Post by: Kingpuck on May 11, 2013, 09:18:49 AM
This sport has captured my imagination and quickly became a passion of mine. Hope it continues and they don't completely end archery hunting around here. Is there anything that a guy can do to help protect the season?
Post by: earlmarne on May 11, 2013, 09:26:37 AM
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Post by: jackelope on May 11, 2013, 09:48:18 AM
there was an archery foundation at the bighorn show.i didnt have any cash left to join but they sounded like they were standing up for our seasons and other such issues.i forget the name,but will do a little research n hopefully get back to youWashington State Bowhunters. .
Post by: bobcat on May 11, 2013, 10:06:29 AM
Sorry, but I just don't think there's any reason to say there's a lack of opportunity for archery hunters, in comparison to modern firearm and muzzleloader hunters.
Now if it's special permit hunts you're talking about, yes it's true there aren't as many special permits, but that's because with an archery tag you don't need a special permit for a good hunt, because of the generous general season opportunities that are already available.
Post by: earlmarne on May 11, 2013, 10:16:36 AM
thats the one.thank you.i spent quite a while talkin with the guy.seems they are really lookin out for our interests.i think i will send em some money this yearthere was an archery foundation at the bighorn show.i didnt have any cash left to join but they sounded like they were standing up for our seasons and other such issues.i forget the name,but will do a little research n hopefully get back to youWashington State Bowhunters. .
Post by: dreamunelk on May 11, 2013, 10:22:11 AM
there was an archery foundation at the bighorn show.i didnt have any cash left to join but they sounded like they were standing up for our seasons and other such issues.i forget the name,but will do a little research n hopefully get back to youWashington State Bowhunters. .
I would suggest Washington State archery Association. Better organized. IMO WSB is not doing much for Archery.
Archers have never had a lot of permits because we had way more days in the fields. IMO that is going to change because of how easy it is to start Archery hunting now. Add to that the technology we now have and the distance we can shoot. Just wait in the next three year package we will see this used against us by the Modern and Muzzleloaders. I bet they will point out lighted knocks. I am sure that some ethical archer will post him self taking one hundred yard shots with them. Remember we use to have the more liberal season because we were handicapped by our equipment of choice. It was not that long ago that any elk or deer taken with archery equipment was considered a trophy because of the difficulty. That has changed drastically in the 30+ years I have been hunting.
I really do not want to see a bunch of permits. I would rather see our early season changed to being set by an end date instead of a set start date. This would at least keep us from starting so early in September. With a set end date we would all benefit. If we opt for permits we would just spend more money on a chance for a few of us.
Yes, I am dreaming but, it would benefit us all if archers thought about the big picture instead of themselves.
Post by: Ridgerunner on May 11, 2013, 10:25:45 AM
Post by: PolarBear on May 11, 2013, 10:33:30 AM
Post by: earlmarne on May 11, 2013, 11:20:39 AM
I have been hunting archery for many years and even I feel the seasons are too liberal! We have all of September, most ofNovember and all of December depending on species and unit. What more does a guy want? As far as permits, with all that time available why would you need permits? I also don't get how some archery deer hunters who only wants a doe or little meat buck is unable to kill one in 3 1/2 months? :dunno:i am very uneducated on the subject.i agree with you on that our deer season is plenty long with many opportunities.i was able to kill a little fella last year n it was my first season of huntin archery.i think that speaks a lot towards those regs being easily met.
now elk.i dont understand fully.but those that are more educated than i on the subject seem to think we got screwed due to it not being during the rut or too late or something.im not sure,and have been reading as much as possible to educate myself on the situation.
i do love that last year in the fall i had a few animals open at a time to me.that makes the odds a lot better.i get very jealous when talking with others back east n such though,that get like 5 doe tags along with one or 2 bucks.my friends in montana i think are able to harvest 3 or 4 too.
the way it sits now deer season is rather anti climactic.its over as soon as it started for me last year.but this year i am going to utilize my time to hunt down a respectable whitetail buck.i think that will really make the hunt more involved,more of a challenge and better fare for the freezer
Post by: Chase 1 on May 11, 2013, 12:48:03 PM
:yeah: x2.there was an archery foundation at the bighorn show.i didnt have any cash left to join but they sounded like they were standing up for our seasons and other such issues.i forget the name,but will do a little research n hopefully get back to youWashington State Bowhunters. .
The WSB has a new website under construction that should launch by the end of the month (the old one came down before the new one was ready). You will be able to get or renew your membership and also access all the information about the organization. The address is wsbowhunters.org (http://wsbowhunters.org) WSB has been on the front line fighting for archery opportunity for over three decades. A great organization and definitely worth of your $20 yearly membership. :tup:
Post by: matt345 on May 11, 2013, 01:38:29 PM
The archery seasons are the best out of all of them. They have great opportunities. That's why I'm archery hunting for elk this year. You get two weeks in September, and then about a 3 week late season. Many units are open for either sex deer and elk hunting. If you have both deer and elk archery tags, it's often possible to take any deer or elk that you see.:yeah:
Sorry, but I just don't think there's any reason to say there's a lack of opportunity for archery hunters, in comparison to modern firearm and muzzleloader hunters.
Now if it's special permit hunts you're talking about, yes it's true there aren't as many special permits, but that's because with an archery tag you don't need a special permit for a good hunt, because of the generous general season opportunities that are already available.
Post by: jackelope on May 11, 2013, 02:03:58 PM
The archery seasons are the best out of all of them. They have great opportunities. That's why I'm archery hunting for elk this year. You get two weeks in September, and then about a 3 week late season. Many units are open for either sex deer and elk hunting. If you have both deer and elk archery tags, it's often possible to take any deer or elk that you see.:yeah:
Sorry, but I just don't think there's any reason to say there's a lack of opportunity for archery hunters, in comparison to modern firearm and muzzleloader hunters.
Now if it's special permit hunts you're talking about, yes it's true there aren't as many special permits, but that's because with an archery tag you don't need a special permit for a good hunt, because of the generous general season opportunities that are already available.
:yeah: again.
Post by: hughjorgan on May 11, 2013, 02:28:20 PM
This is probably going to get flamed endlessly. Been looking through the regs and have a pit in my stomach. It is so frustrating to see the lack of archery opportunities. The gun guys need their time for sure but it feels like the season setters keep shunning the archery guys.
This sport has captured my imagination and quickly became a passion of mine. Hope it continues and they don't completely end archery hunting around here. Is there anything that a guy can do to help protect the season?
What permits does archery not have compared to rifle? For all the rifle permits there is an opportunity for us as archers and it usually falls during a prime time to hunt. We also enjoy much better odds at drawing quality permits compared to those that choose to pick up the modern rifle and hunt.
Post by: 3dvapor on May 11, 2013, 02:36:40 PM
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Post by: NWHydroprint on May 12, 2013, 08:02:03 PM
Everyone needs to stop complaining and ban together collectively Modern,Muzzle loader, archery, Duck , upland bird hunters etc. and start fighting for hunting in general as we loose land to hunt on we all will loose more opportunities we are divide user groups. Divide we will be conquered.
Post by: huntnphool on May 12, 2013, 08:04:27 PM
Post by: RadSav on May 12, 2013, 08:28:51 PM
However, I just do not see where the problem is. I can't think of a case where the rifle hunters get what the bow hunters don't. Same case for the most part on muzzy opportunities. Most of the seasons or hunting dates archers have lost over the years has not been because of equipment and success rates. It's because the other user groups have argued that "It's not fair :'(" that archery hunters get more time, seasons, does, on and on and on. I personally think us bowhunters have it pretty good in Washington. Very few areas we don't have the opportunity to hunt. And we generally get a generous chance at those spots twice per year. A lot more if we draw multi season permits and buy them.
Washington State Bowhunters do a lot for bowhunting in this state. They don't do a bunch of grandstanding and "look at me and how important I am" campaigns. But if you go to the state meetings you will definately know they are there. If you want to know what you can do to protect bowhunting in Washington and get your voice heard - Join WSB. I don't think you will regret it!
Post by: huntnphool on May 12, 2013, 11:05:24 PM
Well, if you think the gun and muzzy guys have got it too good you can always get that tag and hunt with your bow during those seasons. It's now legal to do so, even during the muzzy season. That's pretty simple, isn't it?Exactly my point Rad, if you archery hunt its more about choosing which season you want to hunt rather than which weapon.
Post by: Houndhunter on May 13, 2013, 08:20:59 AM
Post by: RadSav on May 13, 2013, 08:24:41 AM
I would like to see some better archery westside bull permits, ive given up and won't be applying for elk this year.
:dunno: :dunno: Where on the westside can we not apply or hunt in a general season? Or do you mean dates for westside archery permits?
Post by: wa_archer on May 13, 2013, 08:33:13 AM
The archery seasons are the best out of all of them. They have great opportunities. That's why I'm archery hunting for elk this year. You get two weeks in September, and then about a 3 week late season. Many units are open for either sex deer and elk hunting. If you have both deer and elk archery tags, it's often possible to take any deer or elk that you see.
Sorry, but I just don't think there's any reason to say there's a lack of opportunity for archery hunters, in comparison to modern firearm and muzzleloader hunters.
Now if it's special permit hunts you're talking about, yes it's true there aren't as many special permits, but that's because with an archery tag you don't need a special permit for a good hunt, because of the generous general season opportunities that are already available.
Exactly why I will be saving money not putting in for special permit points once I use up already earned points. In addition we archers have some of the better success rates for general season while being really close +- of muzzleloader.
Although I wonder how different success rates of modern would be if you could take out all the permits bought from guys who are just going to hang out around the campfire
Post by: Fullabull on May 13, 2013, 09:51:37 AM
Archery may get a lot more days to hunt but the equipment although faster and more accurate than in the past does not get you any closer to the game as where now you see these TV shows of people shooting out to 1000 yards at animals with their rifles (not ethical). You don't see archery shows with guys taking 100 yard shots at animals. With a bow you still need to get into an effective range to make an ethical killing shot. All the advancements in archery have really only made them more accurate and not long range killing machines!
There is a reason why ML hunters are so restricted and that is because they are the only group who actually get to hunt during the elk rutting cycles. If they allowed them to hunt all the units the elk herds would be devastated and everyone would change to hunting ML.
The only thing I would like them to change is the starting date for archery elk. I would like to have it at least run to the 20th or 21st every year. That would at least provide a small window of opportunity for the archery hunters to taste some actual rutting action. Save the last of Sept. and first week or so of Oct. for the elk to do their thing without pressure.
Post by: huntingfool7 on May 13, 2013, 10:02:39 AM
Post by: Houndhunter on May 13, 2013, 10:57:02 AM
I would like to see some better archery westside bull permits, ive given up and won't be applying for elk this year.
:dunno: :dunno: Where on the westside can we not apply or hunt in a general season? Or do you mean dates for westside archery permits?
Yes exactly, some rut tags in other areas. As it is now imo, theres one good permit and the rest aren't really a quality hunt :twocents:
Post by: NoBark on May 13, 2013, 11:55:40 AM
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There are some really nice late season permit hunts in units for rifle that aare NOT open to archery for a late special season. It's too bad.
I say if a unit is open to one user group, open it for all user groups.
Sideaffect of this is it helps to spread out the hunters. Late seasons can be a zoo because of how few units are opened. :twocents:
Post by: huntnphool on May 13, 2013, 01:24:23 PM
So hunt the ML season with archery gear, problem solved!
There is a reason why ML hunters are so restricted and that is because they are the only group who actually get to hunt during the elk rutting cycles.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 13, 2013, 01:25:49 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2013, 01:35:07 PM
Archery season is before the peak of the rut, muzzleloader is after. Seems fair to me. And if you like one season better than another, you're free to buy a tag for whichever season you prefer.
Post by: huntnphool on May 13, 2013, 01:44:41 PM
if you like one season better than another, you're free to buy a tag for whichever season you prefer.Bingo!
Post by: Kingpuck on May 13, 2013, 11:19:44 PM
Just bought a house tonight so it is high time to get an elk to put on the wall. Those vaulted ceilings have to come in handy somehow.
Post by: huntnphool on May 13, 2013, 11:24:49 PM
Sadly had no idea that archery guys could hunt the ML season.With a multi season permit you can hunt general season too.
Post by: elk247 on May 13, 2013, 11:31:56 PM
Post by: elk247 on May 13, 2013, 11:33:42 PM
Post by: huntnphool on May 13, 2013, 11:55:49 PM
Phool, how many applied for elk multiseason vs. Permits given?Good question, I would have to defer to Bobcat on that one. Reading the threads on this forum it doesn't seem like they actually gave out many elk multi season permits. :dunno:
Post by: elk247 on May 14, 2013, 12:12:13 AM
Post by: winshooter88 on May 14, 2013, 03:48:10 AM
Post by: bobcat on May 14, 2013, 07:14:54 AM
Post by: Fullabull on May 14, 2013, 09:03:21 AM
So hunt the ML season with archery gear, problem solved!
There is a reason why ML hunters are so restricted and that is because they are the only group who actually get to hunt during the elk rutting cycles.
I was just making a statement as to why there are restrictions on the ML hunters.
Bobcat, prime rutting time can run into early Oct. Cows who do not get pregnant their first cycle will cycle another two times or so which can take rutting action late into October. I have hunted in September and October and early Sept is nothing like hunting late Sept. or in October. Early Sept, can be a good time to hunt because the bulls are not all cowed up which can make it easier to get close to them if you can find them (which is the hard part).
Post by: bobcat on May 14, 2013, 09:22:11 AM
Eight years ago I had the Peaches Ridge muzzleloader permit (Oct 1-10 season) and heard lots of bugling up to about October 5th. After that it was like a switch was turned off. No more bugling.
When does muzzleloader season start this year? October 5th! And it was October 6th last year.
Last year I had a cow permit for Winston, early muzzleloader season. We hunted from October 6th to the 10th and never heard a bugle.
That's just a couple of examples but from what I have experienced, you will have a hard time convincing me that elk bugle more in October than they do in September.
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 14, 2013, 09:25:06 AM
Post by: bobcat on May 14, 2013, 09:42:12 AM
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I would only say that I wish we could start the late deer season before Thanksgiving here on the dry side.
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It does start before Thanksgiving.
Thanksgiving is the 28th this year. I see starting dates of Nov 10, Nov 20, Nov 21, Nov 25, and Nov 27, depending on the GMU. :dunno:
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 14, 2013, 09:54:33 AM
Post by: Fullabull on May 14, 2013, 10:04:40 AM
Do you use calling/locating techniques when hunting in October? You can't just go out and expect bulls to bugle just because they are elk, you need to elicit a response and it's much easier to elicit a response in early Oct. then it is in early Sept. The response you get in early Oct. is different than the response you receive in early Sept. They will come in silently more often in early Sept. to check things out. In early Oct. you will either get a bull with cows who will respond but not come to you because they do not want to leave their cows so you will have to go to them or a bull who thinks he might get lucky. In early Sept. I mostly use location or lazy bugles to elicit a response. You have more options in early Oct because there is more rutting going on.
Either way I enjoy my time archery hunting and the time we get to hunt so I will stick with it.
Post by: huntnnw on May 15, 2013, 12:09:10 AM
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 15, 2013, 07:13:51 AM
late archery has never started on Turkey day in those units in the last 20 years that I know of the..the last 3 or 4 years its been Nov 25th and before that it was Nov 20 for a long timeKnow what your talking about before you make yourself look silly. Last year these gmu's opened 3 days after Turkey day. In 2011 & 2010 they opened on Thanksgiving. I know cause I hunted Thanksgiving morning. But in case you don't believe me a simple search of past regs will show you.
Post by: billdo5 on May 15, 2013, 07:29:34 AM
The archery seasons are the best out of all of them. They have great opportunities. That's why I'm archery hunting for elk this year. You get two weeks in September, and then about a 3 week late season. Many units are open for either sex deer and elk hunting. If you have both deer and elk archery tags, it's often possible to take any deer or elk that you see.Thats a bunch of BS especially for elk east side... over there its the same as rifle spike only in almost every unit and for tags to kill a nice bull over there archery only has like a 1/4 of the choices that modern has....
Sorry, but I just don't think there's any reason to say there's a lack of opportunity for archery hunters, in comparison to modern firearm and muzzleloader hunters.
Now if it's special permit hunts you're talking about, yes it's true there aren't as many special permits, but that's because with an archery tag you don't need a special permit for a good hunt, because of the generous general season opportunities that are already available.
Post by: bobcat on May 15, 2013, 07:49:04 AM
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Thats a bunch of BS especially for elk east side... over there its the same as rifle spike only in almost every unit and for tags to kill a nice bull over there archery only has like a 1/4 of the choices that modern has....
As I've said many times, if you don't like the archery seasons, don't hunt archery. Buy a modern tag or a muzzleloader tag instead. Everyone has their choice, every year, to buy any tag they want. So why complain about the choice that you made? If you like one season or side of the state better than another, buy the tag for that season! :bash:
Post by: billdo5 on May 15, 2013, 07:50:48 AM
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Post by: turkeyfeather on May 15, 2013, 07:57:12 AM
For special permits it should be equal amount of choices for each weapon...I disagree with you a bit on this. I think the % of permits needs to be proportionate with the % of hunters.
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 15, 2013, 07:59:27 AM
Post by: dreamunelk on May 15, 2013, 08:10:23 AM
For special permits it should be equal amount of choices for each weapon...I disagree with you a bit on this. I think the % of permits needs to be proportionate with the % of hunters.
The same argument could be used to set seasons.
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 15, 2013, 08:13:21 AM
So your thinking is that modern hunters should get the best season?For special permits it should be equal amount of choices for each weapon...I disagree with you a bit on this. I think the % of permits needs to be proportionate with the % of hunters.
The same argument could be used to set seasons.
Post by: huntnnw on May 15, 2013, 08:44:20 AM
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Post by: billdo5 on May 15, 2013, 09:26:34 AM
Not what im saying at all... keep the same number of total permits just lower it in a different area for archery and transfer those permits to areas that are only offered for muzzloader/modern and open it to archery...For special permits it should be equal amount of choices for each weapon...I disagree with you a bit on this. I think the % of permits needs to be proportionate with the % of hunters.
Post by: huntnphool on May 15, 2013, 09:51:04 AM
Just buy a tag for the dates you want to hunt and use your archery gear, it's not rocket science. :chuckle:Not what im saying at all... keep the same number of total permits just lower it in a different area for archery and transfer those permits to areas that are only offered for muzzloader/modern and open it to archery...For special permits it should be equal amount of choices for each weapon...I disagree with you a bit on this. I think the % of permits needs to be proportionate with the % of hunters.
Post by: billdo5 on May 15, 2013, 09:51:51 AM
Post by: huntnphool on May 15, 2013, 09:58:37 AM
archery hunts tend to be longer though so its a factor its not rocket science :chuckle:The fact is if you hunt with archery gear you have more options than either of the other two weapon choices, whining that you want even more is going to fall on mostly deaf ears around here. :twocents:
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 15, 2013, 10:10:09 AM
2008 and before was Nov 20. 2009 to present has been the 25th with the exceoption of 2011 when it was the 24th. Only 2010 and 2011 the opener fell on turkee last 3 yAnd the exception for the 24th there was a reason for it that year.. Can't remember why. So u can cant on it being the 25th every yearAnd that is what I said. It was on Thanksgiving 2 out of three years.huntnnw- Did you check your facts or are you just recalling from memory. Cause I did check my facts before I commented back to you. I wanted to make sure I wasn't wrong and make a fool out of myself. So I cross referenced the big game regs from the last couple of years with what day Thanksgiving was on. I am right. The opening day for late archery in those gmu's changes from year to year, and 2 out of the last 3 years it opened on Thanksgiving. I am not trying to be an a-hole but you need to be certain before you tell someone that they are wrong.I was saying that I would like it to open a week before Thanksgiving. So turns out I was right after all.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 15, 2013, 10:14:22 AM
Also I wouldn't really consider opening on turkey day 2 years as historically opening that day.
Post by: coachcw on May 15, 2013, 10:17:19 AM
Post by: billdo5 on May 15, 2013, 10:38:26 AM
Not true at all... i dont know where u are getting ur facts.. Sonny maybe lolarchery hunts tend to be longer though so its a factor its not rocket science :chuckle:The fact is if you hunt with archery gear you have more options than either of the other two weapon choices, whining that you want even more is going to fall on mostly deaf ears around here. :twocents:
Post by: NoBark on May 15, 2013, 10:45:19 AM
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As I've said many times, if you don't like the archery seasons, don't hunt archery. Buy a modern tag or a muzzleloader tag instead. Everyone has their choice, every year, to buy any tag they want. So why complain about the choice that you made? If you like one season or side of the state better than another, buy the tag for that season! :bash:
Bobcat, While I totally understan your argument, I don't want to throw th ebaby out with the bathwater here. In order for "choose your weapon" management to work, you have to get people to give up firearms and choose either archery or muzzy. In order to do that, there has to be some incentive. I don't begrudge either bow or muzzy guys who try to keep some of those incentives. This has to happen or else we are back at square one with everyone out on opening day with a rifle in their hands.
While each user group has advantages and disadvantages that are somewhat equal, your statement stands and makes poerfect sense. However, if that balance get out of wack, the system fails in its mission of spreading hunters out.
So, pick your poison, if you will, but lets keep an eye out that no one is messing with the poison. :twocents:
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 15, 2013, 10:46:40 AM
I doubt that'll happen since they started the rifle permitted hunts the 20-24... I too wish they would go back to the 20th opener.I didn't say it was historically the opening day. I have only been hunting archery deer for 4 years now and its has fallin on turkey day a couple times. That was all I was saying. I wasn't commenting on what it used to be cause I honestly have no idea and couldn't comment on that. But it sounds like it used to open earlier and I wish it would again, but also know that is unlikely to never happen. The only reason I fired back this morning was cause Hunt said it never opened on Turkey day and that is absolutely not true.
Also I wouldn't really consider opening on turkey day 2 years as historically opening that day.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 15, 2013, 10:55:44 AM
I had not seen the regs till now. Gmu 121, 124, 127 are where I hunt. These traditionally started on Turkey day. I see that they start a couple days before that, but I would love to see it start about a week before Turkey day.my bad, you used traditionally not historically... 2 times is hardly traditionally to me.
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 15, 2013, 11:10:01 AM
Your right I did use that word. Poor choice of words by me considering I have only hunted archery for 4 years. It is hardly traditional, it's also not never either.I had not seen the regs till now. Gmu 121, 124, 127 are where I hunt. These traditionally started on Turkey day. I see that they start a couple days before that, but I would love to see it start about a week before Turkey day.my bad, you used traditionally not historically... 2 times is hardly traditionally to me.
Post by: billdo5 on May 15, 2013, 11:11:38 AM
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 15, 2013, 11:16:12 AM
Johnny Bravo :tup:Dude, seriously grow up.
Post by: billdo5 on May 15, 2013, 11:17:36 AM
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Post by: turkeyfeather on May 15, 2013, 11:24:25 AM
I dont have thatYeah sure. :tup:
Post by: huntnphool on May 15, 2013, 11:26:15 AM
Try reading the regs, you will find you can use your archery gear in all three weapon seasons.Not true at all... i dont know where u are getting ur facts.archery hunts tend to be longer though so its a factor its not rocket science :chuckle:The fact is if you hunt with archery gear you have more options than either of the other two weapon choices, whining that you want even more is going to fall on mostly deaf ears around here. :twocents:
Post by: billdo5 on May 15, 2013, 11:26:55 AM
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 15, 2013, 11:28:09 AM
Try reading the regs, you will find you can use your archery gear in all three weapon seasons.[quotes when author=huntnphool link=topic=125152.msg1659089#msg1659089 date=1368637117]Not true at all... i dont know where u are getting ur facts.archery hunts tend to be longer though so its a factor its not rocket science :chuckle:The fact is if you hunt with archery gear you have more options than either of the other two weapon choices, whining that you want even more is going to fall on mostly deaf ears around here. :twocents:
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You forget huntnphool, he's 19 so he already knows it all.
Post by: billdo5 on May 15, 2013, 11:29:14 AM
Post by: huntnphool on May 15, 2013, 11:30:24 AM
no $hit sherlock its called lesser weapon... but the seasons are shorter less odds of getting an animal stupid to do that unless u get mulit season :chuckle:So get the multi season permit and quit whining, you can then hunt the entire hunting season.
Post by: billdo5 on May 15, 2013, 11:31:49 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 15, 2013, 11:33:00 AM
Your right I did use that word. Poor choice of words by me considering I have only hunted archery for 4 years. It is hardly traditional, it's also not never either.ya just sounded like the opener was set to turkey day on purpose. Either way it doesn't matter what.the dates were last year unless we can time travel... I'd like to go back and fix some screw ups from past hunts... lol :chuckle:
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 15, 2013, 11:34:10 AM
turkey post ur kills from 2012 please :chuckle:I don't need to. I'm not the one talking about what a great stud hunter I am. I apologize for not feeling the need to show off. It's called being humble. You ever heard that old saying "the one who brags about having the biggest package is usually trying to deflect the fact he doesn't have one". :chuckle:
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 15, 2013, 11:36:31 AM
I hear ya there blaster. And don't get me wrong I was in no way attacking you. Reading back thru my posts I realize it may have come across that way. Just trying to show where I was coming from.Your right I did use that word. Poor choice of words by me considering I have only hunted archery for 4 years. It is hardly traditional, it's also not never either.ya just sounded like the opener was set to turkey day on purpose. Either way it doesn't matter what.the dates were last year unless we can time travel... I'd like to go back and fix some screw ups from past hunts... lol :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 15, 2013, 11:37:09 AM
Do me a favor post pics of what u killed not other people bud
Dill do, do you say anything productive? Ever? What turkeyfeather killed last year doesn't matter when we were arguing about seasons dates... why do you even care about what permits are offered since you kill giant Roosevelt bulls in general season every year anyways... no need for you to even get a permit.
Post by: billdo5 on May 15, 2013, 11:38:09 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 15, 2013, 11:39:23 AM
Can we all gang up on Bilbo now?
Post by: billdo5 on May 15, 2013, 11:39:55 AM
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 15, 2013, 11:42:21 AM
Not really much of a challenge there is it?
Can we all gang up on Bilbo now?
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on May 15, 2013, 12:15:18 PM
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Post by: coachcw on May 15, 2013, 12:47:01 PM
Post by: billdo5 on May 15, 2013, 12:47:40 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on May 15, 2013, 01:15:11 PM
I'm just glad that I wasn't on this web site at 19 :chuckle:
Why? Most 19 year olds know how to handle themselves amongst adults.
Post by: billdo5 on May 15, 2013, 01:42:05 PM
Post by: tickle on May 15, 2013, 02:20:04 PM
Post by: grundy53 on May 15, 2013, 02:34:36 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 15, 2013, 02:38:38 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on May 15, 2013, 02:48:11 PM
Post by: billdo5 on May 15, 2013, 02:49:42 PM
Post by: huntnphool on May 15, 2013, 02:58:21 PM
Some day Billdo will grow up and realize how stupid he sounded when he was younger.... hopefully...Not likely
Post by: sirmissalot on May 15, 2013, 02:59:58 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on May 15, 2013, 03:05:06 PM
I kill every year billdo, many of us on here do. You are just the only one constantly bringing it up. The bull you killed last year was a decent one, I'll give you that, but everything else it looks like you've killed have been dinks, even your desert buck. Thats not much to be proud of... not the way you keep bragging about it.:yeah:
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 15, 2013, 03:12:38 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 15, 2013, 04:02:37 PM
yep u can also hope to kill something next year, guess what $hit in one hand and wish in the other, you all know the rest lol :chuckle:me kill something next year probably not. If anybody knows me they know I'm not much of a killer :chuckle:
Post by: grundy53 on May 15, 2013, 04:04:19 PM
I kill every year billdo, many of us on here do. You are just the only one constantly bringing it up. The bull you killed last year was a decent one, I'll give you that, but everything else it looks like you've killed have been dinks, even your desert buck. Thats not much to be proud of... not the way you keep bragging about it.:yeah: Most of us act like we have done it before....
Post by: grundy53 on May 15, 2013, 04:07:30 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 15, 2013, 04:09:49 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on May 15, 2013, 04:42:42 PM
I want to meet billdo and see if he's the same in person. Hopefully he's not.
You can meet him anytime you want he lives at the rainier school off Ryan road.
Post by: billdo5 on May 15, 2013, 11:18:23 PM
I kill every year billdo, many of us on here do. You are just the only one constantly bringing it up. The bull you killed last year was a decent one, I'll give you that, but everything else it looks like you've killed have been dinks, even your desert buck. Thats not much to be proud of... not the way you keep bragging about it.with a bow out in the desert is not bad scored 150 but thanks lol
Post by: PolarBear on May 15, 2013, 11:36:00 PM
Post by: Kingpuck on May 27, 2013, 06:47:11 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on May 27, 2013, 07:27:38 AM
Post by: benhuntin on May 27, 2013, 07:59:36 AM
thats the one.thank you.i spent quite a while talkin with the guy.seems they are really lookin out for our interests.i think i will send em some money this yearthere was an archery foundation at the bighorn show.i didnt have any cash left to join but they sounded like they were standing up for our seasons and other such issues.i forget the name,but will do a little research n hopefully get back to youWashington State Bowhunters. .
Post by: Maybee-R on May 27, 2013, 03:43:53 PM
I say leave it alone. I should of payed more attention before wasting the money on permits. but I just bought with out looking.
Later early season starts would be awesome, more for weather then rut opportunity. I hate worrying about 90+ degrees during the first half of sept. Almost lost part of my elk year before last because of the hot temps. Lucky I had some help.
Post by: JJD on May 29, 2013, 07:03:14 AM
Id gladly give up late archery for more special permits for elk and deer. Would love to see some rut hunts for deer with limited numbers of hunters and great quality. Same for elk,
I'd gladly give up the EARLY archery season to have more late season opportunities. I don't care for hunting over here when its 80+ degrees.
Post by: PolarBear on May 29, 2013, 11:18:15 AM
I don't even start hunting deer and elk until late season. If I shot a buck in September in my honey hole, it would be rotten before I got it out!
Post by: popeshawnpaul on May 30, 2013, 08:06:17 AM
Join any or all of the three archery organizations in Wa state to help ou bowhunting. WSAA, WSB and TBW all work together on the Archery Coalition that works together lobbying the Department for our hunting opportunities. All 3 oganizations also have board members who are aaso members of the Game Management Advisory Council (GMAC) that meet with the department quarterly. I belong to WSAA and TBW, and will join the WSB when they get he website back up and running. I was the Hunting VP for the WSAA until last fall when my health got bad, and I resigned to take care of tat situation, I still sit on the GMAC as the WSAA Alternate and sit as Board chair for the Archery Coalition. You hve very dedicated bowhunters sittngon theCoalition from all 3 organization committed to enhancing our outdoor experience and opportunities. As faras resource alloction (who gets what and how may tags) I can tell you we as bowhunters are very well represented on the allocation committee by Sean and Dean. If you ever have any questions plase feel free to contact me and if I cannot asnwer thm I can get you in touch wth a person who can.
Well put Ren. Reality is we all work together for the same purpose but we are all in the same meetings, shoulder to shoulder, fighting for the same seasons. People get the wrong idea that equipment has divided us and we don't work together. That's not a true statement. Join the organization that fits you and help through an organization so you can make a real difference. WSB and TBW are both good choices. WSB has struggled the last few years trying to update website, database, etc. but we are close to being online and updated. We are all volunteer organizations run by regular guys so we aren't perfect but do the best we can. Truth is, you probably have little chance to change anything on your own but you stand a good chance if you represent a larger portion of the user group. We can talk about whether this is right or wrong but it's how it is.
Permits are one small problem we face. Early elk season is a problem and the loss of seasons only to fight hard for years to try and get back what we once had.
Post by: huntnphool on May 30, 2013, 09:22:02 AM
+1Join any or all of the three archery organizations in Wa state to help ou bowhunting. WSAA, WSB and TBW all work together on the Archery Coalition that works together lobbying the Department for our hunting opportunities. All 3 oganizations also have board members who are aaso members of the Game Management Advisory Council (GMAC) that meet with the department quarterly. I belong to WSAA and TBW, and will join the WSB when they get he website back up and running. I was the Hunting VP for the WSAA until last fall when my health got bad, and I resigned to take care of tat situation, I still sit on the GMAC as the WSAA Alternate and sit as Board chair for the Archery Coalition. You hve very dedicated bowhunters sittngon theCoalition from all 3 organization committed to enhancing our outdoor experience and opportunities. As faras resource alloction (who gets what and how may tags) I can tell you we as bowhunters are very well represented on the allocation committee by Sean and Dean. If you ever have any questions plase feel free to contact me and if I cannot asnwer thm I can get you in touch wth a person who can.
Well put Ren. Reality is we all work together for the same purpose but we are all in the same meetings, shoulder to shoulder, fighting for the same seasons. People get the wrong idea that equipment has divided us and we don't work together. That's not a true statement. Join the organization that fits you and help through an organization so you can make a real difference. WSB and TBW are both good choices. WSB has struggled the last few years trying to update website, database, etc. but we are close to being online and updated. We are all volunteer organizations run by regular guys so we aren't perfect but do the best we can. Truth is, you probably have little chance to change anything on your own but you stand a good chance if you represent a larger portion of the user group. We can talk about whether this is right or wrong but it's how it is.
Permits are one small problem we face. Early elk season is a problem and the loss of seasons only to fight hard for years to try and get back what we once had.
Post by: floatinghat on May 30, 2013, 08:11:52 PM
I've always archery hunted but went muzzleloader for deer this year. You think archery tags are bad? Take a look at muzzleloader...
:yeah:
Post by: billdo5 on May 31, 2013, 01:01:09 AM