Post by: huntnnw on May 19, 2013, 09:46:24 PM
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Post by: Pigfuz on May 19, 2013, 09:49:04 PM
Sorry that your camera got stolen. :(
Post by: Widgeondeke on May 19, 2013, 09:50:10 PM
You gonna show pics of "alledged thieves"?
Post by: huntnnw on May 19, 2013, 09:56:37 PM
I am calling the colville DNR
Post by: pd on May 19, 2013, 10:04:55 PM
Un=be=lievable!
Post by: huntnnw on May 19, 2013, 10:14:03 PM
Post by: Orion88 on May 19, 2013, 10:16:09 PM
Post by: huntnnw on May 19, 2013, 10:17:22 PM
also the 2 guys came in 3 days before they started and surveyed it I think..I would wanna talk to them or they be talk to first
Post by: jrebel on May 19, 2013, 10:26:16 PM
Post by: huntnnw on May 19, 2013, 10:28:27 PM
Post by: jrebel on May 19, 2013, 10:31:31 PM
Post by: sled on May 19, 2013, 10:35:00 PM
Post by: huntnnw on May 19, 2013, 10:36:30 PM
Post by: wilsongideon on May 21, 2013, 08:55:38 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 21, 2013, 08:59:21 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 21, 2013, 09:01:31 PM
What's even more suspicious is what he has in his cargo pocket. It is something heavy and bulky.....looks like it is square in shape l.....also a can of chew.
Both guys have heavy stuff in their right side cargo pockets. And tools hanging off their belts and pants. My gut says its probably tools or work items in their pockets.
So what did the DNR guys say when you called, Shane?
Post by: wsucowboy on May 21, 2013, 09:17:14 PM
those are great cougar shots....stinks about your camera though, so I am curious did you have any security measures to prevent it?:yeah:
Post by: TheSkyBuster on May 21, 2013, 09:25:56 PM
I'm not saying they didn't take your trail cam, just that you might not have proof of the theft on film.
Post by: huntnnw on May 21, 2013, 10:40:53 PM
No security measures as I should not have to worry about people touching chit thats not theres..I own way to many cams to own enough boxes to lock them up and most boxes are usless from one brand to another.
I do know that the pics of the crew in question are staying in kettle falls at a motel..a friend saw the redheaded guy getting into a truck today.
that bigger guy in the pic..the radio/gps is not the same thing in the redheads hand..has a silver top and antenna for sure
Post by: troyspinetar on May 22, 2013, 07:11:32 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on May 22, 2013, 07:24:51 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 22, 2013, 07:26:26 AM
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Post by: jackelope on May 22, 2013, 07:27:12 AM
:)
Post by: huntingfool7 on May 22, 2013, 08:18:12 AM
Can you post a picture of another similar game camera while holding it in a similar fashion/position?
Post by: TommyH on May 22, 2013, 09:35:53 AM
Post by: boneaddict on May 22, 2013, 09:42:35 AM
Post by: DUGANDEER on May 22, 2013, 09:44:23 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 22, 2013, 09:46:33 AM
post #14- sure looks like a game cam to me.
Can you post a picture of another similar game camera while holding it in a similar fashion/position?
Looks like a little grey box to me. Could be anything.
Post by: quadrafire on May 22, 2013, 10:12:39 AM
That is suspicious for sure.
Maybe they saw who took it. :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on May 22, 2013, 10:40:11 AM
Looks similar to the uniforms of the crew I saw burning on the LPO last year :dunno:
That is suspicious for sure.
Maybe they saw who took it. :chuckle:
:yeah:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on May 22, 2013, 10:44:55 AM
Dang, I guess I could have made them a little smaller.LIKE BUTTON :chuckle:
:)
Post by: hunterrcc on May 22, 2013, 11:26:44 AM
Post by: huntingfool7 on May 22, 2013, 11:52:15 AM
post #14- sure looks like a game cam to me.
Can you post a picture of another similar game camera while holding it in a similar fashion/position?
Looks like a little grey box to me. Could be anything.
I carried a Big Axx pager that looked like that for years. Until the courtesy clerk at Fred Meyers said, "YO I dig that garage door opener on your belt". :chuckle:
Could be anything? Maybe but that "little grey box"...looks like my game camera!
Post by: motg9_6 on May 22, 2013, 01:36:34 PM
Post by: huntnnw on May 22, 2013, 04:30:29 PM
Post by: TommyH on May 22, 2013, 04:41:12 PM
Post by: jrebel on May 22, 2013, 04:46:16 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on May 22, 2013, 04:49:40 PM
Post by: huntnnw on May 22, 2013, 05:00:03 PM
Post by: wilsongideon on May 22, 2013, 05:05:35 PM
Post by: quadrafire on May 22, 2013, 05:05:39 PM
Think ill put stickers on inside of camera with my emailThat's not a bad idea. Didn't seem like you went through too many hoops to get it back.
Post by: Austrian Hunter on May 22, 2013, 05:12:37 PM
Post by: boneaddict on May 22, 2013, 05:29:39 PM
Post by: huntnnw on May 22, 2013, 05:39:02 PM
Post by: St.Clair5x5 on May 22, 2013, 05:40:37 PM
Post by: lewy on May 22, 2013, 05:58:37 PM
Post by: bear hunter on May 22, 2013, 06:19:54 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 22, 2013, 08:08:31 PM
Received a phone call today from forest service ... They have my camera... They removed the camera , because they are going to do a prescribed burn. Still not pleased for all the hoops I had to jump thru to recover it.
What should they have done in your mind?? They saved your camera from being burned up and got it back to you with no way to ID the owner. You should have thanked them rather than complain about hoops you had to jump through.
:twocents:
Post by: huntnnw on May 22, 2013, 09:07:19 PM
I'm not the only one who feels the same way over this issue. Many on here have texted me over this issue.
Post by: motg9_6 on May 23, 2013, 05:08:01 AM
Post by: huntnnw on May 23, 2013, 06:32:06 AM
Post by: Johnb317 on May 23, 2013, 06:51:51 AM
Lot less expensive then gas. I'd include a $5 Starbucks card for their trouble.
They thought they were doing the right thing and at least you're getting the camera pack.
Mother always said you catch more flies with honey.
Post by: lee on May 23, 2013, 07:22:32 AM
Suggestion. Send them an empty box with return address label and postage.:yeah:
Lot less expensive then gas. I'd include a $5 Starbucks card for their trouble.
They thought they were doing the right thing and at least you're getting the camera pack.
Mother always said you catch more flies with honey.
Post by: boneaddict on May 23, 2013, 07:23:23 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 23, 2013, 07:50:09 AM
I'd rather it been left the hell alone! Nobody did me any favor taking it down. Now I gotta find away to get it. 2 hr drive! My last trip up I was there to pull it down. If it got burned it gets burned and that's on me, but I highly doubt it woulda been effected with a prescribed burn and where it was.
I'm not the only one who feels the same way over this issue. Many on here have texted me over this issue.
I guess if they left it alone, you could have got a big pile of charcoal back. Instead you're getting your camera back that you probably spent $100+ on. Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for you. You're getting your camera back, it didn't get incinerated, the guys thought they were doing a good deed and you continue to trash on them. I'll never understand people like you.
:sry:
Suggestion. Send them an empty box with return address label and postage.:yeah:
Lot less expensive then gas. I'd include a $5 Starbucks card for their trouble.
They thought they were doing the right thing and at least you're getting the camera pack.
Mother always said you catch more flies with honey.
Post by: TommyH on May 23, 2013, 08:00:24 AM
I'd rather it been left the hell alone! Nobody did me any favor taking it down. Now I gotta find away to get it. 2 hr drive! My last trip up I was there to pull it down. If it got burned it gets burned and that's on me, but I highly doubt it woulda been effected with a prescribed burn and where it was.
I'm not the only one who feels the same way over this issue. Many on here have texted me over this issue.
I guess if they left it alone, you could have got a big pile of charcoal back. Instead you're getting your camera back that you probably spent $100+ on. Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for you. You're getting your camera back, it didn't get incinerated, the guys thought they were doing a good deed and you continue to trash on them. I'll never understand people like you.
:sry:Suggestion. Send them an empty box with return address label and postage.:yeah:
Lot less expensive then gas. I'd include a $5 Starbucks card for their trouble.
They thought they were doing the right thing and at least you're getting the camera pack.
Mother always said you catch more flies with honey.
Maybe they were doing what they thought what was a good deed, maybe :dunno: maybe someone thought they scored a cam and planned on keeping it.
Post by: Jonathan_S on May 23, 2013, 08:33:14 AM
I guess if they left it alone, you could have got a big pile of charcoal back. Instead you're getting your camera back that you probably spent $100+ on. Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for you. You're getting your camera back, it didn't get incinerated, the guys thought they were doing a good deed and you continue to trash on them. I'll never understand people like you.
:sry:
:yeah: people have their cameras stolen by outright thieves all the time and you were a rare exception, be thankful :tup:
Post by: JLS on May 23, 2013, 08:56:13 AM
Suggestion. Send them an empty box with return address label and postage.
Lot less expensive then gas. I'd include a $5 Starbucks card for their trouble.
They thought they were doing the right thing and at least you're getting the camera pack.
Mother always said you catch more flies with honey.
:yeah:
I find it hard to believe that if they had melted your cam with the burn you wouldn't say a word in complaint.
Post by: pd on May 23, 2013, 09:25:27 AM
The good news is this: Our FS did NOT steal his personal property. I disagree with the line of thinking that private property--such as trail cameras--are somehow "illegally placed" on public property. Balderdash!
All is well that ends well. Please follow the advice of a previous poster, and send the FS a gift card. (I often will stop by the local grocery store and buy a box of doughnuts for the crew--truly, I do. It can never hurt, believe me.)
Thanks for closing the loop on this story.
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on May 23, 2013, 10:04:02 AM
I'd rather it been left the hell alone! Nobody did me any favor taking it down. Now I gotta find away to get it. 2 hr drive! My last trip up I was there to pull it down. If it got burned it gets burned and that's on me, but I highly doubt it woulda been effected with a prescribed burn and where it was.
I'm not the only one who feels the same way over this issue. Many on here have texted me over this issue.
I guess if they left it alone, you could have got a big pile of charcoal back. Instead you're getting your camera back that you probably spent $100+ on. Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for you. You're getting your camera back, it didn't get incinerated, the guys thought they were doing a good deed and you continue to trash on them. I'll never understand people like you.
:sry:Suggestion. Send them an empty box with return address label and postage.:yeah:
Lot less expensive then gas. I'd include a $5 Starbucks card for their trouble.
They thought they were doing the right thing and at least you're getting the camera pack.
Mother always said you catch more flies with honey.
Maybe they were doing what they thought what was a good deed, maybe :dunno: maybe someone thought they scored a cam and planned on keeping it.
:yeah:
I'd lean towards someone though they scored a free cam and then when they got asked about it they played I didn't want it getting burned up card. It simple if it's not yours leave it alone. If it got burned up so be it either way the cam owner would be out a cam. People can say what you will but it that a standard practice of the FS to take public property? If so were is stored and does it get sold at a public auction?
If so I want the website or phone number. If they don't have a good enough answer as to what policy they have in writing that tells their employees to take other peoples things without permission in the case of a burn then what they did was a stole that cam regardless of what they say their just trying to cover their butts. :twocents: :dunno:
Post by: MLBowhunting on May 23, 2013, 10:06:05 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 23, 2013, 10:11:14 AM
If so I want the website or phone number. If they don't have a good enough answer as to what policy they have in writing that tells their employees to take other peoples things without permission in the case of a burn then what they did was a stole that cam regardless of what they say their just trying to cover their butts. :twocents: :dunno:
It's the United States Forest Service. It should be easy enough to find contact info.
Google is your friend.
Post by: jackelope on May 23, 2013, 10:13:40 AM
http://www.fs.fed.us/ (http://www.fs.fed.us/)
I don't want to get blamed for attempting a cover up.
:)
Post by: JLS on May 23, 2013, 10:25:49 AM
I'd rather it been left the hell alone! Nobody did me any favor taking it down. Now I gotta find away to get it. 2 hr drive! My last trip up I was there to pull it down. If it got burned it gets burned and that's on me, but I highly doubt it woulda been effected with a prescribed burn and where it was.
I'm not the only one who feels the same way over this issue. Many on here have texted me over this issue.
I guess if they left it alone, you could have got a big pile of charcoal back. Instead you're getting your camera back that you probably spent $100+ on. Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for you. You're getting your camera back, it didn't get incinerated, the guys thought they were doing a good deed and you continue to trash on them. I'll never understand people like you.
:sry:Suggestion. Send them an empty box with return address label and postage.:yeah:
Lot less expensive then gas. I'd include a $5 Starbucks card for their trouble.
They thought they were doing the right thing and at least you're getting the camera pack.
Mother always said you catch more flies with honey.
Maybe they were doing what they thought what was a good deed, maybe :dunno: maybe someone thought they scored a cam and planned on keeping it.
:yeah:
I'd lean towards someone though they scored a free cam and then when they got asked about it they played I didn't want it getting burned up card. It simple if it's not yours leave it alone. If it got burned up so be it either way the cam owner would be out a cam. People can say what you will but it that a standard practice of the FS to take public property? If so were is stored and does it get sold at a public auction?
If so I want the website or phone number. If they don't have a good enough answer as to what policy they have in writing that tells their employees to take other peoples things without permission in the case of a burn then what they did was a stole that cam regardless of what they say their just trying to cover their butts. :twocents: :dunno:
Attitudes like yours are the kind that will eventually lead to a policy that one may not leave trail cams on USFS property so they don't have to deal with people like this. You are assuming the worst without anything to back it up and trashing away on them. Very classy.
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on May 23, 2013, 01:52:11 PM
I'd rather it been left the hell alone! Nobody did me any favor taking it down. Now I gotta find away to get it. 2 hr drive! My last trip up I was there to pull it down. If it got burned it gets burned and that's on me, but I highly doubt it woulda been effected with a prescribed burn and where it was.
I'm not the only one who feels the same way over this issue. Many on here have texted me over this issue.
I guess if they left it alone, you could have got a big pile of charcoal back. Instead you're getting your camera back that you probably spent $100+ on. Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for you. You're getting your camera back, it didn't get incinerated, the guys thought they were doing a good deed and you continue to trash on them. I'll never understand people like you.
:sry:Suggestion. Send them an empty box with return address label and postage.:yeah:
Lot less expensive then gas. I'd include a $5 Starbucks card for their trouble.
They thought they were doing the right thing and at least you're getting the camera pack.
Mother always said you catch more flies with honey.
Maybe they were doing what they thought what was a good deed, maybe :dunno: maybe someone thought they scored a cam and planned on keeping it.
:yeah:
I'd lean towards someone though they scored a free cam and then when they got asked about it they played I didn't want it getting burned up card. It simple if it's not yours leave it alone. If it got burned up so be it either way the cam owner would be out a cam. People can say what you will but it that a standard practice of the FS to take public property? If so were is stored and does it get sold at a public auction?
If so I want the website or phone number. If they don't have a good enough answer as to what policy they have in writing that tells their employees to take other peoples things without permission in the case of a burn then what they did was a stole that cam regardless of what they say their just trying to cover their butts. :twocents: :dunno:
Attitudes like yours are the kind that will eventually lead to a policy that one may not leave trail cams on USFS property so they don't have to deal with people like this. You are assuming the worst without anything to back it up and trashing away on them. Very classy.
Say what you will but look at our government right now. You think their honest with the public. Tapping the APs phones and going after reporters for using their first amendment rights. Selling guns to cartels, the list goes on and on. Our government is a bunch of crooks.
In case you forgot USFS property is our land we pay for it with tax payer dollars. They work for us. Since when is it okay to take someone else's property? Maybe we can give them the benefit of the doubt but look at this article it happens all the time.
http://www.jeffersonminingdistrict.com/legal-news/USFS-Terror-USFS-steals-miners-property-from-california%20-miner.html (http://www.jeffersonminingdistrict.com/legal-news/USFS-Terror-USFS-steals-miners-property-from-california%20-miner.html)
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865561963/Forest-Service-trailer-snowmobile-stolen-former-employee-arrested.html?pg=all (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865561963/Forest-Service-trailer-snowmobile-stolen-former-employee-arrested.html?pg=all)
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2002/09/10/1470961.php (http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2002/09/10/1470961.php)
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51176261-76/forest-service-robinson-chain.html.csp (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51176261-76/forest-service-robinson-chain.html.csp)
http://www.katu.com/news/business/4664231.html (http://www.katu.com/news/business/4664231.html)
Post by: jackelope on May 23, 2013, 02:02:14 PM
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Since when is it okay to take someone else's property?
When it's about to get incinerated, I'd consider it a favor and appreciate it. I guess I just wouldn't assume they stole it. Too bad these guys got trashed on here with their pictures being posted without knowing one way or the other.
Or is that ok too?
:twocents:
Post by: JLS on May 23, 2013, 02:21:35 PM
Say what you will but look at our government right now. You think their honest with the public. Tapping the APs phones and going after reporters for using their first amendment rights. Selling guns to cartels, the list goes on and on. Our government is a bunch of crooks.
In case you forgot USFS property is our land we pay for it with tax payer dollars. They work for us. Since when is it okay to take someone else's property? Maybe we can give them the benefit of the doubt but look at this article it happens all the time.
http://www.jeffersonminingdistrict.com/legal-news/USFS-Terror-USFS-steals-miners-property-from-california%20-miner.html (http://www.jeffersonminingdistrict.com/legal-news/USFS-Terror-USFS-steals-miners-property-from-california%20-miner.html)
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865561963/Forest-Service-trailer-snowmobile-stolen-former-employee-arrested.html?pg=all (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865561963/Forest-Service-trailer-snowmobile-stolen-former-employee-arrested.html?pg=all)
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2002/09/10/1470961.php (http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2002/09/10/1470961.php)
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51176261-76/forest-service-robinson-chain.html.csp (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51176261-76/forest-service-robinson-chain.html.csp)
http://www.katu.com/news/business/4664231.html (http://www.katu.com/news/business/4664231.html)
And there are crooked thieves within the private sector too. What's your point? That there are crooked people within all walks of life? Thank you Captain Obvious.
I have absolutely no affiliation with the Forest Service, but I've known some very outstanding employees that have worked for them. Folks who went out of their way to help others on a routine basis. I am willing to give these guys the benefit of the doubt that they didn't want to melt his trailcam.
Maybe the USFS will read your post and assume that all private citizens are paranoid and willing to trash anyone with no evidence?
Post by: huntnnw on May 23, 2013, 03:17:06 PM
PLEASE show me where I trashed anyone other than posting pics of who I THOUGHT / HIGHLY LIKELY responsible for my camera going missing .. And guess what I was right ! I will post pics of anyone or anything I DAMN well please if it's on my cam!
I just got off the phone with the coordinator of the area.. They are NOT going to burn it now..hmm... He was extremely apologetic for it and was going to take it back , someone within crew took it down. He was willing to do anything to get it back to me without hassling me.. From just mailing it to leaving it for me at a desired location.
Plain and simple don't touch it!!!
Post by: quadrafire on May 23, 2013, 03:22:25 PM
I didn't vote for Obama and I think you over-reacted.
This has been a fun thread. I hope it keeps going for awhile. :)
Post by: huntnnw on May 23, 2013, 03:25:50 PM
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on May 23, 2013, 03:28:05 PM
The responses to this astound me and I have no doubt why Obama is in office. Camera would HAVE NOT been charcoal where it was.. In case u have never witnessed a prescribed burn educate yourself ! Also I would of not cared that if the area was burned and cam was left up! That's something I contend with and no different with bears ruining cams oh well.
PLEASE show me where I trashed anyone other than posting pics of who I THOUGHT / HIGHLY LIKELY responsible for my camera going missing .. And guess what I was right ! I will post pics of anyone or anything I DAMN well please if it's on my cam!
I just got off the phone with the coordinator of the area.. They are NOT going to burn it now..hmm... He was extremely apologetic for it and was going to take it back , someone within crew took it down. He was willing to do anything to get it back to me without hassling me.. From just mailing it to leaving it for me at a desired location.
Plain and simple don't touch it!!!
:yeah:
Post by: bobcat on May 23, 2013, 03:30:36 PM
Over reacted! I just said leave it alone . Maybe you confused others post on here with mine . Typical wetside people on here
Quadrafire is in Spokane. :dunno:
Is that the "wetside?"
Post by: huntnnw on May 23, 2013, 03:32:22 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 23, 2013, 03:37:15 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 23, 2013, 03:39:37 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 23, 2013, 03:45:59 PM
Post by: xd2005 on May 23, 2013, 03:46:21 PM
Well this classification of people based on which side of the state they live is something I am not a fan of. Who took your camera? Not a westsider. Isn't that the person you're angry with?
:yeah:
Post by: jackelope on May 23, 2013, 03:47:05 PM
Well this classification of people based on which side of the state they live is something I am not a fan of. Who took your camera? Not a westsider. Isn't that the person you're angry with?
It's all western washington's fault.
:chuckle:
Typical eastside folk, always accusing the westside folk of their problems, even when said westside folk aren't even from the westside.
:dunno:
I'm so confused how this became a "typical westside" thing.
Post by: jackelope on May 23, 2013, 03:52:06 PM
Post by: hunterrcc on May 23, 2013, 03:53:24 PM
So what does everyone think now that there is no burn going on. Come on get real the guys jacked his camera then lied about it and HuntNW is 100% right if they didn't take his camera they wouldn't have their pictures on here would they! They thought they got away with another persons camera but they were quite wrong this time! Glad you got it back. They should be sending him a giftcard for his trouble since its pretty clear the they were not trying to save his camera, give me a break.
Is it ok next time that one of you park your truck on Public Ground if I take it home with me? It is not yours leave it if you don't it's theft!
Post by: hrd2fnd on May 23, 2013, 03:55:08 PM
It's the reaction of a lot of folks in this thread that will stop the rest of the world from doing stuff to help people out. Call it what you want, but the feelings people have after some of the accusations that are flying around in this thread is the sort of thing that causes that. I guess I always considered myself the type of person that would help someone if I felt like they needed help. If that meant moving something so it wouldn't get destroyed, then that's what I would do. Knowing that I might get accused of stealing it and having my pictures posted on the web with no solid evidence to back up your accusations may stop me from helping people in the future(it probably won't stop me, but it will stop someone for sure). That is the way the world is going now, and that is truly sad.:yeah:
Post by: Skillet on May 23, 2013, 03:56:55 PM
Post by: hunterrcc on May 23, 2013, 03:59:09 PM
The Forest Service employees actions here are shady at best. Honestly sounds to me like a dude thought he found a freebie in the woods and got caught. But that doesn't mean all FS employee's are thieves. Just like all west-siders aren't latte sippin', leaf lickin', wolf huggin', Franken lovin', limp wristed liberals, and all east-siders aren't beer guzzlin', deer poachin', Hannity lovin', bible thumpin' room-temperature IQ rednecks (I've spent about half of my adult life in each place, so I feel qualified to make this comment).
100% agree....
Post by: TommyH on May 23, 2013, 04:15:15 PM
How do we know they didn't intend to put the camera back where they found it after the fire was done burning?
We don't.
We also don't know if the employee intended to keep it for himself.
We do know that it was taken.
We also know that when huntnnw contacted them with a pretty good idea one of them took it, the crew boss/supervisor talked to the crew, got it back and is really trying to smooth things over.......
Post by: Nilehunter on May 23, 2013, 05:01:49 PM
Right - wrong.
East - west.
Take it - Leave it.
:stirthepot:
Mmmm I say it's wrong to take it. Someone from the west side would have known not to touch it. I'd left it alone and think poor sap's gonna miss his cam.
Post by: quadrafire on May 23, 2013, 09:32:32 PM
Post by: wilsongideon on May 23, 2013, 10:47:23 PM
Post by: Ballance1 on May 25, 2013, 01:06:39 PM
Post by: Unacceptable on May 25, 2013, 06:48:52 PM
I would like to first mention that I am one of the accused individuals who have been bashed in this thread about the Game Cam being removed from Scalawag Ridge up off of South Fork Sherman Creek.
For the most part there were very few TRUE FACTS mentioned. The one FACT that was completely correct was the camera was removed. Everything else mentioned was assumption with NO proven evidence against any of the individuals. I can tell you FIRST hand who the individuals are, who actually took the camera (NONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS ON THE PICS TOOK THE CAM DOWN, NOR DID WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL A COUPLE DAYS AGO. I AM GLAD TO KNOW THAT WE ARE COMPLETELY GUILTY SINCE OUR PICS ARE ON THE OTHER CAM THOUGH), and that no intended harm was meant to come from this act of HUMAN KINDNESS.
A few things I have taken from this thread: I have learned from reading this that many people out there would like folks to let their property be ruined instead of saved, point taken. It was funny to watch this thread switch to an Eastside/Westside discussion and also a govt bashing discussion as well.
Thanks for taking MOST of the pics down and would appreciate the last few taken down as well. Also appreciate the pics of the cat since I will be spending time up there prepping for the future burn. If I see one of your cams I will make sure to leave it and even give you a smile and wave so we stay on good terms.
Food for thought to everyone – If I place a $100 bill nailed to a tree out on public lands would any of you take it down if you saw it? I would hope not since it is not your property and you should leave it alone as stated many times in this thread about the game cam.
Appreciate the time to hopefully let folks know that all individuals in the pics had no idea about the cam, thank those of you that have stuck up for the individuals in question, and also to wish all of you good luck in getting whatever it is you are hunting!
Post by: quadrafire on May 25, 2013, 07:28:14 PM
Well said
Post by: JLS on May 25, 2013, 07:59:42 PM
This is one of the most interesting threads I have been a part of lately. Learning a lot about people here!
And, unfortunately not all of it is good. :(
Post by: bobcat on May 25, 2013, 08:04:56 PM
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For the most part there were very few TRUE FACTS mentioned. The one FACT that was completely correct was the camera was removed. Everything else mentioned was assumption with NO proven evidence against any of the individuals. I can tell you FIRST hand who the individuals are, who actually took the camera
So what are the facts, and who took down the camera?
Post by: Wilderness Addict on May 25, 2013, 08:36:37 PM
Glad to see you got your camera back!
Post by: jackelope on May 25, 2013, 08:45:12 PM
Post by: motg9_6 on May 28, 2013, 08:04:05 AM
For all that have made comments about the following thread:
I would like to first mention that I am one of the accused individuals who have been bashed in this thread about the Game Cam being removed from Scalawag Ridge up off of South Fork Sherman Creek.
For the most part there were very few TRUE FACTS mentioned. The one FACT that was completely correct was the camera was removed. Everything else mentioned was assumption with NO proven evidence against any of the individuals. I can tell you FIRST hand who the individuals are, who actually took the camera (NONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS ON THE PICS TOOK THE CAM DOWN, NOR DID WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL A COUPLE DAYS AGO. I AM GLAD TO KNOW THAT WE ARE COMPLETELY GUILTY SINCE OUR PICS ARE ON THE OTHER CAM THOUGH), and that no intended harm was meant to come from this act of HUMAN KINDNESS.
A few things I have taken from this thread: I have learned from reading this that many people out there would like folks to let their property be ruined instead of saved, point taken. It was funny to watch this thread switch to an Eastside/Westside discussion and also a govt bashing discussion as well.
Thanks for taking MOST of the pics down and would appreciate the last few taken down as well. Also appreciate the pics of the cat since I will be spending time up there prepping for the future burn. If I see one of your cams I will make sure to leave it and even give you a smile and wave so we stay on good terms.
Food for thought to everyone – If I place a $100 bill nailed to a tree out on public lands would any of you take it down if you saw it? I would hope not since it is not your property and you should leave it alone as stated many times in this thread about the game cam.
Appreciate the time to hopefully let folks know that all individuals in the pics had no idea about the cam, thank those of you that have stuck up for the individuals in question, and also to wish all of you good luck in getting whatever it is you are hunting!
I understand what your saying and agree with you but take into consideration how you would feel if it was us camera somebody removed and left NO sign of who took it. If it wasn't for the other camera with your pics he wouldn't have known where to start looking. Not saying its right for those to just accuse but what the difference between your camera getting burnt and just going missing??? Nothing your camera is still gone! So in retrospect no body should have touched the camera. Just my :twocents:
Post by: motg9_6 on May 28, 2013, 08:07:03 AM
Post by: h20hunter on May 28, 2013, 08:12:41 AM
Post by: Greenhorn on May 28, 2013, 08:27:47 AM
Post by: Broker on May 28, 2013, 09:13:20 AM
For all that have made comments about the following thread:
I would like to first mention that I am one of the accused individuals who have been bashed in this thread about the Game Cam being removed from Scalawag Ridge up off of South Fork Sherman Creek.
For the most part there were very few TRUE FACTS mentioned. The one FACT that was completely correct was the camera was removed. Everything else mentioned was assumption with NO proven evidence against any of the individuals. I can tell you FIRST hand who the individuals are, who actually took the camera (NONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS ON THE PICS TOOK THE CAM DOWN, NOR DID WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL A COUPLE DAYS AGO. I AM GLAD TO KNOW THAT WE ARE COMPLETELY GUILTY SINCE OUR PICS ARE ON THE OTHER CAM THOUGH), and that no intended harm was meant to come from this act of HUMAN KINDNESS.
A few things I have taken from this thread: I have learned from reading this that many people out there would like folks to let their property be ruined instead of saved, point taken. It was funny to watch this thread switch to an Eastside/Westside discussion and also a govt bashing discussion as well.
Thanks for taking MOST of the pics down and would appreciate the last few taken down as well. Also appreciate the pics of the cat since I will be spending time up there prepping for the future burn. If I see one of your cams I will make sure to leave it and even give you a smile and wave so we stay on good terms.
Food for thought to everyone – If I place a $100 bill nailed to a tree out on public lands would any of you take it down if you saw it? I would hope not since it is not your property and you should leave it alone as stated many times in this thread about the game cam.
Appreciate the time to hopefully let folks know that all individuals in the pics had no idea about the cam, thank those of you that have stuck up for the individuals in question, and also to wish all of you good luck in getting whatever it is you are hunting!
From the limited info I've read here, I'm not buying what you are selling. You are trying to tell me that this guy (you) took the cam down out of human kindness?
How were you going to return the camera to the owner? Or was it acceptable to steal the camera since it was going to get burned up in a few weeks?
Must have been embarrassing to explain to your coworkers that they ended up looking like thieves on an internet forum because you chose to steal someone's camera. I hope they ride you about this for the rest of your time at this job.
Thieves and criminals are always sorry...once they've been caught.
Post by: hunterrcc on May 28, 2013, 02:59:22 PM
For all that have made comments about the following thread:
I would like to first mention that I am one of the accused individuals who have been bashed in this thread about the Game Cam being removed from Scalawag Ridge up off of South Fork Sherman Creek.
For the most part there were very few TRUE FACTS mentioned. The one FACT that was completely correct was the camera was removed. Everything else mentioned was assumption with NO proven evidence against any of the individuals. I can tell you FIRST hand who the individuals are, who actually took the camera (NONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS ON THE PICS TOOK THE CAM DOWN, NOR DID WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL A COUPLE DAYS AGO. I AM GLAD TO KNOW THAT WE ARE COMPLETELY GUILTY SINCE OUR PICS ARE ON THE OTHER CAM THOUGH), and that no intended harm was meant to come from this act of HUMAN KINDNESS.
A few things I have taken from this thread: I have learned from reading this that many people out there would like folks to let their property be ruined instead of saved, point taken. It was funny to watch this thread switch to an Eastside/Westside discussion and also a govt bashing discussion as well.
Thanks for taking MOST of the pics down and would appreciate the last few taken down as well. Also appreciate the pics of the cat since I will be spending time up there prepping for the future burn. If I see one of your cams I will make sure to leave it and even give you a smile and wave so we stay on good terms.
Food for thought to everyone – If I place a $100 bill nailed to a tree out on public lands would any of you take it down if you saw it? I would hope not since it is not your property and you should leave it alone as stated many times in this thread about the game cam.
Appreciate the time to hopefully let folks know that all individuals in the pics had no idea about the cam, thank those of you that have stuck up for the individuals in question, and also to wish all of you good luck in getting whatever it is you are hunting!
From the limited info I've read here, I'm not buying what you are selling. You are trying to tell me that this guy (you) took the cam down out of human kindness?
How were you going to return the camera to the owner? Or was it acceptable to steal the camera since it was going to get burned up in a few weeks?
Must have been embarrassing to explain to your coworkers that they ended up looking like thieves on an internet forum because you chose to steal someone's camera. I hope they ride you about this for the rest of your time at this job.
Thieves and criminals are always sorry...once they've been caught.
Very much agree that I highly doubt that you were going to take the camera down to save it from burning up. Leave signs around on main road that burns going on in the area from X date to X date or post it on your website so the public can be aware of it and leave it up to us to know where we can put a camera and where we can not.
As for the $100 bill to a tree comment. What about $40k tacked to the tree it is no different then leaving your truck parked beside the public property tree then Right?
Post by: Curly on May 28, 2013, 03:16:34 PM
Post by: Curly on May 28, 2013, 03:26:05 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 28, 2013, 03:54:31 PM
Post by: shredneck666 on May 28, 2013, 07:08:20 PM
The funny thing from my perspective is the owner of the camera had placed his camera on Forest Service land. He must have thought is was State DNR land. As responsible hunters, aren't we suppose to know whose land we are hunting on? Perhaps his "ordeal" of getting the camera back is on him and not the administrators of the land? Leaving a business card up on a tree in the forest will always work out and of course will never wash away in the rain we've been getting. It wont blow away in the wind, no, that could never happen, so sure business cards would be a great idea.
If people, and I am one of these people, leave a trail cam in the woods, it is perfectly reasonable to leave my name and my number in my trail cam, in case for whatever reason someone decides they want to pull my camera down. I left a camera in a unit that was to be logged. I called the DNR after noticing the unit boundaries and they let me know a rough time frame for when it was to be cut. I retrieved the camera around that timeframe.
With prescribed burning within the forest service, we get 'windows' when burning conditions are right for burning. We dont know that these windows are there until they they are almost upon us. a notice of burning is not the easiest thing to just throw out there. The F.S. has hundreds of these units that come into 'prescription at different times.
Point being that things are not always as simple as we all wish they were and we all could use some help in rushing to judgement.
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on May 28, 2013, 07:13:42 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 28, 2013, 07:16:18 PM
Post by: shredneck666 on May 28, 2013, 07:30:13 PM
The government gets a bad rap. I will be the first to admit that it probably should, for many things. But not all. The actual people who work at all of your local Forest Service offices and in the woods are the same everyone else, we all have flaws and imperfections.
The Forest Service employees where you live are not the bad guys, they are out there trying to make the forest they manage and better place. They, not all of them, but most of them, love the forests they work in and are a part of.
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 28, 2013, 07:41:39 PM
Post by: christopheri on May 28, 2013, 07:44:21 PM
Post by: shredneck666 on May 28, 2013, 07:44:38 PM
Also, just like i said, not everyone is honest and ya I imagine that some of these items may get taken, by government employees, but no more so that non government employees so is there really any difference?
Post by: christopheri on May 28, 2013, 07:46:55 PM
So there is no policy that its to be removed and you guys consider it abandoned therefore giving those without morals the right to take it. That sounds pretty much like what everyone thought.FS land, if property is left over 14 days then it is considered abandond and will be removed. I dont agree with it becuase I have always be taught to not touch what isnt mine without permission. However in this case it seems like they were just doing the guy a favor. They probably wont help anyone out after all this thieving talk... :bash:
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on May 28, 2013, 07:56:34 PM
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck well you know? Then to find out a forest service employee took it down knowing that it wasn't his and there would be no way for the owner of the cam to recover it...how is that not theft?
So if I go to a Forest service campground I can just take anyone's stuff I want if they don't have their contact info? Would that be theft Damn right it would be...
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Post by: TheHunt on May 28, 2013, 07:57:00 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 28, 2013, 08:07:33 PM
Boy you guys have a lot of hate here? I dont get it. I also said to not quote me. call you local office on whichever land management agency you wish to put a camera on and ask them, ie dont hate before you educate yourself. if you dont like the policy they give you then you can spew your frustrations, but if you are uninformed then you have now right.I'm not hating and have no idea where you get that. Just stating that it appears that what everyone thought had happened very well could have been the case. That's not hating that's stating the facts you may not like it but it's still the fact's.
Also, just like i said, not everyone is honest and ya I imagine that some of these items may get taken, by government employees, but no more so that non government employees so is there really any difference?
Post by: shredneck666 on May 28, 2013, 08:11:37 PM
I understand the frustration of having my stuff stolen. I dont understand all the hate towards innocent people. It reminds me of burning 'withces' at the stake, or lynch mobs killing people for no factual reason.
We have all had cams stolen. I look at my cams as an investment and I secure them to the tree as best as possible so they can not be removed easily. I try to protect my investment. I look at it like this, If I were to ride my bike into town and go into the movie theater to watch a movie, do i feel comfortable to just leave my bike on public property, i.e. the side walk and trust that some A'hole isn't going to ride it away? No that would be too much faith in humanity, would it not?
I treat my trail cams the same way, if the wrong person comes across it, it will be gone. yes i understand that it is in the woods, but we all run into people who go into the woods who are suspect and we would assume that if they came across my camera they would take it. So, I expect to lose cameras from time to time. You cant fight a war without getting people killed.
I chain my treestand to the tree. I protect my investment. It is my responsilbilty I feel to protect my investments. I worked hard for them
Post by: dscubame on May 28, 2013, 08:14:11 PM
In addition I do not see the bashing or under the bus throwing that a few are referring too.
Interesting thread with even more interesting and some far reaching attempts to make a wrong into a right.
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 28, 2013, 08:16:52 PM
Post by: shredneck666 on May 28, 2013, 08:51:46 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 28, 2013, 08:57:02 PM
Post by: shredneck666 on May 28, 2013, 09:00:23 PM
Post by: shredneck666 on May 28, 2013, 09:03:27 PM
Post by: Alan K on May 28, 2013, 09:16:13 PM
Heck timber cutters that work for us come across cameras all the time. Maybe I'll just let them know the next ones they come across they can just dump the tree and let the camera get all smashed up on the way to the landing. I mean, they shouldn't lay a finger on it right, just go on with business as usual as though it's not even there? Damned if you do, damned if you don't I suppose. :dunno:
Post by: dscubame on May 28, 2013, 09:17:24 PM
hey turkey would you leave something on the sidewalk for a month and expect to come back to it? In an ideal world i suppose, but not reality would be my guess.
Oh my.......
Post by: JLS on May 28, 2013, 09:19:01 PM
Maybe I'll just let them know the next ones they come across they can just dump the tree and let the camera get all smashed up on the way to the landing. I mean, they shouldn't lay a finger on it right, just go on with business as usual as though it's not even there?
That is a much better alternative than trying to help someone :rolleyes:
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 28, 2013, 09:24:10 PM
hey turkey would you leave something on the sidewalk for a month and expect to come back to it? In an ideal world i suppose, but not reality would be my guess.Like I said earlier in this thread. I would hope that people would leave it a lone, but expect someone to screw with it. But if I can catch those responsible am I to just let it go. I don't think so and neither would you.
Post by: huntnnw on May 29, 2013, 05:06:29 AM
The intent of this was to post pics of the cougar and yes another cam was gone and I had a pics of the supposedly people responsible for it..some asked for the pics of the said people and I posted them..I also stated why I thought they were the ones responsible , and NOWHERE did I trash them! after a few phone calls I found my camera and I deleted the pics end of story.
I have read it all on here and its asinine what some have said..from I took this too far, I trashed them and etc...how in the hell did I take this to far? I did the logical thing and anything short of it woulda been sitting on my a-ss! and saying "oh well Ill just buy another". Now others on here may have taken it to far or trashed or whatever, but that's them.
anyhow..The man I spoke with was very nice and we had a nice conversation and that was it..end of story and shoulda been end of the thread. As some have stated already I have handle this properly and the right way as I have.
Post by: motg9_6 on May 29, 2013, 09:25:43 AM
wow..for being gone a while and seeing this :chuckle:
The intent of this was to post pics of the cougar and yes another cam was gone and I had a pics of the supposedly people responsible for it..some asked for the pics of the said people and I posted them..I also stated why I thought they were the ones responsible , and NOWHERE did I trash them! after a few phone calls I found my camera and I deleted the pics end of story.
I have read it all on here and its asinine what some have said..from I took this too far, I trashed them and etc...how in the hell did I take this to far? I did the logical thing and anything short of it woulda been sitting on my a-ss! and saying "oh well Ill just buy another". Now others on here may have taken it to far or trashed or whatever, but that's them.
anyhow..The man I spoke with was very nice and we had a nice conversation and that was it..end of story and shoulda been end of the thread. As some have stated already I have handle this properly and the right way as I have.
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
and for all those that keep comparing leaving it on a sidewalf or along a road...WTF stupid comparison. when we strap a cam to a tree we take the risk that it might get burnt, eaten by a bear, logged, stolen, struck by lightening ETC.
THATS A RISK WE ARE WILLING TO TAKE!!!!!!!!!!! :bash:
but when a guy takes the CORRECT actions to get his cam back he gets called a hater. really guys really???
something to take from this is label your items with contact info for the HONEST guy and just leave other peoples crap alone!
END OF STORY
Post by: ICEMAN on May 29, 2013, 09:00:21 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on May 29, 2013, 09:06:13 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on May 29, 2013, 09:15:28 PM
Not blaming the guys in the pics, but they should understand the public's perspective...that items may very well be removed, but I bet that the effort to return these items, or set them aside long enough to possibly be located/found by the owner is small.
Post by: Bob Williams1 on May 30, 2013, 03:30:47 AM
You know it may not be a bad idea to find out just exactly what the forest/timber company's policies are regarding property they come across in the woods. Everything nowadays has a policy with how you handle and deal with things in the process of doing something else.
Encountering personal property while in the field? Identified property/ Non identified. I think it's reasonable to inquire about such things..Certainly as sportsmen who spend a decent amount of time and money in all things outdoors. If nothing currently exists in their policies and procedures..Then its time to make change. Hate to suggest more policy but sometimes its hard to fire people who are not told what the policy and procedures are when dealing with certain situations.
You should be real thankful and appreciative you got it back..I lost a 250.00 camera that i would take back in a new york second no questions asked and be grateful for the effort and the honesty of those who made that happen..They could have very easily describe it to you to the "T" and said nope we haven't seen it..Sorry and you would be SOL.
I think originally people felt for ya and your loss but as the thread ran a muck with hate and accusations that revealed some very interesting "perspectives" and "insights"into those who share some of the same interests.
I choose to see people for the good.... especially when they help me out
Glad you got it back and hopefully future encounters (and there will be more) will have happy endings because of what was learned in here
Post by: dscubame on May 30, 2013, 05:55:58 AM
Post by: JLS on May 30, 2013, 08:15:45 AM
Twisted perspective that chooses to ignore much of the obvious. My super senses tell me someone is full of bias.
Don't all of our biases influence our perspectives? My super senses tell me that most folks like to be critical and accuse others of twisted perspectives when they don't align with their own.
Post by: quadrafire on May 30, 2013, 08:21:44 AM
Twisted perspective that chooses to ignore much of the obvious. My super senses tell me someone is full of bias.
Don't all of our biases influence our perspectives? My super senses tell me that most folks like to be critical and accuse others of twisted perspectives when they don't align with their own.
JLS... Sounds like you may be a member of HuntWa..... :chuckle:
Post by: boneaddict on May 30, 2013, 08:24:00 AM
That all came from a redneck too. :)
Post by: huntnnw on May 30, 2013, 08:26:17 AM
Post by: boneaddict on May 30, 2013, 08:39:05 AM
Post by: dscubame on May 30, 2013, 09:15:31 AM
Twisted perspective that chooses to ignore much of the obvious. My super senses tell me someone is full of bias.
Don't all of our biases influence our perspectives? My super senses tell me that most folks like to be critical and accuse others of twisted perspectives when they don't align with their own.
As Joe Friday would say in the Dragnet Series "the facts just the facts".