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Title: Kokanee thread
Post by: Alchase on June 14, 2013, 04:09:08 PM
Ok, I figure we have salmon, stealhead, bottomfish, we needed a Kokanee thread  :hello:
I know Kokanee are landlocked Sockey salmon, but fishing for Kokanee is kind of unique,  and almost trout like, so here goes.
I have read many articles, blogs, forums about fishing for Kokanee and I was curious what rigs and techniques you guys have the most luck with.
Some say use a dropper weight then a dodger followed by with a 2' to 3' leader. Others say a 8" to 10" leader only, so the wobble of the dodger gives the lure or bait more side to side action.
They all seem to agree, shoe peg white corn is the bomb, lol. But one old timer who introduced my to Kokanee fishing swore by leaded line, 1 oz banana weight, flasher, followed by wedding ring with Not shoe peg corn  :yike: but maggots! I have to admit we caught our 26 fish each limit at dorshack Dam Idaho in just a couple hours. This was in 1990, LOL

So what setup do you guys use for Kokes?

Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Ridgeratt on June 14, 2013, 07:20:31 PM
Nite fishing for them is going to take off in the next week or two.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: addicted2hunting on June 14, 2013, 08:08:29 PM
i fish a dodger with about 2ft leader to a wedding ring with the stinger hook and I use the berkley maggots and fire corn. run a stiffer leader for more action off the dodger much like sockeye fishing. troll slow bout .5 to 1 mph.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: cohoho on June 14, 2013, 09:46:37 PM
To all of you that fish for Kokanee regularly, I have plenty of pace on boat if you want to show me the stuff for them.. Sorry Alchase didn't mean to block , but hey your welcome to come along as I am beginning to drift away from sturgeon and need another fish to target.. 
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: madmack76 on June 14, 2013, 10:01:31 PM
yep wedding rings work great I use red in the morning and green in the evening don't know why it works that way but it always work that and the other fish love them too
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Ridgeratt on June 15, 2013, 08:47:39 AM
You're the wrong side of the hill for me to help. :sry:
Cohoho
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: ribka on June 15, 2013, 08:50:57 AM
To all of you that fish for Kokanee regularly, I have plenty of pace on boat if you want to show me the stuff for them.. Sorry Alchase didn't mean to block , but hey your welcome to come along as I am beginning to drift away from sturgeon and need another fish to target..

If you come over to the E side can take you out. Not an expert but learned a few tips from a very seasoned buddy
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Kc_Kracker on June 15, 2013, 11:14:45 AM
the best koke gear around is made by Toni, you can find her on facebook "Wannafishalure" and her gear behind a mini DK dodger is lethal on them kokes  :tup:
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: wheels on June 15, 2013, 04:22:26 PM
salad shrimp and  corn worm sometimes little bit of lead  i just fish the bridge where the  cowlitz dumps into ryfy lake  i have fish on boat but better luck on bridge
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Elkrunner on June 15, 2013, 07:03:53 PM
Tom, where ya been catching them?
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Alchase on June 18, 2013, 12:28:24 PM
the best koke gear around is made by Toni, you can find her on facebook "Wannafishalure" and her gear behind a mini DK dodger is lethal on them kokes  :tup:

Would you have a non-facebook linky?
LOL

,
To all of you that fish for Kokanee regularly, I have plenty of pace on boat if you want to show me the stuff for them.. Sorry Alchase didn't mean to block , but hey your welcome to come along as I am beginning to drift away from sturgeon and need another fish to target.. 

Cohoho, not a problem at all,
I have also caught the silver bug from Riffe Lake along with kokanee.
Silvers 18-20" long sure taste amazing.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: WSU on June 18, 2013, 12:39:11 PM
The keys are depth and going slow.  A lot of the time you will find them 30, 45, or more feet down, especially as it gets later in the summer.  That can be tough to get to without the proper gear.

In general, dodgers, pop gear, etc. will work.  Wedding rings and corn seem to be the tried and true.  Other scents are worth trying, and there are now a few on the market that are geared directly at kokanee.  But, in general, the toughest part is being in the fish and making sure you are going slow.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Kc_Kracker on June 18, 2013, 02:33:51 PM
alchase, sorry man i wasnt thinking http://www.wannafishalure.com/ (http://www.wannafishalure.com/)   
or https://www.facebook.com/wannafish.alure?ref=ts&fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/wannafish.alure?ref=ts&fref=ts)

  her name is Toni shes very sweet :)  shes in graham
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Kc_Kracker on June 18, 2013, 02:36:03 PM
i sent her a link, im sure she will register and say hi :)
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Wannafish Toni on June 18, 2013, 07:45:54 PM
KC Kracker gave me this link.

Yes, I am a koke head. I caught 5 yesterday and brought 3 home. Went after them today and brought 5 home. We will see what tomorrow brings.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: cougkilr on June 18, 2013, 07:59:28 PM
Here's a few from Riffe lake from a few years back, we were fishing from the fishing bridge using salad shrimp. It took less than an hour to get these ones.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Alchase on June 19, 2013, 12:38:19 PM
alchase, sorry man i wasnt thinking http://www.wannafishalure.com/ (http://www.wannafishalure.com/)   
or https://www.facebook.com/wannafish.alure?ref=ts&fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/wannafish.alure?ref=ts&fref=ts)

  her name is Toni shes very sweet :)  shes in graham

That is awesome, thanks!
I saw that page yesterday while googling around all kokanee sights. Had no clue she was in my backyard, LOL

Have you have any luck with any of her lures?

Her "Pretty in Pink Kokanee" and "Squiddly Thang Pink" look exactly like what I am looking for.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Smossy on June 19, 2013, 12:46:03 PM
Any kokanee from shore?
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Alchase on June 19, 2013, 12:47:41 PM
Any kokanee from shore?

Alder, close to the dam. My son and his friends go down there often.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Alchase on June 19, 2013, 12:51:31 PM
Do any of you Jig for Kokanee? If so what do you use?

I am really curious if this is as productive as trolling.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Smossy on June 19, 2013, 12:54:02 PM
Any kokanee from shore?

Alder, close to the dam. My son and his friends go down there often.
Gonna have to try it, Im closer to alder than you are :chuckle: What kind of gear and tackle are they using?
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Alchase on June 19, 2013, 01:03:06 PM
They use slip bobber with nightcrawlers, with the stop about 10 -15 ft up the line.
Also rooster tails with a corn or maggot teaser, though most come from the bobber set up. They do not get allot of fish, usually enough for a meal.

I know Clear Lake also has allot of kokanee, I do not know if there is a shore access fishing area though.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Smossy on June 19, 2013, 01:09:32 PM
They use slip bobber with nightcrawlers, with the stop about 10 -15 ft up the line.
Also rooster tails with a corn or maggot teaser, though most come from the bobber set up. They do not get allot of fish, usually enough for a meal.

I know Clear Lake also has allot of kokanee, I do not know if there is a shore access fishing area though.
Cool Ill have to give the slip bobber style a try.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Alchase on June 19, 2013, 02:01:01 PM
You can also try Berkley Power maggots with the same setup
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: lucky33 on June 20, 2013, 04:44:35 PM
Ive been hammering them at  loon lake on the eastside of the state at nite.  A red bluefox spinner with the treble removed, followed by a 18'' lead and red glow hook, and pink maggots.  Fishing 30' of water at the bottom and we cant keep the line in the water!!!   Ive never had much luck with them, but night time is the right time.  My lovely wife  :drool:and  two floaty lites made for one of the best fishing outings ive ever had.  Some of them went 17'' which was just almost entirely too much fun.  When hooked they rocket off the bottom and crash headlong into the bottom of the boat, and it doesnt even daze them.  They are quite amazing fish  :tup: :tup: We caught almost 100 fish in 5 hours of fishing, over three nights and hooked and lost many more.   Kick on the lights and they come in herds,  you can watch them swimming below chowing on all the tiny critters attracted to the lights.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Alchase on June 20, 2013, 07:19:41 PM
Night fishing for Kokes would be a blast!!
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Stump on June 20, 2013, 07:29:04 PM
Alder or Rife trolling 1/2 yd gear, 3' line then orange or green wedding ring, but the kokanee killer works best. If still fishing off the bottom worm, micro wave shrimp or green power bait with the gold flake in it, must be Berkleys. The fish are bait snobs. Been fishing both for 30 years. The fish smoke up real good.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: snocohunter on June 21, 2013, 03:55:13 AM
I was fishing lake Stevens pretty regular for them, had another thread going. Been meaning to order a bunch of stuff from Toni to try. I really like red, orange and green wedding ring with double pink gamakatsu number 4 hooks, 20# leader 6-10" long fishing on the DR. I've had the most success with corn soaked in tuna oil and dicks DNA scent overnight, or anise and tuna. I know mallard79 uses herring and garlic scents with good success too. I haven't fished but once since our baby was born but hope to get out some more. Still have steelhead, sockeye, and humpies to chase too though.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: SMASHLEY777 on June 24, 2013, 03:05:55 PM
We went night fishing and the best thing that worked for us was a cherry bomber with a foot leader(glow hook) and maggots on the glow hook. Corn worked for a bit but i think it backs em up pretty bad. but we were fishing about five feet off the bottom slow jigging. they bite light tho so you really have to be paying attention  ;)
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: SMASHLEY777 on June 24, 2013, 03:07:04 PM
the best koke gear around is made by Toni, you can find her on facebook "Wannafishalure" and her gear behind a mini DK dodger is lethal on them kokes  :tup:

ill have to check that out ASAP! thanks!
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: h20hunter on June 24, 2013, 03:09:13 PM
Anyone still fishing Lake Stevens?
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: SMASHLEY777 on June 24, 2013, 03:10:56 PM
Ive been hammering them at  loon lake on the eastside of the state at nite.  A red bluefox spinner with the treble removed, followed by a 18'' lead and red glow hook, and pink maggots.  Fishing 30' of water at the bottom and we cant keep the line in the water!!!   Ive never had much luck with them, but night time is the right time.  My lovely wife  :drool:and  two floaty lites made for one of the best fishing outings ive ever had.  Some of them went 17'' which was just almost entirely too much fun.  When hooked they rocket off the bottom and crash headlong into the bottom of the boat, and it doesnt even daze them.  They are quite amazing fish  :tup: :tup: We caught almost 100 fish in 5 hours of fishing, over three nights and hooked and lost many more.   Kick on the lights and they come in herds,  you can watch them swimming below chowing on all the tiny critters attracted to the lights.

hey! i didnt see you already put this one here lol! i called em cherry bombers i didntknow they were called red bluefox.. :dunno: guess im still a beginner eh honey?  ;)
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Alchase on June 24, 2013, 08:31:21 PM
My son and I went back to Riffe again on Saturday morning. Wind made it a little interesting trolling, and did not see allot of action between 8:00 and 10:00 near the dam. So we pulled up and ran down to just east of were swifford pond comes in. Worked the rock line and started to hook up. Picked up one at 22" three more in 12" - 16" range all silvers. The 22 incher made 3 great jumps like a respectable silver should. We had to be off the water by 1:00, and bite seemed to be just strating up.  I really hate leaving the water when the bite is on, LOL.
Got a little sun burned, and some great looking fish on the first day of summer.  :tup:
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: snocohunter on June 30, 2013, 07:53:00 AM
Anyone still fishing Lake Stevens?

I talked to greg last week he said morning limits are common...
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Fishnclifff on June 30, 2013, 06:17:42 PM
Fished Yale Res. today with the wife.
We boated 14, lost 3 times as many.
Gonna tie up double hooks and try that.

How much leader do you run for a wedding ring, off of a lake troll or cow bells?
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Alchase on July 01, 2013, 07:26:53 AM
Fished Yale Res. today with the wife.
We boated 14, lost 3 times as many.
Gonna tie up double hooks and try that.

How much leader do you run for a wedding ring, off of a lake troll or cow bells?

Depends on what my lure is.
If running a wedding ring or other lure that has its own blade or action, I use the the standard length that comes with them or 24" to 36".

If I am running teaser or hoochie I run them 12" 18" behind the dodger do the dodger's side to side motion moves the hoochie back and forth real well.

I troll as slow as possible, my 15 hp 4 stroke yamaha will idle down to about 0.5 mph.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Alchase on July 01, 2013, 08:15:24 AM
There are a few Kokanee blogs that recommend a little different then what I do.
 
For lures without action or spinner the leader should be 2 1/2 times the length of the dodger.
For lures that have there own action, the leader should be 4 times the length of the dodger.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Fishnclifff on July 01, 2013, 07:27:28 PM
Thanx.
I use my electric motor. Had it on slowest speed all day. Shut it off when the wind picked up. Worked well.

Funny addition--   When GI Joes went down, I picked up some ambassador knockoffs - cheap. I went to Fishermans and picked up 2, 7ft rods- cheap.
When the boat broke I quit boat fishing and haven't been able to find those rods. :'(
I broke a rod sunday and started looking through my collection for a replacement, and found the missing rods :IBCOOL:
My wife said -- get this" maybe you have too many rods" :yike:

I was like,  whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat ?  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Alchase on July 02, 2013, 12:31:36 PM

My wife said -- get this" maybe you have too many rods" :yike:

I was like,  whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat ?  :chuckle:

Sacrilege!

Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: widebear on July 02, 2013, 04:54:45 PM
Lake Roosevelt Kok's are hot right now. 15" to 25". Lots of 3 to 4 pounders. Very few clipped fish so limit usually only 2 fish. But their nice!
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: xd2005 on July 02, 2013, 05:37:39 PM
Man I need a new boat!  :'(

You use downriggers for kokes too, huh?
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: bowhunterforever on July 03, 2013, 05:20:52 PM
Lake Roosevelt Kok's are hot right now. 15" to 25". Lots of 3 to 4 pounders. Very few clipped fish so limit usually only 2 fish. But their nice!
How are you catching them and where? Tried down by whitestone yesterday and only caught a few trout.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Alchase on July 05, 2013, 11:31:27 AM
The wife and I hit Alder on the 4th. We got on the water around noon, motored over to the dam.
Using 1 oz weight followed by a UV flasher with snubber, then wedding ring. I baited up my wife's top hook with three pink power bait maggots and the trailer hook with shoo-peg corn soaked in scent. Told her to go out 50 pulls.
I started baiting my rig, when she gets hit on pull 29, LOL.
One hit one fish in the boat, total wet time less then 3 minutes. Starting out nicely  :chuckle:

After an hour and a half, she has three on the stringer, I have one.  :o
We have missed twice that many and were are using gamakatsu reds  :dunno:

I had one huge Koke on, got it all the way to the boat and he throws the hook about 4 ft from me, then just sits there taunting me. I try and scoop him up with the net and almost got him, but that wakes him up and he takes off with a splash.
As I am bringing my rig over to re-bait, the swivel attached to the weight and every thing else, decides to let everything go to the bottom.  :bash:

I re-rig using a pink hoochie and I am back to catching fish.
We pickup and run over to the "No Wake Zone" behind the logs to get away from the idiots inner tubing.

I guess idiots can't read, half of the boats coming in the no wake zone were doing 20 + MPH. Where are the water cops when you need then.

We fished until we limited, then headed home.

Oh ya, I did a little experimenting with various lengths of leader and with or without scent (shoe-peg soaked in scent).
We had probably twice the amount of bites when our leaders were shortened to the 12" to 18" length behind the flasher then with the standard (out of the package length) and no twisted tangles.
We also had noticeably more hits using the shoe-peg with scent. It only takes one or two kernels on the trailer to make a difference.

I also learned a good lesson the hard way.
Do not put the scent on you shoe-peg corn until the day you need it. I put the scent on last weekend, for the trip to Riffe. By yesterday most of the corn was mush and would not stay on the hook.

A great day of fishing, even if we lost twice as many as we caught, but that is Kokanee fishing.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Ridgeratt on July 07, 2013, 08:14:52 AM
Well hit loon last nite. It was the proverbial fishing for "Ghost's". Fished from about 8:30 till 2. We picked up 20 but most of the boats around seemed to draw a blank. Had several folks move closer to perhaps catch them.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: mallard79 on July 07, 2013, 11:37:33 AM
When using corn...we use it a max of 3 days after we open the can whether it gets soaked in scent or not......just like anything else it goes bad....and lets be honest...it's not that expensive as long as you buy it from the grocery store instead of the tackle shops.....  :tup:
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Alchase on July 08, 2013, 08:44:15 AM
I smoked up a batch of kokanee and silvers Saturday, they turned out great.
We went back to Alder yesterday and caught 9 more kokanee. Had one on that was pulling line like crazy but lost it. I caught a 6 incher that was barely hooked, so I returned him to the water. It was about 5 feet from the boat when an Eagle dove in with a splash and snagged the fish! That was awesome!

I have to rant though, So many boaters on Alder lake are totally inconsiderate to those around them.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: widebear on July 08, 2013, 09:43:44 AM
Lake Roosevelt Kok's are hot right now. 15" to 25". Lots of 3 to 4 pounders. Very few clipped fish so limit usually only 2 fish. But their nice!
How are you catching them and where? Tried down by whitestone yesterday and only caught a few trout.

You are close. Goat Farm just mile down river res side. Apex pink/ white tipped with corn. They are all depths. Mark them and go there.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: mallard79 on July 20, 2013, 12:59:03 PM
Lake Stevens is still producing.... took a buddy from work today who has only fished Lake Keechelus for them. He was shocked to see the size of the fish we were getting (the fish in Keechelus are over populated and stunted....an 8"er is a good fish up there) we ended up with a dozen keepers in the 12 to 14" range and a big one at just over 3lbs! Lost and missed quite a few and released a handfull of dinks. Saw a decent number of boats but wasn't seeing too many nets coming out. Seemed like most were trolling too fast.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Alchase on July 22, 2013, 09:36:30 AM
We hit up Riffe for Silvers on Saturday. I was putting them in a bucket by my motor, had a nice 22 incher jump out of the bucket! Luckily he landed back in the boat. We were keeping a close count on how many fish we had so we would head home with our limits. I counted ten fish (My son and I) so we stowed our gear and headed to the dock. My son takes the fish to the cleaning station while I store our gear and tie down the boat. I head to the cleaning station and look at the fish, there are only 8 fish? I ask what happened to the other two, he says there were only eight in the bucket. Since were both checked the bucket had ten fish, the only possible outcome was they jumped out like the other fish, but they made it over the side of the boat, LOL

Silvers acting like the flying carp in the Mississippi, who would of thought
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Alchase on July 22, 2013, 09:49:32 AM
We also went to Alder Lake on Sunday for Kokanee.
Finally got my new Garmin echo 200 up and running! Nice to have a functional fish finder again. We had a slow day, lots of hits, only 13 boated. One over 20 inches, and my son had one on that was huge but it through the hook at the boat.
My wife forgot to set the free spool lever on the real she was using. I was re-rigging my line and I happen to look up in time to see the tail end of her line go flying off her real  :yike:
I through it in reverse and was able to grab the line before it disappeared. I reattached the line and handed it back to her to real in. She had a fish on that had helped pull the line off the real. LOL 

 We watched the Osprey dive in for a fish, then an eagle come down and took the fish away! That was like watching a dragster chasing a miata. The eagle was incredibly fast, but the osprey could corner like crazy.

What a beautiful day to be on the water!
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Smossy on July 22, 2013, 12:49:45 PM
We also went to Alder Lake on Sunday for Kokanee.
Finally got my new Garmin echo 200 up and running! Nice to have a functional fish finder again. We had a slow day, lots of hits, only 13 boated. One over 20 inches, and my son had one on that was huge but it through the hook at the boat.
My wife forgot to set the free spool lever on the real she was using. I was re-rigging my line and I happen to look up in time to see the tail end of her line go flying off her real  :yike:
I through it in reverse and was able to grab the line before it disappeared. I reattached the line and handed it back to her to real in. She had a fish on that had helped pull the line off the real. LOL 

 We watched the Osprey dive in for a fish, then an eagle come down and took the fish away! That was like watching a dragster chasing a miata. The eagle was incredibly fast, but the osprey could corner like crazy.

What a beautiful day to be on the water!
That's funny, we were on the lake Sunday also :) We were on the dock's nailed a trout, cooked it on the spot, continued to fish while eating fish, Doesn't get fresher then that.
Title: Re: Kokanee thread
Post by: Alchase on July 23, 2013, 10:44:50 AM
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