Sealed all the pieces together and am going to prime, paint it, add prizm tape, and make it pretty prior to lake testing.Shoulda used white pvc. Then you coulda dyed it.
Post by: h20hunter on April 30, 2013, 01:10:51 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 30, 2013, 01:17:55 PM
That was the plan...for the white...but they didn't have the reduction end for the housing. So, I went with what they had. Thanks for the reminder though....gotta snag a box from work for my "paint booth".Paint is going to flake, Unless you HEAVILY sand down the entire surface of the pipe. Im talking 80 grit style. Thats why a DYE would work better, It penetrates deeper then paint. That way if it gets smacked around on rocks or the ground it wont lose its color. You should have added a coupling over the pipe in the middle to make it all fit together flush so there's not that dip from end to end. But if it works it works, Not really a big deal.
Post by: h20hunter on April 30, 2013, 01:20:10 PM
Post by: smdave on April 30, 2013, 01:24:55 PM
Post by: h20hunter on April 30, 2013, 01:25:49 PM
Post by: Skillet on April 30, 2013, 01:39:47 PM
Looks cool. :tup:
If you wanted to get really fancy, could you put some battery powered infra red LED's on the inside of that lip around the camera to illuminate the lure in low light? :dunno:
Post by: h20hunter on April 30, 2013, 01:43:47 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 30, 2013, 01:48:02 PM
Is that the same BIL that threw an exploding bag of flounder onto my back deck?? I see the camera adds more than 10#'s...No need, you'd be surprised at how much light these pick up. Specialy if you activate spot metering option for low light conditions.
Looks cool. :tup:
If you wanted to get really fancy, could you put some battery powered infra red LED's on the inside of that lip around the camera to illuminate the lure in low light? :dunno:
Heres at 60-100 feet of water with overcast.
SALMON STRIKE 2! - Downrigger Footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGOx0az3hUE#ws)
Post by: h20hunter on April 30, 2013, 01:48:48 PM
Post by: Smossy on April 30, 2013, 01:52:58 PM
Smossy....I've watched that one a few time....thats what I'm going for.You'll be fine with the camera's built in capabilities. Just turn on spot metering.
This is a way of making the camera set the exposure based on what is in the middle of the frame not the average brightness of the whole shot.
Should increase picture quality and color deeper down where there is less light.
Post by: h20hunter on May 12, 2013, 11:08:52 AM
Post by: h20hunter on May 12, 2013, 12:30:32 PM
GoPro Trolling Housing Test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1EGOlTbhbw#)
Post by: Kola16 on May 12, 2013, 12:42:50 PM
Post by: johnr060 on May 12, 2013, 01:15:59 PM
Post by: Netminder01 on May 12, 2013, 01:41:46 PM
PM sent H20.
Post by: iRem on May 12, 2013, 01:43:10 PM
Post by: snocohunter on May 12, 2013, 03:49:01 PM
Post by: h20hunter on May 12, 2013, 06:53:00 PM
I used the standard black pvc pipe for construction. Camera housing end is a 4 inch reduction flange to 2 inch. 2 inch pipe with a standard cap. Total length is about a foot. The cap has a stainless "U" bolt that is sunk all the way. Inside I used Teflon spacers and stainless nuts with lock washers to hold it tight. The end clasp is a standard stainless type connector. Total expense including the glue was about $50............you can save some money by not buying stainless of course. The camera is mounted in the cupped end with a stock GoPro tripod camera mount. For easy of installation I just picked a spot in the cupped part, drilled, and mounted the tripod mount. I used two different sized washers under the camera mount to take up space between the mount and the curve of the housing. Below is a stainless bolt with lock washer as well. Drill a small hole in the side of the housing so you can insert a phillps head screwdriver to hold the screw while tightening the nut on the opposite side of the camera base. I used a stainless bolt with washers and locking nut for the camera mounting.
I would suggest test fitting your parts prior to glue. See how it clips into the rigger ball to make sure when you clip it on the cam is not on its side or anything. Then.....fit it up and glue it together. I covered mine with reflective prism tape. Probably don't need to but for kicks and giggles I did.
Post by: Greenhorn on May 12, 2013, 11:37:05 PM
Post by: h20hunter on May 13, 2013, 07:45:02 AM
Post by: h20hunter on May 13, 2013, 12:03:56 PM
I think the odds of hooking up a Koke on cam are pretty slim. I think they are way to boat shy...maybe if you are fishing much deeper. Humpies and silvers should be fun.
Post by: mallard79 on May 13, 2013, 03:00:54 PM
Post by: h20hunter on May 13, 2013, 03:01:48 PM
Post by: Smossy on August 25, 2019, 02:01:06 PM
Stay tuned because Im gonna build one.
Post by: h20hunter on August 25, 2019, 04:50:36 PM