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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: boneaddict on March 28, 2007, 10:09:43 AM

Title: legal or not
Post by: boneaddict on March 28, 2007, 10:09:43 AM: Here is a new one for you that is sort of piggybacked onto the three-point or better rule. Bobcat inspired this with his talk on watching a nice buck to see if it was legal or not. This could be for Spike only elk, or rams not quite 3/4 curl. I'll see if I can dig up some other images while I am supposed to be working. heheheheheheee
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Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: boneaddict on March 28, 2007, 10:10:22 AM: This was a two point that had beeter been keeping his head low.
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: boneaddict on March 28, 2007, 10:19:51 AM: believe it or not, this guy was legal.
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Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: Muleyslyr on March 28, 2007, 10:44:07 AM: I ran into a guy one year up in the hills. He was frantically looking for his deer that he had just killed. I offered to help him locate it since he was positive it was right here somewhere. I asked if it was a bigger buck or smaller or what, to know if I could look for horns sticking up. He says, "Oh, it's huge!" Now I gotta really help him find it right. :o

Not two minutes later, I find his deer. As I gotta a little closer all I could see was a huge fork on the one side. I stopped and waited for the guy and said you should be the first one to him. As he grabbed his rack in excitement, he says, "Oh Thank God it's got those eyeguards!"

Was about a 24" 2pt. with two 1" eyeguards. Nice thick heavy rack, but Barely legal. He says, "man I just saw horns and shot." Unbelievable after how many years with the 3pt. min. rule that this still happens. I just told the guy Congrats, and went on my way.
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: Muleyslyr on March 28, 2007, 10:45:07 AM: Would hate to imagine how many hunters would shoot at that first deer. :(
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: boneaddict on March 28, 2007, 10:45:16 AM: Here is one from a guy some of you might know as Vek on another site. Gerry is one of the most productive early season High country hunters I know. He has done moved off to Alaska to shoot all of my moose, so he probably won't mind me posting this picture. That will reduce my moose, but will add one more deer for us each year to pursue. He followed this guy for quite some time trying to grow an extra point on him. This is his 2006 edition to his trophy collection.
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Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: jackelope on March 28, 2007, 11:03:36 AM: My first mule deer was about 22" wide forkhorn with one eyeguard about 2" long. i shot that deer at about 60yds and knew for sure it had that eyeguard. i will tell you...when you grow up in upstate new york and you're looking at 15" wide little whitetails your whole life and that first muley showed up...that thing looked huge.
BTW muleyslyr did not help me find my first mule deer :)
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: PolarBear on March 28, 2007, 01:11:28 PM: A guy that I know and use to hunt with (never again!) got busted for shooting a 2 pt mulie in front of a game cop last year in Republic. There are far too many under sized bucks being shot by knee jerk hunters who cant control themselves! The first year that the reg went into effect we found 11 sub-legal bucks (and several does) that had beed shot and left to rot. I wish that they would tripple the fine for violating the rule. There is no excuse for not knowing your target, period!
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: WDFW-SUX on March 28, 2007, 02:31:28 PM: The one that I see every year without fail is the 25in 2pt. And every year I just about burn out my eye balls trying to put a 3rd on him. I wish I had a pic for you guys cuz he's really really wide.
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: chep on March 28, 2007, 04:30:51 PM: This is a cool topic. Maybe you should run a one or two day poll along with each picture and then tell us the answer afterwards. :dunno:
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: boneaddict on March 31, 2007, 05:00:18 PM: Barely legal
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Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: boneaddict on April 01, 2007, 07:17:04 AM: Is he forked?
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Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 01, 2007, 08:08:58 AM: Here's a question, who disagrees with the 1" rule? I personally do as you aren't going to be able to measure it until the deer is dead. If it's long enough to see as a third point I think it should be legal.
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: Ray on April 01, 2007, 08:30:39 AM: I think there needs to be a clear definition of what a "3rd point" is because otherwise ambiguity leads to other problems and leaves the gate open for unethical hunters to harvest game which isn't intended to be.

My guess is that the "long enough to see" rule would be abused by some people out there and too many animals might be harvested. Any little bump could be judged as a point with that sort of definition. When someone needs to prosecuted or even be vindicated with regards to game legislation in courts ambiguity isn't helpful either.

Do you think we should have a 2 point rule instead?
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: Ray on April 01, 2007, 08:47:25 AM: Quote from: boneaddict on April 01, 2007, 07:17:04 AM
Is he forked?

Man that's worse than a hard math quiz. It's real hard to tell with all of the branches from that bare brush in the way. I definitely would not be inclined to shoot but would guess he probably is legal because there seems to enough on his right side.
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: PolarBear on April 01, 2007, 09:14:04 AM: I say forget about counting browtines, the third point should be past the first point or branch and be 2" or better. It is a lot easier to distinguish a 2" point in a hurry than a 1". It is too easy for the average guy to mess up on a little 1" browtine.
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: bobcat on April 01, 2007, 04:46:14 PM: I just came across some pictures of a buck that my brother and I saw in the Pasayten in September of 2005. Fits right in on this thread.
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: bobcat on April 01, 2007, 04:55:45 PM: Here are a couple more bucks from the same trip, and neither of these were legal bucks, the picture is not very clear so it's probably not possible to tell from the picture. But, I was within 50 yards and both of these bucks were completely safe, although I would not have shot either one even if a third point had made it legal, but I'm betting somebody else up there would have. I just wish I would have had a better camera with me at the time.
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: boneaddict on April 01, 2007, 07:23:23 PM: Good Pics Bobcat.
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: bobcat on April 01, 2007, 08:24:45 PM: Thanks, and BTW that first buck was a 1x3, and the next time we saw him he was hanging in a tree. He was good enough for somebody!
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: sisu on April 02, 2007, 05:55:55 AM: I have not been modern arms hunting for big game since I left Alaska in 1999, so this three point rule to me is not big matter because I am VERY close to game when I release my arrow AND because of snafus with myself and friends in Alaska I am going to be DAMN sure of myself before releasing the arrow.

As for the 1 inch rule: I don't trust my eye sight during a hunt to believe it could be 1 inch. I need to see a very positive point before shooting.(I believe the one inch rule is there since 1 inch is included when doing measurement for Boon and Crockett or Pope and Young)

By the way, this is an excellent topic.
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: boneaddict on April 02, 2007, 06:40:20 AM: I'm sure thats where they came up with the definition of a point.
By the way, here is the "two" point in question from the earlier post. So he obviously was legal.
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Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: boneaddict on June 09, 2007, 05:33:02 AM: Here is another squeeker..(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv47%2Fboneaddict%2Fthree-1.jpg&hash=d0e57ddebc9a85fb0ada45c3c72410c8528de117)
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: Fletch on June 09, 2007, 08:15:38 AM: legal or not that 3X1 needed to be culled from the gene pool...somebody did us a favor!
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: boneaddict on June 19, 2007, 10:03:11 AM: As I find them I will post them.....
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Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: Coasthunterjay on October 01, 2007, 10:48:42 AM: Wow i will have to get some pictures for you guys. I have shot deer smaller that are legal. pathetic but im a meat hunter not a horn hunter. Ill update it in the next week or so..................
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: high country on August 31, 2007, 01:01:15 PM: Quote from: boneaddict on April 01, 2007, 07:17:04 AM
Is he forked?

To me it would not matter.....I am not a good enough shot to thread the needle through all the brush. I would wait him out for a look/shot
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: jdb on August 31, 2007, 07:51:16 PM: hey bone is that buck in the very first pic in the wenas?
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: boneaddict on September 01, 2007, 08:38:24 AM: Nope, thats a Twisp buck.

Legal or not.........
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Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: nw_bowhunter on September 01, 2007, 09:41:11 AM: I would have to wait, from the picture it is hard to see a 3rd pt. If I was using bions I'm might be able to see however all the brush makes it hard to tell.
Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: boneaddict on September 01, 2007, 12:16:49 PM: Good choice.........NOT legal

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Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: boneaddict on September 01, 2007, 05:28:13 PM: Heres another one for you....sorry for the grain
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Title: Re: legal or not
Post by: boneaddict on September 02, 2007, 08:45:21 AM: Sorry that last pic turned out so grainy.....crud....anyway here is the buck. I came back a couple days later and found a nice set of coug tracks, but no deer. While walking around I FOUND what was left (which wasn't much) of this buck.
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