Post by: Roperfive88 on June 23, 2013, 11:56:08 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on June 24, 2013, 12:04:48 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 24, 2013, 12:09:42 AM
Post by: JoeE on June 24, 2013, 12:11:54 AM
Too many thread with the word "I drew this tag but know nothing about it" :yike: Is it that hard to research the few hunts you put in for! :bash: :bash:
you must be an expert on every GMU in the state then. Let me ask you this, did you put in for goat, sheep and moose? In each of those units are you ready today to know exactly where to harvest an animal? I put in for goat but I've not haning out in goat country scouting all the time because I'm most likely not going to draw a tag and I don't have endless time to be spending time in these units. I'm just gonna wait and draw the tag and hop on hunt-wa and find out where to go :tup:
Post by: Dbax129 on June 24, 2013, 12:21:02 AM
Post by: Roperfive88 on June 24, 2013, 12:49:41 AM
Post by: Roperfive88 on June 24, 2013, 01:01:29 AM
I don't see the issue. It's their points, they can choose where to use those points. I don't care if they ever hunted there or researched the unit. Spend your points where you want, makes no difference to me. It's not my business.True. I guess it is just my feeling on how i think about it. It sucks seeing good tags you put in for get wasted.
Post by: huntnnw on June 24, 2013, 02:24:39 AM
Post by: PolarBear on June 24, 2013, 02:36:35 AM
Post by: Eli346 on June 24, 2013, 04:16:51 AM
Post by: boneaddict on June 24, 2013, 05:54:14 AM
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In each of those units are you ready today to know exactly where to harvest an animal?
Yes
Post by: Skillet on June 24, 2013, 06:03:26 AM
What pisses me off more is those who put every member of their family in for every tag they can think of wether or not those family members want to hunt. I know a bunch of guys who put their wives and kids in for tags only to hunt themselves when drawn. :bash:
Sounds like you could have an easy 10 pts coming your way when one of their wives do draw and they kill the animal.
Post by: Skillet on June 24, 2013, 06:17:41 AM
I don't know of anyone that does that but if I did I would definitely be expressing my opinion; bullship. Most of us work to hard to get in a position to even draw a decent hunt to even consider doing something like that or letting it pass without a word. I would be giving the game dept some info such as license nos. and locations of the hunts.
WDFW assumes a success ratio when deciding the number of tags to issue for a certain area. People not filling tags - for whatever reason, no knowledge of the area included - is part of the calculus. Calling them up to report people you happen to feel are undeserving of the tag is just a fart in the wind.
Lets say there was some kind of litmus test that had to be taken, some kind of proof that a guy could make use of the tag before he applied, then the success ratios would go up for that tag. Meaning that the number of tags would have to go down. Don't think that would be better cor anybody.
Complaining about this is like complaining about the millionaire who buys a lottery ticket. It's their points, they plunked down their app fee just like everybody else involved did. Game of chance.
Post by: Bob33 on June 24, 2013, 06:23:12 AM
He was referring to party hunting, which is illegal.I don't know of anyone that does that but if I did I would definitely be expressing my opinion; bullship. Most of us work to hard to get in a position to even draw a decent hunt to even consider doing something like that or letting it pass without a word. I would be giving the game dept some info such as license nos. and locations of the hunts.
WDFW assumes a success ratio when deciding the number of tags to issue for a certain area. People not filling tags - for whatever reason, no knowledge of the area included - is part of the calculus. Calling them up to report people you happen to feel are undeserving of the tag is just a fart in the wind.
Lets say there was some kind of litmus test that had to be taken, some kind of proof that a guy could make use of the tag before he applied, then the success ratios would go up for that tag. Meaning that the number of tags would have to go down. Don't think that would be better cor anybody.
Complaining about this is like complaining about the millionaire who buys a lottery ticket. It's their points, they plunked down their app fee just like everybody else involved did. Game of chance.
Post by: westside bull on June 24, 2013, 06:24:08 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 24, 2013, 06:32:22 AM
Post by: MADMAX on June 24, 2013, 06:43:08 AM
I do it and I share what I know as well with others especially on units I have hunted that are draw only like Toutle, Margaret or Olympic.
I have met some good guys on here and think frankly thats what its all about
pass it on.
Post by: Bullkllr on June 24, 2013, 06:48:32 AM
If I put in for a tag that I was unfamiliar with I would wait until I drew the tag 1st before scouting anything ...why waste your time for nothing :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
:yeah:
For hunts I believe I have a decent chance of drawing (deer, elk, bear), I pretty much put in for units I am somewhat familiar with. For moose, sheep, and goat, not so much. No way I'm going to scout a moose unit "just in case". I may not know which exact drainage I would hunt, but I know there is access, etc. Hasn't been an issue because I've never drawn a really difficult to get tag.
Overall, I agree-there really is no issue.
Post by: runamuk on June 24, 2013, 06:51:41 AM
Yes, that's why we have HuntWa!!! :chuckle::yeah:
and in order to best utilize the resources and not have a thread dedicated to a persons lack of knowledge of gmu's its best to make a few friends here then through the private message pipeline you get all the info you need and never expose yourself to the scorn of the almighty scout your gmu before putting in for a tag..... I go with a bull almost ran my ass over in that unit so if I ever put in I will go for that one theory :chuckle: :chuckle: and if I were to win a raffle bull hunt I'd just figure out who has time to help me and go there....
its funny every year I give my number to people and an offer of help if they are in my area and just need another body to help haul, I think it would be fun. :dunno:
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 24, 2013, 06:52:07 AM
If I put in for a tag that I was unfamiliar with I would wait until I drew the tag 1st before scouting anything ...why waste your time for nothing :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:bingo. I put in for hunts I've never hunted before evey year. If I draw I will put in the time and learn the area.
Post by: Woodchuck on June 24, 2013, 06:52:57 AM
I guess I don't see the issue that some see with it.
Post by: Rooster1981 on June 24, 2013, 06:53:34 AM
Too many thread with the word "I drew this tag but know nothing about it" :yike: Is it that hard to research the few hunts you put in for! :bash: :bash:
I feel the exact opposite. I like the challenge. One of my favorite things about hunting is being in the woods and exploring. I personally don't want to ask for help. On the other hand I will gladly help any other hunter if I have info that will help on there hunt. I drew a tag this year in a unit I have never seen and I cant wait to get there and start putting leather on the ground and find elk.
Post by: boneaddict on June 24, 2013, 07:01:22 AM
The big picture is more interwoven than you might expect, with draw odds, success rates, tag choices etc. This site is an impact on all of that I promise. If it wasn't this site then it would be another.
Post by: Bullkllr on June 24, 2013, 07:04:47 AM
Post by: runamuk on June 24, 2013, 07:10:34 AM
plus there are more people period. I also think in some ways its what might save hunting by making more people aware of the threats to hunting.
Post by: jpharcher on June 24, 2013, 07:15:31 AM
Post by: Roperfive88 on June 24, 2013, 07:21:32 AM
Too many thread with the word "I drew this tag but know nothing about it" :yike: Is it that hard to research the few hunts you put in for! :bash: :bash:
I feel the exact opposite. I like the challenge. One of my favorite things about hunting is being in the woods and exploring. I personally don't want to ask for help. On the other hand I will gladly help any other hunter if I have info that will help on there hunt. I drew a tag this year in a unit I have never seen and I cant wait to get there and start putting leather on the ground and find elk.
I'm not saying you even have to have seen the area. But you need to at least know there is some where to put leather down. There are some units that are almost all private
Post by: Rooster1981 on June 24, 2013, 07:30:20 AM
I see your point, I do at least look on a map before i choose a unit. The regs have a quick look next to draw # for private or low public land units.
Post by: Falcon on June 24, 2013, 07:51:19 AM
I remember drawing the pearrygin in 04. I had read about it, but had never been there. I remember asking for some help on the MM site. A great guy met me up there to scout. He in turn drew the Quinault quality bull tag in which I knew well. I returned the favor, and went with him on his hunt.
We remain friends to this day.
I also drew a permit elk hunt this year in a unit I grew up in, but I like talking with past permitees.
Its a good thing in life to help a fellow hunter. Some guys wants their hand held, but they are the exception, not the rule.
Good Hunting!
Bryan
Post by: 2MANY on June 24, 2013, 08:12:46 AM
Too many thread with the word "I drew this tag but know nothing about it" :yike: Is it that hard to research the few hunts you put in for! :bash: :bash:
Do you put in for multiple species in every Rocky Mountain state, Washington, and Oregon?
Post by: YJ Guide Service on June 24, 2013, 08:27:14 AM
First I do know where I can go hunt the tags I put in for and i don't put in for mountian goat. Im not saying be an expert but know that you can hunt. What made me start his thread is the Prescott elk tags. Why not ask before the draw if there is any public ground with elk or is it possible to get on private ground :dunno:
Sorry Roperfive88 i thought this site was about helping other hunters and sharing knowledge. Not asking for a hot spot just an area to start with the price of gas. The units not real close. I will be spending my open weekends scouting the area and knocking on doors. Unfortunetly the unit we got drawn from was my 4th choice and didnt expect that. I help guys all the time with info on fishing and hunting and i'm a guide and do this for a living. I dont know of anyone who knows everything about all the diffrent units especially when they are in another part of the state. I help out 4 disabled hunters every year with free guided hunts through our guide service, so dont see how this is such a big deal to ask a little help from outher members of this site. Where is the help out a fellow brother in this. I guess you never ask for help on anything. I knew there was a reservation hunting area before I applied but would like to have another option to start looking at to while im down there scouting. What does it matter also if you ask before or after you draw the tag? There might be a landowner out there that is looking to have an animal harvest off his property, doesnt hurt to ask. Thanks to the guys who have offered advice on this.
Post by: westside bull on June 24, 2013, 08:29:33 AM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on June 24, 2013, 08:37:54 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 24, 2013, 08:39:07 AM
Post by: Bigshooter on June 24, 2013, 08:40:02 AM
I don't see the issue. It's their points, they can choose where to use those points. I don't care if they ever hunted there or researched the unit. Spend your points where you want, makes no difference to me. It's not my business.:yeah:
and if you don't want to help them you don' have too.
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on June 24, 2013, 08:40:43 AM
If I put in for a tag that I was unfamiliar with I would wait until I drew the tag 1st before scouting anything ...why waste your time for nothing :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:bingo. I put in for hunts I've never hunted before evey year. If I draw I will put in the time and learn the area.
:yeah:
I difference with me then most of the guys is I am not going to ask about anything but which roads or trails are open after I do some scouting via google earth.
Post by: letmhunt on June 24, 2013, 08:41:17 AM
Post by: funkster on June 24, 2013, 08:43:52 AM
Post by: jackelope on June 24, 2013, 08:44:49 AM
Too many thread with the word "I drew this tag but know nothing about it" :yike: Is it that hard to research the few hunts you put in for! :bash: :bash:
Did you tell your buddy the same thing after he drew the Watershed and you had to take him there to show him what he drew?
Post by: jjhunter on June 24, 2013, 08:48:15 AM
Post by: baker5150 on June 24, 2013, 09:08:24 AM
Which is why I think locals should get preference :chuckle:
Post by: Roperfive88 on June 24, 2013, 09:15:02 AM
He has had friends and family that have hunted it and knew there is area that he can hunt. I never said you need to know it like the back of your hand nor did i say scout it. You should at least know if there is public ground. Your can't assume you can get permission just because you drew a tagToo many thread with the word "I drew this tag but know nothing about it" :yike: Is it that hard to research the few hunts you put in for! :bash: :bash:
Did you tell your buddy the same thing after he drew the Watershed and you had to take him there to show him what he drew?
Post by: Watimberghost on June 24, 2013, 09:25:39 AM
I've helped people in the past hunt units they've never stepped foot in. For me personally, it was very rewarding to help them out.
Post by: TheHunt on June 24, 2013, 09:27:38 AM
Post by: bearpaw on June 24, 2013, 09:28:54 AM
I don't see the issue. It's their points, they can choose where to use those points. I don't care if they ever hunted there or researched the unit. Spend your points where you want, makes no difference to me. It's not my business.
Very well put, it's nobody's business, apply where ever you want.
Every year people get on here and ask for help with permits they drew. It's going to keep happening. If you're willing to help, great. If not, dont. I dont see anything productive about letting it get to you.
I've helped people in the past hunt units they've never stepped foot in. For me personally, it was very rewarding to help them out.
Very true!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 24, 2013, 09:49:12 AM
Post by: Button Nubbs on June 24, 2013, 10:02:32 AM
:yeah: I agree. Same has been said about salmon and steelhead info on websites for years.The internet has killed many salmon and steelhead fishing spots/rivers. A buddy of mine brought up a good point the other day, different techniques are very easy to learn now by fining them on the internet, making everyone more efficent. It used to be "always how, never where" I think that adage is not necessarily correct anymore.
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on June 24, 2013, 10:08:49 AM
I agree with you Roperfive88, do your home work first, I always go check out a unit first before I put in for it. Oh yeah u can become a game unit expert in this state u just have to get off your lazy a$$!!!
How does not wanting to drive 5 hours one way because of fuel cost before they draw the tag make them lazy? Someone will have more then enough time to scout an area once they get drawn. I totally agree with most of you if someone doesn't want to put in the work then then don't deserve to have and pointers. But just because you want the tag because you live in the gmu doesn't mean you are more entitled to that tag then anyone else.
I apply for the Blue mountains every year but don't hunt them during general season because I live in Any Bull units that hold good bulls. I just want a chance at that once in a lifetime bull. If I got drawn I would go down as many times as I could afford to learn the new area prior to season. I don't see why someone has to know every draw, creek and wallow to put in for a tag. I drew a general season mule deer tag in SE Utah a few years back. went down a week before season and we all tagged out. Should I have not put because I had never hunted down there?
I drew the tag did the work and killed a deer.
Post by: Houndhunter on June 24, 2013, 10:09:29 AM
It does irritate me when I see guys draw a really good tag and not put much effort out to fill a tag ive been dreaming bout drawing. But who am I to tell them what to do with THEIR tag? Im sure there'd be guys thinking that the tag I drew this year should be theirs because they know the unit better than me. Point is dont tell people what to do, if you see a thread asking for help dont post in it, that simple :twocents:
Post by: rosscrazyelk on June 24, 2013, 10:31:20 AM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on June 24, 2013, 11:57:36 AM
As an aside, it's their money and it's your time. Don't begrudge their choice, and they shouldn't begrudge your unwillingness to help out a fellow hunter.
Post by: ELKBURGER on June 24, 2013, 03:02:41 PM
Post by: bearpaw on June 24, 2013, 03:08:37 PM
Post by: CedarPants on June 24, 2013, 04:25:56 PM
I'd have no problem helping a guy like that out if it meant doing my part to introduce the heritage I have come to love to someone else. That same person could also walk away with a very bitter taste in their mouth, caused by the very same group he is trying to join. I don't see the point in having the latter be the end result :twocents:
Post by: furbearer365 on June 24, 2013, 05:07:25 PM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on June 24, 2013, 05:16:11 PM
I agree with you Roperfive88, do your home work first, I always go check out a unit first before I put in for it. Oh yeah u can become a game unit expert in this state u just have to get off your lazy a$$!!!
How does not wanting to drive 5 hours one way because of fuel cost before they draw the tag make them lazy? Someone will have more then enough time to scout an area once they get drawn. I totally agree with most of you if someone doesn't want to put in the work then then don't deserve to have and pointers. But just because you want the tag because you live in the gmu doesn't mean you are more entitled to that tag then anyone else.
I apply for the Blue mountains every year but don't hunt them during general season because I live in Any Bull units that hold good bulls. I just want a chance at that once in a lifetime bull. If I got drawn I would go down as many times as I could afford to learn the new area prior to season. I don't see why someone has to know every draw, creek and wallow to put in for a tag. I drew a general season mule deer tag in SE Utah a few years back. went down a week before season and we all tagged out. Should I have not put because I had never hunted down there?
I drew the tag did the work and killed a deer.
Have you ever been down there? The place has elk, but they aren't standing on the side of the road like people hope. I hunt there and I only apply for the GMU's i actually know because there is a lot more going into my thought process than success rates and permit numbers. I grew up hunting that place and I know the units I wont apply for and the ones I will. Weather, terrain, people, camp spots, scouting results all go into it. Its a waste of a tag to just scout for one summer and hope for the best.
I hear there are good tags in the Cascades, but I dont apply for them because I know I cant learn the area in a summer. Its far more satisfying to apply in a area you have put your blood and sweat into learning over the years and get a tag, than getting drawn and hoping someone else will guide you in the right direction. Apply for tags in areas you know you will have the best chance of success. I never ceases to amaze me whenever someone asks what the private land/ public land ratio is there. LOOK AT A FRICKIN MAP?! They are not worthy of anyones hard earned knowledge asking stupid questions like that. They only want that big rack for the wall and to be able to post pics, thats not anyone I want to pass the legacy on to.
Post by: Bob33 on June 24, 2013, 05:39:59 PM
AFTER being drawn I spent every weekend I could to prepare. I met locals, spoke with biologists, and did a lot of on the ground scouting. I drove across the state on many weekends to scout.
I took time off work to hunt and had a great experience.
Tell me again what's wrong with that.
Post by: 2MANY on June 24, 2013, 06:00:08 PM
Post by: jk on June 24, 2013, 06:11:44 PM
I think this whole thread was started by an individual that doesn't apply for 20 different special hunts. :twocents:or just didn't draw his tag and wants yo whine about it.
Post by: WAcoueshunter on June 24, 2013, 06:12:24 PM
I drew a moose permit a few years back. I had never been in the area before. I had never seen a moose in Washington in my entire life.
AFTER being drawn I spent every weekend I could to prepare. I met locals, spoke with biologists, and did a lot of on the ground scouting. I drove across the state on many weekends to scout.
I took time off work to hunt and had a great experience.
Tell me again what's wrong with that.
Nothing at all wrong with that. Several of my favorite hunting experiences have come from drawing an awesome tag in a new unit (whether in WA or elsewhere), and getting to learn a new area, new style of hunting, or a new species. That's part of the challenge and the trophy to me.
Post by: JLS on June 24, 2013, 06:14:07 PM
I drew a moose permit a few years back. I had never been in the area before. I had never seen a moose in Washington in my entire life.
AFTER being drawn I spent every weekend I could to prepare. I met locals, spoke with biologists, and did a lot of on the ground scouting. I drove across the state on many weekends to scout.
I took time off work to hunt and had a great experience.
Tell me again what's wrong with that.
Absolutely nothin! :tup:
The only time I find it aggravating is when folks apply for permits in areas that are predominantly private land. But, it's still no skin off of my nose.
Apply for whatever you want. I drew a goat tag in an area I'd never set foot in or looked at before. It worked out just fine.
Post by: Roperfive88 on June 24, 2013, 06:22:48 PM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on June 24, 2013, 06:26:28 PM
I drew a moose permit a few years back. I had never been in the area before. I had never seen a moose in Washington in my entire life.
AFTER being drawn I spent every weekend I could to prepare. I met locals, spoke with biologists, and did a lot of on the ground scouting. I drove across the state on many weekends to scout.
I took time off work to hunt and had a great experience.
Tell me again what's wrong with that.
Nothing, you cant hunt moose every year either, so no one gets to know where moose hang out unless they live in the area, or hunt there for other species. Elk and Deer are totally different.
Post by: Bob33 on June 24, 2013, 06:30:13 PM
Nothing, you cant hunt moose every year either, so no one gets to know where moose hang out unless they live in the area, or hunt there for other species. Elk and Deer are totally different.There are many individuals who have applied for quality elk and deer permits for 16+ years without being drawn, and probably never will.
Post by: Roperfive88 on June 24, 2013, 06:33:38 PM
It would suck to put in for that many years and draw a tag you couldn't hunt.Nothing, you cant hunt moose every year either, so no one gets to know where moose hang out unless they live in the area, or hunt there for other species. Elk and Deer are totally different.There are many individuals who have applied for quality elk and deer permits for 16+ years without being drawn, and probably never will.
Post by: Elkstuffer on June 24, 2013, 06:34:19 PM
I might have agreed with the first post a few years ago, but now I see no problem with a guy applying for a hunt hes never been too. Nor do I see an issue of asking for help on a tag that takes a long time to draw. How do you know the hunter or what hes about? Maybe hes a die hard hunter who's going to put in more effort than you. If you have info and don't want to share than don't.
It does irritate me when I see guys draw a really good tag and not put much effort out to fill a tag ive been dreaming bout drawing. But who am I to tell them what to do with THEIR tag? Im sure there'd be guys thinking that the tag I drew this year should be theirs because they know the unit better than me. Point is dont tell people what to do, if you see a thread asking for help dont post in it, that simple :twocents:
Well said!
Post by: Alan K on June 24, 2013, 06:38:37 PM
I might have agreed with the first post a few years ago, but now I see no problem with a guy applying for a hunt hes never been too. Nor do I see an issue of asking for help on a tag that takes a long time to draw. How do you know the hunter or what hes about? Maybe hes a die hard hunter who's going to put in more effort than you. If you have info and don't want to share than don't.Well said!
It does irritate me when I see guys draw a really good tag and not put much effort out to fill a tag ive been dreaming bout drawing. But who am I to tell them what to do with THEIR tag? Im sure there'd be guys thinking that the tag I drew this year should be theirs because they know the unit better than me. Point is dont tell people what to do, if you see a thread asking for help dont post in it, that simple :twocents:
:yeah:
Post by: jk on June 24, 2013, 06:42:18 PM
Post by: MuleySniper on June 24, 2013, 06:42:47 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 24, 2013, 06:54:59 PM
Post by: Roperfive88 on June 24, 2013, 06:55:05 PM
Hmmm,a Roper whining. . That is weird.
The steer ducked its head, i had dirt in my eye, partners fault. :chuckle:
Not whinning just stating my opinion . I started this thread off of hunt i did not apply for. People can do what they want it is there deal like i said just an opinion.
Post by: jk on June 24, 2013, 07:02:21 PM
fair enough. :-). As long as the flagger didn't screw you.Hmmm,a Roper whining. . That is weird.
The steer ducked its head, i had dirt in my eye, partners fault. :chuckle:
Not whinning just stating my opinion . I started this thread off of hunt i did not apply for. People can do what they want it is there deal like i said just an opinion.
Post by: Thrasher on June 24, 2013, 07:03:53 PM
Too many thread with the word "I drew this tag but know nothing about it" :yike: Is it that hard to research the few hunts you put in for! :bash: :bash:
I understand what you mean and I apologize if it bothers you. I have been away for quite sometime caring for an ill family member. I have been busy for quite sometime taking care of them so I haven't had time to scout like I would have liked to.
When friends asked me to join them in a special hunt, I thought what better way to take my mind off of everything that I had been dealing with for the last many years. I was really looking forward to this hunt with my friends but I can see your point somewhat. Sorry if my post bothered you about the Observatory.
Good luck everyone
Post by: Roperfive88 on June 24, 2013, 07:05:59 PM
:chuckle:fair enough. :-). As long as the flagger didn't screw you.Hmmm,a Roper whining. . That is weird.
The steer ducked its head, i had dirt in my eye, partners fault. :chuckle:
Not whinning just stating my opinion . I started this thread off of hunt i did not apply for. People can do what they want it is there deal like i said just an opinion.
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on June 24, 2013, 07:59:11 PM
Post by: Jingles on June 24, 2013, 08:12:26 PM
Post by: rtspring on June 24, 2013, 08:21:13 PM
Hey and here is an idea, maybe someday they will return the favor and help you out.
Rtspring
Post by: MADMAX on June 24, 2013, 08:24:42 PM
Dont really care! But once you draw, you best be in the woods doing your part. It is what it is. Hunters help other hunters. I hate to see good tags wasted.
Hey and here is an idea, maybe someday they will return the favor and help you out.
Rtspring
:yeah:
amen !
what goes around comes around
Post by: rtspring on June 24, 2013, 08:27:48 PM
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Post by: CedarPants on June 25, 2013, 09:40:29 AM
I've thoroughly researched and hiked every unit for every species I put in for in 6 western states. Oh and I've done all of my homework on all of the areas that I've hunted in B.C. and Alaska too. NOT! I don't have the time or resources to research every potential unit I MIGHT draw in any given year, but that's part of the fun for me, doing the research AFTER you draw a tag. I spend many hours on google earth, pouring over maps, talking with past tag holders and bio's before I ever step foot in a unit, it's all part of the experience. Apparently that is the wrong approach, so from now on I'm gonna go hike and scout every unit in the western U.S., Canada and Alaska just in case I draw a tag in the next 25 years.:yike:
:lol4:
I like this approach and am going to follow suit. I may lose my job, house, wife, and kids - but by golly I don't want to catch any flack on here so it's totally worth it and from now on everything else is on the backburner as I embark on my professional scouting career :chuckle:
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 25, 2013, 09:48:21 AM
I don't see the issue. It's their points, they can choose where to use those points. I don't care if they ever hunted there or researched the unit. Spend your points where you want, makes no difference to me. It's not my business.
:yeah: If someone doesn't know what they're doing and misses, that usually means more quality for the next one who draws. Have at it!
Post by: boneaddict on June 25, 2013, 10:02:01 AM
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I'm gonna go hike and scout every unit in the western U.S., Canada and Alaska just in case I draw a tag in the next 25 yearsCan I go along and photo assay it? It would make for a hell of a notebook.
Post by: Roperfive88 on June 25, 2013, 11:05:12 AM
I've thoroughly researched and hiked every unit for every species I put in for in 6 western states. Oh and I've done all of my homework on all of the areas that I've hunted in B.C. and Alaska too. NOT! I don't have the time or resources to research every potential unit I MIGHT draw in any given year, but that's part of the fun for me, doing the research AFTER you draw a tag. I spend many hours on google earth, pouring over maps, talking with past tag holders and bio's before I ever step foot in a unit, it's all part of the experience. Apparently that is the wrong approach, so from now on I'm gonna go hike and scout every unit in the western U.S., Canada and Alaska just in case I draw a tag in the next 25 years.:yike:So your telling me you put in for units in six states and do not know if you will have hunting access if you draw. I doubt you put in for tags in six states and don't know you have a chance at a quality animal if you draw and Read some of my posts in this threads I don't think you need to scout the western us for all the tags you put in for but know there is land you can hunt. So question for you if you draw a bull tag in another state would you be happy shooting 200 in bull or a rag horn for the money you will pay to travel and buy tags?
Post by: npaull on June 25, 2013, 11:17:35 AM
Calm down.
Post by: 724wd on June 25, 2013, 11:35:27 AM
So question for you if you draw a bull tag in another state would you be happy shooting 200 in bull or a rag horn for the money you will pay to travel and buy tags?
not everyone views inches equating success. some want the time spent afield pursuing their quarry over killing a 'big' animal, no matter the dollar amount.
through your posts, you appear angry that someone other than a local, born-and-bred true-born son would DARE put in for a tag in a unit they've not grown up in, hunted every year, and know each landowner by name. To some reading this, you come off as jealous. Is that what you're having a problem with? that someone OTHER than you was fortunate enough to draw a tag that you've put in for for year and yet to draw? are you the type of person that just can't stand it when an old person wins the lottery? "But they'll DIE soon! I would enjoy that money (tag) SO much more! I DESERVE IT!"
Lots of people, when they draw a sought-after tag out of their 'home' area, will only hunt that area the one time. they are not the locals that flood the woods every fall seeking spikes in a sea of bulls and cows. They are the guys that travel from different parts of the state/US for what has become almost an OIL tag. and instead of helping them gain access to that hard-to-get-on land, you're here berating them for not knowing all the intricacies of any given GMU. Lots of land owners in the desirable GMUs will help out those lucky tag recipients because they know those guys aren't knocking on their doors every year, bringing their extended family for hunts on prime land.
I guess the one thing I've come to realize over the years is, THEY drew the tag. Not you. and that's OK! if they don't fill their tag, what's it to you? it's THEIR tag. it's up to THEM to do with it what THEY want. If they want to burn a dayton/tucannon/weneha tag on a spike or forked horn bull, GREAT! THEY made that decision! why can't we be happy that someone has the opportunity to chase an animal as beautiful as an elk in this state?
just my :twocents:
Post by: Roperfive88 on June 25, 2013, 11:37:54 AM
Post by: norsepeak on June 25, 2013, 11:52:34 AM
I've thoroughly researched and hiked every unit for every species I put in for in 6 western states. Oh and I've done all of my homework on all of the areas that I've hunted in B.C. and Alaska too. NOT! I don't have the time or resources to research every potential unit I MIGHT draw in any given year, but that's part of the fun for me, doing the research AFTER you draw a tag. I spend many hours on google earth, pouring over maps, talking with past tag holders and bio's before I ever step foot in a unit, it's all part of the experience. Apparently that is the wrong approach, so from now on I'm gonna go hike and scout every unit in the western U.S., Canada and Alaska just in case I draw a tag in the next 25 years.:yike:So your telling me you put in for units in six states and do not know if you will have hunting access if you draw. I doubt you put in for tags in six states and don't know you have a chance at a quality animal if you draw and Read some of my posts in this threads I don't think you need to scout the western us for all the tags you put in for but know there is land you can hunt. So question for you if you draw a bull tag in another state would you be happy shooting 200 in bull or a rag horn for the money you will pay to travel and buy tags?
I put in for tags on public ground, pretty sure I'll have access. Would I shoot a 200" bull on a tag out of state? No, but I sure would have a great time putting in the max amount of time and effort I could chasing him and setting new country.
Post by: YJ Guide Service on June 25, 2013, 11:53:36 AM
Post by: Roperfive88 on June 25, 2013, 11:58:56 AM
ISo question for you if you draw a bull tag in another state would you be happy shooting 200 in bull or a rag horn for the money you will pay to travel and buy tags?
not everyone views inches equating success. some want the time spent afield pursuing their quarry over killing a 'big' animal, no matter the dollar amount.
through your posts, you appear angry that someone other than a local, born-and-bred true-born son would DARE put in for a tag in a unit they've not grown up in, hunted every year, and know each landowner by name. To some reading this, you come off as jealous. Is that what you're having a problem with? that someone OTHER than you was fortunate enough to draw a tag that you've put in for for year and yet to draw? are you the type of person that just can't stand it when an old person wins the lottery? "But they'll DIE soon! I would enjoy that money (tag) SO much more! I DESERVE IT!"
Lots of people, when they draw a sought-after tag out of their 'home' area, will only hunt that area the one time. they are not the locals that flood the woods every fall seeking spikes in a sea of bulls and cows. They are the guys that travel from different parts of the state/US for what has become almost an OIL tag. and instead of helping them gain access to that hard-to-get-on land, you're here berating them for not knowing all the intricacies of any given GMU. Lots of land owners in the desirable GMUs will help out those lucky tag recipients because they know those guys aren't knocking on their doors every year, bringing their extended family for hunts on prime land.
I guess the one thing I've come to realize over the years is, THEY drew the tag. Not you. and that's OK! if they don't fill their tag, what's it to you? it's THEIR tag. it's up to THEM to do with it what THEY want. If they want to burn a dayton/tucannon/weneha tag on a spike or forked horn bull, GREAT! THEY made that decision! why can't we be happy that someone has the opportunity to chase an animal as beautiful as an elk in this state?
just my :twocents:
Read all my posts if you want to make that assumption? I helped a guy out last year not from around the area and he not little about the unit but knew there was plenty of ground to hunt but not where. Had a blast and would do it again I started this tread off of a gmu I didnt put in for. What I am talking about is I guess is people putting in for units that the opportunity to wear out some boot leather is not there. Sorry my first post wasn't more clear. Hunters can do what they want just my opinion.
Post by: Woodchuck on June 25, 2013, 12:03:20 PM
Post by: JLS on June 25, 2013, 12:06:20 PM
So question for you if you draw a bull tag in another state would you be happy shooting 200 in bull or a rag horn for the money you will pay to travel and buy tags?
Yes 8)
Post by: Roperfive88 on June 25, 2013, 12:24:59 PM
4 pages over asking someone for help in an elk area that they might not have expected to draw on a forum, wow. Thanks to the guys who arent affraid to share a little info for us rookies to get started. I have never hunted elk, I hunt everything else but. Usually dont have time that time of year. I didnt draw a big bull tag its a cow tag lol all this over that...Dont understand it...Most landowners that have alot of elk usually want their cow heard reduced every year, not just bulls and there is a limited number of cow tags to boot. We arent looking to to take one of the few spikes or big bulls, just a cow. Sorry for asking.I would help you if I could. Your best bet is to get a hold of the tree farm and ask but he has been telling people no because the didn't ask before the draw.. I just say ask about it before yo put it. Prescott is labled with mostly private ground in the regs. Farmers complain about elk all the time and you would think they would let you hunt and it amazes me how often they don't.
Post by: Roperfive88 on June 25, 2013, 12:34:30 PM
Roper, go back and read your very first post. There is a lot to be said for presentation. :twocents: If you had posted closer to your last post I don't think you would be taking nearly as much heat. :dunno:I agree.
Post by: YJ Guide Service on June 25, 2013, 02:27:25 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 25, 2013, 02:58:58 PM
4 pages over asking someone for help in an elk area that they might not have expected to draw on a forum, wow. Thanks to the guys who arent affraid to share a little info for us rookies to get started. I have never hunted elk, I hunt everything else but. Usually dont have time that time of year. I didnt draw a big bull tag its a cow tag lol all this over that...Dont understand it...Most landowners that have alot of elk usually want their cow heard reduced every year, not just bulls and there is a limited number of cow tags to boot. We arent looking to to take one of the few spikes or big bulls, just a cow. Sorry for asking.
The forum has been really weird the last couple of days. I thinks it's a combination of the full moon and lots of frustrated hunters waiting for a season after they waited for their special tag results for so long. There's also been some tragedy lately and it's taken it's toll on quite a few. It's showing up in lots of other threads, as well. You do tend to get the odd self-righteous chest thumper occasionally, just like anywhere else.
This forum is actually a great place to post, normally.
One thing that happens each year is people asking for tips on areas they're going to hunt. "Hey, please save me the leg work and tell me where to find my elk" is basically what some come asking. I'm not saying that about this thread. I don't have a problem with it and figure that if I don't like it, I won't respond. Sometimes people get good information through PMs. Some handle it differently and get all irate and bothered. To each their own. If you go through past threads, there's actually quite a bit of information to be gleaned. Understand that normally, this is a great website and forum. I've found few like it. Happy hunting! :tup:
Post by: boneaddict on June 25, 2013, 07:49:27 PM
What's the point of a forum if not to exchange information? I've never understood people who get all pissed just because someone asks for help. You'd think they charge us every time someone posts a "help me out with this tag" thread...
Calm down.
a perspective some may not note. Someone on here asked for help for a tag the other day, several posts later a helpful member says check out spot A, its a great place. Well, it is a great place and approxiamately 10,000 people just saw it, some may already know, some may not care and some will be enlightened. Not to mention for the next 30 years you might be able to google or search and whoop there it is. Wonder how that cool spot will be now. :) Good thing is, I have more. ;)
It was pretty innocent and nice, but really just screwed a spot that wasn't real well known.
Post by: Alan K on June 25, 2013, 07:57:54 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on June 25, 2013, 08:01:32 PM
Best way to do it is the PM someone if you're getting into specific locations. I've help lots of guys with what I know as far as places go, and many have helped me in the same way. . . By PM!
:yeah:
Nothing wrong with asking or sharing, just be mindful of what is shared on the open forum.
Post by: dreamingbig on June 25, 2013, 08:05:20 PM
What's the point of a forum if not to exchange information? I've never understood people who get all pissed just because someone asks for help. You'd think they charge us every time someone posts a "help me out with this tag" thread...
Calm down.
a perspective some may not note. Someone on here asked for help for a tag the other day, several posts later a helpful member says check out spot A, its a great place. Well, it is a great place and approxiamately 10,000 people just saw it, some may already know, some may not care and some will be enlightened. Not to mention for the next 30 years you might be able to google or search and whoop there it is. Wonder how that cool spot will be now. :) Good thing is, I have more. ;)
It was pretty innocent and nice, but really just screwed a spot that wasn't real well known.
Yeah that! Leave it to PMs.