Post by: Yankee on June 24, 2013, 05:42:13 PM
Post by: Mudman on June 24, 2013, 05:49:12 PM
Post by: demontang on June 24, 2013, 09:56:21 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on June 24, 2013, 10:00:17 PM
-Steve
Post by: huntnnw on June 24, 2013, 11:05:36 PM
Post by: Skillet on June 24, 2013, 11:26:58 PM
Post by: Mudman on June 24, 2013, 11:43:40 PM
never in a miilion years would I use a climber here...cut off every limb all the way up the tree! no cover now and sound like a log truck going up the tree..not what I call slipping into your stand hour before light. I hanf mine months in advance,, I pull 3 or 4 spikes out of the tree and use a cable lockI don't have issues. Granted I cant climb every tree I want to. Pick the right tree for your application. A lot of times I have prepped the tree or climbed it before. On a rainy windy morning sound disappears. I do hike into new and find trees to climb quiet as well.
Post by: Yankee on June 25, 2013, 06:32:37 AM
Post by: CP on June 25, 2013, 06:35:16 AM
Thanks guys. Not sure what I'd do if I found someone sitting in my stand!
You could quietly move on and hunt somewhere else. Once you put it on public land it is no longer “your stand”.
Post by: Yankee on June 25, 2013, 07:50:58 AM
Post by: Elkrunner on June 25, 2013, 08:05:55 AM
Post by: birdstew on June 25, 2013, 08:07:56 AM
•Building blinds, tree stands, camps -- no digging pits to create waterfowl blinds; no cutting trees or attaching wire, staples or nails to trees to build blinds, stands, camps; all non-natural materials used must be removed at end of hunting season; unattended blinds are available to public on “first-come-first-serve” basis; camp structures must be removed at end of trip.
Post by: Yankee on June 25, 2013, 08:12:57 AM
Post by: CP on June 25, 2013, 08:13:33 AM
Are we really going to start this now?
Why not. :beatdeadhorse:
Post by: nocklehead on June 25, 2013, 08:14:19 AM
whatever you do, be careful and wear a harness, and beer and treestands dont mix!
Post by: Mudman on June 25, 2013, 08:31:24 AM
Post by: CP on June 25, 2013, 08:38:04 AM
Get a climber. Solves most of these problems. :twocents::yeah:
I don’t stand hunt, stands bore me, but if was to do so on public land I would opt for a stand that comes down every day and I’d pack it in and out. Putting up a stand and leaving it just draws attention to the spot.
Even if the stand is yours the tree that it is in isn’t exclusively yours and the land that it oversees isn’t exclusively yours. Others can, and will, hunt that spot and if they are there before you hunting etiquette is for you to move on. A portable stand would allow to move on to spot B or C.
Post by: fastdam on June 25, 2013, 08:42:19 AM
Post by: Yankee on June 25, 2013, 08:43:21 AM
Post by: Elkrunner on June 25, 2013, 09:05:26 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on June 25, 2013, 09:25:05 AM
Thanks guys. Not sure what I'd do if I found someone sitting in my stand!
You could quietly move on and hunt somewhere else. Once you put it on public land it is no longer “your stand”.
It seems that the legal vs. ethical debates are the most heated discussions on here.
Some folks cling to the ethics side, "is it ethical to sit in a treestand setup by another?" most of us agree that it isn't ethical. Swooping in and capitalizing on anothers scouting and hard work is exactly why we all laugh at the "not looking for honey holes just a good starting point" threads.
Others like to point out that it is perfectly legal to sit in another's stand. Maybe to poke the "Ethics Crowd" or because they only see the world logically...who knows. Yes it's perfectly legal for you to sit in my treestand.
As far as I know it's perfectly legal to shoot a choc lab puppy (11 wks) who wanders over to a neighbors yard and is chasing their stupid ducks. Legal...yes. Ethical :dunno: you tell me.
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 25, 2013, 09:37:37 AM
Post by: CedarPants on June 25, 2013, 09:51:42 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 25, 2013, 09:57:28 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on June 25, 2013, 10:00:01 AM
Thanks guys. Not sure what I'd do if I found someone sitting in my stand!
You could quietly move on and hunt somewhere else. Once you put it on public land it is no longer “your stand”.
It seems that the legal vs. ethical debates are the most heated discussions on here.
Some folks cling to the ethics side, "is it ethical to sit in a treestand setup by another?" most of us agree that it isn't ethical. Swooping in and capitalizing on anothers scouting and hard work is exactly why we all laugh at the "not looking for honey holes just a good starting point" threads.
Others like to point out that it is perfectly legal to sit in another's stand. Maybe to poke the "Ethics Crowd" or because they only see the world logically...who knows. Yes it's perfectly legal for you to sit in my treestand.
As far as I know it's perfectly legal to shoot a choc lab puppy (11 wks) who wanders over to a neighbors yard and is chasing their stupid ducks. Legal...yes. Ethical :dunno: you tell me.
I think the big difference for me would be the type of stand/blind. If I had a hanging tree stand that somebody was sitting in, I would probably say something if I came in and found them sitting in it because it is MY PROPERTY. If I built a ground blind or something and came up to someone sitting in it then that would be different because I built it from the resources. I have actually had people using ground blinds that I built during duck hunting. It was frustrating but I just moved to another spot.
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 25, 2013, 10:09:56 AM
Post by: Hilltop123 on June 25, 2013, 10:14:42 AM
Post by: fastdam on June 25, 2013, 11:30:55 AM
I would never sit in another persons stand. If I found someone in my stand it would be coming down with them in it or not. Just because I park my car in a public parking lot doesn't mean you can sit in it.
Sounds pretty reasonable.
Post by: BsB on June 25, 2013, 02:15:35 PM
I'm not condoning theft, but who's to stop someone from using it and then claiming it as theirs? After all possession is 9/10ths of the law. I know that's not legal speak but it is on you to prove that it is in fact yours. Unless you have a trail cam watching your stand. Whats more important the animal you are hunting or someone trying to steal your stand? If its the stand, then it would behoove you to take it with you when you leave.
Even someone bringing their own tree stand out and placing it just below yours preventing access for you. (Yes I've seen two stands in the same tree before both empty.) Snooze you lose? Yes its a dick move but not everyone I've come across in the woods has been cordial with me during hunting season. It only takes one bad guy to ruin everyone else's reputation. It would be nice if you could trust everyone but unfortunately it doesn't happen that way.
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Post by: CedarPants on June 25, 2013, 02:26:32 PM
Even someone bringing their own tree stand out and placing it just below yours preventing access for you. (Yes I've seen two stands in the same tree before both empty.)
I've seen that setup used many times. One is usually for the camera man :tup:
Post by: hughjorgan on June 25, 2013, 04:53:22 PM
If you don't want people to use it then don't leave it. Pack it in, pack it out. A tree stand weighs what? 20-25lbs? Sounds simple to me. :dunno: You don't leave your car in a public parking lot with the doors unlocked, windows down and the keys in the ignition do you? No you secure it or have some sort of way to disable it when you are not in it ie: low-jack, car alarm, steering wheel club, battery/starter kill switch or even locking it up to deter theft or unauthorized use.
I'm not condoning theft, but who's to stop someone from using it and then claiming it as theirs? After all possession is 9/10ths of the law. I know that's not legal speak but it is on you to prove that it is in fact yours. Unless you have a trail cam watching your stand. Whats more important the animal you are hunting or someone trying to steal your stand? If its the stand, then it would behoove you to take it with you when you leave.
Even someone bringing their own tree stand out and placing it just below yours preventing access for you. (Yes I've seen two stands in the same tree before both empty.) Snooze you lose? Yes its a dick move but not everyone I've come across in the woods has been cordial with me during hunting season. It only takes one bad guy to ruin everyone else's reputation. It would be nice if you could trust everyone but unfortunately it doesn't happen that way.
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So you are saying if I left my truck unlocked you would climb in and help yourself like it was yours. Sounds like a bad idea to me. Probably end poorly for you like it would if you were sitting in my tree stand that I own and refuse to get out of my stand. It is one thing if you build a stand on public ground but if you are bold enough to use some one else's tree stand that they bought and hung, you are asking for trouble.
Post by: Hilltop123 on June 25, 2013, 05:12:16 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on June 25, 2013, 05:14:55 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on June 25, 2013, 05:21:15 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on June 25, 2013, 05:24:13 PM
I am getting really tired of this debate, year after year.................................If you build it, erect it, dig it, leave it.....And,it's on public land it's fair game. You don't have to like it, but it is just the way it is....
So if I leave my tent unattended while out hunting that would be fair game by your logic?
Post by: Hilltop123 on June 25, 2013, 05:33:50 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on June 25, 2013, 05:45:11 PM
No where in the hunting regs, does it mention anything about your tent, car, truck, fruit of your looms, if you can't read the regulations, and get a basic understanding............no wonder Obummer got elected twice
It's called respecting others property, try it some time!
If some one hangs a stand on public ground, it does NOT become public property.
Post by: Hilltop123 on June 25, 2013, 05:48:05 PM
No where in the hunting regs, does it mention anything about your tent, car, truck, fruit of your looms, if you can't read the regulations, and get a basic understanding............no wonder Obummer got elected twice
It's called respecting others property, try it some time!
If some one hangs a stand on public ground, it does NOT become public property.
Now you are getting into the ethic, over the regs.....you are aware of the difference?
Post by: BsB on June 25, 2013, 05:50:16 PM
So you are saying if I left my truck unlocked you would climb in and help yourself like it was yours. Sounds like a bad idea to me. Probably end poorly for you like it would if you were sitting in my tree stand that I own and refuse to get out of my stand. It is one thing if you build a stand on public ground but if you are bold enough to use some one else's tree stand that they bought and hung, you are asking for trouble.
Me personally? No. I have higher morals than that. But if you are careless about how you treat what you spend your hard earned money on, then that to me, says something about your morals. You dgaf. No offense.
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Post by: Button Nubbs on June 25, 2013, 06:20:32 PM
so if a guy accidentally leaves his truck unlocked he has bad morals? :rolleyes: ok mr. perfect...
So you are saying if I left my truck unlocked you would climb in and help yourself like it was yours. Sounds like a bad idea to me. Probably end poorly for you like it would if you were sitting in my tree stand that I own and refuse to get out of my stand. It is one thing if you build a stand on public ground but if you are bold enough to use some one else's tree stand that they bought and hung, you are asking for trouble.
Me personally? No. I have higher morals than that. But if you are careless about how you treat what you spend your hard earned money on, then that to me, says something about your morals. You dgaf. No offense.
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Post by: fastdam on June 25, 2013, 06:25:52 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on June 25, 2013, 06:29:11 PM
Post by: BsB on June 25, 2013, 06:40:13 PM
so if a guy accidentally leaves his truck unlocked he has bad morals? :rolleyes: ok mr. perfect...Heh, also I don't go around checking for unlocked vehicle doors. On the other hand a sure sign someone is in your stand, is when you find a rig at your hunting entrance, with unlocked doors windows down and keys in the ignition. They were in a hurry to beat you to your stand and were obviously blind to the fact they left all three mentioned items were not secured prior to leaving. Or a bait car setup by the police. Or something worse. Never said I was perfect, but it doesn't hurt to try. But I digress. I for one, would not leave a stand on public land.
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Post by: Smossy on June 25, 2013, 06:41:22 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on June 25, 2013, 06:45:26 PM
No where in the hunting regs, does it mention anything about your tent, car, truck, fruit of your looms, if you can't read the regulations, and get a basic understanding............no wonder Obummer got elected twice
It's called respecting others property, try it some time!
If some one hangs a stand on public ground, it does NOT become public property.
Now you are getting into the ethic, over the regs.....you are aware of the difference?
No, I am not. The regs don't say much about treestands use and what it does say pertains to DNR.
As the regs state on page 98, "Only tree stands that cause no permanent damage to trees should be used on state lands."
From WDFW website pertaining to tree stand use, "Building blinds, tree stands, camps -- no digging pits to create waterfowl blinds; no cutting trees or attaching wire, staples or nails to trees to build blinds, stands, camps; all non-natural materials used must be removed at end of hunting season; unattended blinds are available to public on “first-come-first-serve” basis; camp structures must be removed at end of trip."
http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/public_conduct_rules/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/public_conduct_rules/)
Forest Service land differs per district you are hunting.
Go head and keep trying to BS everyone here about being able to use someone's stand that they have bought and hung TEMPORARILY on public land. It seems that you are confusing your opinion with the regulations printed by the WDFW.
Post by: hughjorgan on June 25, 2013, 06:48:24 PM
So you are saying if I left my truck unlocked you would climb in and help yourself like it was yours. Sounds like a bad idea to me. Probably end poorly for you like it would if you were sitting in my tree stand that I own and refuse to get out of my stand. It is one thing if you build a stand on public ground but if you are bold enough to use some one else's tree stand that they bought and hung, you are asking for trouble.
Me personally? No. I have higher morals than that. But if you are careless about how you treat what you spend your hard earned money on, then that to me, says something about your morals. You dgaf. No offense.
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:tup:
Post by: BsB on June 25, 2013, 06:50:58 PM
Not to sound like a tree hugger (i work in the woods), but your telling me that cutting branches for a "climber stand" or attaching 2x4 or 2x6 what have you type stand to a tree with nails, screws or lags doesn't damage the tree?
No, I am not. The regs don't say much about treestands use and what it does say pertains to DNR.
As the regs state on page 98, "Only tree stands that cause no permanent damage to trees should be used on state lands."
From WDFW website pertaining to tree stand use, "Building blinds, tree stands, camps -- no digging pits to create waterfowl blinds; no cutting trees or attaching wire, staples or nails to trees to build blinds, stands, camps; all non-natural materials used must be removed at end of hunting season; unattended blinds are available to public on “first-come-first-serve” basis; camp structures must be removed at end of trip."
http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/public_conduct_rules/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/public_conduct_rules/)
Forest Service land differs per district you are hunting.
Go head and keep trying to BS everyone here about being able to use someone's stand that they have bought and hung TEMPORARILY on public land. It seems that you are confusing your opinion with the regulations printed by the WDFW.
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Post by: hughjorgan on June 25, 2013, 06:57:11 PM
Not to sound like a tree hugger (i work in the woods), but your telling me that cutting branches for a "climber stand" or attaching 2x4 or 2x6 what have you type stand to a tree with nails, screws or lags doesn't damage the tree?
No, I am not. The regs don't say much about treestands use and what it does say pertains to DNR.
As the regs state on page 98, "Only tree stands that cause no permanent damage to trees should be used on state lands."
From WDFW website pertaining to tree stand use, "Building blinds, tree stands, camps -- no digging pits to create waterfowl blinds; no cutting trees or attaching wire, staples or nails to trees to build blinds, stands, camps; all non-natural materials used must be removed at end of hunting season; unattended blinds are available to public on “first-come-first-serve” basis; camp structures must be removed at end of trip."
http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/public_conduct_rules/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/lands/public_conduct_rules/)
Forest Service land differs per district you are hunting.
Go head and keep trying to BS everyone here about being able to use someone's stand that they have bought and hung TEMPORARILY on public land. It seems that you are confusing your opinion with the regulations printed by the WDFW.
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There are alternatives to screwing steps into trees, I wouldn't consider cutting branches as damaging to the tree. I have come across some permanent stands that are attached to dead trees. I assume the trees were dead when they built the stand.
Post by: CedarPants on June 25, 2013, 07:13:49 PM
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on June 25, 2013, 07:18:39 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on June 25, 2013, 07:33:11 PM
Meanwhile over at endhuntingnow.com they are once again rolling in their chairs at yet another endless internal debate amongst the hunting community ...........
I don't see it as a debate, but rather a take on ones personal ethics and education on rules pertaining to different land ownership.
Post by: CedarPants on June 25, 2013, 07:40:53 PM
Meanwhile over at endhuntingnow.com they are once again rolling in their chairs at yet another endless internal debate amongst the hunting community ...........
I don't see it as a debate, but rather a take on ones personal ethics and education on rules pertaining to different land ownership.
I'm with ya to be honest :tup:
Post by: fastdam on June 25, 2013, 09:19:21 PM
a game cam or stand has a reason for being there. a tv knife or gun serves no purpose unattended and in the woods. terrible analogy
no its a great analogy.if you want to be in control of your property then dont put it down in public and walk away for days at a time. Its a fantasy to think it will be safe, just because its marketed as a "trail" cam. Its like any other camera. Leave it laying around and you roll the dice. Same goes for your tree chair. If someone else shows up there first they may not appreciate someone thinking they can reserve a spot with some plastic gadget.
Post by: swwaoutdoorsman on June 25, 2013, 09:22:56 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on June 25, 2013, 09:48:23 PM
I'm hunting eastern WA elk and have a decent spot picked out with a game camera set up for early season. I know I need to get a stand in there early enough for the wildlife to get used to any disturbance it might cause in the initial set up. I'm more curious about the risk of getting it jacked or messed with by other two-legged creatures that might stumble across it.
You can put it up whenever you'd like but if I'm not mistaken, it's not legal to leave them up for extended periods. Gotta come and go with the hunter the way I understand it.
Post by: Yankee on June 25, 2013, 10:13:39 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on June 25, 2013, 10:25:47 PM
I don't think my stuff is gonna be safe that's why I take precautions for potential theft. Its honestly mind boggling to think it ok to sit in someone else's stand or touch others things. Mom must have skipped that day.a game cam or stand has a reason for being there. a tv knife or gun serves no purpose unattended and in the woods. terrible analogy
no its a great analogy.if you want to be in control of your property then dont put it down in public and walk away for days at a time. Its a fantasy to think it will be safe, just because its marketed as a "trail" cam. Its like any other camera. Leave it laying around and you roll the dice. Same goes for your tree chair. If someone else shows up there first they may not appreciate someone thinking they can reserve a spot with some plastic gadget.
Post by: pope on June 25, 2013, 10:39:36 PM
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Then remove your climbing ladder/sticks and just leave a rope hanging from your stand. Your average thief won't be able to climb the rope. When it's time to hunt, just climb the rope like this:
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Your stand will be right where you left it and nobody will occupy it. Problem solved.
Post by: sakoshooter on June 25, 2013, 10:59:31 PM
I know some guys that have built permanent elevated stands and think that everything within rifle range belongs to them. Many of these stands are an eye sore and even ruin a good spot sometimes.
Like I said, I wouldn't sit in another person's stand but I also believe ethics means that it should be packed in and out as needed. Forcing everyone to hunt elsewhere just because you hung a stand or staked a ground blind doesn't seem right in my opinion.
Post by: huntnnw on June 25, 2013, 11:54:55 PM
Now if I came upon my stand and it was visible that I had set it up that years and theres a trail cam running and possibly bait out and some dude is in it..he better hope he can jump or hes going to be stuck in it.. I would start pulling spikes or if ladder steps even better Id unstrap the sticks and down it comes and Id leave you in it! have fun ;)
Post by: madmack76 on June 26, 2013, 12:01:41 AM
in the same sense I know of two stands that have been up for atleast 7 years and never used so how does what then is it just a tree decoration I know this cause they are close to my property and have trail cams on them year round.No where in the hunting regs, does it mention anything about your tent, car, truck, fruit of your looms, if you can't read the regulations, and get a basic understanding............no wonder Obummer got elected twice
It's called respecting others property, try it some time!
If some one hangs a stand on public ground, it does NOT become public property.
Post by: Smossy on June 26, 2013, 12:56:01 AM
Post by: hughjorgan on June 26, 2013, 12:33:09 PM
in the same sense I know of two stands that have been up for atleast 7 years and never used so how does what then is it just a tree decoration I know this cause they are close to my property and have trail cams on them year round.No where in the hunting regs, does it mention anything about your tent, car, truck, fruit of your looms, if you can't read the regulations, and get a basic understanding............no wonder Obummer got elected twice
It's called respecting others property, try it some time!
If some one hangs a stand on public ground, it does NOT become public property.
I have found a dozen or more permanent stands on USFS land where I hunt. According to federal regulations they are illegal. Permanent stands on other public ground like DNR and WDFW are also illegal. If some one puts up a hang on stand and leaves it up for years with out taking it down, I would think it reasonable to believe that it would be considered permanent, therefore making it illegal.
Post by: Nice Racks on June 30, 2013, 07:00:45 PM
Post by: Yankee on July 01, 2013, 06:05:50 AM
Post by: Nice Racks on July 01, 2013, 12:48:07 PM
Bummer.... Was your camera real obvious? Maybe just an honest mistake? I'm trying to have 2-3 back up spots in case the same thing happens.
I like to think it was an honest mistake, but the clearing he or she did was just feet away from my camera. Oh well, just one cow pic on it anyways. I went to a different spot after that and got some really good pics of some shooters. I'll load those up tonight and post them.