Post by: hntrspud on May 04, 2013, 09:42:32 AM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on May 04, 2013, 09:57:52 AM
I've shot quite a bit of .380 ammo. It's not the wimpy round people think it is. These days they are making 9mm pistols that are as small as the .380s used to be, so for cheap and easy to get ammo, that might be a better choice...
Post by: hntrspud on May 04, 2013, 10:00:12 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on May 04, 2013, 10:03:30 AM
Post by: CementFinisher on May 04, 2013, 10:04:26 AM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on May 04, 2013, 10:15:24 AM
9mm versus a .380? which is easier to find ammo for? I am having a hard time finding ammo for my wifes 9mm.
All ammo is in short supply right now. Be patient-Christmas is coming, and the stuff should be easier to get by then. :twocents:
Post by: hntrspud on May 04, 2013, 10:23:53 AM
Post by: MLBowhunting on May 04, 2013, 10:47:02 AM
Post by: mountainman on May 04, 2013, 05:48:32 PM
Post by: high country on May 04, 2013, 09:44:11 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on May 04, 2013, 09:48:56 PM
Post by: Worldhunter on May 04, 2013, 10:03:49 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 04, 2013, 10:06:13 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 04, 2013, 10:34:07 PM
Post by: mountainman on May 04, 2013, 10:43:31 PM
I have two sig 238s (one for the wife) and I highly recommend them. Easy to carry and feel great in the hand, especially with the magazine extender. A .380 +P round is more than enough. I like the buffalo bore +p rounds, shoot well out of my sig.
My wife carries one too! And the Buffalo bore rounds are also our carry loads!
Tried several, one would be best served to drop one in a sock and start swinging. Better than nothing I guess, much better carry choices out there. Ankles a good place for a back up but the worst possible choice for a only "Primary".
Who said it was my primary? Or even my secondary? :)
Post by: rtspring on May 04, 2013, 10:50:08 PM
Post by: Worldhunter on May 05, 2013, 12:49:51 AM
Post by: NWWA Hunter on May 05, 2013, 06:09:35 AM
A 90gr projectile, traveling at over 1200 fps, and hitting with 300 ft/lbs is now a BB gun? I guess I need a bigger carry weapon. Any one here know where I can get a 30mm HEDP concealable pistol? Just having some fun, understand some feel, justifiably, more comfortable with greater knockdown capability. I prefer to have something small enough that I will actually take it with me while out and about. I am also confident that a .380 +p round is capable of dropping a man.
Agreed. Comfort carry is very important to me. Otherwise I'll leave it at home. Might not be as powerful but I'm sure if I put a couple in you it might hurt
Post by: whitey on May 05, 2013, 06:36:38 AM
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 05, 2013, 06:43:11 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 05, 2013, 08:29:51 AM
Try that with a Speer Gold Dot out of a 9mm, .40 Cal or .45 ACP and let me know how it goes.😁
Post by: mountainman on May 05, 2013, 08:38:18 AM
A 90gr projectile, traveling at over 1200 fps, and hitting with 300 ft/lbs is now a BB gun? I guess I need a bigger carry weapon. Any one here know where I can get a 30mm HEDP concealable pistol? Just having some fun, understand some feel, justifiably, more comfortable with greater knockdown capability. I prefer to have something small enough that I will actually take it with me while out and about. I am also confident that a .380 +p round is capable of dropping a man.:tup:
Post by: high country on May 05, 2013, 09:03:00 AM
I know a guy who had a .380 go off in a fanny pack that was sitting in his lap years ago. The hollow point passed through his thigh and exited, it didn't even expand. Missed all arteries and bone and other than a burning sensation 5 min or so after the incident. That was it, fully functional.
Try that with a Speer Gold Dot out of a 9mm, .40 Cal or .45 ACP and let me know how it goes.😁
So a bullet failure is to boon the chambering? Did you ask him if he did it 5 mor times because it didn't even hurt?
Let's face it, if you have to pull down on someone, a gun is better than no gun....and if the sight of the gun doesn't turn them, the thump of bullets on their chest, head and junk should....and if it didn't, you have tangoed with a full blown adrenaline or meth head and you would need to wait for them to bleed out regardless of bullet. Just like bad guys run from the sound of a pump gun racking a shell, they too don't think much of scared civilians with a confident draw.
Post by: rtspring on May 05, 2013, 09:03:57 AM
2. .45 WILL put a man down!
See the diffrence? I for one dont like the maybe factor!
Will it protect you maybe, Just dont care for the little shooters. To each is his own.
Post by: mountainman on May 05, 2013, 09:11:30 AM
I know a guy who had a .380 go off in a fanny pack that was sitting in his lap years ago. The hollow point passed through his thigh and exited, it didn't even expand. Missed all arteries and bone and other than a burning sensation 5 min or so after the incident. That was it, fully functional.
Try that with a Speer Gold Dot out of a 9mm, .40 Cal or .45 ACP and let me know how it goes.😁
So a bullet failure is to boon the chambering? Did you ask him if he did it 5 mor times because it didn't even hurt?
Let's face it, if you have to pull down on someone, a gun is better than no gun....and if the sight of the gun doesn't turn them, the thump of bullets on their chest, head and junk should....and if it didn't, you have tangoed with a full blown adrenaline or meth head and you would need to wait for them to bleed out regardless of bullet. Just like bad guys run from the sound of a pump gun racking a shell, they too don't think much of scared civilians with a confident draw.
Plenty of video out there of guys doing the same with larger calibers thru the thigh while holstering, (dont know any personally, dont hang around with people who make those mistakes) and walked to the hospital. its a different thing when those bullets are placed on a lethal aiming point.
Post by: Worldhunter on May 05, 2013, 09:14:52 AM
I recommend that you carry an RPG and start practicing soon.
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on May 05, 2013, 10:19:31 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 05, 2013, 11:46:08 AM
Post by: CAM38 on May 05, 2013, 12:06:20 PM
this use of profanity was unacceptable
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 05, 2013, 12:16:37 PM
Sweet! I'll take 7 rounds out of my LC380 all day over your "quality edged weapon". The girlfriend is perfect at 20 feet. Are you bulletproof? Would you like to put some $$ on you BS statement? :tup:
Haha! Do some research on draw time and sight picture. When it comes to a assailant with a knife already in motion. Within 20 or so feet the clown with the concealed handgun is getting bagged or stitched.
Post by: CAM38 on May 05, 2013, 12:23:10 PM
Post by: CAM38 on May 05, 2013, 12:31:50 PM
Post by: mountainman on May 05, 2013, 12:33:29 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 05, 2013, 12:40:50 PM
The best defense towards a mugging is situational awareness. Up close and quick, NO caliber of handgun in the concealed position will do you much good. A better defense would be keeping your eyes and ears open to any threat within that zone, and keep them outside that zone, the best you can. Up close, with a knife, or defending with a knife, you best have some training. I have received that training, and some of it pretty new techniques, but lets me say, you probably won't want away without some blood leaking yourself...keep em at a distance, gives you time to draw and defend yourself..:yeah:
Post by: mountainman on May 05, 2013, 12:45:06 PM
Post by: rtspring on May 05, 2013, 12:48:12 PM
Rt,
I recommend that you carry an RPG and start practicing soon.
I prefer TLAM-D. Over a RPG
Anytime you wanna put your .380 up against my .40 let me know!
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 05, 2013, 12:55:51 PM
Nobody said that a. 380 would compare to a. 40 or. 45. All those of us who actually have them or like them are saying is that they can be effective and do the job without the concern of having to try to conceal a large weapon. Some of us are not big enough to hide a large gun. I'd also add that I have yet to see volunteers to prove that a. 380 wont work. I think that right there says enough.
Anytime you wanna put your .380 up against my .40 let me know!
Post by: CAM38 on May 05, 2013, 12:59:11 PM
Post by: rtspring on May 05, 2013, 01:06:18 PM
Rt, the lady carries the .380, I pack a .44mag. I see your .40 and raise ya :)
The way I see it! Whats the purpose of drawing your weapon? To wound? Or to kill? Many other Calibers beat the .380 hands down! There are also many models that are perfect for women, in bigger calibers!
Why drive the Kia when the Caddy is so much better
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 05, 2013, 01:10:11 PM
Let me turn this around on you. Why pay the extra costs of puchasing and owning a Caddy when a Kia will do the job. Just cause you can doesnt mean you should or have to. Unless its a show-off, compensation thing.
Why drive the Kia when the Caddy is so much better
Post by: rtspring on May 05, 2013, 01:19:06 PM
Bad guy breaks in your house! You have two pistols sitting next to one another. One is a .380 other is .40! No one in there right mind would grab the .380 over the .40
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on May 05, 2013, 01:20:41 PM
If you have a handgun drawn at the same time as a bad guy, you stand a chance. If you have a knife out (and some skill) at the same time as a bad guy, you stand a good chance. But if bad guy already has a knife, handgun, or baseball bat (insert any weapon here) and you are still holstered,you had best be moving!
I've heard it said that most people pull a gun and want to stand there and talk about it. That's when you pull out yours and shoot him! :chuckle:
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 05, 2013, 01:23:16 PM
How Reliable is the Kia Compared to the Caddy? Your splitting hairs here!Your not paying attention RT. We are arent discussing home defense purposes here. We are talking about a small ccw weapon.
Bad guy breaks in your house! You have two pistols sitting next to one another. One is a .380 other is .40! No one in there right mind would grab the .380 over the .40
Post by: mountainman on May 05, 2013, 01:25:32 PM
:yeah:How Reliable is the Kia Compared to the Caddy? Your splitting hairs here!Your not paying attention RT. We are arent discussing home defense purposes here. We are talking about a small ccw weapon.
Bad guy breaks in your house! You have two pistols sitting next to one another. One is a .380 other is .40! No one in there right mind would grab the .380 over the .40
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on May 05, 2013, 01:27:02 PM
How Reliable is the Kia Compared to the Caddy? Your splitting hairs here!
Bad guy breaks in your house! You have two pistols sitting next to one another. One is a .380 other is .40! No one in there right mind would grab the .380 over the .40
No bad guy in his right mind would stand there looking down the barrel of either one! :chuckle: Simple--you empty the 380 into him, and while he's looking at the holes in his body, you grab the .40 and finish the job! :chuckle: :tup:
Post by: rtspring on May 05, 2013, 01:34:21 PM
Love the debate though..
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 05, 2013, 01:38:05 PM
Post by: 300rum on May 05, 2013, 01:42:46 PM
Away from home, I can't carry a shotgun.
As far as caliber goes, it is kinda like deer hunting, it really doesn't matter. What does matter is how accurate you are.
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 05, 2013, 01:46:27 PM
Post by: 300rum on May 05, 2013, 01:57:41 PM
I will also add that my brother in law has a Taurus 740 slim and IMO it is to small of a gun for that size cartridge. Follow up shots take to long to get back on target.
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 05, 2013, 02:02:40 PM
Splits (the time between two sighted shots) are all about technique. A change in technique would make (more then likely) make a big difference.I agree with practice that would help some, but still alot bigger and harder to hide than a small. 380I will also add that my brother in law has a Taurus 740 slim and IMO it is to small of a gun for that size cartridge. Follow up shots take to long to get back on target.
Post by: 300rum on May 05, 2013, 02:09:50 PM
With a BUG, I am pushing .30, maybe a bit less
Splits (the time between two sighted shots) are all about technique. A change in technique would make (more then likely) make a big difference.I agree with practice that would help some, but still alot bigger and harder to hide than a small. 380I will also add that my brother in law has a Taurus 740 slim and IMO it is to small of a gun for that size cartridge. Follow up shots take to long to get back on target.
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 05, 2013, 04:58:23 PM
The best defense towards a mugging is situational awareness. Up close and quick, NO caliber of handgun in the concealed position will do you much good. A better defense would be keeping your eyes and ears open to any threat within that zone, and keep them outside that zone, the best you can. Up close, with a knife, or defending with a knife, you best have some training. I have received that training, and some of it pretty new techniques, but lets me say, you probably won't want away without some blood leaking yourself...keep em at a distance, gives you time to draw and defend yourself..
We agree on something....
Post by: mountainman on May 05, 2013, 05:12:07 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 05, 2013, 05:49:46 PM
Just hope members here start expecting that from us all the time, huh buddy? :)
We will see pal. :)
Post by: madmack76 on May 05, 2013, 06:40:39 PM
Post by: Fisherdave10 on May 05, 2013, 08:46:37 PM
1. .380 CAPABLE of putting a man down.
2. .45 WILL put a man down!
See the diffrence? I for one dont like the maybe factor!
Will it protect you maybe, Just dont care for the little shooters. To each is his own.
A .45 WILL put a man down? I guess you haven't seen Tex Grebner have a .45 slug travel through his thigh, exiting near his knee?
Original Upload, I Just Shot Myself! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE#ws) *language warning* (Getting shot sure sounds like it sucks)
I hope we all understand this:
ALL practical defensive handgun calibers SUCK for self defense. If you want a real fight stopper, carry a 12GA shotgun loaded with 00 buck or a .308 battle rifle with expanding ammo. We carry handguns because they are convenient, practical and they're usually sufficient enough to get the job done when called to duty. It doesn't matter if you carry a .380, 9mm, .40 or a .45. A premium .45 round might have 450ft-lbs of energy compared to the 2,700+ft-lbs of energy a .308 might have. Your caliber sucks. :)
I should say my primary carry gun is my 9mm, but more often I find myself carrying an LCP loaded with 90gr Gold Dots. I know the limitations of the small, extremely concealable platform and I understand a .380 round won't have the same effect on target as a .500 Magnum. With good shot placement, a handgun shooting .380 is perfectly capable of dropping a bad man as quickly as a .45 will. Do not fool yourself into thinking a caliber is completely inferior just because it is smaller. There is not and will never be a .45 LCP, but there is a .380 LCP. That's why I carry a .380. Shot placement far more important than caliber will ever be. :twocents:
Post by: rtspring on May 05, 2013, 08:54:49 PM
1. .380 CAPABLE of putting a man down.
2. .45 WILL put a man down!
See the diffrence? I for one dont like the maybe factor!
Will it protect you maybe, Just dont care for the little shooters. To each is his own.
A .45 WILL put a man down? I guess you haven't seen Tex Grebner have a .45 slug travel through his thigh, exiting near his knee?
Original Upload, I Just Shot Myself! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE#ws) *language warning* (Getting shot sure sounds like it sucks)
I hope we all understand this:
ALL practical defensive handgun calibers SUCK for self defense. If you want a real fight stopper, carry a 12GA shotgun loaded with 00 buck or a .308 battle rifle with expanding ammo. We carry handguns because they are convenient, practical and they're usually sufficient enough to get the job done when called to duty. It doesn't matter if you carry a .380, 9mm, .40 or a .45. A premium .45 round might have 450ft-lbs of energy compared to the 2,700+ft-lbs of energy a .308 might have. Your caliber sucks. :)
I should say my primary carry gun is my 9mm, but more often I find myself carrying an LCP loaded with 90gr Gold Dots. I know the limitations of the small, extremely concealable platform and I understand a .380 round won't have the same effect on target as a .500 Magnum. With good shot placement, a handgun shooting .380 is perfectly capable of dropping a bad man as quickly as a .45 will. Do not fool yourself into thinking a caliber is completely inferior just because it is smaller. There is not and will never be a .45 LCP, but there is a .380 LCP. That's why I carry a .380. Shot placement far more important than caliber will ever be. :twocents:
Maybe you should tell the Military and Most law enforcement that the Caliber does not matter!!! You guys kill me with your rhetoric of bullet placement! How many people , when chit hits the fan are accurately going to put lead on said vital zones! Very very few! Caliber dont matter? Really, why do we all not hunt with 10/22 then??? Hmmm maybe caliber DOES have something to do with lethal force!
You can argue until your blue in the face, you will never convince me or most of the population on your false statement.
Im all done with this one ! Enjoy your bb gun
Post by: whitey on May 05, 2013, 10:18:14 PM
I wear claymores M18A1, 1 on the front and 1 on my back. Got it all covered. :dunno:
Hey just saying.. :bdid:
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on May 05, 2013, 10:28:37 PM
Moral of the story: Point Blank is not a sure thing...
I was shooting my Browning Hi Power (9mm), another guy was shooting a Colt 1911 (.45 ACP), and I think the third guy was shooting a .32 H&R Magnum revolver. So caliber doesn't mean a thing if you don't hit the target! :chuckle:
Post by: C-Money on May 06, 2013, 06:44:47 AM
I have two sig 238s (one for the wife) and I highly recommend them. Easy to carry and feel great in the hand, especially with the magazine extender. A .380 +P round is more than enough. I like the buffalo bore +p rounds, shoot well out of my sig.
The extended mag is a must. Makes the gun feel so much better. I am using the Bitter root Valley 90gr hollow points for carry. My only complaint about the 238 is my safety gets pushed down "off" in my current holster throughout the day from the strap that goes over the end of the gun. Not a good feeling when its a cocked and locked gun. I am looking for a strapless holster. Great gun, it feels about as heavy and takes up the same amount of room as my Motorola Minitor pager on my belt.
Post by: magnanimous_j on May 06, 2013, 07:34:22 AM
How many people , when chit hits the fan are accurately going to put lead on said vital zones! Very very few!
That’s probably why only like 5% of gunshot wounds end up being fatal. We all make fun of gangbangers for shooting each other multiple times with no fatalities, but that’s probably what it would be like for us as well. Plenty of people have been hit with .45ACP and are still alive to talk about it.
There are only 2 ways a bullet can kill. One, it hits something vital. Two, the bullet doesn’t hit anything vital but the person bleeds to death. In either case, caliber doesn’t matter as much as you would think. A .380 in the heart will kill just as effectively as a .45 to the heart. And as for bleeding, human tissue is very elastic. The wound will close in on itself to a point, making the extra .07inches in diameter somewhat trivial.
A rifle bullet that travels three times the speed as a handgun bullet causes all kinds of extra damage by creating a stretch cavity and then crash cavity which shreds softer tissues and turns bone into shrapnel. This makes bullet placement a bit less important. But handgun bullets simply do not have the velocity necessary to cause that kind of carnage.
That being said, there is a lower limit as well. I wouldn’t carry anything smaller than a .380 because I don’t believe it has the horsepower to reliably punch through a skull, or a leather jacket, or a car door, or just a good old fashioned fat guy.
But once you get into the power range where reliable penetration is expected (.380 - .45) then you’re probably in good shape. I’m not saying a .45 isn’t more powerful than a .380, but to think a .45 is a one hit death ray and the .380 is a glorified pellet gun is grossly overestimating one and grossly underestimating the other.
Post by: 300rum on May 06, 2013, 09:40:31 AM
The .380 is cheap, small, simple and very easy to carry. It is also a "gateway" for first time gun owners to eventually step into other firearms or support/join an organization like the NRA.
If every good, law abiding citizen had a .380 in their pocket every day of every week, we would see a big difference in the perception of guns from those who are "in the middle". We would also see a difference in crime and the outcome of crime against people.
Just looking at my little world, I can think of 9 people (without thinking really hard) who carry a .380 on a daily basis who never carried or rarely carried before they purchased it. The diminutive .380 has done some mighty things for our gun rights.
Post by: high country on May 06, 2013, 10:36:49 AM
How Reliable is the Kia Compared to the Caddy? Your splitting hairs here!
Bad guy breaks in your house! You have two pistols sitting next to one another. One is a .380 other is .40! No one in there right mind would grab the .380 over the .40
What? The BG has now violated the 20 foot rule....you need a "quality edged weapon".
As someone who has had to pull on a home invader, let me just say......you are three shades of screwed without a dog to provide early warning and deterant. It happens fast.
Fwiw, I was behind my g27 because it was close.
Think about it....how long does it take to bust out a window in the farthest corner of your house and be on you in bed?.....now if the guy has a light and you are blinded......well, good luck.
Post by: nocklehead on May 06, 2013, 10:44:46 AM
I carry something bigger, but got my lady the Bersa CC in .380 for Christmas....
I gotta admit, if Im working hard in shorts and a T-shirt and gotta run to the store or something, that .380 goes in my pocket....I call it the Costco special, but thats a different story :chuckle: Only in winter and fall clothes I feel comfortable carrying CC in full size with my custom shoulder rig.
BTW, I didnt see an answer to the edged weapon question....I believe its 21 feet. If someone threatens you with an edged weapon within 21 feet, you can put them down, that is the criteria LE uses. They say 21 feet can be covered by an attacker in 1.5 seconds, just enough time to draw and fire, barely.
I do also have a huge bladed weapon that, inside the home or in close range would be VERY deadly and never misfires or runs out of ammo, dosent make a sound, goes right through most bullet vests, and carries a huge :yike: factor.
Post by: Fisherdave10 on May 06, 2013, 11:17:15 AM
Maybe you should tell the Military and Most law enforcement that the Caliber does not matter!!! You guys kill me with your rhetoric of bullet placement! How many people , when chit hits the fan are accurately going to put lead on said vital zones! Very very few! Caliber dont matter? Really, why do we all not hunt with 10/22 then??? Hmmm maybe caliber DOES have something to do with lethal force!
You can argue until your blue in the face, you will never convince me or most of the population on your false statement.
Im all done with this one ! Enjoy your bb gun
While your ignorant rant is entertaining, you have argued yourself wrong.
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when chit hits the fan are accurately going to put lead on said vital zones! Very very few!If you aren't going to be hitting your target, then caliber truly means nothing. The supersonic crack of a .22 is going to sound the same as a .308 when both fly over someone's head. In this case, caliber DOES NOT MATTER.
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why do we all not hunt with 10/22 then???A 10/22 is a great hunting companion and used for hunting many species of small game, but not all game. You have to consider the capabilities of the projectile at it's given velocity. A 36gr bullet at 1,200fps isn't going to plow it's way through an elk. It doesn't matter is it's .10 caliber or .45 caliber. When you move up in caliber, the capabilities of the caliber increases because of mass and velocity (energy), sectional density and bullet design. You want deep penetration from a handgun? Try a 200gr hardcast 10mm. You want shallow penetration? Try a 135gr JHP 10mm. Same caliber, but different effects on target.
I never argued that one should hunt anything with any specific caliber. A .380 has a specific role in civilian concealed carry. It does it's job pretty well. I could legally carry concealed my 7.62x39 AR pistol, but I choose to carry my LCP.
As much as I love wasting time in a pointless caliber debate, I have a medical terminology class in 30 minutes that I need to study for. :)
OP, carry .380 with confidence! You can't go wrong with a Ruger LCP. Taurus makes a lot of lemons, but there's always a chance of getting a good one... :rolleyes:
Post by: C-Money on May 06, 2013, 11:31:57 AM
Post by: rtspring on May 06, 2013, 11:36:02 AM
Maybe you should tell the Military and Most law enforcement that the Caliber does not matter!!! You guys kill me with your rhetoric of bullet placement! How many people , when chit hits the fan are accurately going to put lead on said vital zones! Very very few! Caliber dont matter? Really, why do we all not hunt with 10/22 then??? Hmmm maybe caliber DOES have something to do with lethal force!
You can argue until your blue in the face, you will never convince me or most of the population on your false statement.
Im all done with this one ! Enjoy your bb gun
While your ignorant rant is entertaining, you have argued yourself wrong.Quotewhen chit hits the fan are accurately going to put lead on said vital zones! Very very few!If you aren't going to be hitting your target, then caliber truly means nothing. The supersonic crack of a .22 is going to sound the same as a .308 when both fly over someone's head. In this case, caliber DOES NOT MATTER.Quotewhy do we all not hunt with 10/22 then???A 10/22 is a great hunting companion and used for hunting many species of small game, but not all game. You have to consider the capabilities of the projectile at it's given velocity. A 36gr bullet at 1,200fps isn't going to plow it's way through an elk. It doesn't matter is it's .10 caliber or .45 caliber. When you move up in caliber, the capabilities of the caliber increases because of mass and velocity (energy), sectional density and bullet design. You want deep penetration from a handgun? Try a 200gr hardcast 10mm. You want shallow penetration? Try a 135gr JHP 10mm. Same caliber, but different effects on target.
I never argued that one should hunt anything with any specific caliber. A .380 has a specific role in civilian concealed carry. It does it's job pretty well. I could legally carry concealed my 7.62x39 AR pistol, but I choose to carry my LCP.
As much as I love wasting time in a pointless caliber debate, I have a medical terminology class in 30 minutes that I need to study for. :)
OP, carry .380 with confidence! You can't go wrong with a Ruger LCP. Taurus makes a lot of lemons, but there's always a chance of getting a good one... :rolleyes:
The only thing. *censored*! Really ? You cant hold a debate without calling someone ignorant? Thanks for your steadfast input!
please refrain from name calling
Post by: CAM38 on May 06, 2013, 06:13:29 PM
please, no name calling
Post by: mountainman on May 06, 2013, 09:25:44 PM
I am gonna side with shot placement is more vital than size. Unfortunately, I have seen many GSWs, from most popular calibers. Many that have lived and many that have not. For instance, I have seen people survive being center punched by a 30-06, (still doing well today) yet another DRT from a 25acp. My stance is, It is by far better to carry a sidearm that you know well, shoot accurately, and is comfortable enough to carry at all times. If you leave your weapon at home, for what ever reason, it wont help you away from home.:tup:
Post by: rtspring on May 06, 2013, 10:17:04 PM
Rt done! When has that ever happened? :stirthepot: I hope that every criminal I ever come accross is as ignorant/arrogant/clueless as you to think a .380 is a bb gun! Does it make you cringe and grit your teeth that I'd rather have my .22 single six over any handgun I'm not familiar with? :chuckle: :yeah: :stirthepot:
Arrogance, comes with experience! Have you ever shot at a man or are you just shooting paper or steel targets? Im getting dumber just replying to your post... WE through this whole debate have argued back and forth, CONCLUSION, No matter what caliber you choose to carry, the objective is to accurately put lead on said vitals. Correct? or will you find some clueless point here to argue also? FACT, I WILL CAPS IT ALL FOR YOU, VERY FEW VERY FEW .380'S ARE ACCURATE. DO YOU SEE MY POINT YET??
Calling a .380 a BBGUN was some what of a joke!! ha ha ha get it, or are you going to use your big boy words to defend that statement too. Im not here to argue whether you should carry you little pink red rider or a .500 SW. You have an opinion just like me. I simply do not like the .380 caliber, and I would be wasting my words to explain the obvious reasons why to someone who knows everything and anything on the subject. So when you get attacked and pull out your BBGUN dont worry someone with a real gun HA HA will hopefully stand up and protect you while your playing with your toy....
PS here is a little secret, there is an ignore option to not show my posts! Since I am arrogant and clueless and last but not least ignorant... maybe just maybe you can learn something one day instead of knowing it all...
I kill elk, I could really care less about your opinion of a BBGUN.......Grow up and put your big boy panties on.....
RTSPRING
Post by: mountainman on May 06, 2013, 10:53:35 PM
caliber???
Post by: C-Money on May 07, 2013, 06:53:13 AM
Anyone have an opinion on the 32 acp
caliber???
I always thought that a Beretta tomcat would be a great carry gun. I kinda want one!
Post by: mountainman on May 07, 2013, 07:01:17 AM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on May 07, 2013, 07:03:24 AM
Anyone have an opinion on the 32 acp
caliber???
I always thought that a Beretta tomcat would be a great carry gun. I kinda want one!
A guy I know bought one a few years ago. Shot reliably and well, but the ammo is not as plentiful as .380...
Post by: hillbilli on May 07, 2013, 07:16:32 AM
Post by: Wazukie on May 07, 2013, 07:19:52 AM
Rt, the lady carries the .380, I pack a .44mag. I see your .40 and raise ya :)
The way I see it! Whats the purpose of drawing your weapon? To wound? Or to kill? Many other Calibers beat the .380 hands down! There are also many models that are perfect for women, in bigger calibers!
Why drive the Kia when the Caddy is so much better
I'll take the Kia over the Caddy any day. You pay 50G for the Caddy and spend 3 times as much to feed it. I pay 15g for the KIA and get there before you do because I didn't have to stop three times to feed it. :dunno:
Post by: bearpaw on May 07, 2013, 09:31:51 AM
Thanks
Post by: magnanimous_j on May 07, 2013, 09:46:07 AM
even if only shooting ball rounds, consider that .380 or 9mm will only have 60% of the surface area of a .45..
That’s true, but you also have to consider that a .45 is a much slower round and has the tendency to push veins and organs out of the way rather than “nick” them.
Don’t get me wrong, .45acp is a fine defense round, but since we’re debating calibers and all…
Post by: hillbilli on May 07, 2013, 10:34:36 AM
Post by: splitshot on May 07, 2013, 08:49:46 PM
Post by: HighlandLofts on May 07, 2013, 10:04:00 PM
I was talking to a retired Snohomish Sheriff Deputy that moved here after he retired from a Sheriff Job in Illinois, he had 40 plus years in Law Enforcement. When he started out he carried a 9mm, the first three shootings he was involved in the guys were strung out on meth or PCP, He emptied his gun on all three of them hitting each one of them mulitipule times. His partner dumped a couple of 40 caliber rounds ito them and they droped. After that he switched over to 40 cailber. The next five people who took a 40 caliber round went down. So that's why I like the larger calibers.
I look at it like this, if you use your handgun for personal protection you will be shooting a target the size of a deer on drugs, Would you use a 25 caliber or a 380 to shoot a deer with rabies? Chances are the person who tries to rob you, tries to hi-jack you car or any other type of type of personal crimes against you are going to be strung out on some type of drugs. They do not have a clear mind-set and can not make any sound desisions. When it happens it happens fast, if you are not aware of the situation you will most likely be on the loseing side of the stick.
I'd bet when it comes down to actually pulling the triger on an assailent most people would hesitate on doing so. You can I'd do this or I'd do that,you don't know what the hell you'd do until it happens.
What ever a person feels comfortable with is what they should carry. For me it's 357 mag or 45acp. with a 9mm or 38spl. + P as a kicker.