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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: trophyhunt on April 27, 2013, 03:03:03 PM

Title: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: trophyhunt on April 27, 2013, 03:03:03 PM: You would think that it would be an amazing hunt considering where it is, but I was wondering if anyone knows the in and outs of the hunt?
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: trophyhunt on April 28, 2013, 11:08:17 AM: Lot's of looks but no info? Maby that's a good sign?
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: mtman on April 28, 2013, 11:38:35 AM: Went over there a couple weeks ago to shed hunt above the ranch. Driving up the 4-0 ranch had signs up to pay them to shed hunt. When we got up there another shed hunter said those 4-0 guys run up to the tops of those canyons firing there rifles all the way down and scare the elk onto there ranch. Dont know if thats true but It left me not thinking to highly of the 4-0. I would not pay them to hunt there ranch for elk or sheds.
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: trophyhunt on April 28, 2013, 11:49:42 AM: Quote from: mtman on April 28, 2013, 11:38:35 AM
Went over there a couple weeks ago to shed hunt above the ranch. Driving up the 4-0 ranch had signs up to pay them to shed hunt. When we got up there another shed hunter said those 4-0 guys run up to the tops of those canyons firing there rifles all the way down and scare the elk onto there ranch. Dont know if thats true but It left me not thinking to highly of the 4-0. I would not pay them to hunt there ranch for elk or sheds.
That sucks if it's true. They cannot charge the guys who draws a tag from the state that is designated for the ranch, I just wonder how the guy with the free permit gets treated if he's going up against guys that pay?
Title: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 28, 2013, 02:58:17 PM: I'd it's anything like Colorado ranching for wildlife program the public hunters seem to get the short end of the stick
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: bigbullshedhunter on April 28, 2013, 04:35:34 PM: I know em personally and there good people. It's a good tag to put in for but the wolves have moved in recently so we will see what happens this year. I would prefer looking elsewhere.
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: Maverick on April 29, 2013, 08:26:01 AM: I don't know much about 4-0 ranch but they've got a lot of ground
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: mtncook on April 29, 2013, 11:06:18 AM: Are you guys aware that the WDFW has been purchasing land form 4 O over the last couple of years? Close to 20000 per year. Rumor has it the hunting will still be managed by 4 O yet owned by the State, how do they do that?

mtncook
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: WSU on April 29, 2013, 11:17:28 AM: I had a friend that drew a cow tag. They told him where the elk were and he killed his cow the first morning.
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: 270Flat on April 29, 2013, 11:29:19 AM: I was reading an article this weekend in the Northwest Sportsman's Magazine that was outlaying this process. Looks like it will run over a 8-10 year period buying the land. Not really sure how they would have the rights unless they then leased it back from the state. Maybe they will remain in control of the land until the whole property has been purchased... So public access will be limited until then. :bash:
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 29, 2013, 11:49:58 AM: It's a great growing ground for wolves.
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Post by: splitshot on April 29, 2013, 11:56:59 AM: where is the 4-0 ranch? mike w
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 29, 2013, 12:02:37 PM: http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/04/washington_state_commission_ap_1.html#incart_river (http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2013/04/washington_state_commission_ap_1.html#incart_river)
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: trophyhunt on April 30, 2013, 03:29:46 PM: I can't believe know one has hunted this property before on here, or don't want to talk about it?
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: mtman on April 30, 2013, 06:33:29 PM: I wouldnt bother on the 4-0 , there are bulls just as big in the blues else were. They might not be hangin out Down low on a ranch but there in there.
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: jstone on April 30, 2013, 08:06:46 PM: You need to have big money. People have spent lots to get a big bull.
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: trophyhunt on April 30, 2013, 08:10:43 PM: Quote from: jstone on April 30, 2013, 08:06:46 PM
You need to have big money. People have spent lots to get a big bull.
You don't have to pay them anything if you draw the state permit for the ranch, infact they are not allowed to charge you.
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: huntnnw on May 01, 2013, 06:40:18 AM: I have the current map that was sent to me from Bob Dice in Clarkston fish and game office..to my knowledge and what I have saw the land they have bought it open to the public to hunt..its clearly marked

You are the minority on 4-0 being good..I have spent 26 years steelheading down there and have not heard much good and have had 1 encounter with them..complete crap and they were in the wrong
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: andersonjk4 on May 02, 2013, 02:24:49 PM: I had a Mt. View cow tag a couple years ago and I had permission from some land owners who bordered the 4-0. There were a bunch of people who had drawn the 4-0 tags hunting and they had a guy patroling the land everyday. I talked to him pretty much everyday on my way in or out of the area and he was very friendly once he knew that I had permission on the neighbors land and that I wasn't trying to sneak onto the 4-0 land. That being said I'm pretty sure they run around the property on 4-wheelers and trucks to push the elk away from the national forrest ground to keep them on the 4-0. I was hunting right on the edge of the 4-0 one evening and I could hear elk moving up the draw from the 4-0 up to me. When the elk sounded like they were only a couple hundred yards below me here comes a guy on a 4-wheeler tearing down the edge of the draw and pushed the elk back down the draw. If you draw a cow tag on the 4-0 I think you have a great chance at shooting a cow. They seemed to be very good about making sure the people hunting there land were getting into elk. They were just not very good at sharing with the rest of us :chuckle:. And it is correct that the WDFW is buying land from them, but a stipulation of the sale is that the 4-0 gets to keep its leases and gets to control the hunting.
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: Mr Mykiss on May 02, 2013, 02:34:07 PM: Quote from: andersonjk4 on May 02, 2013, 02:24:49 PM
And it is correct that the WDFW is buying land from them, but a stipulation of the sale is that the 4-0 gets to keep its leases and gets to control the hunting.
How does that benefit the Washington hunters (that don't draw 4-O tags) that support WDFW with their license and tag fees?
Title: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: slim9300 on May 02, 2013, 06:22:31 PM: Quote from: Mr Mykiss on May 02, 2013, 02:34:07 PM
Quote from: andersonjk4 on May 02, 2013, 02:24:49 PM
And it is correct that the WDFW is buying land from them, but a stipulation of the sale is that the 4-0 gets to keep its leases and gets to control the hunting.
How does that benefit the Washington hunters (that don't draw 4-O tags) that support WDFW with their license and tag fees?

Typical idea hatched by government. No need to ask questions. ;)

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Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: jstone on May 02, 2013, 06:28:57 PM: SHAYDY
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: andersonjk4 on May 03, 2013, 08:11:33 AM: Quote from: slim9300 on May 02, 2013, 06:22:31 PM
Quote from: Mr Mykiss on May 02, 2013, 02:34:07 PM
Quote from: andersonjk4 on May 02, 2013, 02:24:49 PM
And it is correct that the WDFW is buying land from them, but a stipulation of the sale is that the 4-0 gets to keep its leases and gets to control the hunting.
How does that benefit the Washington hunters (that don't draw 4-O tags) that support WDFW with their license and tag fees?

Typical idea hatched by government. No need to ask questions. ;)

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:yeah:

I'm not sure about the time frame of the deal and whether the lease and hunting rights expire anytime soon. That wasn't in the article I read about it.
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on May 03, 2013, 09:58:30 AM: I hunted spring bear in the Mountain View unit a few years ago. The 4-O would not allow me to hunt their land, but I had no issues with traveling through on legal accesses through the ranch. Other ranchers said they wished they could, but had leased all hunting to an outfitter - who likewise would not allow me to hunt his leases. Would not have even asked, but it was a late snow year and all access roads to the NF land in that unit was snowed in.

Lots of elk in there, some of the bulls had cauliflowers growing on their heads.
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: trophyhunt on May 03, 2013, 03:30:19 PM: Quote from: Mr Mykiss on May 02, 2013, 02:34:07 PM
Quote from: andersonjk4 on May 02, 2013, 02:24:49 PM
And it is correct that the WDFW is buying land from them, but a stipulation of the sale is that the 4-0 gets to keep its leases and gets to control the hunting.
How does that benefit the Washington hunters (that don't draw 4-O tags) that support WDFW with their license and tag fees?
The bio told me they are buying all the land from the 4-0, currently they have 2,200 arcers and play to buy a bunch more this year. He also told me if I drew the tag that ONLY the 2 permit holders would be allowed on the 2,200 acres that they bought and any land they buy before the hunts this year. He said that the 4-0 hunters were NOT allowed on the acres owned property. Paul wik is who I talked to just 2 days ago.
Title: Re: Anyone hunt the 4 O ranch for elk?
Post by: mtman on May 03, 2013, 07:58:28 PM: Thats because thats the only hunt going on between the 22nd and the 26th of september. I hope they would let all the 11 mt view tag holders that hunt before that date hunt that same land they bought before the 4-0 tags. It would make sense to me because that all lies in the mt. view unit.