Post by: Fishaholic on June 22, 2013, 10:17:32 AM
thanks
ddjj
Post by: Bullkllr on June 22, 2013, 10:40:56 AM
So when fishing with corkys can you use a 3 way swivle and a 6 inch line leading to a weight like plunking but with a corky and yarn or do I use a swivle and a weight connected to the swivle and then have a leader with yarn and corky?
thanks
ddjj
a 6" dropper on the weight would only tangle when trying to drift. short dropper, maybe a couple inches might be ok. here are some info links. some have diagrams you may find useful. most guys hook weight right to swivel.
http://www.steelheaduniversity.com/basicdriftfishing051.html (http://www.steelheaduniversity.com/basicdriftfishing051.html) good info on drift basics
http://www.steelheaduniversity.com/side-drifting.htm (http://www.steelheaduniversity.com/side-drifting.htm) rigs in diagrams are same as most use for drift set-up
http://www.steelheaduniversity.com/education_index.html (http://www.steelheaduniversity.com/education_index.html) good site for general info
http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com/resourcecenter/driftfishing.htm (http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com/resourcecenter/driftfishing.htm) great write up on drift fishing
http://www.steelheader.net/steelhead/driftfishing.htm (http://www.steelheader.net/steelhead/driftfishing.htm) nice diagram- swivel can be tied solid or as slider as shown
Post by: Fishaholic on June 22, 2013, 10:53:32 AM
Post by: h2ofowlr on June 22, 2013, 12:38:44 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on June 22, 2013, 12:42:32 PM
A Washougal fly may work for you. :o
Yes, but I wasn't going to suggest that... ;) :chuckle:
Post by: Smossy on June 22, 2013, 12:45:24 PM
So when fishing with corkys can you use a 3 way swivle and a 6 inch line leading to a weight like plunking but with a corky and yarn or do I use a swivle and a weight connected to the swivle and then have a leader with yarn and corky?I wouldnt do it. Personally id just tie on a snap swivel from circle eye to circle eye and let the snap hang freely. Then take the hollow lead weight and punch a hole through it with hole punch fishing pliers. Then simply stick the snap part that was hanging free through that hole. Good to go, caught up to 30lb fish that way. I only use 12-15lb mono leaders max. Usually maxima chamelion 15lb. Maxima is one of my favorite mono's personally. It has virtually no line memory and boy is it tough, alittle pricey though. Come out this way when the salmon run and ill show u some things if u want man. Pink season makes for great practice.
thanks
ddjj
Post by: Smossy on June 22, 2013, 12:48:18 PM
Not sure what that is, we used to use this thing called the satsop fly at the satsop river a few years ago. Just take a normal barbless 2/0 hook I think it is, or whatever size hook you prefer, and wrap it with a pipe cleaner, darker colors worked better, the water was so crystal clear u had to sneak up on them. Pipe cleaner gave just the perfect amount of bouyancy to coast underwater but not completely float. Slayyyed em on that setup.A Washougal fly may work for you. :o
Yes, but I wasn't going to suggest that... ;) :chuckle:
Post by: BigGoonTuna on June 22, 2013, 09:57:48 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on June 22, 2013, 10:05:59 PM
if that post wasn't a troll, i'm at a loss for words...:chuckle:
Post by: Smossy on June 23, 2013, 12:02:27 AM
Post by: Fishaholic on June 23, 2013, 12:36:03 AM
Post by: Smossy on June 23, 2013, 12:44:46 AM
should I use yarn with the corky or not? If so what colors work well.It helps it float alittle better and helps hold scents if you have scent stuff. Usually some shrimp flavored goo all over the yarn, then whatever color corky. :dunno: thats what I do. Or just yarn and a corky with youe hook. Good to go. I keep it simple.
Post by: Bullkllr on June 23, 2013, 06:59:16 AM
?? I dont even know what a troll is.
Troll (from Urban Dictionary):
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
The post was a reference to a rig commonly used for snagging salmon in rivers in SW Washington.
Post by: Smossy on June 23, 2013, 12:38:14 PM
Hm, Interesting.. What rig is that??? I dont even know what a troll is.
Troll (from Urban Dictionary):
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
The post was a reference to a rig commonly used for snagging salmon in rivers in SW Washington.
Post by: Bullkllr on June 23, 2013, 12:46:51 PM
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Hm, Interesting.. What rig is that?
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Think Ill be pleadin' the 5th on that one...
...But, from what I have heard, it involves tying a corkie behind the hook on the tag from the bumper knot, so the hook floats point down with nothing between it and any... It is illegal. Law states hook must be attached to or behind lure, not lure behind hook.
Post by: Smossy on June 23, 2013, 02:02:48 PM
Hm, Interesting.. What rig is that?lol never heard of that, not even sure I can put together what you mean.
Think Ill be pleadin' the 5th on that one...
...But, from what I have heard, it involves tying a corkie behind the hook on the tag from the bumper knot, so the hook floats point down with nothing between it and any... It is illegal. Law states hook must be attached to or behind lure, not lure behind hook.
Post by: fastdam on June 23, 2013, 02:09:20 PM
Post by: Smossy on June 23, 2013, 02:37:01 PM
I dont get it either Smossy. Is he implicating that its illegal to place a corky above your hook?...lolNo Its a hook, infront of your corky. Like your line, a hook, then corky at the end.... Im not even seeing how that is possible or would even work?
Post by: dr.derek on June 23, 2013, 02:51:05 PM
Post by: Smossy on June 23, 2013, 03:21:09 PM
I have never heard of someone Plunking with corky and yarn.He means with a plunking style setup. 3 way hookup with a leader on the bottom holding your weight instead of directly attached to the line/swivel
Post by: 270Flat on June 23, 2013, 04:56:04 PM
We always used lighter line connecting the weight. So if you get hung up on the bottom you could bust it free, and keep most of your gear.
For low clear water a long leader, small corky or spin and glow and a dime size piece of roe. If the water was flowing good and had color we would shorten the leader, use a bigger hook and go with a large spin and glow. Topped of with a healthy chunk of roe or sandshrimp.
You can pick up the spreaders at any sporting goods store. They look like "L's" and come in different gauges of wire.
Good fishing!!
We even had success with light spoons behind the spreader as well.
Post by: Bullkllr on June 23, 2013, 06:09:09 PM
I dont get it either Smossy. Is he implicating that its illegal to place a corky above your hook?...lol
Sorry if my post was unclear. It is illegal to place a corky below your hook. Some enterprisizing snaggers in SW Wash. figured out a way to "plunk" (hold the rod, but not drift) with their weight basically set on the bottom, a leader with a corky (usually black) tied behind a good sized hook. By behind I mean actually behind- like where you put your yarn. The corky was tied behind the hook on an extra tag from the standard bumper knot so it rode about 2 inches behind the hook. Any salmon bumping the leader could be quickly impaled (don't try this at home). Common on the Washougal and other rivers (with some variations), hence, "Washougal fly".
It actually resulted in an official rule change several years ago (from regs):
Anti-Snagging Rule:
"Except when fishing with a buoyant lure (with no weights added to the line or lure), or trolling from a vessel or floating device, terminal fishing gear is restricted to a lure or bait with one single-point hook. Hooks must measure 3⁄4" or less from point to shank, and must be attached to or below the lure or bait. Weights may not be attached below or less than 12" above the lure or bait."
Post by: Smossy on June 23, 2013, 07:13:35 PM
Ohh, must be why someone said something about my satsop fly... its no modificationx like that, typical drift fishing setup but with no *yarn and just pipe cleaner wrapped from the eye of the hook down the shaft untill the bend starts, then thats where u end the pipe cleaner. It helps it float more horizontal in the water instead of more the 90 degree style with a standard corky. It gives it enough bouyancy to not want to float completely but not want to sink either.I dont get it either Smossy. Is he implicating that its illegal to place a corky above your hook?...lol
Sorry if my post was unclear. It is illegal to place a corky below your hook. Some enterprisizing snaggers in SW Wash. figured out a way to "plunk" (hold the rod, but not drift) with their weight basically set on the bottom, a leader with a corky (usually black) tied behind a good sized hook. By behind I mean actually behind- like where you put your yarn. The corky was tied behind the hook on an extra tag from the standard bumper knot so it rode about 2 inches behind the hook. Any salmon bumping the leader could be quickly impaled (don't try this at home). Common on the Washougal and other rivers (with some variations), hence, "Washougal fly".
It actually resulted in an official rule change several years ago (from regs):
Anti-Snagging Rule:
"Except when fishing with a buoyant lure (with no weights added to the line or lure), or trolling from a vessel or floating device, terminal fishing gear is restricted to a lure or bait with one single-point hook. Hooks must measure 3⁄4" or less from point to shank, and must be attached to or below the lure or bait. Weights may not be attached below or less than 12" above the lure or bait."
Post by: WSU on June 24, 2013, 09:55:44 AM
if that post wasn't a troll, i'm at a loss for words...:chuckle:
Just make sure you tie the corky below the hook.....
Post by: fastdam on June 24, 2013, 05:24:54 PM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on June 24, 2013, 06:51:11 PM
to answer the original question, you're better off plunking a spin-glo or plug of some kind, usually with bait(spin-glo and eggs is dynamite for kings and silvers). easiest way is to set it up with a snap swivel and pyramid sinker on the bottom, then put a swivel at the depth you'd like to fish, and a large bead on top of it. cast that out at a downstream angle, then take your leader(with a good snap like a duolock)and clip it on the mainline. it will slide down and stop at the bead. this keeps you from ending up with a tangled mess when casting. then sit back, crack open a cold one and wait for that rod to bury!
Post by: Bullkllr on June 24, 2013, 09:31:01 PM
Ok. I get it. I have never heard of putting the corky after the hook. I assume it is legal still on a double hook set up with the corky in the middle.
Not if the "anti-snagging rule" is in place (many rivers during salmon season it is). Then you can only use a single.
Post by: Smossy on June 25, 2013, 12:12:03 AM
ok, i'll explain to those that didn't get it. that type of rig is very popular with the snagger/flosser crowd in places like the s-curves on the satsop, skokomish, nisqually, humptulips kalama etc. big hook, with some minimal kind of "attractant" to give them a chance of defending themselves when accused of snagging by a game warden("i swear i'm getting bit 4 times every drift, that's why i'm setting the hook so much!")Ohhh, no wonder there are so many haters on the Satsop. I fish the S-curves also. Had a dude threaten to kill me one day saying "Its illegal to fish this water, This is my land, don't step foot on it again or ill kill your...." I was like wtf? Yeah maybe on the OTHER side of the river its your land. Ive never seen that setup out there though but maybe that's why everyone keeps they're distance... I've nailed some good fish there about 2 years ago.. I never really fish with scent though. :dunno: Maybe what I was doing back then was not legal? Drifting with just a corky?
to answer the original question, you're better off plunking a spin-glo or plug of some kind, usually with bait(spin-glo and eggs is dynamite for kings and silvers). easiest way is to set it up with a snap swivel and pyramid sinker on the bottom, then put a swivel at the depth you'd like to fish, and a large bead on top of it. cast that out at a downstream angle, then take your leader(with a good snap like a duolock)and clip it on the mainline. it will slide down and stop at the bead. this keeps you from ending up with a tangled mess when casting. then sit back, crack open a cold one and wait for that rod to bury!
Post by: WSU on June 25, 2013, 06:44:37 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on June 25, 2013, 08:25:43 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 08:44:35 AM
ok, i'll explain to those that didn't get it. that type of rig is very popular with the snagger/flosser crowd in places like the s-curves on the satsop, skokomish, nisqually, humptulips kalama etc. big hook, with some minimal kind of "attractant" to give them a chance of defending themselves when accused of snagging by a game warden("i swear i'm getting bit 4 times every drift, that's why i'm setting the hook so much!")Wow ...This thread made me dizzy :dunno: :chuckle: This happens all over the state :dunno: :chuckle: I prefer to catch them by the mouth ...but their lies another problem ...when the professional ( FLOSSER) catches them he usually gets them threw the mouth ...usually done in shallow water where the fish swims threw the line and gets it caught in his mouth ...I know of one river where they will have to be using a Circle Hook this year So it helps prevent the jiggers from cleaning out the river :chuckle: :chuckle: Can not wait to witness this :yeah: :chuckle: :chuckle:
to answer the original question, you're better off plunking a spin-glo or plug of some kind, usually with bait(spin-glo and eggs is dynamite for kings and silvers). easiest way is to set it up with a snap swivel and pyramid sinker on the bottom, then put a swivel at the depth you'd like to fish, and a large bead on top of it. cast that out at a downstream angle, then take your leader(with a good snap like a duolock)and clip it on the mainline. it will slide down and stop at the bead. this keeps you from ending up with a tangled mess when casting. then sit back, crack open a cold one and wait for that rod to bury!
Post by: xd2005 on June 25, 2013, 09:07:20 AM
ok, i'll explain to those that didn't get it. that type of rig is very popular with the snagger/flosser crowd in places like the s-curves on the satsop, skokomish, nisqually, humptulips kalama etc. big hook, with some minimal kind of "attractant" to give them a chance of defending themselves when accused of snagging by a game warden("i swear i'm getting bit 4 times every drift, that's why i'm setting the hook so much!")Wow ...This thread made me dizzy :dunno: :chuckle: This happens all over the state :dunno: :chuckle: I prefer to catch them by the mouth ...but their lies another problem ...when the professional ( FLOSSER) catches them he usually gets them threw the mouth ...usually done in shallow water where the fish swims threw the line and gets it caught in his mouth ...I know of one river where they will have to be using a Circle Hook this year So it helps prevent the jiggers from cleaning out the river :chuckle: :chuckle: Can not wait to witness this :yeah: :chuckle: :chuckle:
to answer the original question, you're better off plunking a spin-glo or plug of some kind, usually with bait(spin-glo and eggs is dynamite for kings and silvers). easiest way is to set it up with a snap swivel and pyramid sinker on the bottom, then put a swivel at the depth you'd like to fish, and a large bead on top of it. cast that out at a downstream angle, then take your leader(with a good snap like a duolock)and clip it on the mainline. it will slide down and stop at the bead. this keeps you from ending up with a tangled mess when casting. then sit back, crack open a cold one and wait for that rod to bury!
Please tell me they changed the Quil!
Post by: snowpack on June 25, 2013, 11:33:28 AM
Please tell me they changed the Quil!If we're thinking of the same Quil (Quilcene) it is single barbless and have to be hooked inside the mouth. But it typically isn't the sporties that are usually dragging rows of treble hooks, and filling up kid pools in the back of trucks with snagged fish.
Post by: Smossy on June 25, 2013, 12:03:04 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on June 25, 2013, 01:07:46 PM
How else would you fish for them besides floating eggs then? 99% of the people on all rivers use corky/yarn...? Im confused.
The implication there is that most salmon caught on straight corky or corky/yarn are flossed or lined as it used to be known. For the most I agree. But we'll never really know.
On a river like the Puyallup, where there is basically zero visibility at times, it may be the most productive method, and I do not consider it non-sporting at all. The main variable that increases hook-ups is leader length.
In clearer water there are far more effective methods when salmon are non-disturbed: bait,spoons, spinners, jigs. If you get away from masses of people, you will do better with those methods.
Skok fish bite well, but are hard to find un-disturbed (hence the reliance on flossing). Nisqually kings are notorious non- biters. I'd feel lucky if I flossed one.
Post by: Fishaholic on June 25, 2013, 01:17:00 PM
Not saying that Im going to use it but I may. Im not sure how I feel about it untell iI have tryed it.
Post by: Smossy on June 25, 2013, 01:17:25 PM
Nisqually is mostly where I fish. Thanks for clearing that up. Made me think I was a snagger or something? I floss for the mouth, If its not in the mouth obviously it goes back in the water... I thought that's just how it worked. You can snag fish while "thinking to get a bump and snagging a neighbor fish". Which like I said obviously would go back in the water. This is just how I learned to fish and how I've seen 99% of the other people on the river fish. Occasionally you'll see the braided line here and there and to me that's unethical unless floating eggs.How else would you fish for them besides floating eggs then? 99% of the people on all rivers use corky/yarn...? Im confused.
The implication there is that most salmon caught on straight corky or corky/yarn are flossed or lined as it used to be known. For the most I agree. But we'll never really know.
On a river like the Puyallup, where there is basically zero visibility at times, it may be the most productive method, and I do not consider it non-sporting at all. The main variable that increases hook-ups is leader length.
In clearer water there are far more effective methods when salmon are non-disturbed: bait,spoons, spinners, jigs. If you get away from masses of people, you will do better with those methods.
Skok fish bite well, but are hard to find un-disturbed (hence the reliance on flossing). Nisqually kings are notorious non- biters. I'd feel lucky if I flossed one.
Ill admit though, Ive never tried spoons or anything like that in the more clear water like the satsop. I don't know much about them.
Post by: Smossy on June 25, 2013, 01:19:24 PM
So to floss I need a long leader 3 to 6 feet and a corky? Do I drift half way threw a hole and "set the hook"?Well what I do, not saying its the right way I guess. Ill wait untill I feel a good tug on my line then return with a small jerk back. If you have a longer pole like a 10 footer like I do you dont need to whip it half way across the sky to get a hookset. Gotta keep in mind, the longer the pole. The longer your sets will be, so the less you will need to work. A small yank will give you a good 3 foot set atleast.
Not saying that Im going to use it but I may. Im not sure how I feel about it untell iI have tryed it.
Post by: WSU on June 25, 2013, 01:24:03 PM
Post by: WSU on June 25, 2013, 01:26:01 PM
So to floss I need a long leader 3 to 6 feet and a corky? Do I drift half way threw a hole and "set the hook"?
Not saying that Im going to use it but I may. Im not sure how I feel about it untell iI have tryed it.
Don't floss. Learn to actually fish, not snag.
Post by: Mike450r on June 25, 2013, 01:33:13 PM
Post by: Smossy on June 25, 2013, 01:33:19 PM
Anyone who flosses is a snagger. It is that simple. If you aren't trying to get them to bite, then you must be trying to snag them without them biting. It doesn't matter it is in the head or the ass, you are a snagger.Guess Im a snagger then. Might want to stay away from me. :chuckle:
Post by: WSU on June 25, 2013, 01:40:01 PM
Anyone who flosses is a snagger. It is that simple. If you aren't trying to get them to bite, then you must be trying to snag them without them biting. It doesn't matter it is in the head or the ass, you are a snagger.Guess Im a snagger then. Might want to stay away from me. :chuckle:
Some people floss because they don't know better. Others floss when they know better but aren't good enough fisherman to make the fish bite. Which do you want to be?
Post by: Mike450r on June 25, 2013, 01:43:35 PM
Steelheading slobs really get me fired up though. Some things are just sacred.
Post by: Smossy on June 25, 2013, 01:44:53 PM
Im probably the first one being as I don't have friends or family to teach me. I've learned all from first hand knowledge and never found HW until Jan of this year. I've fished my whole life in lakes and ponds, but never chased salmon until 2011 when I found my love for the outdoors. Definitely learned alot though since then.Anyone who flosses is a snagger. It is that simple. If you aren't trying to get them to bite, then you must be trying to snag them without them biting. It doesn't matter it is in the head or the ass, you are a snagger.Guess Im a snagger then. Might want to stay away from me. :chuckle:
Some people floss because they don't know better. Others floss when they know better but aren't good enough fisherman to make the fish bite. Which do you want to be?
Post by: Mike450r on June 25, 2013, 01:47:37 PM
Im probably the first one being as I don't have friends or family to teach me. I've learned all from first hand knowledge and never found HW until Jan of this year. I've fished my whole life in lakes and ponds, but never chased salmon until 2011 when I found my love for the outdoors. Definitely learned alot though since then.Anyone who flosses is a snagger. It is that simple. If you aren't trying to get them to bite, then you must be trying to snag them without them biting. It doesn't matter it is in the head or the ass, you are a snagger.Guess Im a snagger then. Might want to stay away from me. :chuckle:
Some people floss because they don't know better. Others floss when they know better but aren't good enough fisherman to make the fish bite. Which do you want to be?
It's a method for sure, but you will get hooked if you try floating some jigs, or bait, herring, shrimp. Spoons, spinners are fun, definitely lots of fun to be had working harder for the fish
Post by: Smossy on June 25, 2013, 01:50:27 PM
Those seem impossible if your anywhere near people. I don't have a boat so I'm always in the rivers, and when the salmon are running, so are the flocks of people to every piece of open river side there is. Im not against those methods at all, but like I said I dont know much about them, size/shape/color/style/technique + problem with other people being around so thick u can barely cast.Im probably the first one being as I don't have friends or family to teach me. I've learned all from first hand knowledge and never found HW until Jan of this year. I've fished my whole life in lakes and ponds, but never chased salmon until 2011 when I found my love for the outdoors. Definitely learned alot though since then.Anyone who flosses is a snagger. It is that simple. If you aren't trying to get them to bite, then you must be trying to snag them without them biting. It doesn't matter it is in the head or the ass, you are a snagger.Guess Im a snagger then. Might want to stay away from me. :chuckle:
Some people floss because they don't know better. Others floss when they know better but aren't good enough fisherman to make the fish bite. Which do you want to be?
It's a method for sure, but you will get hooked if you try floating some jigs, or bait, herring, shrimp. Spoons, spinners are fun, definitely lots of fun to be had working harder for the fish
Post by: Mike450r on June 25, 2013, 01:52:51 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 01:53:35 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on June 25, 2013, 01:53:40 PM
Anyone who flosses is a snagger. It is that simple. If you aren't trying to get them to bite, then you must be trying to snag them without them biting. It doesn't matter it is in the head or the ass, you are a snagger.
The only problem with that theory is that it is sometimes impossible to decipher whether a fish was indeed trying to bite or was actually flossed.
Post by: WSU on June 25, 2013, 01:56:47 PM
Im probably the first one being as I don't have friends or family to teach me. I've learned all from first hand knowledge and never found HW until Jan of this year. I've fished my whole life in lakes and ponds, but never chased salmon until 2011 when I found my love for the outdoors. Definitely learned alot though since then.Anyone who flosses is a snagger. It is that simple. If you aren't trying to get them to bite, then you must be trying to snag them without them biting. It doesn't matter it is in the head or the ass, you are a snagger.Guess Im a snagger then. Might want to stay away from me. :chuckle:
Some people floss because they don't know better. Others floss when they know better but aren't good enough fisherman to make the fish bite. Which do you want to be?
That was my point. You said before that you didn't know the difference. I don't hold that against you, as everyone has to learn sometime. Others, however, know they are snagging and do it anyway.
If you want to actually catch fish, you will likely need to work at it. The fish the nisqually bite eggs, but not at the handicap hole with the flossers. Explore a bit and you will find unmolested fish. Better yet, don't go to the nisqually at all. I offered to tell you exactly where to go and to set you up. It is up to you whether you want to be snagger or not.
Post by: WSU on June 25, 2013, 02:00:13 PM
Anyone who flosses is a snagger. It is that simple. If you aren't trying to get them to bite, then you must be trying to snag them without them biting. It doesn't matter it is in the head or the ass, you are a snagger.
The only problem with that theory is that it is sometimes impossible to decipher whether a fish was indeed trying to bite or was actually flossed.
Bullkllr - That's bull! I was talking about people who intentionally floss, such as those fishing for salmon with cannon balls, a corky, and a hook. I said "if you aren't trying to make them bite, then you must be trying to snag them." Flossing is not trying to get them to bite. You are trying to run your line through the fish's mouth until it comes tight and your hook finds the corner of the mouth.
Everyone fouls a fish now and then, and that isn't what I'm talking about. I foul hook fish twitching jigs, but I also catch the vast majority legitimately as they bit the jig on the drop. My intent is not to be snagger, even though I occasionally snag fish.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 02:19:00 PM
Post by: WSU on June 25, 2013, 02:22:16 PM
Let me point out that flossing is not illegal :dunno: as long as the fish is hooked in the head or in the mouth they can not prove you were snagging ...I learned all this from watching it all go down last year ....according to them , the whole river was guilty :rolleyes:
There are plenty of things that aren't illegal that also aren't good things to do. Is that how you set your moral compass of right and wrong? Willing to do whatever as long as the law won't get you in trouble?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 02:30:35 PM
Post by: WSU on June 25, 2013, 02:32:17 PM
I am just pointing it out ...it all comes down to ethics ..its like me telling you to not shoot a turkey while he is in roost ...Even though it seriously ticks me off when someone does that but it is not against the law ......Like I said I am just pointing it out !
Gotcha!
Post by: h20hunter on June 25, 2013, 02:33:06 PM
Flossing, unless specified by leader lenght restrictions, is not illegal nor is it "snagging".
Do it or don't...up to you.
Post by: WSU on June 25, 2013, 02:34:18 PM
Call me crazy but so far today I'm following BH45's posts and just keep nodding.
Flossing, unless specified by leader lenght restrictions, is not illegal nor is it "snagging".
Do it or don't...up to you.
Explain to me how it is not snagging please?
Post by: h20hunter on June 25, 2013, 02:37:00 PM
When flossing the lure does catch (snag if you wish) in the corner of the mouth.
I see them as two seperate types of fishing. One is legal, one is not.
If you do not agree that is cool with me.....as long as the fishing is done legally then I can't tell someone how to go about it.
Post by: WSU on June 25, 2013, 02:38:37 PM
My defintion of "snagging" when it comes to salmon is the direct intention to foul hook a fish outside the mouth.
When flossing the lure does catch (snag if you wish) in the corner of the mouth.
I see them as two seperate types of fishing. One is legal, one is not.
If you do not agree that is cool with me.....as long as the fishing is done legally then I can't tell someone how to go about it.
Got it. The distinction of whether it is snagging or not is where you snag the fish (ass or mouth), not whether you snag the fish.
Post by: h20hunter on June 25, 2013, 02:42:15 PM
Post by: snowpack on June 25, 2013, 02:49:13 PM
More or less. I wish I was allowed to use trebles and sight snag....or use a bow and arrow for salmon...or a spear. You get to set your own ethics, but the law is pretty much set.Let me point out that flossing is not illegal :dunno: as long as the fish is hooked in the head or in the mouth they can not prove you were snagging ...I learned all this from watching it all go down last year ....according to them , the whole river was guilty :rolleyes:
There are plenty of things that aren't illegal that also aren't good things to do. Is that how you set your moral compass of right and wrong? Willing to do whatever as long as the law won't get you in trouble?
Post by: Smossy on June 25, 2013, 02:53:10 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 02:53:38 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 02:55:56 PM
:chuckle: :chuckle: Being a carp shooter :chuckle: I would just love to stick an arrow threw a 30# king :archery_smiley: :lol4:More or less. I wish I was allowed to use trebles and sight snag....or use a bow and arrow for salmon...or a spear. You get to set your own ethics, but the law is pretty much set.Let me point out that flossing is not illegal :dunno: as long as the fish is hooked in the head or in the mouth they can not prove you were snagging ...I learned all this from watching it all go down last year ....according to them , the whole river was guilty :rolleyes:
There are plenty of things that aren't illegal that also aren't good things to do. Is that how you set your moral compass of right and wrong? Willing to do whatever as long as the law won't get you in trouble?
Post by: snowpack on June 25, 2013, 02:58:28 PM
:chuckle: :chuckle: Being a carp shooter :chuckle: I would just love to stick an arrow threw a 30# king :archery_smiley: :lol4:30# king in a 15 knot river :) Better have some good gloves on if you handline it!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 03:13:55 PM
Post by: WSU on June 25, 2013, 03:29:21 PM
Post by: Smossy on June 25, 2013, 03:33:18 PM
I usually fish with eggs when it comes to catching kings ..So last year I was fishing in August and had the whole river to myself because the run just started and not many fish to catch to draw the crowds ...I was catching some cromers for at least a solid week ..all on eggs and no one around to spook the fish ...while after a week of 2 the people came out of the wood work ...and so did the wardens :chuckle: I can smell them if they are near :chuckle: :chuckle: anyway 2 very suspicious guys walk up to me and wanted to fish beside me ..I said yeah go ahead ...very clean cut guys ..in their 20s ..they ask me how I catch these fish ..I said real easy ..just put on a bait of eggs and drop it in between those pilings and let it sit there until one picks them up ...They looked at me like I nuts ..and I even had a bobber on my line ...another rule to their arsenal :dunno: :chuckle: I put on a bait of eggs and they say ...man I never seen anyone fish with a bait of eggs that big ...I say HUH ...I dropped those eggs in the water and not a second went by and zzzzzzzzzz...whack ...fish on :dunno:They do not say one word to me and the fish is jumping and peeling line ..I pull it up on the water and you could plainly see it was hooked in the mouth and it gets off ... :bash: :bash: They did not say anything to me and just walked off ... I fish for about another 1/2 hour and pack up and head to my truck ...as I am walking I see a warden and a city cop walking toward me :dunno: they tell me to put my pole down and do not move :yike: I instantly freak out ... He then reads me my rights :dunno: :o and tells me he was watching me fish and I was fishing illegal :yike: after they packed half the river out to the truck they let me go but everyone else who had a fish with marks on it got their poles taken and ticketed ...it did not go that easy for me but I will leave it at that since they let me walk ...I did not do nothing wrong anyways but I am always accused of it :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:What did u get tagged for? Too-big of eggs? lol
Post by: WSU on June 25, 2013, 03:35:55 PM
Post by: Smossy on June 25, 2013, 03:37:34 PM
Snagging is my guess.With a float and eggs though?
Post by: h20hunter on June 25, 2013, 03:41:09 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 03:42:21 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 03:48:00 PM
In small water I've foul hooked fish with floats. If you have a good sharp hook it is easy to catch up on a pectoral fin....right at the base. It is a sonofa' to get them in and released carefully.yeah ...better just jerk out their gills and toss them on the bank ...all kinda predators for them to go threw ....human - eagles and nets So you better play your role as top predator :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Smossy on June 25, 2013, 03:50:09 PM
WTH ..Did you guys read the post :dunno: :chuckle: I never got ticketed for fishing ...they were trying to catch me as being a Jigger :dunno: good luck to them :hello:Oh, I read it. Just must have miss-interpreted it alittle differently. How can you jig with eggs though? lol Im not understanding.
I thought a jig was a lure, under a float. Not a baited hook.
Post by: WSU on June 25, 2013, 03:53:16 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 03:54:24 PM
Were you fishing the Samish? If so, wasn't there a no stationary gear rule in effect due to the jig-plunking snaggers?10-4 So that makes everyone a jigger :dunno: :rolleyes: :yeah: anyone questioning Bh45 is more than welcome to attend my class ;)
Post by: h20hunter on June 25, 2013, 03:55:48 PM
Post by: WSU on June 25, 2013, 03:56:40 PM
Were you fishing the Samish? If so, wasn't there a no stationary gear rule in effect due to the jig-plunking snaggers?10-4 So that makes everyone a jigger :dunno: :rolleyes: :yeah: anyone questioning Bh45 is more than welcome to attend my class ;)
This quote is what makes your technique the same as the dudes using jigs: "and let it sit there until one picks them up." Law says your gear has to be moving. You say that it wasn't moving. I'm not sure what you are confused about?
Post by: WSU on June 25, 2013, 03:57:34 PM
Was fishing on the hump a few years ago.....was float fishing for kings in a meat hole...lots of flossing...anyway....was watching the float go by and set the hook just as the gamie drove in with his truck. He pulled up right behind me on the sand and even said hello as I was fighting the fish. The big ol king rolled and you could see the hook right in the meat where the pec fin met the body....it was clear as day! Anyway...I'm trying to bring this fish in and when it gets close I hand the rod to my buddy and tell him to keep it steady. There wasn't much bank to stand on let alone get the fish in shallow to unhook it without it coming out of the water. I got in about up to my waist and got the fish unhooked and set free without breaking the removal from the water restriction. Got it done and sloshed out of the water. Gamie just smiled and said he hope I had some dry pants and drove off.
Buy waders!
Post by: h20hunter on June 25, 2013, 03:59:01 PM
Post by: WSU on June 25, 2013, 03:59:43 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 04:01:13 PM
My guess, based upon his non-answer of my question, is he was fishing the Samish. I think the Samish had a regulation that said your gear had to be moving. That was intended to stop people from plunking their jigs on the bottom and waiting for a fish to swim into their line. They would then snag said fish. He was doing the same thing, only with a glob of eggs (but maybe they pick eggs up out of the mud better than jigs?).Your right but I disagree with anything they are saying ...I have fished that river half my life ..why ? it is a ball to catch fish and watch the circus go on .. but unless you are standing side someone the whole time they have no right to accuse anyone of anything ...if they catch them then that's more power to them ..I have watched a few different things go on when fishing with eggs ....I have watched them pick them up in their mouth and head off with them many of times ...I have picked up my eggs off the bottom and had them come out of know where a crab them as I was bringing them to the surface ...I also watched them pull up on my eggs and whack them with there tail ...So until they witness all I have in 25 yrs of fishing there I do not want to hear it :dunno: :yeah: then to try and accuse me of doing it when I was not really flips my ticker :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Smossy on June 25, 2013, 04:02:31 PM
It would only help so much. I have about 5 pairs of waders and they all have leaks.lol You and me both. I have like 2 and went through 3 others. Leaks leak leaks. I guess waders are meant to be replaced every year or two :chuckle:
Post by: Smossy on June 25, 2013, 04:02:51 PM
My guess, based upon his non-answer of my question, is he was fishing the Samish. I think the Samish had a regulation that said your gear had to be moving. That was intended to stop people from plunking their jigs on the bottom and waiting for a fish to swim into their line. They would then snag said fish. He was doing the same thing, only with a glob of eggs (but maybe they pick eggs up out of the mud better than jigs?).Ahhh ok, thanks for clearing that one up.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 04:03:22 PM
o.k maybe you should join there little pack !! HOW CAN SOMETHING BE MOVING WHEN THE WATER IS NOT MOVING ?? Answer me that question :chuckle:Were you fishing the Samish? If so, wasn't there a no stationary gear rule in effect due to the jig-plunking snaggers?10-4 So that makes everyone a jigger :dunno: :rolleyes: :yeah: anyone questioning Bh45 is more than welcome to attend my class ;)
This quote is what makes your technique the same as the dudes using jigs: "and let it sit there until one picks them up." Law says your gear has to be moving. You say that it wasn't moving. I'm not sure what you are confused about?
Post by: Smossy on June 25, 2013, 04:06:09 PM
Slow retrieve? :dunno:o.k maybe you should join there little pack !! HOW CAN SOMETHING BE MOVING WHEN THE WATER IS NOT MOVING ?? Answer me that question :chuckle:Were you fishing the Samish? If so, wasn't there a no stationary gear rule in effect due to the jig-plunking snaggers?10-4 So that makes everyone a jigger :dunno: :rolleyes: :yeah: anyone questioning Bh45 is more than welcome to attend my class ;)
This quote is what makes your technique the same as the dudes using jigs: "and let it sit there until one picks them up." Law says your gear has to be moving. You say that it wasn't moving. I'm not sure what you are confused about?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 04:08:09 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 04:10:42 PM
since this is a humpy year and I love curing humpy eggs for kings I am inviting at least 2 of u to come up and hang with BH45 for a day ! BUT I must warn you that your chances of meeting a warden are 100% ....any takers ?? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:Slow retrieve? :dunno:o.k maybe you should join there little pack !! HOW CAN SOMETHING BE MOVING WHEN THE WATER IS NOT MOVING ?? Answer me that question :chuckle:Were you fishing the Samish? If so, wasn't there a no stationary gear rule in effect due to the jig-plunking snaggers?10-4 So that makes everyone a jigger :dunno: :rolleyes: :yeah: anyone questioning Bh45 is more than welcome to attend my class ;)
This quote is what makes your technique the same as the dudes using jigs: "and let it sit there until one picks them up." Law says your gear has to be moving. You say that it wasn't moving. I'm not sure what you are confused about?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 04:15:04 PM
Post by: Smossy on June 25, 2013, 04:17:27 PM
Ill fish with ya buddy. Im not scared of a warden.since this is a humpy year and I love curing humpy eggs for kings I am inviting at least 2 of u to come up and hang with BH45 for a day ! BUT I must warn you that your chances of meeting a warden are 100% ....any takers ?? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:Slow retrieve? :dunno:o.k maybe you should join there little pack !! HOW CAN SOMETHING BE MOVING WHEN THE WATER IS NOT MOVING ?? Answer me that question :chuckle:Were you fishing the Samish? If so, wasn't there a no stationary gear rule in effect due to the jig-plunking snaggers?10-4 So that makes everyone a jigger :dunno: :rolleyes: :yeah: anyone questioning Bh45 is more than welcome to attend my class ;)
This quote is what makes your technique the same as the dudes using jigs: "and let it sit there until one picks them up." Law says your gear has to be moving. You say that it wasn't moving. I'm not sure what you are confused about?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 04:25:05 PM
We will wait until humpies come ..get some fresh humpy eggs and then wait until the fish enter the Samish .... :tup:Ill fish with ya buddy. Im not scared of a warden.since this is a humpy year and I love curing humpy eggs for kings I am inviting at least 2 of u to come up and hang with BH45 for a day ! BUT I must warn you that your chances of meeting a warden are 100% ....any takers ?? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:Slow retrieve? :dunno:o.k maybe you should join there little pack !! HOW CAN SOMETHING BE MOVING WHEN THE WATER IS NOT MOVING ?? Answer me that question :chuckle:Were you fishing the Samish? If so, wasn't there a no stationary gear rule in effect due to the jig-plunking snaggers?10-4 So that makes everyone a jigger :dunno: :rolleyes: :yeah: anyone questioning Bh45 is more than welcome to attend my class ;)
This quote is what makes your technique the same as the dudes using jigs: "and let it sit there until one picks them up." Law says your gear has to be moving. You say that it wasn't moving. I'm not sure what you are confused about?
Post by: Smossy on June 25, 2013, 04:26:21 PM
Sounds good to me. Let me know. I just like to have fish on the end of my line, Like I've said before. I'm not real picky.We will wait until humpies come ..get some fresh humpy eggs and then wait until the fish enter the Samish .... :tup:Ill fish with ya buddy. Im not scared of a warden.since this is a humpy year and I love curing humpy eggs for kings I am inviting at least 2 of u to come up and hang with BH45 for a day ! BUT I must warn you that your chances of meeting a warden are 100% ....any takers ?? :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:Slow retrieve? :dunno:o.k maybe you should join there little pack !! HOW CAN SOMETHING BE MOVING WHEN THE WATER IS NOT MOVING ?? Answer me that question :chuckle:Were you fishing the Samish? If so, wasn't there a no stationary gear rule in effect due to the jig-plunking snaggers?10-4 So that makes everyone a jigger :dunno: :rolleyes: :yeah: anyone questioning Bh45 is more than welcome to attend my class ;)
This quote is what makes your technique the same as the dudes using jigs: "and let it sit there until one picks them up." Law says your gear has to be moving. You say that it wasn't moving. I'm not sure what you are confused about?
Post by: WSU on June 25, 2013, 04:30:12 PM
o.k maybe you should join there little pack !! HOW CAN SOMETHING BE MOVING WHEN THE WATER IS NOT MOVING ?? Answer me that question :chuckle:Were you fishing the Samish? If so, wasn't there a no stationary gear rule in effect due to the jig-plunking snaggers?10-4 So that makes everyone a jigger :dunno: :rolleyes: :yeah: anyone questioning Bh45 is more than welcome to attend my class ;)
This quote is what makes your technique the same as the dudes using jigs: "and let it sit there until one picks them up." Law says your gear has to be moving. You say that it wasn't moving. I'm not sure what you are confused about?
Set your bobber so your gear isn't sitting on the bottom. I guaranty it will move, even if only from the wind or the slight current that still exists at low tide.
Post by: Kola16 on June 25, 2013, 05:50:51 PM
Let me point out that flossing is not illegal :dunno: as long as the fish is hooked in the head or in the mouth they can not prove you were snagging ...I learned all this from watching it all go down last year ....according to them , the whole river was guilty :rolleyes:I think flossing is illegal, but next to impossible to prove :dunno:
Quote
Snagging: Attempting to take fish with a hook and line in such a way that the fish does not voluntarily take the hook(s) in its mouth.If the hook flosses through the fish's mouth then the fish is not voluntarily taking the hook :dunno:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2013, 06:03:24 PM
HUH ...How can you prove that the fish did not take the bait :dunno:Let me point out that flossing is not illegal :dunno: as long as the fish is hooked in the head or in the mouth they can not prove you were snagging ...I learned all this from watching it all go down last year ....according to them , the whole river was guilty :rolleyes:I think flossing is illegal, but next to impossible to prove :dunno:QuoteSnagging: Attempting to take fish with a hook and line in such a way that the fish does not voluntarily take the hook(s) in its mouth.If the hook flosses through the fish's mouth then the fish is not voluntarily taking the hook :dunno:
Post by: Smossy on June 25, 2013, 06:06:45 PM
Dont know about you guys, But my kings go haywire for my Green/black corky combo color. :chuckle:HUH ...How can you prove that the fish did not take the bait :dunno:Let me point out that flossing is not illegal :dunno: as long as the fish is hooked in the head or in the mouth they can not prove you were snagging ...I learned all this from watching it all go down last year ....according to them , the whole river was guilty :rolleyes:I think flossing is illegal, but next to impossible to prove :dunno:QuoteSnagging: Attempting to take fish with a hook and line in such a way that the fish does not voluntarily take the hook(s) in its mouth.If the hook flosses through the fish's mouth then the fish is not voluntarily taking the hook :dunno:
Post by: Kola16 on June 25, 2013, 06:07:11 PM
...but next to impossible to prove :dunno:But it would still be illegal if the fish did not take it. So for the guys that know they are flossing, they would be illegal, correct :dunno:
Post by: Button Nubbs on June 25, 2013, 06:18:07 PM
Post by: fastdam on June 25, 2013, 06:21:09 PM
Post by: Smossy on June 25, 2013, 06:29:43 PM
As long as the hook is in a legal location,....FISH ON! I like to reel salmon in and eat them. Playing a game with athe fish is no more important to me than if a buck decides to run into my bullet or i have to force it into him. Same with elk and my arrows. Someone elses made up ethics dont apply to everyone else. If its legal, go try it and slay some fish. You pay enough to harvest some meat.:tup:
Post by: Kc_Kracker on June 25, 2013, 11:50:23 PM
"inside the mouth only"
its no longer "gill plate forward" on most rivers
:tup:
Post by: WSU on June 26, 2013, 11:04:54 AM
the hook will typically be on the outside of the mouth. out of all the salmon/steelhead ive hooked on presentations like jig, bait, ect. none that come to mind were hooked on the outside of the mouth. i have caught fish on corkies corkies/yarn and flies that were hooked outside of the mouth. given the techniques that make fish more or less have to bite all being hooked inside the mouth i can only assume fish hooked outside the mouth are flossed except the oddball here or there.
I've caught a far number of steelhead hooked outside-in when fishing a pink worm. I think they bite the middle of it and get hooked on the outside in the process.
Post by: CP on June 26, 2013, 11:11:48 AM
Post by: WSU on June 26, 2013, 11:17:40 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 26, 2013, 11:42:06 AM
:nono: we do not continue without Bh45 getting in his :twocents: all the rules they keep coming with just makes me want to quit ...pretty sad a guy can not go and enjoy catching fish and taking a couple home to eat ...Trying accuse fishermen of jigging is total ------. Oups can not even use that word now :DOH: sometimes a fish will hit the bait and you jerk and you end up jerking it away from him and then you end up foul hooking him ....I have a problem with it all and all the rules they continue to come up with just over a flipping fish ...if you are using a treble hook with a sinker below it then I will call you a jigger ...but with a single hook I can not agree with them writing anyone a ticket unless they actually witnessed it ...there are others on the river who could of easily fouled hook a fish you caught and no way of proving anything unless the see it for themselves !the hook will typically be on the outside of the mouth. out of all the salmon/steelhead ive hooked on presentations like jig, bait, ect. none that come to mind were hooked on the outside of the mouth. i have caught fish on corkies corkies/yarn and flies that were hooked outside of the mouth. given the techniques that make fish more or less have to bite all being hooked inside the mouth i can only assume fish hooked outside the mouth are flossed except the oddball here or there.
I've caught a far number of steelhead hooked outside-in when fishing a pink worm. I think they bite the middle of it and get hooked on the outside in the process.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 26, 2013, 12:04:31 PM
I ALSO LOVE HOW YOU GUYS SPLIT when I show up to the party :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :hello:
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 26, 2013, 12:10:49 PM
Post by: Smossy on June 26, 2013, 12:13:10 PM
What no pictures.Musta never happened :chuckle: FISH TALES
Post by: Goldeneye on June 26, 2013, 12:13:19 PM
What no pictures.
Maybe they were posted on Facebook?
Post by: CP on June 26, 2013, 12:14:31 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 26, 2013, 12:17:58 PM
rightWhat no pictures.
Maybe they were posted on Facebook?
Post by: WSU on June 26, 2013, 12:19:36 PM
Post by: Goldeneye on June 26, 2013, 12:19:58 PM
I foul hook (snag) at least half of the dogfish that I catch but I do release all of them. That doesn’t make me a flosser does it?
Are you coming to the Hunt-Wa BBQ? Smossy wants to try all the different game. Bring one of those dogfish to BBQ for him to chow down on...
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 26, 2013, 12:21:06 PM
Post by: Smossy on June 26, 2013, 12:21:37 PM
Dogfish is what they use in england in replacement for cod. :dunno:I foul hook (snag) at least half of the dogfish that I catch but I do release all of them. That doesn’t make me a flosser does it?
Are you coming to the Hunt-Wa BBQ? Smossy wants to try all the different game. Bring one of those dogfish to BBQ for him to chow down on...
Dogfish I wouldnt touch, Ive caught enough of them to know how rancid the meat smells, Smells like amonia. :puke:
The shark fishermen always use them for bait down at the piers, I usually just hand them over to those guys.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 26, 2013, 12:23:24 PM
That's too bad Teddy has to follow the rules now that he has been caught.ALL ...we follow their rules ...we just have a bad habit of holding them out of water :dunno: :hello:
Post by: CP on June 26, 2013, 12:24:52 PM
Dogfish is what they use in england in replacement for cod. :dunno:I foul hook (snag) at least half of the dogfish that I catch but I do release all of them. That doesn’t make me a flosser does it?
Are you coming to the Hunt-Wa BBQ? Smossy wants to try all the different game. Bring one of those dogfish to BBQ for him to chow down on...
Dogfish I wouldnt touch, Ive caught enough of them to know how rancid the meat smells, Smells like amonia. :puke:
The shark fishermen always use them for bait down at the piers, I usually just hand them over to those guys.
- That’s because they piss through their skin. I hear that if you soak them in vinegar for a couple of days they taste OK.
Post by: h20hunter on June 26, 2013, 12:26:39 PM
Post by: Smossy on June 26, 2013, 12:27:21 PM
Interesting, If that's true I never knew it.Dogfish is what they use in england in replacement for cod. :dunno:I foul hook (snag) at least half of the dogfish that I catch but I do release all of them. That doesn’t make me a flosser does it?
Are you coming to the Hunt-Wa BBQ? Smossy wants to try all the different game. Bring one of those dogfish to BBQ for him to chow down on...
Dogfish I wouldnt touch, Ive caught enough of them to know how rancid the meat smells, Smells like amonia. :puke:
The shark fishermen always use them for bait down at the piers, I usually just hand them over to those guys.
- That’s because they piss through their skin. I hear that if you soak them in vinegar for a couple of days they taste OK.
Post by: Goldeneye on June 26, 2013, 12:30:03 PM
I would eat dogfish before coyote.
Good reminder, Everyone keep an eye out for fresh roadkill to bring so that Smossy can have a wide range game buffet at the BBQ. Someone has to come up with a opossum for him to try at least...
Post by: Alchase on June 26, 2013, 12:32:59 PM
I would eat dogfish before coyote.
H20 every time I read a post by you, your avatar looks like he is staring at me and just keeps saying "what?" :dunno:
Post by: hrd2fnd on June 26, 2013, 12:33:55 PM
SO CONFUSED, head is spinning from all of this and reading 198 pages of regs :o
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 26, 2013, 12:35:47 PM
That's illegal too !!! :dunno:I would eat dogfish before coyote.
Good reminder, Everyone keep an eye out for fresh roadkill to bring so that Smossy can have a wide range game buffet at the BBQ. Someone has to come up with a opossum for him to try at least...
Post by: Goldeneye on June 26, 2013, 12:38:17 PM
That's illegal too !!! :dunno:I would eat dogfish before coyote.
Good reminder, Everyone keep an eye out for fresh roadkill to bring so that Smossy can have a wide range game buffet at the BBQ. Someone has to come up with a opossum for him to try at least...
Don't think so:
The opossum is unclassified and may be trapped or killed year-round; no permit is necessary. No permit is necessary for the use of live (cage) traps; however, a special trapping permit is required for the use of all traps other than live traps (RCW 77.15.192, 77.15.194; WAC 232-12-142).
Post by: h20hunter on June 26, 2013, 12:40:56 PM
I would eat dogfish before coyote.
H20 every time I read a post by you, your avatar looks like he is staring at me and just keeps saying "what?" :dunno:
Yeah....I get that. One of my friends saw the pic and said he looks sad. I agreed and mentioned that they would be sad as well if a Barnes Triple Shock 150gr blew up their liver, lungs, and one of their shoulders!
Post by: Smossy on June 26, 2013, 12:41:03 PM
Post by: h20hunter on June 26, 2013, 12:42:52 PM
Post by: Smossy on June 26, 2013, 12:46:36 PM
Whatever.....you are gonna show up...eat bbq....have a beer with me....let me make eyes at your girl.....all that good stuff!You know she fine.
Post by: Button Nubbs on June 26, 2013, 01:33:57 PM
Agreed. Its one of those techniques that it can happen at times.the hook will typically be on the outside of the mouth. out of all the salmon/steelhead ive hooked on presentations like jig, bait, ect. none that come to mind were hooked on the outside of the mouth. i have caught fish on corkies corkies/yarn and flies that were hooked outside of the mouth. given the techniques that make fish more or less have to bite all being hooked inside the mouth i can only assume fish hooked outside the mouth are flossed except the oddball here or there.
I've caught a far number of steelhead hooked outside-in when fishing a pink worm. I think they bite the middle of it and get hooked on the outside in the process.
Post by: BigGoonTuna on June 26, 2013, 08:22:26 PM
you'll hook a few outside the mouth drift fishing from time to time(especially with pink worms, in fact, i lose a lot of steelhead hooked that way because they'll shred the leader from taking the worm sideways) but if you're not trying to increase your odds of lining fish(like not using ultra long leaders, and setting the hook a half dozen times every drift), you aren't flossing.
Post by: Kola16 on June 26, 2013, 08:26:38 PM
in reading this thread I'm even more confused about the rules and regulations. This will be the first time I will be going salmon fishing with the wife and I'm not sure it is worth the headache to even try now.And to make it worse...some game wardens are going to cite you for breathing wrong :bdid:
SO CONFUSED, head is spinning from all of this and reading 198 pages of regs :o
TIP: always bring a pen and pliers!!!