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Title: Building new 7mm?
Post by: Archery King on May 06, 2013, 08:42:32 PM
Hey guys just looking for some opinions!  I bought a custom made shilen gun barrel certificate at the mule deer foundation banquet and now I'm gonna build a rifle.  So I'm leaning towards a super light weight 7mm for a dall sheep hunt and just all around elk and bear gun.  What would you guys chose as far as chambering, 7mm RUM, 7mm STW?  And what weight barrel and twist rate would you go for? Thanks in advance for your time :)
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: mountainman on May 06, 2013, 08:51:16 PM
Give Travis a call from R-Brothers rifle (sponsors on this site) and talk to him about the 7mm Rogue! A great, nicely thought out round!
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: high country on May 06, 2013, 09:03:49 PM
For dall sheep.....284. Light short action, super proven in the lr world, plenty fast for 1,000 yard sheep kills if you do your part.
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: coachcw on May 06, 2013, 09:12:33 PM
in a ultra light i'd go with the 6.5x284 1in 8 twist with 140's .
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: Archery King on May 06, 2013, 09:15:18 PM
ya i super light 7mm might hurt a little!  6.5 .284 might be the ticket
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: CoyoteChuck52 on May 06, 2013, 09:16:05 PM
7MM in light weight I would go 7-08 hands down...
Don't over look say a 260, 6.5 Creedmore or 6.5X47 Lapua
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: coachcw on May 06, 2013, 09:20:21 PM
270 win over a 7mm08 just saying  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 06, 2013, 09:21:22 PM
No coach :chuckle:

I would look at the 6.5-284 that being said I have always loved the 7mm STW.
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: coachcw on May 06, 2013, 09:21:52 PM
sheep hunt , what would Jack Oconnor take ?
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: coachcw on May 06, 2013, 09:23:43 PM
6.5 x284 equals 260 on roids !
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 06, 2013, 09:29:15 PM
sheep hunt , what would Jack Oconnor take ?

 :chuckle: I know I know :chuckle: I hate to say how many 270's I have and how many 7mm-08's as well :chuckle:  If I was building no way would I just pick a standard like those two. That is why I said the 6.5x 284 or 7stw.

I just like my 7-08's a little better then my 270 win's.

Now throw in the 270wsm and they both go out the window :chuckle:
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: norsepeak on May 06, 2013, 09:33:31 PM
 Love my light weight 7mm.  it's killed a dall's ram, mtn. caribou (426yrd), mtn. goat and canadian moose(431yrd).
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: actionshooter on May 06, 2013, 10:52:30 PM
Take a close look at the 7wsm for a lightweight rifle. For a long range I like the STW.
 But I agree with the post above, talk to Rbros!
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: high country on May 07, 2013, 07:32:27 AM
I agree with the above guys pushing 6.5 with 140's.....I have taken elk up to 700 with that recipie with a MV of 2900fps. I don't agree with light weight high horsepower rounds for sheep hunts. The light/high recoil gun is taxing as it gets on optics and that is the LAST place you want to have a scope crap the bed. I know because it happened to me on a limited tag one year with my 7# 300ultra. Sometimes a bit of conservation goes a long ways.
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: Bofire on May 07, 2013, 08:18:32 AM
 :) .280 great ballistics, low pressure, low recoil, very accurate.
Carl
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: brokenvet on May 07, 2013, 08:36:33 AM
7mm RUM & STW are not what I would call for light weight rifle.  With these calibers, you would need a magnum action, more weight.

Since you already purchased the barrel and asking about which 7mm cal.  I would think that you bought a rough un turned, un chambered barrel.


I would look into:
7mm-08
7X57 (my favorite)
.280 Rem
.284 Win

With the choices above, you're still within the standard actions.

The 7mm calibers are normally found in the 9.5 twist & 10's
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: headshot5 on May 07, 2013, 08:37:03 AM
+1 for the .280.   Nice round. 
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: Archery King on May 07, 2013, 12:26:09 PM
I haven't picked a barrel yet I can get any size length or caliber.  But I'm thinking 7mm might be a little big for a light weight gun
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: elkaholic123 on May 07, 2013, 12:40:53 PM
270 WSM would be my choice  :twocents:
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: brokenvet on May 07, 2013, 12:45:58 PM
If you get into the mag calibers, then yes.  NOT if you get into the calibers I mentioned and for the action a Ruger M77 are based on the small ring Mausers, well at least the old M77 with tang safety, not so sure about the MKII.

You can also look at 6.5X55; 6.5 Creedmore.  You do choose the 6.5 caliber ensure that you get a 7 or 8 twist. 
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: huntnphool on May 07, 2013, 12:58:17 PM
7mm/300 http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek071.html (http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek071.html)
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: Longbowz on May 08, 2013, 08:30:34 AM
.280 or 7X57 with handloads....... :twocents:
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: whacker1 on May 08, 2013, 08:35:15 AM
I like the .280 Ackley.
6.5 x 284 sounds like a great option as well.
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: Shooter on May 08, 2013, 08:36:38 AM
Now throw in the 270wsm and they both go out the window :chuckle:
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 :yeah: :yeah:

140 Accubond at 3200

Tikka T3 action with Shilen barrel dropped in a McMillan Edge stock, perfect lightweight custom package and not a fortune
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: high country on May 08, 2013, 09:56:29 AM
If you have not given the 257wby a look...it deserves it. 3600 with a 100gr pill makes for next to no hold over to 400yds. I have plowed through and through on elk at that range resulting in DRT.

280ai is a solid choice, feeds well has good speed for its case and tons of bullets, although I would still go 284 just for action length and accuracy potential.

A 6.5wsm, 6.5/284, 260ai....etc would give you a lot of bullet slickness capability but require more holdover than the Roy. For a sub 500yd hunting rifle, it's tough to beat the 257roy.
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: Archery King on May 08, 2013, 03:48:54 PM
hey thanks for all the input guys all great ideas!  im leaning towards the 6.5x280.  i already have a 270 wsm and love it but i would like to varry my gun collection a little  :chuckle:  and a feather light rifle isd next on my list.  the 7mm stw will half to wait for now.
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: high country on May 08, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
A 6.5-284 will crush the 270wsm down range. The 6.5 bullets are slick as snot on an iceberg.
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: Dan-o on May 08, 2013, 05:03:09 PM
There's a reason the 7MM Rem Mag is the most popular of the 7's.   Just sayin'.     :chuckle:
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: high country on May 08, 2013, 08:08:39 PM
There's a reason the 7MM Rem Mag is the most popular of the 7's.   Just sayin'.     :chuckle:

It's the Honda civic of cartridges. Nothing special, but. Most things pretty fair.
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: Biggerhammer on May 10, 2013, 06:34:03 PM
For dall sheep.....284. Light short action, super proven in the lr world, plenty fast for 1,000 yard sheep kills if you do your part.

Perfect!
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: Archery King on May 10, 2013, 06:45:29 PM
yelp ive decided to go with the 6.5x284!  pretty excited to get her built and start working up some loads!  So does anyone have any fether light stocks i should be looking at?  i have checked out the mcmillian edge stock and they look pretty good :dunno:.  oh and and any suggestions on type of hunting bullet and what load to use id love to hear gonna be a 1:7.5 twist.
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: Dan-o on May 10, 2013, 06:48:55 PM
There's a reason the 7MM Rem Mag is the most popular of the 7's.   Just sayin'.     :chuckle:

It's the Honda civic of cartridges. Nothing special, but. Most things pretty fair.


Ouch.......

I knew someone had to say it, but........ Ouch.       :chuckle:
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: brokenvet on May 10, 2013, 06:49:52 PM
You should be looking at actions first before the stock.
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: brokenvet on May 10, 2013, 06:54:35 PM
There's a reason the 7MM Rem Mag is the most popular of the 7's.   Just sayin'.     :chuckle:

It's the Honda civic of cartridges. Nothing special, but. Most things pretty fair.


Ouch.......

I knew someone had to say it, but........ Ouch.       :chuckle:

That's probably why I have not shot my 7 mag in nearly 30 years, it's a freaking honda in disguise.
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: Archery King on May 10, 2013, 06:57:47 PM
brokenvet:  im leaning towards the tekka t3 action but idk i do love modle 70 win. 
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: high country on May 10, 2013, 10:22:26 PM
What kind of budget are you working with? Remington and clones will be the lightest with easy to get parts. Winchester will come in about 6oz. heavier. You might have trouble finding a smith to work a tikka. A 1:8 is plenty to stabilize a 140/142 class bullet. The 123scenar is nearly as slick and a bit faster. The action will dictate the COAL and the reamer used. The stock is the last piece of the puzzle, but the one you will have to wait the longest for.....or find a used one.
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: Archery King on May 10, 2013, 10:28:26 PM
No real budget I want a quality light gun :) I wanna shoot 140 maybe 130gr.
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: high country on May 11, 2013, 08:28:57 AM
The reason to choose the 6.5-284 is its ability to push a 140/2 grain bullet extremely accurately and fast enough for long range kills. I suggest you pick a target weight, that will dictate the rest of your parts choices.
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: Archery King on May 11, 2013, 09:20:07 AM
7lbs scoped
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: high country on May 12, 2013, 12:52:44 PM
7lbs scoped

If you plan on anything more than a compact scope....the winchester is gonna be tough to hit the weight.
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: Archery King on May 12, 2013, 08:30:58 PM
whats gonna be the lightest most reliable action out there?
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: high country on May 12, 2013, 09:55:00 PM
Rem ti, pierce, Montana.
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: coachcw on May 13, 2013, 06:37:06 AM
tikkas arnt your best option to mod . weatherby mv ultra light , then use your shien 26 fluted #2 with a break . that combo would put you pretty close to six lbs , leuopold vx3 4x12 bdc or turret mod   :tup: or spend a ton of dough getting a 700 that light ?
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: high country on May 13, 2013, 10:12:30 AM
My experience with weatherby ultralights is what started me into rifle building. I was staunchly dissapointed. Here are some action weights for comparison.

A pierce long action is about 21oz and a short is 19.....iirc. They are about $1400 tyd.

Rem 700 short ADL 2lbs 3.5oz
Rem 700 short BDL 2lbs 4oz
Rem 700 long ADL 2lbs 6.5oz
Rem 700 long BDL 2lbs 7oz

Rem 600 1lb 15oz
Rem 788 2lbs 11oz
Rem 7 2lbs 2oz
Mauser Mark X 2lbs 15oz
Sako medium 2lbs 5oz
Sako long 2lbs 13oz
Ruger short 2lbs 6oz
Ruger long 2lbs 8.5oz
Win 70 2lbs 10oz
Weatherby Vangaurd long 2lbs 13oz
Weatherby Mark V 3lbs 3oz
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: whacker1 on May 13, 2013, 11:09:33 AM
high country - with all the weights you have shown does anyone build off of the Rem 7 or 600 actions?

just curious if there is a downside to those actions from smith perspective?
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: Shooter on May 13, 2013, 11:58:43 AM
 :dunno:
tikkas arnt your best option to mod . weatherby mv ultra light , then use your shien 26 fluted #2 with a break . that combo would put you pretty close to six lbs , leuopold vx3 4x12 bdc or turret mod   :tup: or spend a ton of dough getting a 700 that light ?

Hey Coach, why are Tikka's not as good as others to mod?
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: coachcw on May 13, 2013, 12:49:24 PM
Tikkas are great hunting rifles right out of the box . as far as building a custum stuffs hard to find . my gunsmith wont touch one . there's so much stuff for 700's that it justs makes sense to build one . sure rugers and mausers make fine rifles just takes more to build one . If a guy starts with something pretty nice and puts a custum barell on it your money ahead . If you build a ground up your gonna be 5-6k into it with glass . He could rebarells   a mv ulta light and be in it closser to 3k with good glass and have a real lightwieght hunter.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: jjhunter on May 13, 2013, 12:54:58 PM
Tikkas are great hunting rifles right out of the box . as far as building a custum stuffs hard to find . my gunsmith wont touch one . there's so much stuff for 700's that it justs makes sense to build one . sure rugers and mausers make fine rifles just takes more to build one . If a guy starts with something pretty nice and puts a custum barell on it your money ahead . If you build a ground up your gonna be 5-6k into it with glass . He could rebarells   a mv ulta light and be in it closser to 3k with good glass and have a real lightwieght hunter.  :twocents:

But it would still be a Weatherby...  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: jjhunter on May 13, 2013, 01:00:33 PM
Another option would be to rebarrel a Kimber Montana.  My wife bought me one for an engagement present and it shot like hell.  I threw a barrel on it and bedded it, and it shoots the lights out.  I put a 26" 4.5 contour on mine, but you could go with a 24" #2 and have a very fine 6lb rifle.  The stocks are very nice, the triggers are very nice, and the action is very nice.  My smith said that most of the Kimber actions are very true.  Mine did not need to be squared up.
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: Shooter on May 13, 2013, 01:20:09 PM
Got it, so it's more of an availability thing than anything else and a gunsmiths preference...
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: coachcw on May 13, 2013, 01:51:33 PM
you are probilly a bit short on that $2500 number and it would still be a tika . why not just buy a sako and put good glass on it if you want a .243 ? JJ's idea of a kimber is a good one or even a cooper .
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: high country on May 13, 2013, 02:45:45 PM
high country - with all the weights you have shown does anyone build off of the Rem 7 or 600 actions?

just curious if there is a downside to those actions from smith perspective?

Lots of guys build on model sevens. They are a good choice for light weight guns that don't need to shoot long bullets.

I would keep in mind that a custom action or a rem ti action is easy to get rid of for 80% of cost or better. A trued up rem will get 1000 questions on who did it and tennon size....blah blah blah, a win is in the same boat. A custom tikka or Kimber takes a special person. You may want to ask your smith about extra costs if you choose the Kimber or extra wait times due to its shank size being oddball. When you get down to it, a stiller, pierce or any other custom for that matter will bring your cost up a few hundred over a Kimber/weatherby but in the end....you can still have something of value to more than just you.
Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: Shooter on May 13, 2013, 02:54:10 PM
Your right coach, I confused the price that I tell my wife that it costs with what it really costs...

Lot's of options when it comes to custom or semi-custom projects and there are gunsmiths who like and will use Tikka actions.

As to my 243 project, will likely take many years to figure it out as it will be my last, or maybe that's another fib I'm telling the wife and myself too!

Title: Re: Building new 7mm?
Post by: coachcw on May 15, 2013, 12:54:48 PM
shooter here you go !http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=001C&mid=535115
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