Post by: bowman on October 14, 2008, 09:43:44 AM
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Post by: bowman on October 14, 2008, 10:19:27 AM
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Seven pins!!?? How far are you planning on shooting?
The extra pins are so I can shoot a target further out. I feel that when I practice futher out then when I would shoot at an animal, that it helps me when I am closer.
I was leaning towards the spot hogg. Spot hogg has a lot of sights. I guess now I need to decide on which one.
Hogg it 7 pin, 7 pin hunter hogg it, or the 7 deadly pins micro adjust.
The hogg it 7 pin has several pin options including two fiber optic pin sizes (.019 or .029), aluminum pins, or the new always-bright tritium pin. The round aluminum pin guard also available in two sizes (2" or 2 3/8"). What options would I choose for this one?
Thanks for all your help....
Post by: rougheye on October 14, 2008, 10:21:14 AM
Sorry to jump all over you , I was just reading the ethical or unethical thread and it was pissin me off. Didnt mean to target you :hello:I use the montana black gold ( 7 pins) thats right 7 pins and its non of your damn business how far i shoot or where im hunting or anything about me . Every time i open a thread these days there is some no it all telling everybody what to use and how to hunt . pretty sad , this used to be a pretty cool sight .
Wow! I was just curious, it wasn't a put down. Most of the hunters I know use two or three pins, I'd never heard of someone using seven, no big deal...just an honest question.
Post by: archery288 on October 14, 2008, 10:23:52 AM
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Post by: stlhdr1 on October 16, 2008, 08:19:09 PM
Keith :tung:
Post by: mlgunkel on October 16, 2008, 08:22:20 PM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on October 17, 2008, 04:57:53 PM
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Post by: stlhdr1 on October 17, 2008, 09:44:09 PM
Im not a fan of the spot hogg, they make a nice sight, I have one on my Pro Elite I use for indoors right now, but my vote is for the flashpoint ignite 7 pin by MBG....
Very interesting sight... I just checked it out and wouldn't mind checking one out in a store.... Do they have the intensity of brightness that a spot hogg has?
Keith :)
Post by: Big10gauge on October 17, 2008, 10:13:59 PM
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Post by: Elkman on November 01, 2008, 09:58:19 PM
Hate all those pins blocking my view, and the chance of using the wrong one. but that's me.
Been shooting a single pin for 20 years.
HHA Sports
Model OL-5500
(micro windage)
5 feet of .030 fiber optic.
Exclusive rheostat adjusts pin brightness in seconds!
Lens compatible: Fits Lens Kit B in 2, 4, or 6 power.
Also available in .019 fiber optic (Model OL-5519).
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Post by: Slider on November 02, 2008, 07:32:36 AM
Post by: WonkyWapiti on November 02, 2008, 11:16:09 AM
Post by: coonhound on November 02, 2008, 01:25:49 PM
I have a flashpoint on my Truth 2, and I love it....other than getting made fun of when it is purple :chuckle:
Does the darkening cover do a nice job of dimming the fibers in bright sunlight? That's my biggest beef with a typical wrapped sight, they are just too bright. I'm leaning heavy towards the flashpoint.
Coon
Post by: Slider on November 02, 2008, 05:43:25 PM
Post by: PA BEN on November 03, 2008, 05:16:23 AM
Post by: huntnphool on November 03, 2008, 09:47:14 AM
Post by: Gobble on November 03, 2008, 10:08:04 AM
Don't spend the big bucks. Get a 3 pin tru-glo. set one at 20, one at 30 and one at your max yardage. Lets say 70 yds is max. If you have a fast flat shooting bow that's all you need. 7 pins can be a bit confusing when the kill of a lift time steps out. I hear a lot of story's about, "I missed because I used the wrong pin". :twocents:
I agree about the pin number 100%. It can be very confusing when you have 5 or 6 pins to chose from. Todays bows are much flatter shooting than the bows from 10 or more years ago.
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on November 03, 2008, 12:16:36 PM
Post by: Antlershed on November 03, 2008, 01:12:42 PM
I have only had the pleasure of shooting targets in bright sunlight, but the pins didn't seem too bright for me. :twocents:I have a flashpoint on my Truth 2, and I love it....other than getting made fun of when it is purple :chuckle:
Does the darkening cover do a nice job of dimming the fibers in bright sunlight? That's my biggest beef with a typical wrapped sight, they are just too bright. I'm leaning heavy towards the flashpoint.
Coon
Post by: bowman on November 03, 2008, 06:06:35 PM
Post by: PA BEN on November 03, 2008, 06:12:43 PM
flashpoint ignite....... 7 pins... fantastic......also im not really sure what you guys are talking about having 5-7 pins being confusing..... its not.... if someone used the wrong pin thats just a really dumb mental mistake....... also I like to know 100% where my arrow is hitting, and unless you are shooting well over 320fps.. which very few people do..... having 3 pins one at 20,30 and 70 is careless and a recipe for diaster...... at 50yrds shooting over 300 you will still have drop to where you could not use your 30pin... and again.. 99% of us bowhunters are not shooting those speeds.... more like 270-290...... having 20-80 makes sure when I get my shot I know exactly where my arrow will hit.... not gap shooting and guessing........I killed two elk at 60 yds. Used my 70 yd pin :rolleyes: Practice, practice and more practice ;)
Post by: coonhound on November 03, 2008, 08:47:11 PM
flashpoint ignite....... 7 pins... fantastic......also im not really sure what you guys are talking about having 5-7 pins being confusing..... its not.... if someone used the wrong pin thats just a really dumb mental mistake....... also I like to know 100% where my arrow is hitting, and unless you are shooting well over 320fps.. which very few people do..... having 3 pins one at 20,30 and 70 is careless and a recipe for diaster...... at 50yrds shooting over 300 you will still have drop to where you could not use your 30pin... and again.. 99% of us bowhunters are not shooting those speeds.... more like 270-290...... having 20-80 makes sure when I get my shot I know exactly where my arrow will hit.... not gap shooting and guessing........
I would agree somewhat with your statement about gap shooting unless you practice religiously. My hunting buddy used 2 pins for years, a 25 yd and a 50 yd, he's killed more elk and deer than any bow hunter I've known and he's won at least a dozen 3D's over the years, did I mention his bow only shoots a wopping 256 fps. I myself like 5 pins, but I wouldn't call it careless or a recipe for disaster for everyone that chooses to use 3 pins, only those that don't put in the needed practice.
Coon :twocents:
Post by: PA BEN on November 04, 2008, 04:42:22 AM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on November 04, 2008, 01:30:55 PM
flashpoint ignite....... 7 pins... fantastic......also im not really sure what you guys are talking about having 5-7 pins being confusing..... its not.... if someone used the wrong pin thats just a really dumb mental mistake....... also I like to know 100% where my arrow is hitting, and unless you are shooting well over 320fps.. which very few people do..... having 3 pins one at 20,30 and 70 is careless and a recipe for diaster...... at 50yrds shooting over 300 you will still have drop to where you could not use your 30pin... and again.. 99% of us bowhunters are not shooting those speeds.... more like 270-290...... having 20-80 makes sure when I get my shot I know exactly where my arrow will hit.... not gap shooting and guessing........I killed two elk at 60 yds. Used my 70 yd pin :rolleyes: Practice, practice and more practice ;)
Thats a 10yrd diff on a animal with a HUGE kill zone.... put the 70 on the heart...... double lung everytime.. thats not impressive nor is it using a 20,30 and 70 pin.... sure some people can with a ton of practice do fine, but to me there is still way to much room for error with only 3 pins..... knowing where to hold your 30 pin on a 50 yrd shot on a animal is way diff then in the backyard.. there are EXCEPTIONS to any rule.... but for the overall argument you cant convince me that 3 is a sound idea for hunting...... the only gap shooting to me thats fine is 35 yrds or 25 or 26 or so on... for a 35 yrd shot.... thats easy 30 on the heart/lower body 40 on the back.... thats fine you have references in that situation.. but holding high with a 30 pin on a 50 or 60 is just crazy.... when you are focusing in on a animal it may look like you are holding 15 in above the back where you know it will hit but thats such a small margin of error and not worth wounding a animal........
Post by: bullcanyon on November 04, 2008, 02:36:21 PM
So what do you think about guys that do it old school and sight down the arrow? I know a guy that kills a ton of game this way. You'd probably throw him in jail for having some SKILL and being able to judge yardage and just be able to instinctively shoot. Same as the hunters shooting traditional.
I prefer my 5 pin hogg it, but that is just me. I do have respect for hunters that put the time in to know their equipment as well as they do to shoot with more primitive gear.
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on November 04, 2008, 02:48:33 PM
Post by: BlackTail on November 04, 2008, 03:46:26 PM
again nice try to make it seem like im close minded.. you still wont ever convince me 3 is better then 5 or 7..... aiming with a exact pin with a exact distance will always be better then gap shooting.. period.. I dont care if you do it everyday and are REALLY good at it.. thats my stance..... and that wont change....
Close minded?? Where would anybody get that from?? :dunno:
Post by: Antlershed on November 04, 2008, 03:54:47 PM
You beat me to it.... :chuckle:again nice try to make it seem like im close minded.. you still wont ever convince me 3 is better then 5 or 7..... aiming with a exact pin with a exact distance will always be better then gap shooting.. period.. I dont care if you do it everyday and are REALLY good at it.. thats my stance..... and that wont change....
Close minded?? Where would anybody get that from?? :dunno:
Post by: bullcanyon on November 04, 2008, 06:08:29 PM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on November 04, 2008, 09:15:51 PM
Post by: PA BEN on November 05, 2008, 04:58:07 PM
Post by: coonhound on November 05, 2008, 07:50:35 PM
arrogant? how about confident? thats more like it, I shoot pins better then most competitive shooters shoot freestyle, and if you dont know what that is.. thats the upper echelon of indoor/field/3d archery.... long stabilizers, counter weights, magnafied scopes, etc etc.. so yes you could say I have reason to be arrogant.. or in my eyes confident because I know what I can do.... also I have been a bowhunter for 13 years now, hunted 3-6 states a year and only not filled all of my deer tags twice... to the tune of around 100 deer so far with a bow, elk, turkey, coyote etc etc.. im not the best bowhunter by far but id say thats a pretty good start considering no one in my family hunted.... so I taught myself.... I also am pro staff shooter, something I am very proud of.. and I worked very hard for it.... and I did not get that just because of my shooting ability, my integrity, and person came into play as well, and no one would say im a close minded arrogant person.. I am however very opinionated and do not have a issue speaking my mind on those things.. just like here.. I am curious how it seems to any of you that shooting with 3 pins is better then 5 or 6 or 7 pins..... would you rather aim dead on or gap shoot 15, 20 or 30 yrds? thats my point and I dont see how you could see it any other way.... but if you do thats your opinion and I dont call anyone out on that......... I do shoot 5-7 days a week all year long and compete 9 months out of the year.. maybe just maybe I might be able to help people.... maybe just maybe I know how to shoot a bow? what proper form is? and how to correctly shoot back tension... things the average archer/hunter do not do or really understand....... remember when I shoot a indoor tournament with my Pro Elite and my spot hogg 5 pin hunting sight.... I am hitting a target the size of a quarter and 1 or 2 misses out of 30 shots means I lose..... and i dont lose to often.... :) I can and am more then willing to help anyone and everyone on here and learn what I can from anyone that can teach me something......... but I will always voice my OP... always.. so if that makes me close minded or arrogant...... all I can say is.. get to know me, shoot a round with me, hunt with me...... then form that opinion........
I absolutely don't doubt your shooting ability, I for one would be far more impressed by someone that has the ability to utilze primitive gear effectively, in my humble opinion it takes a far superior archer to accomplish that task. As far as shooting with the "upper echelon" my hunting partner has humbled many of them with a stripped down hunting bow with his 2 pins. I'm sure you have a lot to offer when you're talking about your personal style but it does appear you are "closed minded" when it comes to the overall sport.
Coon
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on November 05, 2008, 10:22:15 PM
In my opinion you sound more arrogant then confident. :'( I picked up the bow 22 years ago, it was a bear recurve 55 lb. no sights, I then want to a longbow 70 lb. again no sights. I now shoot a Darton compond bow with 3 sight pin's :yike: O'my god this is wrong "in your very humble opinion". Sounds like you're a good shot. Well I'm a good shot too with my 3 pins. But, you don't know jack s#!t about my shooting ability, I'm just doing it all wrong. Thanks for showing me the way. :chuckle:
Your right I dont know about you shooting ability. and I dont agree with your chioce of pins, I never said its "wrong" doesnt make any sense to me and I see no reason for it, but wrong is not the word id use, if youd rather not aim dead on with a pin and gap shoot instead ( again makes no sense to me or any other person I have talked too) then good for you thats your call.. also im glad you picked up a bow 22 years ago.. thats 10 more then me and im 24 and your 44... I got started a little earlier... and just because you have been doing something for a very long time does not mean your doing it right..... ive seen plenty of people punch the crap out of a trigger release but they do it all the time and they can shoot fairly well.... doesnt make their shot execution right...... no matter how well they shoot or how long.....
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on November 05, 2008, 10:24:29 PM
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Post by: coonhound on November 06, 2008, 06:10:35 PM
Coon
Post by: DeKuma on November 07, 2008, 12:01:54 PM
I used to use a Tru-Glo 5 pin, but am trying out the King Cobra Single pin slider this year. Not sure how I like it yet. Great for a set yardage, but worry about having to adjust in the heat of the moment.
Post by: Stalker on November 07, 2008, 12:18:39 PM
Thanks for that Coonhound. I agree, the thread has gotten a little brash. Let's keep it to the topic at hand and keep the personal attacks out of it.DeKuma, I shot a Savage Archery Quick Click single adjustable pin for a few years; it worked well for 3D and even in the field it was adequate with the exception of when you had animals around and could not afford movements needed to adjust it. I ended up missing some shot opportunities that I would have been able to take using fixed pins. I now use a Spot Hogg SDP.
I used to use a Tru-Glo 5 pin, but am trying out the King Cobra Single pin slider this year. Not sure how I like it yet. Great for a set yardage, but worry about having to adjust in the heat of the moment.
I had zero issues with adjustments and maintenance with it. Good luck.
Post by: PA BEN on November 10, 2008, 06:15:51 AM
You know what, I think it's probably time to give old Hoytstaff a break. Here we have a post asking for info about sights and we, myself included, turned it into a pissin match about personal style. I don't think we want this site to go down the same path as MM. Hoyt, ya shoot at any of the southend shoots? Maybe we'll see ya around one and we can compare notes in person.Will this just killed a good discussion ;)
Coon
Post by: LongTatLaw on November 16, 2008, 11:42:33 AM
you know...back before the pissing contest :P
lol
Im looking for a 7 pin sight that has a actual tritium pin for the 20 yards
I was about to but the TRUGLO extreme 5 pin (they dont make a 7) when I saw on here that Spot Hogg makes a 7 pin with the tritium????
Anyone wanna comment on the tritium pin quality in very low light? last 5 minutes light?
any other 7 pin with tritium pin first??
and for the ethics police...just know I want it to shoot way way after legal shooting hours and Im gonna shoot at elk 90 yards out.....
Soooo whats there to bitch about when Ive already accused myself...lol
ok...smart_ss comments aside...Id love advice...Im leaning toward the spot hogg but would like to know options if they exist.
all I can do from iraq is shop for next seasons gear...lol
Thanks
dave
Post by: LongTatLaw on November 16, 2008, 12:18:57 PM
have any of you Spot Hog guys ever used the magification lens's? seems like it could make things very interesting! WOULD THAT VIOLATE ARCHERY REGS???? :dunno:
Post by: coonhound on November 16, 2008, 02:44:30 PM
Also,
have any of you Spot Hog guys ever used the magification lens's? seems like it could make things very interesting! WOULD THAT VIOLATE ARCHERY REGS???? :dunno:
On pg 67 of the regs it states that no scopes or visual aids are to be used unless you have a special permit for visual impairment.
Coon
Post by: LongTatLaw on November 17, 2008, 05:02:04 AM
may get it any way to use in the other 5 or 6 states I hunt...
hey where the hell can you buy (without special ordering) a 7 pin spott hogg with a tritium 20 yard pin?
Not cabelas?
where? :IBCOOL:
Post by: JBar on November 17, 2008, 05:10:25 AM
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