Post by: weasel28 on May 28, 2013, 02:53:26 PM
Post by: DoubleJ on May 28, 2013, 02:57:45 PM
Post by: h20hunter on May 28, 2013, 02:59:09 PM
Post by: weasel28 on May 28, 2013, 02:59:38 PM
Post by: DoubleJ on May 28, 2013, 03:00:44 PM
And if more come I just gave a pile built up?lolPretty much. There's a thread on here about doing just that. Coyote grave yard or something like that
Post by: rtspring on May 28, 2013, 03:08:47 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 28, 2013, 03:10:03 PM
Post by: BiggLuke on May 28, 2013, 03:19:03 PM
I just do like my Dad always taught me, if you kill it, respect the animal by using all or as much of the animal you killed.
Like if I shoot a duck, I damn well eat the duck.
If I shoot a Coyote... well.... I'll atleast do something with it. Not waste it.
You should respect the land, and respect other peoples beliefs. Who knows, some stupid tree hugger may find your coyote you left behind and it may end up on the news... next thing you know they outlaw foothold traps. Oh yeah, wait... that already happened. lol. :chuckle:
But you know where I'm going with this. It's up to us to protect our heritage. Don't let dumb A***oles ruin it for the rest of us.
Just saying.... :tup:
Post by: Smossy on May 28, 2013, 03:19:21 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 28, 2013, 03:22:41 PM
BiggLuke-
You better not shoot any coyotes. That or we're gonna need some video of you eating the coyote stew or whatever delicacy you choose to make with it.
Post by: h20hunter on May 28, 2013, 03:23:58 PM
:puke:
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 28, 2013, 03:24:21 PM
Chili.
BiggLuke-
You better not shoot any coyotes. That or we're gonna need some video of you eating the coyote stew or whatever delicacy you choose to make with it.
:yeah: x2
Post by: BiggLuke on May 28, 2013, 03:28:36 PM
Chili.
BiggLuke-
You better not shoot any coyotes. That or we're gonna need some video of you eating the coyote stew or whatever delicacy you choose to make with it.
:chuckle: lol...
All I'm saying is... I don't waste. With a Coyote, I'd skin it, make a bitching skull mount, AND THEN utilize they rest as compost fertilizer, or bird food. lol... or something.
I'm just saying make an effort. Don't be a D-bag and make us all look bad by just killing stuff for the sake of killing.
Post by: elk247 on May 28, 2013, 03:29:40 PM
Screw it, Ill eat a coyote, like pianoman said.. Good brine, good smoke sesh. Should make for something good enough to maybe enjoy? :dunno:Thats nasty! I wouldn't eat a yote, dog or wolf. Same damn thing.
Post by: BiggLuke on May 28, 2013, 03:29:45 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 28, 2013, 03:31:52 PM
Bigfoot bait.......
didn't think about that. Is that what you've been doing in Peaches?
Post by: BiggLuke on May 28, 2013, 03:33:10 PM
Screw it, Ill eat a coyote, like pianoman said.. Good brine, good smoke sesh. Should make for something good enough to maybe enjoy? :dunno:Thats nasty! I wouldn't eat a yote, dog or wolf. Same damn thing.
Dog Meat is considered quite a delicasy in many different cultures. Hell, some cultures think bacon is gross. We think dog is gross, because why...??? :dunno:
Post by: jackelope on May 28, 2013, 03:33:21 PM
@ Jackalope.... ;) Now I wanna make a video of pit roasting a full coyote. :tup: mmm....
Pretty sure, on here somewhere, is a video or photos of someone feeding their family Coyote stew.
I just took a quick look to find it and struck out.
Post by: h20hunter on May 28, 2013, 03:34:31 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 28, 2013, 03:35:04 PM
Sorry but I've never felt the need to "use" a coyote for anything.
Post by: BiggLuke on May 28, 2013, 03:35:23 PM
Post by: Smossy on May 28, 2013, 03:36:31 PM
Ill try almost anything once.Screw it, Ill eat a coyote, like pianoman said.. Good brine, good smoke sesh. Should make for something good enough to maybe enjoy? :dunno:Thats nasty! I wouldn't eat a yote, dog or wolf. Same damn thing.
Post by: Smossy on May 28, 2013, 03:38:59 PM
Post by: BiggLuke on May 28, 2013, 03:42:01 PM
Post by: elk247 on May 28, 2013, 03:44:12 PM
Because it licks its balls, eats its crap and other crap. Has worms, parvo and other deseases. Im not a food snob by any means but dog is a little out of my boundrys. More for you and andrew zimmerman i guess. I'll stick with bacon. Im not tring to talk you out of it, go ahead, you probably won't even get that sick. :chuckle:Screw it, Ill eat a coyote, like pianoman said.. Good brine, good smoke sesh. Should make for something good enough to maybe enjoy? :dunno:Thats nasty! I wouldn't eat a yote, dog or wolf. Same damn thing.
Dog Meat is considered quite a delicasy in many different cultures. Hell, some cultures think bacon is gross. We think dog is gross, because why...??? :dunno:
Post by: h20hunter on May 28, 2013, 03:44:57 PM
Post by: Smossy on May 28, 2013, 03:45:38 PM
Challenge accepted.
Post by: Becky on May 28, 2013, 03:47:15 PM
Because it licks its balls, eats its crap and other crap. Has worms, parvo and other deseases. Im not a food snob by any means but dog is a little out of my boundrys. More for you and andrew zimmerman i guess. I'll stick with bacon. Im not tring to talk you out of it, go ahead, you probably won't even get that sick. :chuckle:Screw it, Ill eat a coyote, like pianoman said.. Good brine, good smoke sesh. Should make for something good enough to maybe enjoy? :dunno:Thats nasty! I wouldn't eat a yote, dog or wolf. Same damn thing.
Dog Meat is considered quite a delicasy in many different cultures. Hell, some cultures think bacon is gross. We think dog is gross, because why...??? :dunno:
:yeah:
_following this thread_ I'm actually interested in what people do with them too, BESIDES eating them. I won't go there. Considering I'll most likely be doing rifle and Smossy is archery, there's really no time we can get out an actually HUNT together except for coyotes. Plus they killed my cat :cryriver: ... lol.
I thought about cleaning/dressing up the skulls, like painting them type of dressing up, then selling. I'll see where that gets me.
Post by: Smossy on May 28, 2013, 03:47:41 PM
I guarantee you, That I wont get sick. If you seen how I grew up you would understand why my immune system is alittle out of the ordinary. I dont go "oh whaa everything out of the ocean eats its own poop and blah blah". Seafood is actually my favorite, I could care less what it eats. As long as It tastes good.Because it licks its balls, eats its crap and other crap. Has worms, parvo and other deseases. Im not a food snob by any means but dog is a little out of my boundrys. More for you and andrew zimmerman i guess. I'll stick with bacon. Im not tring to talk you out of it, go ahead, you probably won't even get that sick. :chuckle:Screw it, Ill eat a coyote, like pianoman said.. Good brine, good smoke sesh. Should make for something good enough to maybe enjoy? :dunno:Thats nasty! I wouldn't eat a yote, dog or wolf. Same damn thing.
Dog Meat is considered quite a delicasy in many different cultures. Hell, some cultures think bacon is gross. We think dog is gross, because why...??? :dunno:
Post by: h20hunter on May 28, 2013, 03:48:04 PM
Post by: Smossy on May 28, 2013, 03:48:29 PM
Ill EAT them like a savage. Just for Koda!Because it licks its balls, eats its crap and other crap. Has worms, parvo and other deseases. Im not a food snob by any means but dog is a little out of my boundrys. More for you and andrew zimmerman i guess. I'll stick with bacon. Im not tring to talk you out of it, go ahead, you probably won't even get that sick. :chuckle:Screw it, Ill eat a coyote, like pianoman said.. Good brine, good smoke sesh. Should make for something good enough to maybe enjoy? :dunno:Thats nasty! I wouldn't eat a yote, dog or wolf. Same damn thing.
Dog Meat is considered quite a delicasy in many different cultures. Hell, some cultures think bacon is gross. We think dog is gross, because why...??? :dunno:
:yeah:
_following this thread_ I'm actually interested in what people do with them too, BESIDES eating them. I won't go there. Considering I'll most likely be doing rifle and Smossy is archery, there's really no time we can get out an actually HUNT together except for coyotes. Plus they killed my cat :cryriver: ... lol.
I thought about cleaning/dressing up the skulls, like painting them type of dressing up, then selling. I'll see where that gets me.
Post by: Smossy on May 28, 2013, 03:50:48 PM
Smossy....I'll buy you the marinade of your choice....say $10 limit.....if you eat a backstrap off a coyote that you or anyone else shoots.Id want it to be killed in-front of me, I want it as fresh as possible, I will 100% atleast attempt to eat it. Im not scared to eat an animal. People used to eat rats back in the day.. Cooked over a fire, alittle crispy, good to go.
Im not eating a heart right out of a salmon though, Thats crossing the line to me. Ill try almost anything as long as its cooked.
Post by: bobcat on May 28, 2013, 03:51:35 PM
Post by: Smossy on May 28, 2013, 03:52:31 PM
Smossy's girl, you gonna kiss him after he gets done eating that dog? :o:-* :-*
Post by: Smossy on May 28, 2013, 03:55:32 PM
Q: can you eat coyote. i know their mainly hunted for their pelts.
A: http://www.fieldandstream.com/answers/hunting/deer-hunting/finding-deer-hunt/can-you-eat-coyote-i-know-their-mainly-hunted-their-p (http://www.fieldandstream.com/answers/hunting/deer-hunting/finding-deer-hunt/can-you-eat-coyote-i-know-their-mainly-hunted-their-p)
Post by: elk247 on May 28, 2013, 03:57:32 PM
People also used to die from plague by the millions. Not as cool as it sounds i'm sure. Would you eat a kitty cat?Smossy....I'll buy you the marinade of your choice....say $10 limit.....if you eat a backstrap off a coyote that you or anyone else shoots.Id want it to be killed in-front of me, I want it as fresh as possible, I will 100% atleast attempt to eat it. Im not scared to eat an animal. People used to eat rats back in the day.. Cooked over a fire, alittle crispy, good to go.
Im not eating a heart right out of a salmon though, Thats crossing the line to me. Ill try almost anything as long as its cooked.
Post by: h20hunter on May 28, 2013, 04:00:46 PM
Post by: Becky on May 28, 2013, 04:13:44 PM
Smossy's girl, you gonna kiss him after he gets done eating that dog? :o
LOL... ummm...
Yea. I have no choice, he'll force the kiss if I don't haha.
Post by: Smossy on May 28, 2013, 04:18:02 PM
Nope. I love cats and I consider them pets. Same as a dog and on top of that its against the law, Regardless species, a coyote is just a coyote to me. Its meat. Ill try one no doubt, That doesnt mean Im going to enjoy it and do it on a reguler basis, But yes Ill try one.. I see that crap everyday. "I wont eat this, I wont eat that - Well have you tried it? - No its gross" Ok than.....People also used to die from plague by the millions. Not as cool as it sounds i'm sure. Would you eat a kitty cat?Smossy....I'll buy you the marinade of your choice....say $10 limit.....if you eat a backstrap off a coyote that you or anyone else shoots.Id want it to be killed in-front of me, I want it as fresh as possible, I will 100% atleast attempt to eat it. Im not scared to eat an animal. People used to eat rats back in the day.. Cooked over a fire, alittle crispy, good to go.
Im not eating a heart right out of a salmon though, Thats crossing the line to me. Ill try almost anything as long as its cooked.
and In all reality it kind of erks me. Dont nock it untill you try it.
People also used to die from plague by the millions. Not as cool as it sounds i'm sure. Would you eat a kitty cat?Smossy....I'll buy you the marinade of your choice....say $10 limit.....if you eat a backstrap off a coyote that you or anyone else shoots.Id want it to be killed in-front of me, I want it as fresh as possible, I will 100% atleast attempt to eat it. Im not scared to eat an animal. People used to eat rats back in the day.. Cooked over a fire, alittle crispy, good to go.
Im not eating a heart right out of a salmon though, Thats crossing the line to me. Ill try almost anything as long as its cooked.
And to this, yes people used to die from plague, coyotes would eat them and in turn die, or carry on that disease to be eatin by another person and the chain goes on. That's not something we deal with this days really.
So it all boils down to Meat is Meat, In Alaska lots of people eat coyote, Or any MEAT they can get they're hands on, They do-not have the opportunity to be picky a majority of the time, specially in harsh seasons.
Post by: Smossy on May 28, 2013, 04:18:21 PM
She knows me well.Smossy's girl, you gonna kiss him after he gets done eating that dog? :o
LOL... ummm...
Yea. I have no choice, he'll force the kiss if I don't haha.
Post by: weasel28 on May 28, 2013, 04:19:02 PM
Post by: Smossy on May 28, 2013, 04:23:23 PM
Ok h20hunter I shall try it a few ways.cured and seasoned like jerky.cured and marinade and grilled and part of ur post.cured and soak in tequila then seasoned and grilled :yike:From what Im reading on other forums/reports of people eating coyote, It sounds like jerky would be the best bet if you want to actually maybe get some enjoyment out of it. Im seeing comparisons next to eating burnt tires. But hey like I said Ill try it atleast once.
Post by: hrd2fnd on May 28, 2013, 04:31:56 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on May 28, 2013, 05:20:17 PM
Post by: yorketransport on May 28, 2013, 05:37:26 PM
Next time I shoot one I'll take pictures of the whole process. Meat is meat in my eyes. I've at least tried eating one of everything I've killed.
Andrew
Post by: Gringo31 on May 28, 2013, 05:48:20 PM
It makes the ravens and eagles happy. :tup:
Post by: Max the dog on May 28, 2013, 06:37:00 PM
Post by: Kola16 on May 28, 2013, 07:09:06 PM
Don't be a D-bag and make us all look bad by just killing stuff for the sake of killing.Wow, way to call hunters "D-bags" :tup:
I am bringing something for all to eat at the Hunt-Wa crab outing, but I have not decided what.................. :devil:
Post by: 724wd on May 28, 2013, 07:51:31 PM
Post by: BiggLuke on May 29, 2013, 08:49:41 AM
Don't be a D-bag and make us all look bad by just killing stuff for the sake of killing.Wow, way to call hunters "D-bags" :tup:
I am bringing something for all to eat at the Hunt-Wa crab outing, but I have not decided what.................. :devil:
You're wrong Koala.... I'm not calling Hunters D-bags, I'm calling jerks who dont hunt but just like kill stuff D-bags.
There's a difference. Hunting is the art of self preservation, or providing meat for your family. True, these days it has devolved a bit. But I'm just hoping that others realize it has not completely devolved to just a sport of killing things.
Those guys... are d-bags and should not get hunt. Go shoot as many paper targets as you want.
I abhore people that waste needlessly. :dunno: If you think I'm wrong, and you STILL think it's ok to just waste, why don't you all start giving me your Addresses... I'll start making a list for WDFW. :)
Post by: BiggLuke on May 29, 2013, 08:51:49 AM
I wouldn't mind another 10 points in the system.
Post by: h20hunter on May 29, 2013, 08:54:25 AM
Post by: Smossy on May 29, 2013, 08:56:11 AM
Hold up....you are saying that if you and I happen to bump into each other....I'm hunting completely legally with regards to all requirements.....out pops a yote....I drop him....snap a pic or two...and keep on walking. I don't take the hide, head, tail, nothing....I just walk away.......you are gonna turn me in for waste? Is that what you are saying. You want your 10 points for that? Please, don't beat around the bush....answer directly and clearly. Yes or no.If I popped a coyote and it wasnt totally gross looking. Id atleast snatch it up for the pelt. I like dead things on my walls.
Post by: Becky on May 29, 2013, 08:56:27 AM
Don't be a D-bag and make us all look bad by just killing stuff for the sake of killing.Wow, way to call hunters "D-bags" :tup:
I am bringing something for all to eat at the Hunt-Wa crab outing, but I have not decided what.................. :devil:
You're wrong Koala.... I'm not calling Hunters D-bags, I'm calling jerks who dont hunt but just like kill stuff D-bags.
There's a difference. Hunting is the art of self preservation, or providing meat for your family. True, these days it has devolved a bit. But I'm just hoping that others realize it has not completely devolved to just a sport of killing things.
Those guys... are d-bags and should not get hunt. Go shoot as many paper targets as you want.
I abhore people that waste needlessly. :dunno: If you think I'm wrong, and you STILL think it's ok to just waste, why don't you all start giving me your Addresses... I'll start making a list for WDFW. :)
Hunting is to help future species succeed. It kills off excess that normally wouldn't survive the winter or harsh environment because there's an overflow in that particular habitat. It helps to prevent starvation among other things.
It's my assumption/understanding that there is a complete over abundance of coyote that is off-balancing all the efforts of preserving big game animals, killing off more than their share, and there is nothing slowing them down. Isn't that why there is a year long/no bag limit on coyotes?
I understand what direction you're going in though with your explanation, this is only my understanding on coyotes :dunno: ... I agree maybe people shouldn't put it on blast about making a coyote graveyard, but I don't think everyone should all of a sudden stop hunting coyotes because no one is going to eat them. :twocents:
Post by: CP on May 29, 2013, 09:00:03 AM
Hold up....you are saying that if you and I happen to bump into each other....I'm hunting completely legally with regards to all requirements.....out pops a yote....I drop him....snap a pic or two...and keep on walking. I don't take the hide, head, tail, nothing....I just walk away.......you are gonna turn me in for waste? Is that what you are saying. You want your 10 points for that? Please, don't beat around the bush....answer directly and clearly. Yes or no.If I popped a coyote and it wasnt totally gross looking. Id atleast snatch it up for the pelt. I like dead things on my walls.
He would look good up there:
Post by: Raul Duke on May 29, 2013, 09:05:29 AM
Hold up....you are saying that if you and I happen to bump into each other....I'm hunting completely legally with regards to all requirements.....out pops a yote....I drop him....snap a pic or two...and keep on walking. I don't take the hide, head, tail, nothing....I just walk away.......you are gonna turn me in for waste? Is that what you are saying. You want your 10 points for that? Please, don't beat around the bush....answer directly and clearly. Yes or no.
I usually give the carcase to a friend that skins them and sells the hides. However I'm curious to your answer on this question ^^^. There are a few yotes that I've let lay where to stood. Guess I'm not a real hunter?
Post by: Gringo31 on May 29, 2013, 09:06:57 AM
What say you Luke on prairie dogs? I thinks you've been on the west side too long :twocents:
Post by: Elkrunner on May 29, 2013, 09:07:54 AM
Post by: h20hunter on May 29, 2013, 09:08:18 AM
LOL.... :chuckle:
I wouldn't mind another 10 points in the system.
Tick tock..still waiting.
Post by: BiggLuke on May 29, 2013, 09:09:07 AM
Hold up....you are saying that if you and I happen to bump into each other....I'm hunting completely legally with regards to all requirements.....out pops a yote....I drop him....snap a pic or two...and keep on walking. I don't take the hide, head, tail, nothing....I just walk away.......you are gonna turn me in for waste? Is that what you are saying. You want your 10 points for that? Please, don't beat around the bush....answer directly and clearly. Yes or no.
Yes.
Well... what I'm saying is that I might try to convince you to do the right thing if I bumped into you. ;) Even go so far as making you feal guilty, if you dumped the sucker after I left, well, who knows then. That'd be different.
But yeah. If you walked away like a common criminal, I'd have a ton of pictures to help support the evidence that I would gladly hand over to an Officer. lol.
Post by: washingtonmuley on May 29, 2013, 09:10:19 AM
Who's the D-bag?Don't be a D-bag and make us all look bad by just killing stuff for the sake of killing.Wow, way to call hunters "D-bags" :tup:
I am bringing something for all to eat at the Hunt-Wa crab outing, but I have not decided what.................. :devil:
You're wrong Koala.... I'm not calling Hunters D-bags, I'm calling jerks who dont hunt but just like kill stuff D-bags.
There's a difference. Hunting is the art of self preservation, or providing meat for your family. True, these days it has devolved a bit. But I'm just hoping that others realize it has not completely devolved to just a sport of killing things.
Those guys... are d-bags and should not get hunt. Go shoot as many paper targets as you want.
I abhore people that waste needlessly. :dunno: If you think I'm wrong, and you STILL think it's ok to just waste, why don't you all start giving me your Addresses... I'll start making a list for WDFW. :)
Post by: Gringo31 on May 29, 2013, 09:10:34 AM
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I'd have a ton of pictures to help support the evidence that I would gladly hand over to an Officer. lol.
I don't understand the LOL on the end....
Post by: BiggLuke on May 29, 2013, 09:12:45 AM
Don't be a D-bag and make us all look bad by just killing stuff for the sake of killing.Wow, way to call hunters "D-bags" :tup:
I am bringing something for all to eat at the Hunt-Wa crab outing, but I have not decided what.................. :devil:
You're wrong Koala.... I'm not calling Hunters D-bags, I'm calling jerks who dont hunt but just like kill stuff D-bags.
There's a difference. Hunting is the art of self preservation, or providing meat for your family. True, these days it has devolved a bit. But I'm just hoping that others realize it has not completely devolved to just a sport of killing things.
Those guys... are d-bags and should not get hunt. Go shoot as many paper targets as you want.
I abhore people that waste needlessly. :dunno: If you think I'm wrong, and you STILL think it's ok to just waste, why don't you all start giving me your Addresses... I'll start making a list for WDFW. :)
Hunting is to help future species succeed. It kills off excess that normally wouldn't survive the winter or harsh environment because there's an overflow in that particular habitat. It helps to prevent starvation among other things.
It's my assumption/understanding that there is a complete over abundance of coyote that is off-balancing all the efforts of preserving big game animals, killing off more than their share, and there is nothing slowing them down. Isn't that why there is a year long/no bag limit on coyotes?
I understand what direction you're going in though with your explanation, this is only my understanding on coyotes :dunno: ... I agree maybe people shouldn't put it on blast about making a coyote graveyard, but I don't think everyone should all of a sudden stop hunting coyotes because no one is going to eat them. :twocents:
Exactly how I feel as well. My whole point being about "Bragging" about "Piles" of animals on here is bad for all of us.
Post by: Cougar125 on May 29, 2013, 09:12:53 AM
Post by: BiggLuke on May 29, 2013, 09:16:11 AM
I too am waiting for BigLuke to reply. First off, he doesn't now how the point system works and that it is for BIG GAME. Second, he apparently knows nothing about the benefit of predator control. He must not be aware that USDA shoots them from aircraft and lets them lay. He must not realize that gov't trappers don't only work during the prime pelt winter seasons.
What say you Luke on prairie dogs? I thinks you've been on the west side too long :twocents:
lol.... I am very aware of all these things. You guys are just missing my point.
Post by: h20hunter on May 29, 2013, 09:17:55 AM
I'm not missing your point.
Post by: Becky on May 29, 2013, 09:19:17 AM
I too am waiting for BigLuke to reply. First off, he doesn't now how the point system works and that it is for BIG GAME. Second, he apparently knows nothing about the benefit of predator control. He must not be aware that USDA shoots them from aircraft and lets them lay. He must not realize that gov't trappers don't only work during the prime pelt winter seasons.
What say you Luke on prairie dogs? I thinks you've been on the west side too long :twocents:
lol.... I am very aware of all these things. You guys are just missing my point.
I think your "point" will continue to be missed as you keep talking about turning everyone in as poachers for points... You catch more flies with honey, instead of threatening everyone. Coyotes need control, it's obvious the WDFW and game regulators agree.
Post by: Buckmark on May 29, 2013, 09:19:51 AM
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Better put me down for a double D dirt bag award as i have shoot with no intention of eating or making into fertilizer and left to rot, starlings and crows in the act of depredation, hundreds of ground squirrels/sage rats and numerous coyotees. Not to mention pack rats in my outhouse and on the top of my generator shed.
Post by: CP on May 29, 2013, 09:19:59 AM
I too am waiting for BigLuke to reply. First off, he doesn't now how the point system works and that it is for BIG GAME. Second, he apparently knows nothing about the benefit of predator control. He must not be aware that USDA shoots them from aircraft and lets them lay. He must not realize that gov't trappers don't only work during the prime pelt winter seasons.
What say you Luke on prairie dogs? I thinks you've been on the west side too long :twocents:
lol.... I am very aware of all these things. You guys are just missing my point.
I know I’m missing your point. I leave them lie where they drop. I don’t even take a photo. We used to hang them on the fence poles in Texas to show the rancher we were earning our keep in return for him letting us hunt his ranch.
buzzards gotta eat same as worms
Post by: Gringo31 on May 29, 2013, 09:22:25 AM
Post by: PolarBear on May 29, 2013, 09:23:15 AM
leave them where they died and use their rotting carcasses for bait to shoot more coyotes:yeah:
Post by: bobcat on May 29, 2013, 09:24:02 AM
As I said before, in nature, nothing is wasted. Maggots will eat it if nothing else gets to it first.
Post by: Gringo31 on May 29, 2013, 09:25:49 AM
Post by: PolarBear on May 29, 2013, 09:26:48 AM
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Post by: h20hunter on May 29, 2013, 09:27:56 AM
Post by: benhuntin on May 29, 2013, 09:30:04 AM
Turn me in Luke. Go get yourself some points.looks like good shootin. I can't remember the last one I picked up. Hunted with a member on here last year and he had to pick his up to get tanned because it was his first. Hope he reads this because I laughed at him then to.
Post by: BiggLuke on May 29, 2013, 09:30:30 AM
Luke....Please come off your high horse and provide me the link or screen capture from the regulations showing I'm in criminal violation of anything...anything at all by leaving a coyote where if falls. I would very much like to see it since you have now labeled many people as criminals that should be turned in for this supposed game violation.
I'm not missing your point.
I'm not on a high horse. Granted... yes it comes off as me wanting to inprison evrybody. Not what I said or meant.
Don't you guys remember what Ethics are? You probably leave farmers gates open as well huh.
:chuckle:
Come on, I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just want people to remember that every single day, there are those out there that want to take away our rights, and completely outlaw hunting.
I personally want it to continue. I don't want to lose hunting after we lost trapping in 2001.
Remember their tactics back then?? They had comercials running day and night to the poblic about how bad trapping was and had images of 3 legged cats on tv.
I don't want them to have anymore ammunition, and a "Pile" of coyotes would be a perfect comercial for them. :yike:
Post by: Gringo31 on May 29, 2013, 09:32:30 AM
They are a bunch of crazies and so if someone shoots a coyote and doesn't "harvest" part of the animal, you would try to make an example out of them as well?????
Like I said, you've lived on the west side too long.
Post by: PolarBear on May 29, 2013, 09:35:01 AM
Post by: headshot5 on May 29, 2013, 09:36:16 AM
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I'm not on a high horse. Granted... yes it comes off as me wanting to inprison evrybody. Not what I said or meant.
Don't you guys remember what Ethics are? You probably leave farmers gates open as well huh.
No we don't leave farmers gates open, we leave dead coyotes on the farmers land with their permission.
Post by: h20hunter on May 29, 2013, 09:38:04 AM
There are NO regulations stating that anything at all must be used, saved, consumed, or even given a second thought in regards to the licensed and legal killing of a coyote.
The killing of a coyote is completely legal.
It is not us that are giving hunters a bad name. It is you. You that would make up your own set of rules and expect completely legal and law abiding hunters to change.
Post by: BiggLuke on May 29, 2013, 09:38:33 AM
What next??
You got a picture to brag about a pile of Mule Deer?
Or maybe a Pile of Ducks?
I agree that coyotes are better off dead, and aren't tradionally native to this area, but niether are wheat fields.
No need to make hunters look bad.
Post by: h20hunter on May 29, 2013, 09:39:54 AM
Post by: BiggLuke on May 29, 2013, 09:39:58 AM
Of course you aren't trying to pick a fight. You have stated clearly that if someone violated what YOU belive is "right" you wil attempt to turn them in for 10 points using photo evidence of a violation/crime that YOU invented.
There are NO regulations stating that anything at all must be used, saved, consumed, or even given a second thought in regards to the licensed and legal killing of a coyote.
The killing of a coyote is completely legal.
It is not us that are giving hunters a bad name. It is you. You that would make up your own set of rules and expect completely legal and law abiding hunters to change.
Tell that to Judge.
Post by: h20hunter on May 29, 2013, 09:41:44 AM
Post by: Becky on May 29, 2013, 09:42:11 AM
You got a picture to brag about a pile of Mule Deer?
Or maybe a Pile of Ducks?
You can't legally kill a "pile" of mule deer.. but yes, on the bird topic, I've seen plenty of pictures of someone's harvested pile of birds :dunno: and fish too, and anything that's legal to hunt in multiples...
Post by: Gringo31 on May 29, 2013, 09:43:31 AM
Post by: headshot5 on May 29, 2013, 09:43:44 AM
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I would be happy to. Please....show me where the regulations say anything.....anything at all about the wastage of coyote and where I will be penalized for it. Please....call a game warden...ask him or her....email them even and post the reply. You are citing garbage and threatening to turn people in for nothing!
:yeah:
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 29, 2013, 09:44:10 AM
Luke....Please come off your high horse and provide me the link or screen capture from the regulations showing I'm in criminal violation of anything...anything at all by leaving a coyote where if falls. I would very much like to see it since you have now labeled many people as criminals that should be turned in for this supposed game violation.
I'm not missing your point.
I'm not on a high horse. Granted... yes it comes off as me wanting to inprison evrybody. Not what I said or meant.
Don't you guys remember what Ethics are? You probably leave farmers gates open as well huh.
:chuckle:
Come on, I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just want people to remember that every single day, there are those out there that want to take away our rights, and completely outlaw hunting.
I personally want it to continue. I don't want to lose hunting after we lost trapping in 2001.
Remember their tactics back then?? They had comercials running day and night to the poblic about how bad trapping was and had images of 3 legged cats on tv.
I don't want them to have anymore ammunition, and a "Pile" of coyotes would be a perfect comercial for them. :yike:
Luke, there are a great many discussions on this forum regarding ethics and most of the people who post have a high degree of them. If you choose to eat coyotes, good for you. Not eating them and leaving the carcasses to rot is fine with the state because they're vermin and need control but are not necessarily a food game animal. The same will go for wolves, and a great many won't eat cougars, either. I know few who eat porcupines, nutria, beaver, muskrats, or raccoons, either. That doesn't mean they have no ethics.
You're a fairly new poster to the forum. In your zeal to join the group and be part of what's going on, maybe try a little less hard to show everyone how much more ethical you are than anyone else. You don't know any of us or how we hunt, what we do hunting with others, how we care for our game animals, etc. I would maybe go along on the assumption that you're dealing with equals until you know otherwise. Just my :twocents: :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on May 29, 2013, 09:44:41 AM
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At one time I shot 18 coyotes off of the same cow carcass and left every one of them to pile up and add to the bait pile.
Will coyotes eat coyote? I've always wondered about that.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on May 29, 2013, 09:46:19 AM
Of course you aren't trying to pick a fight. You have stated clearly that if someone violated what YOU belive is "right" you wil attempt to turn them in for 10 points using photo evidence of a violation/crime that YOU invented.
There are NO regulations stating that anything at all must be used, saved, consumed, or even given a second thought in regards to the licensed and legal killing of a coyote.
The killing of a coyote is completely legal.
It is not us that are giving hunters a bad name. It is you. You that would make up your own set of rules and expect completely legal and law abiding hunters to change.
Tell that to Judge.
BiggLuke
Go back to bed, wake up tommorrow and see if you still are an unwise person! :stup:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on May 29, 2013, 09:47:19 AM
Yep, very cannibalistic!QuoteAt one time I shot 18 coyotes off of the same cow carcass and left every one of them to pile up and add to the bait pile.
Will coyotes eat coyote? I've always wondered about that.
Post by: Gringo31 on May 29, 2013, 09:48:13 AM
Luke, you don't.
I've copied and pasted a few of your quotes from this thread so that you can read them. I'm hoping it lets you see a little different view of what you are really saying.
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Don't let dumb A***oles ruin it for the rest of us.
All I'm saying is... I don't waste. With a Coyote, I'd skin it, make a bitching skull mount, AND THEN utilize they rest as compost fertilizer, or bird food. lol... or something.
I'm just saying make an effort. Don't be a D-bag and make us all look bad by just killing stuff for the sake of killing.
Dog Meat is considered quite a delicasy in many different cultures
I'm calling jerks who dont hunt but just like kill stuff D-bags.
But I'm just hoping that others realize it has not completely devolved to just a sport of killing things. Those guys... are d-bags and should not get hunt.
If you think I'm wrong, and you STILL think it's ok to just waste, why don't you all start giving me your Addresses... I'll start making a list for WDFW
I wouldn't mind another 10 points in the system
But yeah. If you walked away like a common criminal, I'd have a ton of pictures to help support the evidence that I would gladly hand over to an Officer
You guys are just missing my point
I'm not on a high horse.
Come on, I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just want people to remember that every single day, there are those out there that want to take away our rights, and completely outlaw hunting.
Tell that to Judge.
Post by: DoubleJ on May 29, 2013, 09:48:27 AM
:yike: This thread has turned awesome!
:yeah:
Post by: bobcat on May 29, 2013, 09:50:57 AM
Post by: BiggLuke on May 29, 2013, 09:57:47 AM
Lol....
and yes LEGALLY you can "HUNT" them, with a small game or big game license. They are considered Wildlife, not a game species. And yes the depredation thing is different, I know.
I don't personnaly care if we all use dynomite to kill evry last one of them....
I originally stated that I've seen game wardens here in washington looking for people "Wasting" animals. Period.
And YES, I had 2 different old farm dudes tell me how they got tickets for dead coyotes laying out in thier fields, which was WHY one told me it was ok to hunt his property, but I needed to carry the animals off with me.
And NO. I dont make up rules.
Post by: h20hunter on May 29, 2013, 10:00:16 AM
Post by: Buckmark on May 29, 2013, 10:00:42 AM
Cascade Hunter???Thats what i asked.... :chuckle:
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So basically if we shot a yote and do not eat it or make it into fertalizer we are Dumb a**hole dirt bag jerks that kill for the sake of killing and should not get to hunt like common criminals and send our personal info to BiggLuke so he can turn us in for wastage and get 10 points....
Ok i think i got it....
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BiggLuke you need to get out, get off the internet and spend some time in farm country, spend some time with cattle ranchers.
Post by: headshot5 on May 29, 2013, 10:02:19 AM
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Sure sounds like you do. I am a bit pissy.....I'm not the only one....you clearly stated that you will use photos to turn someone in in an attemp to gain 10 preference points for something that is completely legal. Good luck finding hunting buddies.
:yeah:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 29, 2013, 10:02:34 AM
As for yotes... shoot em and leave em lay! I have had farmers ask me to hang them on the fence so they can see how many I got.
Post by: BiggLuke on May 29, 2013, 10:03:48 AM
Sure sounds like you do. I am a bit pissy.....I'm not the only one....you clearly stated that you will use photos to turn someone in in an attemp to gain 10 preference points for something that is completely legal. Good luck finding hunting buddies.
Nooooo, I said I would have no issue with turning in someone breaking the law.
Post by: benhuntin on May 29, 2013, 10:04:16 AM
Post by: Buckmark on May 29, 2013, 10:04:36 AM
Dear god.... you guys get all pissy when anybody says anything that differs from your beliefs.This is not about our "beliefs" it is about how you basically attacked/accused fellow sportsman of being dirtbags, aholes, unethical gate leaving open persons because of your "belief" that coytotes should be respected differently than what you have seen...
Lol....
and yes LEGALLY you can "HUNT" them, with a small game or big game license. They are considered Wildlife, not a game species. And yes the depredation thing is different, I know.
I don't personnaly care if we all use dynomite to kill evry last one of them....
I originally stated that I've seen game wardens here in washington looking for people "Wasting" animals. Period.
And YES, I had 2 different old farm dudes tell me how they got tickets for dead coyotes laying out in thier fields, which was WHY one told me it was ok to hunt his property, but I needed to carry the animals off with me.
And NO. I dont make up rules.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 29, 2013, 10:07:07 AM
Post by: headshot5 on May 29, 2013, 10:07:16 AM
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Nooooo, I said I would have no issue with turning in someone breaking the law.
Please tell me what law is being broken.
Post by: h20hunter on May 29, 2013, 10:07:53 AM
But yeah. If you walked away like a common criminal, I'd have a ton of pictures to help support the evidence that I would gladly hand over to an officer.
Okay....the above statement is your words. What evidence of a crime will you be handing over.
Post by: Becky on May 29, 2013, 10:08:03 AM
Dear god.... you guys get all pissy when anybody says anything that differs from your beliefs.
Seriously? No, you came on the thread and started calling people all sorts of names, accusing them of being unethical, and continued on about how you'd turn them in for poaching points. It has nothing to do with someone's beliefs, it's about your accusations. Sheesh.
You could have very very easily went about the entire thing completely different and actually made the point you were trying to make. You come into it calling people D-bags right off the bat and you expect them to treat you nicely :o
Post by: Gringo31 on May 29, 2013, 10:08:25 AM
You are talking out both sides of your mouth. You have no stance because you keep flip flopping.
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Sure sounds like you do. I am a bit pissy.....I'm not the only one....you clearly stated that you will use photos to turn someone in in an attemp to gain 10 preference points for something that is completely legal. Good luck finding hunting buddies..
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Noooo,I said I would have no issue with turning in someone breaking the law.
but also...
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If you think I'm wrong, and you STILL think it's ok to just waste, why don't you all start giving me your Addresses... I'll start making a list for WDFW. I wouldn't mind another 10 points in the system
Post by: BiggLuke on May 29, 2013, 10:18:31 AM
Dear god.... you guys get all pissy when anybody says anything that differs from your beliefs.This is not about our "beliefs" it is about how you basically attacked/accused fellow sportsman of being dirtbags, aholes, unethical gate leaving open persons because of your "belief" that coytotes should be respected differently than what you have seen...
Lol....
and yes LEGALLY you can "HUNT" them, with a small game or big game license. They are considered Wildlife, not a game species. And yes the depredation thing is different, I know.
I don't personnaly care if we all use dynomite to kill evry last one of them....
I originally stated that I've seen game wardens here in washington looking for people "Wasting" animals. Period.
And YES, I had 2 different old farm dudes tell me how they got tickets for dead coyotes laying out in thier fields, which was WHY one told me it was ok to hunt his property, but I needed to carry the animals off with me.
And NO. I dont make up rules.
ummm.... yeah. Ok, that's fair. That is about right.
Post by: BiggLuke on May 29, 2013, 10:22:06 AM
I hunt, I kill, I try not to waste anything. I pick up my empties. I respect others peoples property.
And I expect every one else too as well.
I can kill and still be socially concious.
BTW... who is Cascade hunter?
Post by: h20hunter on May 29, 2013, 10:24:04 AM
When I get the chance to pop a yote this fall I will document it, take the pics, describe the scene, and provide the location so WDFW can verify the kill, provide my wild ID, name, address, phone, cell, and mothers maiden name. You go ahead and turn me in.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 29, 2013, 10:27:48 AM
How is that Flip-flopping?Have you looked into what law specifically is being broken by leaving a yote to rot? Maybe all of huntwa just needs to be educated. Please post the rcw that you find that shows the law that would be broken.
I hunt, I kill, I try not to waste anything. I pick up my empties. I respect others peoples property.
And I expect every one else too as well.
I can kill and still be socially concious.
BTW... who is Cascade hunter?
Post by: h20hunter on May 29, 2013, 10:28:30 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on May 29, 2013, 10:29:02 AM
I suppose that is a fair question. You stated that you'd turn in people for breaking the law. Many of us would as well. But, the difference is that you have made up your own law. While it is legal to not salvage a coyote, you disagree with that law. You refuse to post or cite the law that is broken, it's a bigluke law which we need to follow and you would bother WDFW with.
You don't know the laws or rules on points. You don't understand the law on coyote "harvest". You don't seem to understand the difference between preseration and conservation or see any value in predator control.
You have however, shown your true colors beautifully. :tup:
Post by: headshot5 on May 29, 2013, 10:29:35 AM
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How is that Flip-flopping?
I hunt, I kill, I try not to waste anything. I pick up my empties. I respect others peoples property.
And I expect every one else too as well.
I can kill and still be socially concious.
BTW... who is Cascade hunter?
Someone you are pretty close to surpassing. :yike:
Post by: Gringo31 on May 29, 2013, 10:31:38 AM
Does that mean I need to act in a way that society is ok with? First off, impossible. Second off......who is educating who? Get away from the freaks on the west side! Its leaching into your skin. Abort!
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on May 29, 2013, 10:32:34 AM
Post by: Buckmark on May 29, 2013, 10:33:39 AM
BiggLuke and cascade would get along great...partner up and maybe even start there own hunting site...QuoteHow is that Flip-flopping?
I hunt, I kill, I try not to waste anything. I pick up my empties. I respect others peoples property.
And I expect every one else too as well.
I can kill and still be socially concious.
BTW... who is Cascade hunter?
Someone you are pretty close to surpassing. :yike:
Post by: bobcat on May 29, 2013, 10:35:05 AM
Post by: CP on May 29, 2013, 10:43:52 AM
Post by: Kola16 on May 29, 2013, 10:45:54 AM
I thought name calling was reserved for waterfowl board.:yeah: :chuckle:
.....I heard peta had a job opening.....
Post by: Huntboy on May 29, 2013, 10:54:55 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on May 29, 2013, 11:02:26 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 29, 2013, 11:04:19 AM
Post by: Broken Arrow on May 29, 2013, 11:06:26 AM
http://www.dumonttaxidermy.com/taxidermy/pillowsdetail.html (http://www.dumonttaxidermy.com/taxidermy/pillowsdetail.html)
Post by: PolarBear on May 29, 2013, 11:11:35 AM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on May 29, 2013, 11:14:42 AM
So who's teaming up with Luke for Coyote Madness this year? :chuckle:
LMAO
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,126322.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,126322.0.html)
Was this legal, and or justified BiggLuke? :hello:
Post by: elk247 on May 29, 2013, 11:16:59 AM
Post by: 2labs on May 29, 2013, 11:37:43 AM
So you figured if you can't beat them, join them?
They are a bunch of crazies and so if someone shoots a coyote and doesn't "harvest" part of the animal, you would try to make an example out of them as well?????
Like I said, you've lived on the west side too long.
That's it. I've had it I'm moving. No really I am. Looking for some varmint killing buddies around the Prosser area! Is there anything better than the red mist of a rockchuck.
Post by: elk247 on May 29, 2013, 12:05:07 PM
Post by: washingtonmuley on May 29, 2013, 12:24:20 PM
This site makes some pretty cool pillows:That is what my son's first coyote is being made into. John makes an awesome pillow as well as other things.
http://www.dumonttaxidermy.com/taxidermy/pillowsdetail.html (http://www.dumonttaxidermy.com/taxidermy/pillowsdetail.html)
Post by: singleshot12 on May 29, 2013, 12:27:59 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on May 29, 2013, 12:46:25 PM
What do you do with a yote? Eat it if you're hungrey! otherwise leave em alone :twocents:
i'm assuming you are saying leave them alone as in leave them alone in the dirt dead where they fell,.. right?
Post by: singleshot12 on May 29, 2013, 12:54:34 PM
What do you do with a yote? Eat it if you're hungrey! otherwise leave em alone :twocents:
i'm assuming you are saying leave them alone as in leave them alone in the dirt dead where they fell,.. right?
I used to shoot em and leave em but have learned hunting them doesn't really put a dent in the population. Thinning them out just makes the local population more healthier. Best just to let them over populate and die off in cycles from mange and disease :twocents:
Post by: Smossy on May 29, 2013, 01:00:27 PM
Hell, maybe you can get 20 points because this is a different pic from a different year. Here to help bud!Nice photo! :tup: I seen someone getting 50-70$ a pop for those pelts.
Post by: Smossy on May 29, 2013, 01:02:29 PM
Nothin wrong with takin pride in your first kill for any given species. Killing coyotes should be something to be proud of, your doing everyone a favor.Turn me in Luke. Go get yourself some points.looks like good shootin. I can't remember the last one I picked up. Hunted with a member on here last year and he had to pick his up to get tanned because it was his first. Hope he reads this because I laughed at him then to.
Post by: Smossy on May 29, 2013, 01:08:48 PM
Dear god.... you guys get all pissy when anybody says anything that differs from your beliefs.I call bull. I don't believe that for a second.
Lol....
and yes LEGALLY you can "HUNT" them, with a small game or big game license. They are considered Wildlife, not a game species. And yes the depredation thing is different, I know.
I don't personnaly care if we all use dynomite to kill evry last one of them....
I originally stated that I've seen game wardens here in washington looking for people "Wasting" animals. Period.
And YES, I had 2 different old farm dudes tell me how they got tickets for dead coyotes laying out in thier fields, which was WHY one told me it was ok to hunt his property, but I needed to carry the animals off with me.
And NO. I dont make up rules.
Post by: Becky on May 29, 2013, 01:13:11 PM
What do you do with a yote? Eat it if you're hungrey! otherwise leave em alone :twocents:
i'm assuming you are saying leave them alone as in leave them alone in the dirt dead where they fell,.. right?
I used to shoot em and leave em but have learned hunting them doesn't really put a dent in the population. Thinning them out just makes the local population more healthier. Best just to let them over populate and die off in cycles from mange and disease :twocents:
Actually I was researching this earlier when the thread was heated.. It appears they adapt and learn to possibly fear humans and socially change habits and patterns when hunted -
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Coyote population control efforts may affect the social organization and
activity patterns of coyotes. In areas where population control is not
practiced, most coyotes exist in relatively "large" groups, whereas
coyotes in areas where populations are controlled generally exist in
"smaller" groups. Coyotes have been reported as more active during the
day in uncontrolled [26,70] than in population-controlled areas [71]. Roy
and Dorrance [72] reported that coyotes avoided open areas near roads
during daylight hours in areas where they were hunted.
For what it's worth :dunno:
Post by: Smossy on May 29, 2013, 01:16:04 PM
Personally, I use the sinew and skulls to make gruesome jewelry which I use to intimidate my enemies and attract women.:chuckle:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.loyno.edu%2Fnewsandcalendars%2Flaag%2Fimages.php%3Fimage_id%3D3244%26amp%3Bimage%3D3244.jpg&hash=bc4395635c6d5d0600c19daf148660aaee982b35)
Post by: headshot5 on May 29, 2013, 01:16:59 PM
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Actually I was researching this earlier when the thread was heated.. It appears they adapt and learn to possibly fear humans and socially change habits and patterns when hunted -
Absolutely. Look at the wolves in Idaho, brazen as could be til the season opened. Now they fear humans. Just like the run-ins we are having now in Washington, the wolves do not fear humans here yet. Someday they will.
Post by: Gringo31 on May 29, 2013, 01:28:44 PM
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I used to shoot em and leave em but have learned hunting them doesn't really put a dent in the population. Thinning them out just makes the local population more healthier. Best just to let them over populate and die off in cycles from mange and disease
I think that is partially right. I hammer them every year and there are always more....BUT....there are less in the winter when the critical habitat is reduced greatly. I feel very strongly that putting the hammer to them dramatically helps the bird and deer populations as well. You may have the same number of dogs come fall, but it is a young and much more inexperienced group. I no longer see packs of 4-6 dogs working together as a very impressive killing unit. :twocents:
Post by: lucky33 on May 29, 2013, 03:42:09 PM
just don't let a game warden see you "Wasting" a coyote. I've heard many a farmer give tales of how game wardens were issueing tickets for wanton waste or destruction of public resourses (or something like that) just because they saw a dead coyote out in thier field.Well said. We owe that much to the animals we pursue and kill. I think just leaving them lay is immoral, and its also unlawful. :twocents:
I just do like my Dad always taught me, if you kill it, respect the animal by using all or as much of the animal you killed.
Like if I shoot a duck, I damn well eat the duck.
If I shoot a Coyote... well.... I'll atleast do something with it. Not waste it.
You should respect the land, and respect other peoples beliefs. Who knows, some stupid tree hugger may find your coyote you left behind and it may end up on the news... next thing you know they outlaw foothold traps. Oh yeah, wait... that already happened. lol. :chuckle:
But you know where I'm going with this. It's up to us to protect our heritage. Don't let dumb A***oles ruin it for the rest of us.
Just saying.... :tup:
Post by: groundhog on May 29, 2013, 03:43:59 PM
Old Chinese Proverb He who has diarrhea of the mouth usually has chit for brains! :dunno:
Post by: h20hunter on May 29, 2013, 03:44:09 PM
Post by: Smossy on May 29, 2013, 03:55:21 PM
Really Lucky....unlawful to leave a coyote lay? I will not question your stance on immoral since that is your opinion. Please provide the rcw that states leaving a coyote to the buzzards is in any way a violation.Its not, For one its not a food animal, for two Its not a big game animal. Its not worth 250$ either. 80$ tops.
Post by: h20hunter on May 29, 2013, 03:57:52 PM
Post by: Buckmark on May 29, 2013, 03:59:27 PM
What exactly do we owe to a coyote? If you keep the skull and hide for decoration are you then a more moral person then say a hunter who kills coyotees on ranchland saving some farm animals, or in the deep woods saving a fawn or two? If i pop a coyote in my meadow that is most likely gonna do harm to my neighbors farm animals or dog or chickens or going to eat some of the baby ducks or geese on my pond and i let it lay am i immoral? But if you do it then loop off its head, boil the skull for a mantel decoration and tan the hide for a wall hanging to show your friends, yep i killed this here old coyote and here is the proof, you are of much higher moral standards than me?just don't let a game warden see you "Wasting" a coyote. I've heard many a farmer give tales of how game wardens were issueing tickets for wanton waste or destruction of public resourses (or something like that) just because they saw a dead coyote out in thier field.Well said. We owe that much to the animals we pursue and kill. I think just leaving them lay is immoral, and its also unlawful. :twocents:
I just do like my Dad always taught me, if you kill it, respect the animal by using all or as much of the animal you killed.
Like if I shoot a duck, I damn well eat the duck.
If I shoot a Coyote... well.... I'll atleast do something with it. Not waste it.
You should respect the land, and respect other peoples beliefs. Who knows, some stupid tree hugger may find your coyote you left behind and it may end up on the news... next thing you know they outlaw foothold traps. Oh yeah, wait... that already happened. lol. :chuckle:
But you know where I'm going with this. It's up to us to protect our heritage. Don't let dumb A***oles ruin it for the rest of us.
Just saying.... :tup:
Post by: groundhog on May 29, 2013, 04:08:25 PM
Post by: h20hunter on May 29, 2013, 04:16:00 PM
Post by: Jingles on May 29, 2013, 04:25:44 PM
Post by: xd2005 on May 29, 2013, 04:34:55 PM
Really Lucky....unlawful to leave a coyote lay? I will not question your stance on immoral since that is your opinion. Please provide the rcw that states leaving a coyote to the buzzards is in any way a violation.Its not, For one its not a food animal, for two Its not a big game animal. Its not worth 250$ either. 80$ tops.
What's the value for a pile of them then?
Post by: mossback91 on May 29, 2013, 04:37:04 PM
Packrats?!?!
Voles???
Moles???
Gophers???
Flies???
spiders????
Ants???
Wouldnt want any of those vermin to go to waste!!!
Post by: Smossy on May 29, 2013, 04:38:22 PM
Well not sure what a pile would be worth. But being 40$ minimum per pelt. +++Really Lucky....unlawful to leave a coyote lay? I will not question your stance on immoral since that is your opinion. Please provide the rcw that states leaving a coyote to the buzzards is in any way a violation.Its not, For one its not a food animal, for two Its not a big game animal. Its not worth 250$ either. 80$ tops.
What's the value for a pile of them then?
Post by: Smossy on May 29, 2013, 04:39:06 PM
Post by: mossback91 on May 29, 2013, 04:40:19 PM
Post by: Smossy on May 29, 2013, 04:42:45 PM
Smossy who is giving you $40 per a coyote??!?!?!No one, I just passed hunters ed last weekend.
Check the fur auctions for wa state, they're going for 60$ a piece average for good pelts.
Post by: xd2005 on May 29, 2013, 04:44:06 PM
Post by: Smossy on May 29, 2013, 04:44:15 PM
What they sold for:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=121278.0;attach=258427;image)
Post by: Smossy on May 29, 2013, 04:45:18 PM
I'll admit I don't know the market well, but $40 seems exceptionally high for a rifle-shot coyote. Trapped...maybe, but doubt anyone would get that with a shot one. :twocents:You could very well be right, small caliber kills thought - Don't think it would make a difference unless buyers are very specific.
Post by: Halo on May 29, 2013, 04:57:09 PM
luke and Lucky, Have you ever seen a coyote pull the intestines out of a live calf (domestic) or seen a coyote eat the ass out of a live elk? Often times they eat their prey while it is alive because they cannot kill it quickly. In over the thirty years of ranching I have seen many calves killed by yotes. We have even had them "help deliver calves" by pulling them out of our cows while the cow was giving berth. It is a slow death... We shoot em and leave em lay. Eagles gotta eat too.I have raised cattle all my life and have seen these exact situations and I shoot every coyote I see around here. Most I hang on the nearest fence as a sign to the rest of them. I was the one however that shot and donated the coyote to the "mystery meat feast" a while back. I will see if I can find the thread.
Post by: Halo on May 29, 2013, 05:11:42 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,63710.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,63710.0.html)
Post by: jkononen on May 29, 2013, 05:20:19 PM
Post by: Smossy on May 29, 2013, 05:24:43 PM
I found the thread about eating the coyote Here it is, if this works.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,63710.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,63710.0.html)
lol I just read every page, Its getting me PUMPED to try coyote. I told everyone I would.
Post by: Halo on May 29, 2013, 05:28:17 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 29, 2013, 05:32:32 PM
just don't let a game warden see you "Wasting" a coyote. I've heard many a farmer give tales of how game wardens were issueing tickets for wanton waste or destruction of public resourses (or something like that) just because they saw a dead coyote out in thier field.Well said. We owe that much to the animals we pursue and kill. I think just leaving them lay is immoral, and its also unlawful. :twocents:
I just do like my Dad always taught me, if you kill it, respect the animal by using all or as much of the animal you killed.
Like if I shoot a duck, I damn well eat the duck.
If I shoot a Coyote... well.... I'll atleast do something with it. Not waste it.
You should respect the land, and respect other peoples beliefs. Who knows, some stupid tree hugger may find your coyote you left behind and it may end up on the news... next thing you know they outlaw foothold traps. Oh yeah, wait... that already happened. lol. :chuckle:
But you know where I'm going with this. It's up to us to protect our heritage. Don't let dumb A***oles ruin it for the rest of us.
Just saying.... :tup:
Well, that now makes two posters who don't know the laws. You guys both need to talk to a Wildlife Enforcement Officer. Leaving a coyote carcass does not constitute waste of game. You're not required to take the pelt or the meat. If you want to, go for it. If you want to berate others for not doing so, instead why not consider taking each other to the prom so you Princesses will have someone of like mind with whom to enjoy it and talk with about the others. I have my doubts about either of your motives or ethics and am convinced you're preaching on here to make up for past transgressions. Me thinks thou doth protest too much.
Post by: Smossy on May 29, 2013, 05:33:16 PM
Well Smossy they have been howling around here the last few days and I think I'll take a little stroll out back this evening and go on a little "meat hunt". I see coyote backstrap round II coming. :chuckle:Woo!
Post by: TripleB on May 29, 2013, 05:47:01 PM
Post by: Halo on May 29, 2013, 07:12:55 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on May 29, 2013, 09:03:05 PM
So who's teaming up with Luke for Coyote Madness this year? :chuckle:
LMAO
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,126322.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,126322.0.html)
Was this legal, and or justified BiggLuke? :hello:
He never answered my question! :dunno:
Where are you BiggLuke? :hello:
Post by: lucky33 on May 30, 2013, 08:35:00 AM
How come Lucky and Luke haven't found the time to post the regulations?On page 79 of the regulations It says, and I quote # 2, '' You may NOT allow game animals or game birds you have taken to be recklessly wasted.'' end quote. A coyote is classifed as a game animal. I am NOT saying dont kill them, but show a little class and at least do something other than let them lay. I understand not much can be done with a manged coyote, however just killing them and leaving them to rot is a great way to fuel the anti-hunters and others who would threaten what we do. :twocents: I rest my case. You all can feel free to hate me now :tup:
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 30, 2013, 08:39:43 AM
How come Lucky and Luke haven't found the time to post the regulations?On page 79 of the regulations It says, and I quote # 2, '' You may NOT allow game animals or game birds you have taken to be recklessly wasted.'' end quote. A coyote is classifed as a game animal. I am NOT saying dont kill them, but show a little class and at least do something other than let them lay. I understand not much can be done with a manged coyote, however just killing them and leaving them to rot is a great way to fuel the anti-hunters and others who would threaten what we do. :twocents: I rest my case. You all can feel free to hate me now :tup:
Have you asked a wildlife enforcement officer yet? You'll be told it's not wasting game.
Post by: lucky33 on May 30, 2013, 08:49:02 AM
I have not. That aside, I dont find ''leaving them lay'' right as far as ethics are concerned. Yes, they are despicable critters. Yes, they do terrible things to fawns, livestock, pets, ect. Even so, in the spirit of the hunt pulling the trigger and leaving something to rot doesnt seem right to me. If we all did this, there would be no fringes on the hoods of our jackets made of good old coyote :chuckle:How come Lucky and Luke haven't found the time to post the regulations?On page 79 of the regulations It says, and I quote # 2, '' You may NOT allow game animals or game birds you have taken to be recklessly wasted.'' end quote. A coyote is classifed as a game animal. I am NOT saying dont kill them, but show a little class and at least do something other than let them lay. I understand not much can be done with a manged coyote, however just killing them and leaving them to rot is a great way to fuel the anti-hunters and others who would threaten what we do. :twocents: I rest my case. You all can feel free to hate me now :tup:
Have you asked a wildlife enforcement officer yet? You'll be told it's not wasting game.
Post by: Buckmark on May 30, 2013, 08:49:08 AM
You are incorrect, coyotes are NOT classified as game animals by the wdfw...So do what you feel you need to with them, but dont tell the rest of us what we may do is wasting game..How come Lucky and Luke haven't found the time to post the regulations?On page 79 of the regulations It says, and I quote # 2, '' You may NOT allow game animals or game birds you have taken to be recklessly wasted.'' end quote. A coyote is classifed as a game animal. I am NOT saying dont kill them, but show a little class and at least do something other than let them lay. I understand not much can be done with a manged coyote, however just killing them and leaving them to rot is a great way to fuel the anti-hunters and others who would threaten what we do. :twocents: I rest my case. You all can feel free to hate me now :tup:
Legal Status
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife does not classify coyotes as game animals, but a state license is required to hunt or trap them (RCW 77.32.010). The owner, the owner's immediate family, employee, or a tenant of real property may kill or trap a coyote on that property if it is damaging crops or domestic animals (RCW 77.36.030). A license is not required in such cases. Check with your county and/or local jurisdiction for local restrictions. Except for bona fide public or private zoological parks, persons and entities are prohibited from importing a coyote into Washington State without a permit from the Department of Agriculture and written permission from the Department of Health. Persons and entities are also prohibited from acquiring, selling, bartering, exchanging, giving, purchasing, or trapping a coyote for a pet or export (WAC 246-100-191).
Post by: DoubleJ on May 30, 2013, 08:54:14 AM
Post by: lucky33 on May 30, 2013, 08:58:25 AM
Ok. I wonder why they still want us to get a permit for say, coyote madness, when they are basically in the same class as carp. Im not hear to muddle over laws and rules. I dont like coyotes much, hate wolves, and Im not sure how I feel about foxes. Now on the flipside, would those of you that would leave a coyote lay, do the same with a wolf? Or would you take the time to pelt it out? This thread is now the biggest can of worms Ive seen. :chuckle:You are incorrect, coyotes are NOT classified as game animals by the wdfw...So do what you feel you need to with them, but dont tell the rest of us what we may do is wasting game..How come Lucky and Luke haven't found the time to post the regulations?On page 79 of the regulations It says, and I quote # 2, '' You may NOT allow game animals or game birds you have taken to be recklessly wasted.'' end quote. A coyote is classifed as a game animal. I am NOT saying dont kill them, but show a little class and at least do something other than let them lay. I understand not much can be done with a manged coyote, however just killing them and leaving them to rot is a great way to fuel the anti-hunters and others who would threaten what we do. :twocents: I rest my case. You all can feel free to hate me now :tup:
Legal Status
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife does not classify coyotes as game animals, but a state license is required to hunt or trap them (RCW 77.32.010). The owner, the owner's immediate family, employee, or a tenant of real property may kill or trap a coyote on that property if it is damaging crops or domestic animals (RCW 77.36.030). A license is not required in such cases. Check with your county and/or local jurisdiction for local restrictions. Except for bona fide public or private zoological parks, persons and entities are prohibited from importing a coyote into Washington State without a permit from the Department of Agriculture and written permission from the Department of Health. Persons and entities are also prohibited from acquiring, selling, bartering, exchanging, giving, purchasing, or trapping a coyote for a pet or export (WAC 246-100-191).
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 30, 2013, 09:02:13 AM
How come Lucky and Luke haven't found the time to post the regulations?On page 79 of the regulations It says, and I quote # 2, '' You may NOT allow game animals or game birds you have taken to be recklessly wasted.'' end quote. A coyote is classifed as a game animal. I am NOT saying dont kill them, but show a little class and at least do something other than let them lay. I understand not much can be done with a manged coyote, however just killing them and leaving them to rot is a great way to fuel the anti-hunters and others who would threaten what we do. :twocents: I rest my case. You all can feel free to hate me now :tup:
lucky33, here is a copy of the actual law that your are talking about. You are incorrect about including coyotes as being covered under this statute because they are not BIG GAME animals and unless the coyote can talk, sing & dance or is made of gold, no coyote will ever be worth more than $250.00.
The rules printed in the hunting pamplete are not always 100% complete, and a general guide. If you look on the bottom right of page 11, you will see the following:
"WAC Summary Information This pamphlet is a summary of the hunting regulations and seasons adopted by the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission. This pamphlet does not contain nor is it intended to contain all Department regulations..."
There are also Washington Criminal codes called RCW's which also apply to Fish & Wildlife which is what is here:
RCW 77.15.170
Waste of fish and wildlife — Penalty.
(1) A person is guilty of waste of fish and wildlife if:
(a) The person kills, takes, or possesses fish, shellfish, or wildlife having a value of two hundred fifty dollars or more or wildlife classified as big game; and
(b) The person recklessly allows such fish, shellfish, or wildlife to be wasted.
(2) Waste of fish and wildlife is a gross misdemeanor. Upon conviction, the department shall revoke any license or tag used in the crime and shall order suspension of the person's privileges to engage in the activity in which the person committed waste of fish and wildlife for a period of one year.
(3) It is prima facie evidence of waste if:
(a) A processor purchases or engages a quantity of food fish, shellfish, or game fish that cannot be processed within sixty hours after the food fish, game fish, or shellfish are taken from the water, unless the food fish, game fish, or shellfish are preserved in good marketable condition; or
(b) A person brings a big game animal to a wildlife meat cutter and then abandons the animal. For purposes of this subsection (3)(b), a big game animal is deemed to be abandoned when its carcass is placed in the custody of a wildlife meat cutter for butchering and processing and:
(i) Having been placed in such custody for an unspecified period of time, the meat is not removed within thirty days after the wildlife meat cutter gives notice to the person who brought in the carcass or, having been so notified, the person who brought in the carcass refuses or fails to pay the agreed upon or reasonable charges for the butchering or processing of the carcass; or
(ii) Having been placed in such custody for a specified period of time, the meat is not removed at the end of the specified period or the person who brought in the carcass refuses to pay the agreed upon or reasonable charges for the butchering or processing of the carcass.
[2012 c 176 § 16; 1999 c 258 § 5; 1998 c 190 § 21.]
So you can argue all you want, but there is no law being violated for shooting and not recovering a coyote. Sorry to burst your bubble, but there it is in black & white, look it up for yourself if you doubt me, you have all the info there to do so.
Post by: bobcat on May 30, 2013, 09:03:09 AM
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I dont find ''leaving them lay'' right as far as ethics are concerned.
So how about instead of leaving them lay, hanging them up on a fence as some guys do?
Here's another idea- how about giving us all your address so we can drop off all our coyote carcasses on your front porch? :dunno:
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 30, 2013, 09:04:12 AM
QuoteI dont find ''leaving them lay'' right as far as ethics are concerned.
So how about instead of leaving them lay, hanging them up on a fence as some guys do?
Here's one idea- how about giving us all your address so we can drop off all our coyote carcasses on your front porch? :dunno:
:chuckle:
Post by: xd2005 on May 30, 2013, 09:07:22 AM
RCW 77.15.160 Infractions
The following acts are infractions and must be cited and punished as provided under chapter 7.84 RCW:
...
2. (c) Wasting wildlife: Killing, taking, or possessing wildlife that is not classified as big game and has a value of less than two hundred fifty dollars, and allowing the wildlife to be wasted.
RCW 77.15.170 Waste of Fish and Wildlife - Penalty
(1) A person is guilty of waste of fish and wildlife if:
(a) The person kills, takes, or possesses fish, shellfish, or wildlife having a value of two hundred fifty dollars or more or wildlife classified as big game; and
(b) The person recklessly allows such fish, shellfish, or wildlife to be wasted.
(2) Waste of fish and wildlife is a gross misdemeanor. Upon conviction, the department shall revoke any license or tag used in the crime and shall order suspension of the person's privileges to engage in the activity in which the person committed waste of fish and wildlife for a period of one year.
Neither agreeing or disagreeing, simply putting out what look to be relevant RCW's.
Post by: Smossy on May 30, 2013, 09:08:49 AM
Shoooot. Id take them if that wouldnt scare all the lil ninios in the neighborhood away, actually.. thats a great idea. 20 yotes would make a finne blanket.QuoteI dont find ''leaving them lay'' right as far as ethics are concerned.
So how about instead of leaving them lay, hanging them up on a fence as some guys do?
Here's another idea- how about giving us all your address so we can drop off all our coyote carcasses on your front porch? :dunno:
Post by: lucky33 on May 30, 2013, 09:09:47 AM
You guys are great. :chuckle:QuoteI dont find ''leaving them lay'' right as far as ethics are concerned.
So how about instead of leaving them lay, hanging them up on a fence as some guys do?
Here's one idea- how about giving us all your address so we can drop off all our coyote carcasses on your front porch? :dunno:
:chuckle:
Post by: xd2005 on May 30, 2013, 09:11:21 AM
Post by: lucky33 on May 30, 2013, 09:12:11 AM
While coyotes may not be "game animals," it seems they remain "wildlife."It all can be read several different ways. My interpretation was something like this. Just trying to stay on the right side of the fence. :twocents:
RCW 77.15.160 Infractions
The following acts are infractions and must be cited and punished as provided under chapter 7.84 RCW:
...
2. (c) Wasting wildlife: Killing, taking, or possessing wildlife that is not classified as big game and has a value of less than two hundred fifty dollars, and allowing the wildlife to be wasted.
RCW 77.15.170 Waste of Fish and Wildlife - Penalty
(1) A person is guilty of waste of fish and wildlife if:
(a) The person kills, takes, or possesses fish, shellfish, or wildlife having a value of two hundred fifty dollars or more or wildlife classified as big game; and
(b) The person recklessly allows such fish, shellfish, or wildlife to be wasted.
(2) Waste of fish and wildlife is a gross misdemeanor. Upon conviction, the department shall revoke any license or tag used in the crime and shall order suspension of the person's privileges to engage in the activity in which the person committed waste of fish and wildlife for a period of one year.
Neither agreeing or disagreeing, simply putting out what look to be relevant RCW's.
Post by: Buckmark on May 30, 2013, 09:12:26 AM
If your not hear to muddle over laws and rules why try and use them to say anyone leaving a yote lay is breaking the law? Why agree with biggluke and therefore accept him calling anyone who leaves one lay the names he used, why say we are being unethical when infact we are within the rights of the law? Dont get it?Ok. I wonder why they still want us to get a permit for say, coyote madness, when they are basically in the same class as carp. Im not hear to muddle over laws and rules. I dont like coyotes much, hate wolves, and Im not sure how I feel about foxes. Now on the flipside, would those of you that would leave a coyote lay, do the same with a wolf? Or would you take the time to pelt it out? This thread is now the biggest can of worms Ive seen. :chuckle:You are incorrect, coyotes are NOT classified as game animals by the wdfw...So do what you feel you need to with them, but dont tell the rest of us what we may do is wasting game..How come Lucky and Luke haven't found the time to post the regulations?On page 79 of the regulations It says, and I quote # 2, '' You may NOT allow game animals or game birds you have taken to be recklessly wasted.'' end quote. A coyote is classifed as a game animal. I am NOT saying dont kill them, but show a little class and at least do something other than let them lay. I understand not much can be done with a manged coyote, however just killing them and leaving them to rot is a great way to fuel the anti-hunters and others who would threaten what we do. :twocents: I rest my case. You all can feel free to hate me now :tup:
Legal Status
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife does not classify coyotes as game animals, but a state license is required to hunt or trap them (RCW 77.32.010). The owner, the owner's immediate family, employee, or a tenant of real property may kill or trap a coyote on that property if it is damaging crops or domestic animals (RCW 77.36.030). A license is not required in such cases. Check with your county and/or local jurisdiction for local restrictions. Except for bona fide public or private zoological parks, persons and entities are prohibited from importing a coyote into Washington State without a permit from the Department of Agriculture and written permission from the Department of Health. Persons and entities are also prohibited from acquiring, selling, bartering, exchanging, giving, purchasing, or trapping a coyote for a pet or export (WAC 246-100-191).
As far as wolves go, i have coytoes skulls and pelts from kills and when i get to take a wolf i will save it, my first or second, but when i get to 50+ and its not against the law to let them lay, then they will lay..
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 30, 2013, 09:13:02 AM
Now on the flipside, would those of you that would leave a coyote lay, do the same with a wolf? Or would you take the time to pelt it out? This thread is now the biggest can of worms Ive seen. :chuckle:
This has become a can of worms because of people taking "Personal opinions and beliefs" and using them to try to incorrectly elevate something to a higher legal level than the law recognizes.
As far as the wolf comment, a wolf pelt would be both a very rare and unique trophy and depending on fur quality, handling and condition, could meet the $250.00 value limit very easily, so you are comparing apples to oranges and just grasping at straws instead of admitting that you were incorrect in your initial statement, despite being provided with legal proof.
Post by: bobcat on May 30, 2013, 09:17:13 AM
Maggots gotta eat too.
People don't eat coyotes, in general, so leaving them lay does not meet the definition of "wasted."
Post by: lucky33 on May 30, 2013, 09:17:19 AM
You all have been very clear in posting the rcw's and what not, yes, Ill be the first to admit guilt. My intent was not to start a war here. :tup: But I do stand behind how I feel about this. I see most all of you dont agree with me, fine. To each his own. :dunno:Now on the flipside, would those of you that would leave a coyote lay, do the same with a wolf? Or would you take the time to pelt it out? This thread is now the biggest can of worms Ive seen. :chuckle:
This has become a can of worms because of people taking "Personal opinions and beliefs" and using them to try to incorrectly elevate something to a higher legal level than the law recognizes.
As far as the wolf comment, a wolf pelt would be both a very rare and unique trophy and depending on fur quality, handling and condition, could meet the $250.00 value limit very easily, so you are comparing apples to oranges and just grasping at straws instead of admitting that you were incorrect in your initial statement, despite being provided with legal proof.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 30, 2013, 09:30:42 AM
You all have been very clear in posting the rcw's and what not, yes, Ill be the first to admit guilt. My intent was not to start a war here. :tup: But I do stand behind how I feel about this. I see most all of you dont agree with me, fine. To each his own. :dunno:Now on the flipside, would those of you that would leave a coyote lay, do the same with a wolf? Or would you take the time to pelt it out? This thread is now the biggest can of worms Ive seen. :chuckle:
This has become a can of worms because of people taking "Personal opinions and beliefs" and using them to try to incorrectly elevate something to a higher legal level than the law recognizes.
As far as the wolf comment, a wolf pelt would be both a very rare and unique trophy and depending on fur quality, handling and condition, could meet the $250.00 value limit very easily, so you are comparing apples to oranges and just grasping at straws instead of admitting that you were incorrect in your initial statement, despite being provided with legal proof.
Exactly. I do not think anyone was questioning your belief or feelings, those are very personal and individual things unique to each of us. It is admirable that you feel that a life should not be ended unless it can serve some purpose.
What I seen as being challenged was the repeated statements that this was illegal, the comments about turning people in because they were violating a law, etc., etc. Nothing more - nothing less.
Post by: lucky33 on May 30, 2013, 09:37:14 AM
Exactly. I do not think anyone was questioning your belief or feelings, those are very personal and individual things unique to each of us. It is admirable that you feel that a life should not be ended unless it can serve some purpose.
What I seen as being challenged was the repeated statements that this was illegal, the comments about turning people in because they were violating a law, etc., etc. Nothing more - nothing less.
[/quote](https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freesmileys.org%2Fsmileys%2Fsmiley-love010.gif&hash=023d12b09dab6456f724ae66c165aa685a9ba452) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) I hope we all can make up :chuckle:
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 30, 2013, 09:39:19 AM
Post by: Buckmark on May 30, 2013, 09:43:18 AM
Post by: lucky33 on May 30, 2013, 09:49:38 AM
Lucky33 atleast you were man enough to stay with it and learn something.:tup:
Post by: h20hunter on May 30, 2013, 10:23:34 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on May 30, 2013, 10:25:05 AM
I know....I am an awesome guy :chuckle:
Post by: Smossy on May 30, 2013, 10:39:20 AM
Just think of all the points I "gave" him.*Pat on the back for you*
I know....I am an awesome guy :chuckle:
You did a great thing yesterday :tup:
Post by: h20hunter on May 30, 2013, 12:00:30 PM
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on May 30, 2013, 12:48:43 PM
What do you do with a yote? Eat it if you're hungrey! otherwise leave em alone :twocents:
i'm assuming you are saying leave them alone as in leave them alone in the dirt dead where they fell,.. right?
I used to shoot em and leave em but have learned hunting them doesn't really put a dent in the population. Thinning them out just makes the local population more healthier. Best just to let them over populate and die off in cycles from mange and disease :twocents:
Leaving them alone to overpopulate isn't as fun though.
Post by: BiggLuke on May 30, 2013, 12:50:56 PM
You're gonna hate whatever I say. :tup:
But ok... you called me out into the street.
You all seem to take stuff too personally, and appently have no concept of sarcasm.
I could go on for hundreds of pages, about times, places, and events that have happened, that would prove my case, but you guys wouldn't give a S***.
Funny how everybody allways thinks they didn't do anything wrong till they get caught by a game warden.
I was simply trying to raise the issue that laws are laws. Period. Some people see them as having grey areas, some people don't. Often times field officers don't.
So go ahead and threaten me or say You wouldn't hunt with me. Why?
Because I'm a law abiding citizen who will call the cops? Fine.
Some of you say you are as well. But I've seen it in field as well. Guy says, "I fish legally all the time." Then has twice the limit in his boat. Or guy says, "I would never hunt illegally." Then gets caught shooting a coyote from a highway. Need I continue?
Whatever.....
And besides.... why would I want to post ANY rules on here from another website?
Some may STILL think I'm a liar. Some may STILL call BS on what I found. Or say I forged it.
Fine. Read the rules for yourself. Defend yourself in court.
And for the record... I only called people "Names" in the 4th person. In other words, that meant they weren't directed at any one particular person, but about a group of fictional characters for reference. As in, "Those guys" or "These things".
I still say it's wrong to waste anything on purpose. We all need to be respectful of everybodies ratural resources. It only takes 1 person to ruin it for the rest of us.
:tung: whatever. have a nice day :)
Post by: h20hunter on May 30, 2013, 12:53:56 PM
Post by: h20hunter on May 30, 2013, 01:01:13 PM
Whats your problem with me?
why do you have to follow me around to different posts on here harrasing me like this *censored*?
Huh?
I never said anything derogatory to, or about you. I just said I'd have no problem calling the cops if I saw you breaking the law.
Why does that make ME the bad guy?
I'll tell you what my problem is. Your have referred to members of this forum, in general, in derogatory terms while spouting incorrect information about what is legal or not. When asked to clarify you talk around the subject instead of directly. All you need to do is eat a little crow and stop citing regulations that don't exist while threatening to report people for made up violations.
Post by: BiggLuke on May 30, 2013, 01:04:32 PM
LOL.... :chuckle:
I wouldn't mind another 10 points in the system.
Sooooo.... If you want me to spell it out for you......
The LOL means "Laugh Out Loud".
And the Chuckling avatar means I wasn't being serious.
Come on. You really thought I would get 10 points? for what?
Of course I can't get 10 points for calling the WDFW when somebody shoots a coyote. Come on....
Would you like me to spell out the points system for you as well?
Sorry not gonna do that. It's a reward sytem. Not unlike a wanted posted. Good deed deserves good prize.
Post by: bobcat on May 30, 2013, 01:05:32 PM
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All you need to do is eat a little crow
Or perhaps in this case a little coyote would be more appropriate? :dunno:
Post by: benhuntin on May 30, 2013, 01:08:29 PM
Originally:Oh it was all a big joke. Yea right. Just man up!!!LOL.... :chuckle:
I wouldn't mind another 10 points in the system.
Sooooo.... If you want me to spell it out for you......
The LOL means "Laugh Out Loud".
And the Chuckling avatar means I wasn't being serious.
Come on. You really thought I would get 10 points? for what?
Of course I can't get 10 points for calling the WDFW when somebody shoots a coyote. Come on....
Would you like me to spell out the points system for you as well?
Sorry not gonna do that. It's a reward sytem. Not unlike a wanted posted. Good deed deserves good prize.
Post by: h20hunter on May 30, 2013, 01:09:05 PM
And what behhutin said...
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 30, 2013, 01:18:24 PM
(1) A person is guilty of waste of fish and wildlife if:
(a) The person kills, takes, or possesses fish, shellfish, or wildlife having a value of two hundred fifty dollars or more or wildlife classified as big game; and
(b) The person recklessly allows such fish, shellfish, or wildlife to be wasted.
Are you saying this is not clear and easiliy understood? Are you saying you believe a coyote to be a big game animal? Or are you valuing them at $250.00 or more? If you scroll back through here you will see many examples that show neither of these to be the case. Or you can do a search on your own if you do not trust what has been presented.
Your personal opinion is yours, no arguing that, if you feel that they should not be killed and not utilized, so be it. But the law is not on your side in this case, plain and simple.
Post by: h20hunter on May 30, 2013, 01:20:46 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on May 30, 2013, 01:21:34 PM
Post by: BiggLuke on May 30, 2013, 01:26:09 PM
IT IS A VIOLATION.
I'VE SEEN IT WITH MY OWN EYES.
Call the Olympia office yourself if you'd like.
It's one of those rules that everybody thinks is ok, but is only borderline ok.
Coyote are clasified as WILDLIFE.
If you intentially waste, you CAN get busted.
Hell, I personally know of a guy who got ticketed for Littering for shooting starlings near his house, but just left them lay. Not his property.
The same CAN and WILL happen to anybody else with coyotes.
I would list a dozen of other stories... but why should I? You won't believe me.
Post by: BiggLuke on May 30, 2013, 01:29:33 PM
BigLuke, I am not sure what part of the wastage law law as currently written you would call a gray area??
(1) A person is guilty of waste of fish and wildlife if:
(a) The person kills, takes, or possesses fish, shellfish, or wildlife having a value of two hundred fifty dollars or more or wildlife classified as big game; and
(b) The person recklessly allows such fish, shellfish, or wildlife to be wasted.
Are you saying this is not clear and easiliy understood? Are you saying you believe a coyote to be a big game animal? Or are you valuing them at $250.00 or more? If you scroll back through here you will see many examples that show neither of these to be the case. Or you can do a search on your own if you do not trust what has been presented.
Your personal opinion is yours, no arguing that, if you feel that they should not be killed and not utilized, so be it. But the law is not on your side in this case, plain and simple.
Who's to say what the value is? Some animal rights activist may make a case that any life is priceles..... In court they would only need proof of a reciept that one of their friends was willing to $250 or more for the animal..... jsut saying....
Post by: h20hunter on May 30, 2013, 01:30:29 PM
Go ahead Luke...cite me the rcw.....
Now you are a lawyer? I didn't know littering was in question here. Last time I checked there were laws against it.
Post by: xd2005 on May 30, 2013, 01:33:43 PM
BigLuke, I am not sure what part of the wastage law law as currently written you would call a gray area??
(1) A person is guilty of waste of fish and wildlife if:
(a) The person kills, takes, or possesses fish, shellfish, or wildlife having a value of two hundred fifty dollars or more or wildlife classified as big game; and
(b) The person recklessly allows such fish, shellfish, or wildlife to be wasted.
Are you saying this is not clear and easiliy understood? Are you saying you believe a coyote to be a big game animal? Or are you valuing them at $250.00 or more? If you scroll back through here you will see many examples that show neither of these to be the case. Or you can do a search on your own if you do not trust what has been presented.
Your personal opinion is yours, no arguing that, if you feel that they should not be killed and not utilized, so be it. But the law is not on your side in this case, plain and simple.
If the only argument is value, it becomes an infraction under RCW 77.150.160. The only defense would be arguing it is not wastage.
Post by: BiggLuke on May 30, 2013, 01:34:25 PM
I personally, don't want that to happen to me, so I would never leave a Coyote out in afield.
Post by: mossback91 on May 30, 2013, 01:35:55 PM
Straight from the WDFW website Big Lukey!!!
What is the definition of "wastage," and when does it apply?
•You may not allow game animals or game birds you have taken to recklessly be wasted.
•You must make a reasonable attempt to remove and use all edible meat from the carcass of harvested game fish, game birds, and game animals.
Legal Status
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife does not classify coyotes as game animals, but a state license is required to hunt or trap them (RCW 77.32.010). The owner, the owner's immediate family, employee, or a tenant of real property may kill or trap a coyote on that property if it is damaging crops or domestic animals (RCW 77.36.030). A license is not required in such cases. Check with your county and/or local jurisdiction for local restrictions. Except for bona fide public or private zoological parks, persons and entities are prohibited from importing a coyote into Washington State without a permit from the Department of Agriculture and written permission from the Department of Health. Persons and entities are also prohibited from acquiring, selling, bartering, exchanging, giving, purchasing, or trapping a coyote for a pet or export (WAC 246-100-191).
Post by: h20hunter on May 30, 2013, 01:38:33 PM
ok. whatever. You can call me wrong. but be warned, if somebody doesn't like what you did, they will find any reason to write you up.
I personally, don't want that to happen to me, so I would never leave a Coyote out in afield.
I don't care about what "somebody" thinks about my actions in the field if it is NOT A VIOLATION. If I get the chance this weekend when I'm out I'll pop a yote. I'll do it with a scary assault rifle with a high cap mag. I'll post a pic and my wild ID. You do what you THINK is right and the law will do what they should....not a thing.
Post by: mossback91 on May 30, 2013, 01:38:49 PM
Legal Status
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife does not classify coyotes as game animals,
I think that there is pretty clear!! How could a guy misinterpret that?!?!?
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 30, 2013, 01:40:05 PM
ok. whatever. You can call me wrong. but be warned, if somebody doesn't like what you did, they will find any reason to write you up.I personally, don't want that to happen to me, so I would never leave a Coyote out in afield.
Okay, now that I will agree with. But again, has noting to do with the coyote shooting/wastage law specifically. And I believe that is what people have been saying through out this thread.
Post by: xd2005 on May 30, 2013, 01:40:47 PM
:hello:
Straight from the WDFW website Big Lukey!!!
What is the definition of "wastage," and when does it apply?
•You may not allow game animals or game birds you have taken to recklessly be wasted.
•You must make a reasonable attempt to remove and use all edible meat from the carcass of harvested game fish, game birds, and game animals.
Legal Status
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife does not classify coyotes as game animals, but a state license is required to hunt or trap them (RCW 77.32.010). The owner, the owner's immediate family, employee, or a tenant of real property may kill or trap a coyote on that property if it is damaging crops or domestic animals (RCW 77.36.030). A license is not required in such cases. Check with your county and/or local jurisdiction for local restrictions. Except for bona fide public or private zoological parks, persons and entities are prohibited from importing a coyote into Washington State without a permit from the Department of Agriculture and written permission from the Department of Health. Persons and entities are also prohibited from acquiring, selling, bartering, exchanging, giving, purchasing, or trapping a coyote for a pet or export (WAC 246-100-191).
Good find.
Post by: BiggLuke on May 30, 2013, 01:41:31 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 30, 2013, 01:42:19 PM
Post by: benhuntin on May 30, 2013, 01:43:25 PM
Post by: BiggLuke on May 30, 2013, 01:43:57 PM
Fine. I'M the bad guy.
hate away........ :chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on May 30, 2013, 01:44:51 PM
still clasified as wildlife.
Pointless. The WDFW classify animals in respect to the regulations...not Ranger Luke.
I never said you were a bad guy. I'm only saying you are wrong.
Oh...sorry....forgot :chuckle:
Post by: mossback91 on May 30, 2013, 01:50:09 PM
:beatdeadhorse:
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 30, 2013, 01:50:44 PM
:chuckle: geeez.....
Fine. I'M the bad guy.
hate away........ :chuckle:
Maybe this will help....
Sheldon singing soft Kitty to Penny (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGt5H3_ygdQ#)
Post by: Buckmark on May 30, 2013, 01:52:46 PM
still clasified as wildlife.No one said they are not wildlife... :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
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Post by: Buckmark on May 30, 2013, 01:55:37 PM
:chuckle: geeez.....And a Dbag a***ole probably gate leaving open person with self proclaimed higher ethical and moral standards than other sportsman on this site...
Fine. I'M the bad guy.
hate away........ :chuckle:
Post by: lucky33 on May 30, 2013, 02:00:59 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 30, 2013, 02:03:27 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FUgKP2.gif&hash=92f1c565506c894b58f027a40043d46a1c3c66c0) This has become an epic battle :chuckle:
Now that's funny...don't care who you are!!!!
Post by: BiggLuke on May 30, 2013, 02:03:43 PM
:chuckle: geeez.....And a Dbag a***ole probably gate leaving open person with self proclaimed higher ethical and moral standards than other sportsman on this site...
Fine. I'M the bad guy.
hate away........ :chuckle:
Ok. That's fair, I deserved that.
:dunno: but you missed my point entirely. I'm gonna go back to keeping my mouth shut and keeping the feds on speed dial. Hope to see you guys in the field :hello:
Post by: Gringo31 on May 30, 2013, 02:05:37 PM
Imagine that you were a warden and with all the BS that goes on out there if there were 10 Luke's that were complaining about stupid crap that HE is upset about like a dead bumble bee on a windshield.
Post by: xd2005 on May 30, 2013, 02:10:27 PM
Just imagine......
Imagine that you were a warden and with all the BS that goes on out there if there were 10 Luke's that were complaining about stupid crap that HE is upset about like a dead bumble bee on a windshield.
Wait...dead bumble bee? If this n your windshield or someone else's? Was the person driving the speed limit???
Post by: Gringo31 on May 30, 2013, 02:13:36 PM
You can ask a judge!
:)
Post by: benhuntin on May 30, 2013, 02:13:45 PM
Post by: Buckmark on May 30, 2013, 02:14:34 PM
Speed dial away, but can you atleast tell me/us what is considered proper usage per the wdfw for a coyote, to waste it means there has to be some standard of useage, is removing the head only for a bitchin skull mount considered enough, or doe's the hide and tail also need to be used? How about the carcass afterall, if the head, tail and hide are removed can i leave the carcass and still be within the law? You your self said to kill just to kill is pointless, unethical and lacks morals and if we do that we should just shoot paper, but then you said if you killed a yote you would keep the skull and hide, so its ok if you keep the skull and hide, no other purpose, no feeding your familly, just gonna kill it for sport and the trophys you make of it. Is that not pointless killing by your definition?:chuckle: geeez.....And a Dbag a***ole probably gate leaving open person with self proclaimed higher ethical and moral standards than other sportsman on this site...
Fine. I'M the bad guy.
hate away........ :chuckle:
Ok. That's fair, I deserved that.
:dunno: but you missed my point entirely. I'm gonna go back to keeping my mouth shut and keeping the feds on speed dial. Hope to see you guys in the field :hello:
I will have a pic for you tommorrow, guaranteed of a yote i shot and have let sit now for about a year, hes looking really good...but humm maybe thats my way of taxidermy, natural taxidermy and i will retrieve the skull when ready...
Post by: headshot5 on May 30, 2013, 02:15:50 PM
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but you missed my point entirely. I'm gonna go back to keeping my mouth shut and keeping the feds on speed dial. Hope to see you guys in the field
Oh good lord the Feds, coyotes are not in witness protection, believe it or not. I hope I don't see you in the field. I hate terrible smells like BS.
Post by: h20hunter on May 30, 2013, 02:20:25 PM
Post by: washingtonmuley on May 30, 2013, 02:21:52 PM
I would bet the closet he gets to the woods is Cabela's.Quotebut you missed my point entirely. I'm gonna go back to keeping my mouth shut and keeping the feds on speed dial. Hope to see you guys in the field
Oh good lord the Feds, coyotes are not in witness protection, believe it or not. I hope I don't see you in the field. I hate terrible smells like BS.
Post by: CementFinisher on May 30, 2013, 02:25:23 PM
you have taken to recklessly be wasted. WDFW does not consider coyotes as game animals, so that means your wrong, stop scurrying around like the roach you seem to be and just say you were wrong. Perhaps you do know someone who a game warden did write a ticket for, howeverbut that game warden would have been in the wrong. A judge would have straightened that right out
Post by: Buckmark on May 30, 2013, 02:25:30 PM
Quotes from you:
1) If I shoot a Coyote... well.... I'll atleast do something with it. Not waste it.
2) Don't be a D-bag and make us all look bad by just killing stuff for the sake of killing.
3) I'm calling jerks who dont hunt but just like kill stuff D-bags.
But then you say this:
1) I don't personnaly care if we all use dynomite to kill evry last one of them....
So what is it you care or dont care, i am confused, its ok to kill them or not, and if we do we have to use them, but if WE use dynomite what will be left?
Post by: Buckmark on May 30, 2013, 02:54:39 PM
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Hey Biggluke read it and weep...
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Frank,
Although we do regulate coyote hunting to a certain degree, they are not classified as game animals. Currently we do not require hunters who harvest coyotes to do anything with the carcass. Most successful hunters try to sell the hides to a licensed fur dealer but there is no penalty if you don’t. As you know, they have no value in terms of their meat for consumption or they would likely be classified as a game animal. Other unclassified wildlife include such species as skunks, porcupines and yellow-bellied marmots. The RCW you referenced would only apply to coyotes in the event that a regulation were violated regarding manner or method of take, not have a hunting license, etc. Wastage is not a consideration for this species.
I hope that answers your questions. Thank you for taking the time to research this in advance.
Mike Jewell, Sergeant
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
Law Enforcement Program
Region 2/Detachment 16
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Phone: (509) 770-4056
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michael.jewell@dfw.wa.gov
WDFW Police on Facebook
Outdoor Police Beat
Enforcement website: http://wdfw.wa.gov/enforcement (http://wdfw.wa.gov/enforcement)
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If you dissagree with the above statment sent to me from the WDFW then take it up with them.
Other than that shut your pie hole..... :stup:
Post by: Becky on May 30, 2013, 02:58:27 PM
Heck yea :) I'm glad we figured it out..
Post by: Smossy on May 30, 2013, 02:59:02 PM
Hey h2o dont leave yet, you will love this...oh and wtch what you call me D-rock might get jealeous... :chuckle:BOOOYAH!
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Hey Biggluke read it and weep...
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Frank,
Although we do regulate coyote hunting to a certain degree, they are not classified as game animals. Currently we do not require hunters who harvest coyotes to do anything with the carcass. Most successful hunters try to sell the hides to a licensed fur dealer but there is no penalty if you don’t. As you know, they have no value in terms of their meat for consumption or they would likely be classified as a game animal. Other unclassified wildlife include such species as skunks, porcupines and yellow-bellied marmots. The RCW you referenced would only apply to coyotes in the event that a regulation were violated regarding manner or method of take, not have a hunting license, etc. Wastage is not a consideration for this species.
I hope that answers your questions. Thank you for taking the time to research this in advance.
Mike Jewell, Sergeant
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
Law Enforcement Program
Region 2/Detachment 16
(
Phone: (509) 770-4056
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michael.jewell@dfw.wa.gov
WDFW Police on Facebook
Outdoor Police Beat
Enforcement website: http://wdfw.wa.gov/enforcement (http://wdfw.wa.gov/enforcement)
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If you dissagree with the above statment sent to me from the WDFW then take it up with them.
Other than that shut your pie hole..... :stup:
Post by: h20hunter on May 30, 2013, 02:59:58 PM
Post by: BiggLuke on May 30, 2013, 03:16:36 PM
Post by: h20hunter on May 30, 2013, 03:18:09 PM
Whatever. I'll man up in person. I don't have to say I'm wrong, when nobody here is even listening to me.
And I'm back in!
Man up in person? Ooohh........trembling.
People are listening...just not taking you seriously. Now.... Mike Jewell, Sergeant....I take him seriously. Is he wrong?
Post by: BiggLuke on May 30, 2013, 03:18:36 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on May 30, 2013, 03:21:57 PM
Post by: Buckmark on May 30, 2013, 03:26:22 PM
Hey Buckmark, I can take things you said, and put them out of context too....:dunno: Can you not comprehend what you read? The reply i posted is the direct copy and paste of the reply i received from wdfw.... From Sergeant Mike Jewell, his office ph# is 509-770-4056, call and ask him yourself.
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The first and last sentance clearly spells out that you are wrong, it is not wastage to leave them and we are not required to do anything with them...
You may think differently and have your own opinion, but thats just that your opinion not the law...
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Post by: Buckmark on May 30, 2013, 03:48:25 PM
Whatever. I'll man up in person. I don't have to say I'm wrong, when nobody here is even listening to me.I have read what you wrote, but here is a recap for you.
1) just don't let a game warden see you "Wasting" a coyote.
2) If you think I'm wrong, and you STILL think it's ok to just waste, why don't you all start giving me your Addresses... I'll start making a list for WDFW.
3) But yeah. If you walked away like a common criminal, I'd have a ton of pictures to help support the evidence that I would gladly hand over to an Officer. lol.
4) Tell that to Judge.
5) IT IS A VIOLATION.
I'VE SEEN IT WITH MY OWN EYES.
6) It's one of those rules that everybody thinks is ok, but is only borderline ok.
7) The same CAN and WILL happen to anybody else with coyotes.
8) I'm gonna go back to keeping my mouth shut and keeping the feds on speed dial
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Your wrong and wont admit it, tells alot about your character...
Post by: Kola16 on May 30, 2013, 03:58:29 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,116352.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,116352.0.html)
Post by: Gringo31 on May 30, 2013, 04:03:53 PM
Too funny
Post by: mossback91 on May 30, 2013, 04:23:22 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 30, 2013, 04:25:07 PM
Gotta love this site when it's not hunting season!!! :chuckle:
True Dat!!! :tup:
Post by: Becky on May 30, 2013, 04:34:03 PM
Post by: Maligator on May 30, 2013, 05:44:13 PM
Loved the epic battle dueling star wars chars :chuckle:
Post by: huntingfool7 on May 31, 2013, 05:54:35 AM
Personally, I use the sinew and skulls to make gruesome jewelry which I use to intimidate my enemies and attract women.
Funniest post ever!
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on May 31, 2013, 06:22:35 AM
..... :o
IT IS A VIOLATION.
I'VE SEEN IT WITH MY OWN EYES.
Call the Olympia office yourself if you'd like.
It's one of those rules that everybody thinks is ok, but is only borderline ok.
Coyote are clasified as WILDLIFE.
If you intentially waste, you CAN get busted.
Hell, I personally know of a guy who got ticketed for Littering for shooting starlings near his house, but just left them lay. Not his property.
The same CAN and WILL happen to anybody else with coyotes.
I would list a dozen of other stories... but why should I? You won't believe me.
I see you woke up unwise again BiggLuke! :chuckle:
Does anyone remember the kid at school that always had outlandish stories about what he did, saw, or had happen to him, and could always do things bigger, and better, and had no problem changing their story to one up someone else's story, even if it meant a bold face lie?
Well I think he has come to the Hunt Wa forum as an adult! :lol4: :bdid:
Post by: paulf919 on May 31, 2013, 07:54:21 AM
Post by: h20hunter on May 31, 2013, 08:03:17 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on May 31, 2013, 08:06:48 AM
Lol his responses when he's backed into a corner just get funnier and funnier as the thread progresses... Even Smossy was a punk and got banned a lot when we were first on here but he had NO problem admitting when he was wrong... Especially when the evidence is blazing in front of everyone haha..smossys still a punk. Just joking :chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on May 31, 2013, 08:12:03 AM
Post by: lucky33 on May 31, 2013, 08:20:37 AM
Post by: muzbuster on May 31, 2013, 08:29:37 AM
I see you woke up unwise again BiggLuke! :chuckle:
Does anyone remember the kid at school that always had outlandish stories about what he did, saw, or had happen to him, and could always do things bigger, and better, and had no problem changing their story to one up someone else's story, even if it meant a bold face lie?
Well I think he has come to the Hunt Wa forum as an adult! :lol4: :bdid:
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You nailed it Boss!
I just read his post about the decoys......WOW.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 31, 2013, 08:32:12 AM
I hope that punk (smossy) makes it up and down the mountain safely! I want to read about him eating a yote! And I want to see his pics and videos of the adventure!
Post by: h20hunter on May 31, 2013, 08:33:04 AM
Post by: xd2005 on May 31, 2013, 08:35:55 AM
Wouldn't it be something if he got stuck up there overnight and had to eat a yote to stay alive? :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 31, 2013, 08:44:36 AM
Post by: npaull on May 31, 2013, 08:47:53 AM
Post by: BIGINNER on May 31, 2013, 08:49:59 AM
It IS wrong to kill a native animal that's not threatening your person/property and waste it. And it's certainly VERY, VERY bad for hunting's reputation. You may not change your practice, but for the love stop proudly posting about how you kill and waste "piles" of coyotes. I can't think of a better way to turn off the non-hunting public.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:.... :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: lucky33 on May 31, 2013, 08:53:02 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on May 31, 2013, 08:56:25 AM
It IS wrong to kill a native animal that's not threatening your person/property and waste it. And it's certainly VERY, VERY bad for hunting's reputation. You may not change your practice, but for the love stop proudly posting about how you kill and waste "piles" of coyotes. I can't think of a better way to turn off the non-hunting public.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.memegenerator.net%2Finstances%2F400x%2F38284811.jpg&hash=780f1ff40eaa1d5e1e0152d8b117e3712192cb26)
Post by: npaull on May 31, 2013, 09:00:09 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on May 31, 2013, 09:03:38 AM
It IS wrong to kill a native animal that's not threatening your person/property and waste it. And it's certainly VERY, VERY bad for hunting's reputation. You may not change your practice, but for the love stop proudly posting about how you kill and waste "piles" of coyotes. I can't think of a better way to turn off the non-hunting public.
The more you know (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3rhQc666Sg#)
Post by: BIGINNER on May 31, 2013, 09:04:27 AM
The former.
:chuckle: :chuckle: congrats!!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: washingtonmuley on May 31, 2013, 09:30:53 AM
Do they eat coyote in medical lake? how things have changed.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 31, 2013, 09:32:18 AM
:peep:
OOPS!!! Maybe I shouldn't open that can of worms :o
Post by: headshot5 on May 31, 2013, 09:36:34 AM
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Maybe just switch to hunting coyotes at night with a spotlight and hope his camera/phone doesn't have a flash....
I think your safe night-hunting. This is when certain people get together with the voices in their heads and pass laws.
Post by: lucky33 on May 31, 2013, 10:29:01 AM
Hey Lucky,A few of us might..... :drool:
Do they eat coyote in medical lake? how things have changed.
Post by: Gringo31 on May 31, 2013, 10:36:21 AM
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It IS wrong to kill a native animal that's not threatening your person/property and waste it. And it's certainly VERY, VERY bad for hunting's reputation. You may not change your practice, but for the love stop proudly posting about how you kill and waste "piles" of coyotes.
What is considered "not threatening"?
Post by: BIGINNER on May 31, 2013, 10:39:55 AM
Post by: Huntboy on May 31, 2013, 11:05:26 AM
weid I just noticed that the title of this thread is misspelled :o
:yeah: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 31, 2013, 11:22:56 AM
We should ban you for giving out rediculous information.
so what.... somebody calls you a name, and you instantly start yelling "Teacher, Teacher! He called me a name!"
whatever.
:devil:
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 31, 2013, 11:32:14 AM
You should go back to his house when he's not there... and put up a sign in his yard that says "we discriminate against other people not like us"
Then call the cops about a hate crime.... lol.....
:dunno:
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on May 31, 2013, 11:55:40 AM
Dumb Ass... did you even read his post?
He don't have a 16 gauge... it was an either/or type qestion.
Moron....
Post by: huntingfool7 on June 02, 2013, 07:04:11 AM
Breath *censored* Breath. Doing CPR.... 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ....
Post by: Smossy on June 02, 2013, 01:59:28 PM
12 pages and I still have not had enough....:lol4: Hows everything going with the volunteer stuff buddy?
Breath *censored* Breath. Doing CPR.... 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ....
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 02, 2013, 02:33:18 PM
i wanted so badly to blame the gun but i shot it 2 days before and shot a 3 inch group at 220 yards... these would have fed the worms and birds in the field if i had gotten them. the farmer got a good laugh at my espense though.... :chuckle:
ill get em next time! err... maybe...
Post by: huntingfool7 on June 02, 2013, 08:48:10 PM
12 pages and I still have not had enough....:lol4: Hows everything going with the volunteer stuff buddy?
Breath *dadblasted* Breath. Doing CPR.... 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ....
Should have my certification by the end of June! Just gotta get after it.
Save me a drumstick when you fillet up your first coyote for the BBQ.
Post by: Becky on June 02, 2013, 08:54:56 PM
12 pages and I still have not had enough....:lol4: Hows everything going with the volunteer stuff buddy?
Breath *dadblasted* Breath. Doing CPR.... 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ....
Should have my certification by the end of June! Just gotta get after it.
Save me a drumstick when you fillet up your first coyote for the BBQ.
Yuck. You going to be at the BBQ??
Post by: huntingfool7 on June 03, 2013, 06:30:36 AM
Gotta think that coyote must taste like veal or fawn.
How about it Big Luke, ya in?
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on June 03, 2013, 07:03:56 AM
This is awesome! Did biggluke take his ball and go home? :chuckle:
I hope that punk (smossy) makes it up and down the mountain safely! I want to read about him eating a yote! And I want to see his pics and videos of the adventure!
He probably found a different play ground where his ball and bat is the biggest, and his stories are believed! :dunno:
Post by: JamesK. on June 07, 2013, 05:50:22 PM
Post by: Smossy on June 08, 2013, 11:55:56 PM
This is awesome! Did biggluke take his ball and go home? :chuckle:Lol jeesh whats with the name calling? I made it just fine and videos/photos have been posted. :tup:
I hope that punk (smossy) makes it up and down the mountain safely! I want to read about him eating a yote! And I want to see his pics and videos of the adventure!
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 10, 2013, 08:47:14 AM
This is awesome! Did biggluke take his ball and go home? :chuckle:Lol jeesh whats with the name calling? I made it just fine and videos/photos have been posted. :tup:
I hope that punk (smossy) makes it up and down the mountain safely! I want to read about him eating a yote! And I want to see his pics and videos of the adventure!
Post by: Smossy on June 10, 2013, 10:44:32 AM
:sry: someone else started it! I looked at the pics and that was pretty cool! I hope your burns are healing up.Burns are all healed up, just have fresh baby-like skin now. Lesson learned I guess. :dunno:This is awesome! Did biggluke take his ball and go home? :chuckle:Lol jeesh whats with the name calling? I made it just fine and videos/photos have been posted. :tup:
I hope that punk (smossy) makes it up and down the mountain safely! I want to read about him eating a yote! And I want to see his pics and videos of the adventure!
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on June 11, 2013, 07:35:54 AM
Post by: Smossy on June 11, 2013, 04:06:21 PM
What was the temps like when you climbed her Smossy?Pretty decent actually. I couldn't give you exact temps but I imagine with the weather it was given, when clouds rolled through was about high 50's, When clouds cleared and the sun slammed it felt like mid 70's. Snow was melting once we reached the top. Made for a hard climb, snow turned to ice.
Post by: 724wd on June 11, 2013, 08:50:38 PM
What was the temps like when you climbed her Smossy?
isn't that between Smossy and SmossysGirl?! :yike:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on June 11, 2013, 09:02:32 PM
What was the temps like when you climbed her Smossy?
isn't that between Smossy and SmossysGirl?! :yike:
Nope, has nothing to do with smossysgirl, mountains are referred to as female origin. :yike:
Post by: 724wd on June 11, 2013, 09:08:10 PM
What was the temps like when you climbed her Smossy?
isn't that between Smossy and SmossysGirl?! :yike:
Nope, has nothing to do with smossysgirl, mountains are referred to as female origin. :yike:
hmmm... i like my version better! ;) :chuckle:
Post by: Smossy on June 11, 2013, 10:34:18 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on June 12, 2013, 06:15:01 AM
Lmao you guys are funny.
Funny, I'm completely serious about my statement. I would never talk about another mans women like that! :tup:
Post by: sakoshooter on June 12, 2013, 07:11:46 PM
I know most of u hunters have shot a few coyotes in ur time .besides mounting or keeping the pelt what do u guys do with then?
I cook the backstraps using my venison tenderloin recipe. The hind quarters go into my scrap meat for sausage pile.
Post by: lucky33 on June 18, 2013, 04:51:20 PM
Post by: Curly on August 22, 2013, 07:03:59 AM
Hold up....you are saying that if you and I happen to bump into each other....I'm hunting completely legally with regards to all requirements.....out pops a yote....I drop him....snap a pic or two...and keep on walking. I don't take the hide, head, tail, nothing....I just walk away.......you are gonna turn me in for waste? Is that what you are saying. You want your 10 points for that? Please, don't beat around the bush....answer directly and clearly. Yes or no.
Yes.
Well... what I'm saying is that I might try to convince you to do the right thing if I bumped into you. ;) Even go so far as making you feal guilty, if you dumped the sucker after I left, well, who knows then. That'd be different.
That sounds like hunter harassment to me, and that is illegal. That would be funny if Biggluke harassed someone for leaving a yote lay, then got cited for harassment. :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 22, 2013, 07:52:07 AM
Hold up....you are saying that if you and I happen to bump into each other....I'm hunting completely legally with regards to all requirements.....out pops a yote....I drop him....snap a pic or two...and keep on walking. I don't take the hide, head, tail, nothing....I just walk away.......you are gonna turn me in for waste? Is that what you are saying. You want your 10 points for that? Please, don't beat around the bush....answer directly and clearly. Yes or no.
Yes.
Well... what I'm saying is that I might try to convince you to do the right thing if I bumped into you. ;) Even go so far as making you feal guilty, if you dumped the sucker after I left, well, who knows then. That'd be different.
That sounds like hunter harassment to me, and that is illegal. That would be funny if Biggluke harassed someone for leaving a yote lay, then got cited for harassment. :chuckle:
Really? This argument again after we already had it in the beginning of the thread? Outstanding. :bash:
Post by: elk247 on August 22, 2013, 07:58:08 AM
Post by: h20hunter on August 22, 2013, 08:00:38 AM
Post by: elk247 on August 22, 2013, 08:13:37 AM
Post by: Curly on August 22, 2013, 09:48:24 AM
Hold up....you are saying that if you and I happen to bump into each other....I'm hunting completely legally with regards to all requirements.....out pops a yote....I drop him....snap a pic or two...and keep on walking. I don't take the hide, head, tail, nothing....I just walk away.......you are gonna turn me in for waste? Is that what you are saying. You want your 10 points for that? Please, don't beat around the bush....answer directly and clearly. Yes or no.
Yes.
Well... what I'm saying is that I might try to convince you to do the right thing if I bumped into you. ;) Even go so far as making you feal guilty, if you dumped the sucker after I left, well, who knows then. That'd be different.
That sounds like hunter harassment to me, and that is illegal. That would be funny if Biggluke harassed someone for leaving a yote lay, then got cited for harassment. :chuckle:
Really? This argument again after we already had it in the beginning of the thread? Outstanding. :bash:
I wasted almost an hour this morning reading this dang thread. I didn't see anyone mention to BiggLuke that he would be harassing someone if he wanted to complain to them about leaving a yote lay. I had second thoughts about posting in an old thread, but I figured I'd wasted an hour of my time, I might as well post my thought too. :sry:
Post by: Becky on August 22, 2013, 07:34:43 PM
Post by: dis_pat_ on August 28, 2013, 08:37:21 AM
If you own an actual farm or ranch and they are actually causing monetary damage, then that's a different story. Since only a few percentage of Americans do that for a living, I doubt that applies to many here. Also: Your wife's cat or small yapping dog isn't "livestock" that needs to be protected.
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 28, 2013, 08:43:26 AM
I've eaten one ground up. Sausage and chili. Was just fine, don't see the squeamishness about it. I didn't go to great lengths to use every bit of it.
If you own an actual farm or ranch and they are actually causing monetary damage, then that's a different story. Since only a few percentage of Americans do that for a living, I doubt that applies to many here. Also: Your wife's cat or small yapping dog isn't "livestock" that needs to be protected.
So only farmers and ranchers can justify killing a coyote without eating the nasty son-of-a-b**ch? Protecting your dogs isn't a valid reason to kill an animal that's already open year round?
I doubt you ate coyote sausage. I doubt very seriously you'd be of this opinion if you've actually eaten coyote meat.
Post by: dis_pat_ on August 28, 2013, 08:56:17 AM
I've eaten one ground up. Sausage and chili. Was just fine, don't see the squeamishness about it. I didn't go to great lengths to use every bit of it.
If you own an actual farm or ranch and they are actually causing monetary damage, then that's a different story. Since only a few percentage of Americans do that for a living, I doubt that applies to many here. Also: Your wife's cat or small yapping dog isn't "livestock" that needs to be protected.
So only farmers and ranchers can justify killing a coyote without eating the nasty son-of-a-b**ch? Protecting your dogs isn't a valid reason to kill an animal that's already open year round?
I doubt you ate coyote sausage. I doubt very seriously you'd be of this opinion if you've actually eaten coyote meat.
I have butchered and eaten it just like bear or squirrel. A bit awkward to butcher and i wouldn't make a habit of it. I don't really care if you do or don't eat it. Nor do I care if you do anything with the hide. I just see a lot of over-the-top he-manship about coyotes from people that really have no direct complaint against them.
Post by: Curly on August 28, 2013, 09:00:23 AM
As sportsman, all of us have complaints against coyotes. They are eating up the deer fawns that grow-up into the deer that we love to hunt. I'd prefer to have more deer and less coyotes. :twocents:
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 28, 2013, 09:13:58 AM
No he-manship here boss. I care more about deer than coyotes.