Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 23, 2013, 08:37:21 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on June 23, 2013, 08:41:40 PM
Post by: huntnphool on June 23, 2013, 08:44:14 PM
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 23, 2013, 08:45:04 PM
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 23, 2013, 08:46:43 PM
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Post by: furbearer365 on June 23, 2013, 08:48:06 PM
Post by: sled on June 23, 2013, 08:49:08 PM
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 23, 2013, 08:49:56 PM
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 23, 2013, 08:51:22 PM
Post by: lewy on June 23, 2013, 08:53:53 PM
Post by: lewy on June 23, 2013, 09:00:24 PM
I'd much rather them kill a cow and spike than the big bulls.
Don't worry they kill plenty of those too
Post by: X-Force on June 23, 2013, 09:04:17 PM
Post by: deerhunter_98520 on June 23, 2013, 09:10:37 PM
This is gonna be a long thread if it doesnt get locked :chuckle:
Post by: Bullkllr on June 23, 2013, 09:15:07 PM
Post by: Smossy on June 23, 2013, 09:26:19 PM
I wouldn't normally start a topic to start the opening of the can of worms, but today when I took the girlfriend up to look for deer and go for a drive on the tree farm, white river tree farm behind the mill to be exact, I was visibly upset to find a fresh elk gut pile and about a fifty yard drag mark with no foot traffic other than to hook the haywire up right off the main line. I walked to where it was shot and saw that it was a cow and last yrs calf, I assumed it had been the cow that was shot. I made one phone call to the right person who later got back to me and found out it was a cow and her last yrs calf, a spike, which they shot for a ceremonial hunt. I don't know how other people feel, but I just cant figure out why the hunting around here sucks compared to what it was 15 yrs ago, shooting yearling bulls in june cant have anything to do with it. sorry im not sorry if this offends anyone, but I think that it is just sad!! just plane sad!!! >:(Is that the tree farm up on FSR 74?
Post by: DRENALINJUNKIE on June 23, 2013, 09:28:44 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on June 23, 2013, 09:31:10 PM
Post by: JoeE on June 23, 2013, 09:34:40 PM
This is so rediculuse! Ceremony belongna. :bash:
Yeah, this BS is rediculuse!! :chuckle:
Post by: sakoshooter on June 23, 2013, 11:15:46 PM
Post by: KopperBuck on June 23, 2013, 11:18:10 PM
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 24, 2013, 04:54:11 AM
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 24, 2013, 05:41:10 AM
Post by: Old Man Yager on June 24, 2013, 07:03:14 AM
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Post by: 2MANY on June 24, 2013, 08:15:27 AM
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Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 24, 2013, 08:22:17 AM
So were the elk left to rot? Did they only removing the spike? Confused.
Was wondering the same thing? Only mentioned 1 gutpile and two dead critters in the starting post.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 24, 2013, 08:32:54 AM
Pretty soon it'll be their locks on those gates and nobody will have a clue as to what goes on......That's already going on ...There is a lot things they do that we have no clue about :bash: :bash: The time is coming when we become free loaders ...Do as you please but keep your mouth shut :dunno: 8) :yeah:
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 24, 2013, 09:30:12 AM
Post by: HUNT-HARD on June 24, 2013, 09:54:21 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 24, 2013, 09:55:54 AM
They kill spikes in most of the east side units and it doesn't seem to effect the number of big bulls on the east side :twocents:. I would much rather them kill a spike and let the cow walk than to go out there and shoot a big bull or a cow.
Good point. Like it or not, it isn't going to stop. At least anytime soon.
Post by: Practical Approach on June 24, 2013, 10:06:19 AM
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 24, 2013, 10:07:53 AM
Post by: lewy on June 24, 2013, 10:08:53 AM
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 24, 2013, 10:11:56 AM
Post by: HUNT-HARD on June 24, 2013, 10:16:54 AM
Post by: lostbackpacker on June 24, 2013, 10:17:12 AM
Post by: Houndhunter on June 24, 2013, 10:28:09 AM
I think were better off working with some of the tribes than fighting them, some things are not going to change. Took me awhile to realize that. But I have more faith in the tribes solving some issues than our beloved game department.
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 24, 2013, 10:34:58 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 24, 2013, 11:03:20 AM
Best approach has already been said earlier, try and work with the tribes and not fight against what will never change unless they chose to change it. But in all reality, who has that kinda time and energy?
Post by: washingtonmuley on June 24, 2013, 11:09:38 AM
Post by: WSU on June 24, 2013, 11:26:35 AM
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 24, 2013, 11:29:02 AM
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Post by: westside bull on June 24, 2013, 11:32:00 AM
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 24, 2013, 11:38:12 AM
Post by: westside bull on June 24, 2013, 12:03:32 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 24, 2013, 12:05:03 PM
Post by: jackmaster on June 24, 2013, 12:08:42 PM
Post by: HUNT-HARD on June 24, 2013, 12:21:27 PM
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 24, 2013, 12:52:15 PM
Post by: HUNT-HARD on June 24, 2013, 01:43:05 PM
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 24, 2013, 01:50:02 PM
Post by: jackmaster on June 24, 2013, 01:53:08 PM
Yep must be ignorant to want everybody to abide by the same rules, practice conservation, and make goodsound decisions for the future of hunting, and flat out doing the right moral things to preserve hunting for our kids. That must be ignorant of me :tup::yeah: :yeah: :yeah:1000000%
Post by: turbo on June 24, 2013, 01:58:47 PM
Post by: westside bull on June 24, 2013, 02:04:07 PM
Post by: DaveBTS on June 24, 2013, 02:12:38 PM
If I was single I would be lookin to marry a muckelshoot bride to change the world or just get hunting rights! :chuckle:
It is nice getting fish from the hatchery. Save a lot of boat gas that way.
Post by: Goshawk on June 24, 2013, 04:10:01 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on June 24, 2013, 04:17:48 PM
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 24, 2013, 04:57:07 PM
Post by: Bigtine96 on June 24, 2013, 05:01:04 PM
It's amazing how some people justify it. That spike could have been a good bull someday, but we'll never know
It doesnt really matter what was standing there, they would have killed it anyways.
Post by: lewy on June 24, 2013, 05:19:32 PM
If I was single I would be lookin to marry a muckelshoot bride to change the world or just get hunting rights! :chuckle:
I'll pass
Post by: westside bull on June 24, 2013, 06:12:00 PM
Post by: lewy on June 24, 2013, 06:24:33 PM
Post by: westside bull on June 24, 2013, 06:34:05 PM
I hear you it's not right we can't change it but the number's are up and to me that's what count's for the future!
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 24, 2013, 08:33:44 PM
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on June 24, 2013, 09:04:30 PM
If I was single I would be lookin to marry a muckelshoot bride to change the world or just get hunting rights! :chuckle:
Take a nice drive through the Muck reservation sometime. I cannot speak to your taste in women, and I love hunting as much as anyone on here. I just would have to draw the line at putting any woman I have seen out that way in my bed :sry:.
Post by: Humptulips on June 24, 2013, 09:32:50 PM
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 24, 2013, 09:44:25 PM
Post by: Practical Approach on June 25, 2013, 08:45:32 AM
It's amazing how some people justify it. That spike could have been a good bull someday, but we'll never know
It doesnt really matter what was standing there, they would have killed it anyways.
But didnt it matter, I thought they passed on the cow and took the spike?
Post by: 180-GRAIN on June 25, 2013, 09:38:56 AM
Post by: Fishaholic on June 25, 2013, 10:25:00 AM
Post by: billdo5 on June 25, 2013, 10:34:09 AM
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 25, 2013, 10:41:39 AM
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 25, 2013, 10:44:20 AM
Lol whiskey where have u been the Indians have been doing it for as long as I can remember... And u sure ur from Buckley... I'm thinking enumclaw lolAnd I am from Enumclaw, just moved across river awhile back... Smartass :chuckle:
Post by: westside bull on June 25, 2013, 11:12:06 AM
Post by: npaull on June 25, 2013, 11:14:26 AM
It's over. Deal with it. No more different wildlife rights.
Post by: billdo5 on June 25, 2013, 11:19:12 AM
Post by: Practical Approach on June 25, 2013, 11:23:32 AM
Separate rights for wildlife resources in this day and age is total and complete bullsh*t. I don't get to go to Britain and shoot any red deer I see just because my ancestors are from there.
It's over. Deal with it. No more different wildlife rights.
There really are no rights for Washington citizens to hunt. Just opportunities to hunt provided by state laws. Rights come from the treaties that the tribes signed between their government and the federal government. So, you have the opportunity provided to hunt but not a true right provided in a treaty or constitution.
I am guessing if you want to exhert your right to hunt red deer in Britian, you proably should be a resident :dunno:
Post by: Houndhunter on June 25, 2013, 10:57:55 PM
Post by: Hawgdawg on June 25, 2013, 11:27:25 PM
U hear stories like that from all over. I see bulls in the back of Indians rigs every year in august, September and october, and my good buddy works for hancock, so i hear of bulls in the teens and 20's every yr before the rest of us get to hunt, and oh yeah, we have to get drawn to hunt!!
Quality rumor has the Mucks owning kapowisin at this moment.........good luck with those nice stickers stuck to your windshield.
Post by: DRENALINJUNKIE on June 26, 2013, 09:19:34 AM
Post by: Chesapeake on June 26, 2013, 03:36:21 PM
I agree! Nothing ceremonial about it, just cause they can. Cause when a loved one of mine dies, I wanna go kill a elk in June! I mean come on, F-in joke. If u can't see that, I feel sorry for u
I don't get your fixation with "June". What happens in June that makes elk hunting at that time such a big negative?
Earlier you said you'd be fine with Indians hunting in regular hunting season. Well, they did hunt in their regular hunting season.
I just can understand why your so opposed to hunting elk in June as opposed to September through January. :dunno:
Post by: PlateauNDN on June 26, 2013, 05:50:06 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 26, 2013, 06:04:02 PM
Post by: Old Man Yager on June 26, 2013, 08:52:38 PM
It doesn't seem very ethical in June, just for the fact that when you see Elk in June they usually just stand there and look at you. At least during a regular season hunt you are out there in the elements at the same time everybody else is out hunting too. I'm just sayin' !!!!I agree! Nothing ceremonial about it, just cause they can. Cause when a loved one of mine dies, I wanna go kill a elk in June! I mean come on, F-in joke. If u can't see that, I feel sorry for u
I don't get your fixation with "June". What happens in June that makes elk hunting at that time such a big negative?
Earlier you said you'd be fine with Indians hunting in regular hunting season. Well, they did hunt in their regular hunting season.
I just can understand why your so opposed to hunting elk in June as opposed to September through January. :dunno:
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 27, 2013, 04:54:05 AM
Really? U think I'm all for them hunting with rifles from august to Feb? :bash: i said I'd be fine if they hunted and shot a spike in jugular hunting seasons like the rest of us. Have u read nothing I've said??? The fact that they shoot one in June means they will any month, doesn't matter.I agree! Nothing ceremonial about it, just cause they can. Cause when a loved one of mine dies, I wanna go kill a elk in June! I mean come on, F-in joke. If u can't see that, I feel sorry for u
I don't get your fixation with "June". What happens in June that makes elk hunting at that time such a big negative?
Earlier you said you'd be fine with Indians hunting in regular hunting season. Well, they did hunt in their regular hunting season.
I just can understand why your so opposed to hunting elk in June as opposed to September through January. :dunno:
Post by: DRENALINJUNKIE on June 27, 2013, 07:52:47 AM
Post by: PlateauNDN on June 27, 2013, 08:57:29 AM
Post by: lewy on June 27, 2013, 01:49:34 PM
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on June 27, 2013, 07:37:59 PM
Post by: robertsjd on July 01, 2013, 06:17:01 PM
Post by: billdo5 on July 02, 2013, 12:09:18 PM
Post by: gonehuntin68 on July 04, 2013, 11:14:27 AM
Post by: Green broke on July 04, 2013, 12:06:12 PM
They are all poachers in my book. POACHERSGood thing you "book" is not a governing body. By the law however I am LEGAL. Lol
Post by: trophyhunt on July 04, 2013, 12:15:15 PM
Your right about being legal but your hunting wrongs are sure not respected by most hunters. Your not a real hunter in most our books no matter what you think, anyone can kill a bull elk Aug thru February with a rifle. I think you should stay on your rez and hunt all you want, if we could take a public vote you'd be buying a license and following the rules like the rest of us. Laugh all you want, but you'll never get respect from most when it comes to the way you hunt. :twocents:They are all poachers in my book. POACHERSGood thing you "book" is not a governing body. By the law however I am LEGAL. Lol
Post by: Green broke on July 04, 2013, 12:25:24 PM
Post by: Green broke on July 04, 2013, 12:31:31 PM
Never killed a bull in August, never killed a bull in February, I have seen state hunters kill cow elk the last week of March though (every year)Your right about being legal but your hunting wrongs are sure not respected by most hunters. Your not a real hunter in most our books no matter what you think, anyone can kill a bull elk Aug thru February with a rifle. I think you should stay on your rez and hunt all you want, if we could take a public vote you'd be buying a license and following the rules like the rest of us. Laugh all you want, but you'll never get respect from most when it comes to the way you hunt. :twocents:They are all poachers in my book. POACHERSGood thing you "book" is not a governing body. By the law however I am LEGAL. Lol
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 04, 2013, 12:49:48 PM
I've said it before on here, I never have agreed with the comment that we have the privilege to hunt, that's crap to me. I 100% abide by the laws, but I will always believe I have THE RIGHT TO HUNT! God gave me the right to hunt, not the state, but like I said I will always follow the rules. The rules are there to protect the game and I agree with most of them, but the natives rights to hunt, I will never agree with those. They need to change the treaties to make sense, just my 2 cents. And if the muck's ever buy kapowsin, my buddies and I will have some killer elk hunting grounds, cause we will be all over it!!:yeah: :tup: that how I think too ...Not one of us was put on earth to have more rights than the other ...we just decided to make it that way ...BS !
Post by: Green broke on July 04, 2013, 12:53:49 PM
If we had equal rights the herd in question would be gone, even with a 100% hunting moratorium by all users.I've said it before on here, I never have agreed with the comment that we have the privilege to hunt, that's crap to me. I 100% abide by the laws, but I will always believe I have THE RIGHT TO HUNT! God gave me the right to hunt, not the state, but like I said I will always follow the rules. The rules are there to protect the game and I agree with most of them, but the natives rights to hunt, I will never agree with those. They need to change the treaties to make sense, just my 2 cents. And if the muck's ever buy kapowsin, my buddies and I will have some killer elk hunting grounds, cause we will be all over it!!:yeah: :tup: that how I think too ...Not one of us was put on earth to have more rights than the other ...we just decided to make it that way ...BS !
Post by: trophyhunt on July 04, 2013, 01:39:43 PM
those are special permit hunts that not just anyone can go do, highly regulated and help farmers with damage control. Very different than tribal hunts.Never killed a bull in August, never killed a bull in February, I have seen state hunters kill cow elk the last week of March though (every year)Your right about being legal but your hunting wrongs are sure not respected by most hunters. Your not a real hunter in most our books no matter what you think, anyone can kill a bull elk Aug thru February with a rifle. I think you should stay on your rez and hunt all you want, if we could take a public vote you'd be buying a license and following the rules like the rest of us. Laugh all you want, but you'll never get respect from most when it comes to the way you hunt. :twocents:They are all poachers in my book. POACHERSGood thing you "book" is not a governing body. By the law however I am LEGAL. Lol
Post by: Green broke on July 04, 2013, 01:43:56 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on July 04, 2013, 01:46:25 PM
Hey we agree with something, your right about the herds being gone if we could hunt like the indians. Thanks God we don't have an open season on fish and game like you guys, man would that be sick. It's amazing how such a small percentage of people can have a huge impact on the deer and elk in our state, your brothers have wiped out a huge number of deer in the Yakima area and units that are permit only for us. Not all natives are bad guys, there are some on this site that I have respect for, they don't take advantage of there rights like most natives.If we had equal rights the herd in question would be gone, even with a 100% hunting moratorium by all users.I've said it before on here, I never have agreed with the comment that we have the privilege to hunt, that's crap to me. I 100% abide by the laws, but I will always believe I have THE RIGHT TO HUNT! God gave me the right to hunt, not the state, but like I said I will always follow the rules. The rules are there to protect the game and I agree with most of them, but the natives rights to hunt, I will never agree with those. They need to change the treaties to make sense, just my 2 cents. And if the muck's ever buy kapowsin, my buddies and I will have some killer elk hunting grounds, cause we will be all over it!!:yeah: :tup: that how I think too ...Not one of us was put on earth to have more rights than the other ...we just decided to make it that way ...BS !
Post by: trophyhunt on July 04, 2013, 01:49:11 PM
Post by: Green broke on July 04, 2013, 01:55:30 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on July 04, 2013, 02:13:51 PM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on July 04, 2013, 08:10:24 PM
Post by: Old Man Yager on July 05, 2013, 07:04:57 AM
Well I have to go celebrate my freedom so I'm done with the computer for a while, probably gonna go to the indian shack to get my good fireworks. Keep your fingers attached!!Ya, what's the deal on the fireworks anyway? Were those ceremonial back in the old days? I thought the Chinese invented fireworks, maybe you should onnly be able to buy them in Seattle in Chinatown?!!
Post by: h2ofowlr on July 05, 2013, 08:37:14 AM
Post by: Masterhunter340 on July 05, 2013, 02:56:27 PM
Post by: Time Immemorial on July 07, 2013, 10:46:56 AM
Does ceremonial jerky taste any different from subsistence jerky? Or are those get you out of jail terms used by NA and have nothing to do with taste. :chuckle:Taste great, an less filling lol
Post by: trophyhunt on July 07, 2013, 11:06:06 AM
How many generations to we have to go thru to get this to stop.. We gave them land for a reason, stay on it.To add to this, they love to say they are a seperate nation, well if they truly want it that way they should have to carry passports when they leave their reservation and pass through customs.
Post by: sled on July 07, 2013, 11:08:06 AM
Typical Hairtrigger Response.Does ceremonial jerky taste any different from subsistence jerky? Or are those get you out of jail terms used by NA and have nothing to do with taste. :chuckle:Taste great, an less filling lol
Post by: Time Immemorial on July 07, 2013, 11:22:38 AM
:oTypical Hairtrigger Response.Does ceremonial jerky taste any different from subsistence jerky? Or are those get you out of jail terms used by NA and have nothing to do with taste. :chuckle:Taste great, an less filling lol
Post by: Green broke on July 07, 2013, 01:09:21 PM
How many generations to we have to go thru to get this to stop.. We gave them land for a reason, stay on it.Masterhunter340 you are probably one to cast stones. I think you have your own battles and issues.
Post by: Time Immemorial on July 07, 2013, 03:12:06 PM
LOL best laugh all day!!!How many generations to we have to go thru to get this to stop.. We gave them land for a reason, stay on it.To add to this, they love to say they are a seperate nation, well if they truly want it that way they should have to carry passports when they leave their reservation and pass through customs.
Maybe just maybe when all the land is givin back
Post by: turbo on July 07, 2013, 04:28:05 PM