Post by: 180-GRAIN on April 23, 2013, 08:34:27 AM
Post by: whacker1 on April 23, 2013, 08:40:53 AM
Post by: bobcat on April 23, 2013, 08:46:39 AM
Here's the text from the regulations:
Who May Apply: Anyone may apply, except those who have previously harvested a moose in Washington state (for exceptions,see below) An individual may only harvest one moose during his or her lifetime However,this restriction is waived for hunters who have previously harvested a moose under an antlerless-only, master- hunter, raffle or auction hunt permit.
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2013, 08:48:51 AM
Quote
Who May Apply: Anyone may apply,
except those who have previously harvested
a moose in Washington state (for
exceptions, see below). An individual may
only harvest one moose during his or her
lifetime. However, this restriction is waived
for hunters who have previously harvested
a moose under an antlerless-only, masterhunter,
raffle or auction hunt permit.
There are no related exceptions below that I could see.
:dunno:
Post by: benhuntin on April 23, 2013, 08:50:51 AM
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2013, 08:53:03 AM
The way I read that if you have killed a bull on a regular permit you are done. And that makes good sense to me.
But if you've killed a cow 1st, you are not done?
Thats what I read.
Not sure where the logic is in that. Maybe I'll start applying for cow permits and ghost point the bull till I have a whole bunch of points. Hopefully I can pull a cow tag 1st, That way I can shoot 2.
>:(
Post by: bobcat on April 23, 2013, 08:58:06 AM
Post by: bobcat on April 23, 2013, 09:00:57 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on April 23, 2013, 09:02:21 AM
Post by: benhuntin on April 23, 2013, 09:20:51 AM
How does the youth catagory fit in to all of this?youth is an antlerless so you are good to keep putting in.
Post by: 180-GRAIN on April 23, 2013, 10:42:50 AM
The way I read that if you have killed a bull on a regular permit you are done. And that makes good sense to me.This is how I read it also. I took a bull in 2009. They let people that previously harvested a bull apply for antlerless tags the 3 years after that and it looks like they are putting an end to that this year if I read it right. I did check my wild I'd profile and antlerless moose is an option I can purchase but so is handicapped moose?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 23, 2013, 10:51:11 AM
Post by: bobcat on April 23, 2013, 11:02:20 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 23, 2013, 11:09:44 AM
Post by: kentrek on April 23, 2013, 11:15:13 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 23, 2013, 11:20:34 AM
Post by: Dr. Death on April 23, 2013, 11:51:04 AM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on April 23, 2013, 12:13:54 PM
If you get a Bull Tag, you can still get a Cow tag...I got a Bull tag last year, I just logged onto the State Site and can purchase a cow permit. The bull permit is gone from my choices...Mine shows that 2 and I took a bull a couple years back. However it states only one moose may be taken in a lifetime. This is waived only for auction, raffle, master hunter or previous antlerless hunts. That's what I'm confused about is why can I still buy the antlerless hunt option? I don't want to buy it build points for 10 years and draw a tag only to have the game department tell me I cannot be issued the tag. Another option that it shows I'm able to buy and apply for is handicapped? Last time I checked I'm all good and healthy. I think the licensing may have a glitch or to in the game departments favor in the way of funds.
Post by: huntnphool on April 23, 2013, 01:07:39 PM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on April 23, 2013, 01:15:05 PM
I purchased one.I probably will to lol. I sent an email to the game department regarding this topic so hopefully they will get back to me with an answer. I'm not banking on it though. I would like to get drawn for a cow permit moose are really fun to hunt and she would look nice on the wall next to my bull. Plus they are dam good eating!
Post by: huntnphool on April 23, 2013, 01:17:26 PM
not sure what all the discussion is about. :dunno: If you have drawn a bull tag you can still apply and draw a cow tag.I purchased one.I probably will to lol. I sent an email to the game department regarding this topic so hopefully they will get back to me with an answer. I'm not banking on it though. I would like to get drawn for a cow permit moose are really fun to hunt and she would look nice on the wall next to my bull. Plus they are dam good eating!
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2013, 01:21:32 PM
QuoteWho May Apply: Anyone may apply,
except those who have previously harvested
a moose in Washington state (for
exceptions, see below). An individual may
only harvest one moose during his or her
lifetime. However, this restriction is waived
for hunters who have previously harvested
a moose under an antlerless-only, masterhunter,
raffle or auction hunt permit.
There are no related exceptions below that I could see.
:dunno:
Post by: 180-GRAIN on April 23, 2013, 01:22:43 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2013, 01:23:52 PM
not sure what all the discussion is about. :dunno: If you have drawn a bull tag you can still apply and draw a cow tag.I purchased one.I probably will to lol. I sent an email to the game department regarding this topic so hopefully they will get back to me with an answer. I'm not banking on it though. I would like to get drawn for a cow permit moose are really fun to hunt and she would look nice on the wall next to my bull. Plus they are dam good eating!
It has changed this year. It was in the proposals that were out before the reg's were finalized and it pretty clearly states that you can only kill 1 moose in your lifetime unless you've harvested an antlerless moose. See my post above.
Post by: 180-GRAIN on April 23, 2013, 01:32:23 PM
Thats exactly the way I read it to. I was just checking to see if I was missing something or if anybody had any info we were not aware of. It's stated pretty clearly right there though looks like some of us are out a few points and a little money on the antlerless hunts!not sure what all the discussion is about. :dunno: If you have drawn a bull tag you can still apply and draw a cow tag.I purchased one.I probably will to lol. I sent an email to the game department regarding this topic so hopefully they will get back to me with an answer. I'm not banking on it though. I would like to get drawn for a cow permit moose are really fun to hunt and she would look nice on the wall next to my bull. Plus they are dam good eating!
It has changed this year. It was in the proposals that were out before the reg's were finalized and it pretty clearly states that you can only kill 1 moose in your lifetime unless you've harvested an antlerless moose. See my post above.
Post by: huntnphool on April 23, 2013, 01:33:58 PM
if that's the case then WDFW owes us a refund.Thats exactly the way I read it to. I was just checking to see if I was missing something or if anybody had any info we were not aware of. It's stated pretty clearly right there though looks like some of us are out a few points and a little money on the antlerless hunts!not sure what all the discussion is about. :dunno: If you have drawn a bull tag you can still apply and draw a cow tag.I purchased one.I probably will to lol. I sent an email to the game department regarding this topic so hopefully they will get back to me with an answer. I'm not banking on it though. I would like to get drawn for a cow permit moose are really fun to hunt and she would look nice on the wall next to my bull. Plus they are dam good eating!
It has changed this year. It was in the proposals that were out before the reg's were finalized and it pretty clearly states that you can only kill 1 moose in your lifetime unless you've harvested an antlerless moose. See my post above.
Post by: cem3434 on April 23, 2013, 01:35:15 PM
not sure what all the discussion is about. :dunno: If you have drawn a bull tag you can still apply and draw a cow tag.I purchased one.I probably will to lol. I sent an email to the game department regarding this topic so hopefully they will get back to me with an answer. I'm not banking on it though. I would like to get drawn for a cow permit moose are really fun to hunt and she would look nice on the wall next to my bull. Plus they are dam good eating!
It has changed this year. It was in the proposals that were out before the reg's were finalized and it pretty clearly states that you can only kill 1 moose in your lifetime unless you've harvested an antlerless moose. See my post above.
So you are reading it as: If you have never harvested a moose and you drew a cow tag this year and filled your cow tag, then you can never harvest a bull? Is this the question you are asking?
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2013, 01:39:06 PM
not sure what all the discussion is about. :dunno: If you have drawn a bull tag you can still apply and draw a cow tag.I purchased one.I probably will to lol. I sent an email to the game department regarding this topic so hopefully they will get back to me with an answer. I'm not banking on it though. I would like to get drawn for a cow permit moose are really fun to hunt and she would look nice on the wall next to my bull. Plus they are dam good eating!
It has changed this year. It was in the proposals that were out before the reg's were finalized and it pretty clearly states that you can only kill 1 moose in your lifetime unless you've harvested an antlerless moose. See my post above.
So you are reading it as: If you have never harvested a moose and you drew a cow tag this year and filled your cow tag, then you can never harvest a bull? Is this the question you are asking?
I am reading it as saying....if you have killed a cow moose, you can keep applying. If you have killed a bull, you're all done. One and done.
Post by: cem3434 on April 23, 2013, 01:45:34 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 23, 2013, 01:46:07 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2013, 01:48:08 PM
I wonder how long till all cow tags are eliminated.
Post by: 180-GRAIN on April 23, 2013, 02:36:45 PM
I wonder if it's because they told us we could still kill a bull if we killed a cow for a couple years. Now there's guys drawing cow tags and applying for bull tags thinking they can get both. Can't go back on them now and tell them "sorry, mr. moose hunter, you already got your one and only moose and it was a cow". The guys who have killed bulls are SOL on the cow because they got their bull already.The guys that shot cows can still get their bull...not fair regardless of how you look at it but I wonder.When the wolves start wiping out our herds!
I wonder how long till all cow tags are eliminated.
Post by: MtnMuley on April 23, 2013, 03:46:08 PM
I purchased one.
I can't believe WDFW is going to allow you the chance to harvest another antlerless moose!
Post by: huntnphool on April 23, 2013, 03:53:27 PM
:tup:I purchased one.
I can't believe WDFW is going to allow you the chance to harvest another antlerless moose!
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2013, 03:54:24 PM
:tup:I purchased one.
I can't believe WDFW is going to allow you the chance to harvest another antlerless moose!
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: 6x6in6 on April 23, 2013, 04:00:32 PM
:tup:I purchased one.
I can't believe WDFW is going to allow you the chance to harvest another antlerless moose!
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Now that's some funny stuff right there!! :chuckle:
Post by: Bob33 on April 23, 2013, 04:23:21 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 23, 2013, 04:25:10 PM
:tup:I purchased one.
I can't believe WDFW is going to allow you the chance to harvest another antlerless moose!
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Now that's some funny stuff right there!! :chuckle:
:chuckle: Good stuff right there :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2013, 04:26:33 PM
Anyone can apply for antlerless only permits even if you have harvested a bull.Source?
Post by: KopperBuck on April 23, 2013, 04:32:47 PM
Post by: Feanix on April 23, 2013, 04:37:16 PM
CR-102
To me, it's still a little ambiguous, because in the proposal section, the punctuation makes it read as if the exemption is only for master hunter, raffle and auction antlerless permits, but in the WAC there is a comma instead of a colon and it reads as Bob33 stated.
They should have just put "those who have harvested a moose under an 'Any Moose' tag are not eligible to apply in that category again during their lifetime."
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2013, 05:08:10 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/help/questions/322/Who+is+ineligible+to+purchase+a+special+hunt+permit+application+for+mountain+goat%2C+bighorn+sheep%2C+or+moose%3F (http://wdfw.wa.gov/help/questions/322/Who+is+ineligible+to+purchase+a+special+hunt+permit+application+for+mountain+goat%2C+bighorn+sheep%2C+or+moose%3F)
Last Updated
18th of September, 2012
Post by: cem3434 on April 23, 2013, 05:23:10 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/help/questions/322/Who+is+ineligible+to+purchase+a+special+hunt+permit+application+for+mountain+goat%2C+bighorn+sheep%2C+or+moose%3F (http://wdfw.wa.gov/help/questions/322/Who+is+ineligible+to+purchase+a+special+hunt+permit+application+for+mountain+goat%2C+bighorn+sheep%2C+or+moose%3F)
Last Updated
18th of September, 2012
If that is what is available at the time they put our the 2013 regulations, then they should go by those. Often many State and local government agencies dont update there specifications, rules, etc on a yearly basis. I think you are good to go! :tup:
Post by: Bob33 on April 23, 2013, 05:48:39 PM
Essentially true. However, if you killed a bull moose with an auction or raffle permit, you may kill another.not sure what all the discussion is about. :dunno: If you have drawn a bull tag you can still apply and draw a cow tag.I purchased one.I probably will to lol. I sent an email to the game department regarding this topic so hopefully they will get back to me with an answer. I'm not banking on it though. I would like to get drawn for a cow permit moose are really fun to hunt and she would look nice on the wall next to my bull. Plus they are dam good eating!
It has changed this year. It was in the proposals that were out before the reg's were finalized and it pretty clearly states that you can only kill 1 moose in your lifetime unless you've harvested an antlerless moose. See my post above.
So you are reading it as: If you have never harvested a moose and you drew a cow tag this year and filled your cow tag, then you can never harvest a bull? Is this the question you are asking?
I am reading it as saying....if you have killed a cow moose, you can keep applying. If you have killed a bull, you're all done. One and done.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-28-273 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-28-273)
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2013, 06:36:40 PM
I'm confused. What about your other post in this thread?Essentially true. However, if you killed a bull moose with an auction or raffle permit, you may kill another.not sure what all the discussion is about. :dunno: If you have drawn a bull tag you can still apply and draw a cow tag.I purchased one.I probably will to lol. I sent an email to the game department regarding this topic so hopefully they will get back to me with an answer. I'm not banking on it though. I would like to get drawn for a cow permit moose are really fun to hunt and she would look nice on the wall next to my bull. Plus they are dam good eating!
It has changed this year. It was in the proposals that were out before the reg's were finalized and it pretty clearly states that you can only kill 1 moose in your lifetime unless you've harvested an antlerless moose. See my post above.
So you are reading it as: If you have never harvested a moose and you drew a cow tag this year and filled your cow tag, then you can never harvest a bull? Is this the question you are asking?
I am reading it as saying....if you have killed a cow moose, you can keep applying. If you have killed a bull, you're all done. One and done.
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-28-273 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-28-273)
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2013, 06:37:11 PM
Anyone can apply for antlerless only permits even if you have harvested a bull.
Post by: Bob33 on April 23, 2013, 06:44:12 PM
I don't understand the confusion.Anyone can apply for antlerless only permits even if you have harvested a bull.
If you have harvested a bull moose in Washington, you may not harvest a bull moose again unless it was killed on a raffle, auction, or master hunter permit. You may (with a valid permit) harvest an antlerless moose in an antlerless only hunt.
If you have harvested an antlerless moose in an antlerless only hunt, you may (with a valid permit) harvest another antlerless moose, or an antlered moose.
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2013, 06:46:36 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 23, 2013, 06:47:12 PM
But that is not what it says in the regulations.I go by the WAC. What part of it is not clear?
Post by: DeerThug on April 23, 2013, 06:48:59 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2013, 06:51:59 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 23, 2013, 06:54:18 PM
Here is the text from the 2013 regulations:
Anyone may apply,except those who have previously harvested a moose in Washington state (for exceptions, see below). An individual may only harvest one moose during his or her lifetime. However, this restriction is waived for hunters who have previously harvested a moose under an antlerless-only, masterhunter, raffle or auction hunt permit.
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2013, 07:01:47 PM
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2013, 07:04:28 PM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on April 23, 2013, 07:05:20 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 23, 2013, 07:07:12 PM
OK...we're missing each other somewhere here, Bob. Last year, a guy who has already killed a bull could apply for cow tags and kill a cow. They have changed that this year. The only way you can kill 2 moose now is if you've already killed a cow. Now...if you killed a bull, you're done. If you have killed a cow(antlerless), you can still apply for bull hunts. Unless I'm being a complete and utter dummy, thats what the regs say now.Ok. I think I can see the confusion. I do not believe it is meant to be interpreted that way.
Post by: huntnphool on April 23, 2013, 09:23:47 PM
How stupid would WDFW be to print regs that say one thing and have a online system that allows another? :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2013, 09:28:46 PM
Post by: huntnphool on April 23, 2013, 09:50:21 PM
Well...:chuckle: Doesn't really answer my question. ;)
Post by: Bob33 on April 23, 2013, 09:52:54 PM
The answer is that they don't make permit applications available to those who are not eligible.Well...:chuckle: Doesn't really answer my question. ;)
Post by: jackelope on April 23, 2013, 09:53:50 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 23, 2013, 10:18:03 PM
Hmmm...
Post by: huntnphool on April 23, 2013, 11:02:11 PM
Do I have this right? We are talking about someone who drew a 1 in 500 odds bull moose permit, killed a bull moose, then in the same lifetime applied for and drew a one in 600 antlerless moose permit, killed an antlerless moose, then got cited by WDFW for having an invalid permit that WDFW sold him?not yet but i'm hoping to be the first. ;)
Hmmm...
Post by: whacker1 on April 24, 2013, 06:33:45 AM
I agree with the interpretation so far.
Before
1 bull and 1 cow was a possibility for everyone and possibly more if Master Hunter, auction or raffle
after.
1 bull and 1 cow is a possibility only if cow permit is utilized first, or master hunter, auction, or raffle.
Post by: Bob33 on April 24, 2013, 06:49:57 AM
That would be great if you do. I will buy you a beer and some lottery tickets. :tup:Do I have this right? We are talking about someone who drew a 1 in 500 odds bull moose permit, killed a bull moose, then in the same lifetime applied for and drew a one in 600 antlerless moose permit, killed an antlerless moose, then got cited by WDFW for having an invalid permit that WDFW sold him?not yet but i'm hoping to be the first. ;)
Hmmm...
Post by: 180-GRAIN on April 24, 2013, 04:40:35 PM
Post by: Curly on April 24, 2013, 04:49:57 PM
Post by: PA BEN on May 08, 2013, 08:45:17 PM
Post by: sagerat on May 09, 2013, 07:17:37 AM
Personally I wouldn't even waste the money on antlerless moose permits. The odds of drawing are so low I just won't apply for those hunts anymore. I used to apply for antlerless moose hunts before they put them in a separate category. Your odds of drawing a bull moose permit are much better.Actually the odds for the cow tags are still better. I was surprised too but just checked the 2012 harvest report. As for me, I'm planning on being the first guy to draw antlerless moose permits two years in a row... :)
Post by: arees on May 09, 2013, 08:15:14 AM
Anyone may apply,except those who have previously harvested a moose in Washington state (for exceptions, see below). An individual may only harvest one moose during his or her lifetime. However, this restriction is waived for hunters who have previously harvested a moose under an antlerless-only, masterhunter, raffle or auction hunt permit.
I'm going to draw a cow moose permit first and shoot one, then I can keep drawing and shooting bull moose for the rest of my life. The one moose restriction will have been waived because I had previously harvested a moose under an antlerless-only permit. They only list one restriction and wave it if you have previously harvested a moose under an antlerless-only permit. I know that is not what they meant, but it is what they wrote.
This must have been written by the same people who wrote the youth hunting alone/extra hunter ed fees bill.
Post by: bobcat on May 09, 2013, 10:01:51 AM
Personally I wouldn't even waste the money on antlerless moose permits. The odds of drawing are so low I just won't apply for those hunts anymore. I used to apply for antlerless moose hunts before they put them in a separate category. Your odds of drawing a bull moose permit are much better.Actually the odds for the cow tags are still better. I was surprised too but just checked the 2012 harvest report. As for me, I'm planning on being the first guy to draw antlerless moose permits two years in a row... :)
Antlerless moose is a harder draw by the way I calculate it. Not sure how you did it, but I take the total number of applicants in that category, and divide that by the number of permits available.
So for example, the bull moose permits had a total of 19,224 applicants. Divide that by the total number of permits (82), and I get odds of 1 in 234.
Do the same in the antlerless moose category, and I get odds of 1 in 275.
Post by: sagerat on May 09, 2013, 03:32:59 PM
Post by: crowcaller on May 12, 2013, 04:29:25 PM
I think this has been settled already. But I interpreted the above to mean that if you harvested one on an "Any Moose" tag, then you were restricted from any future "Any Moose" tag hunt applications. The "Antlerless Moose" tag does not have the same restriction.
Post by: bucksandbulls on May 12, 2013, 07:48:06 PM