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Title: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 25, 2013, 01:56:47 PM: I am thinking of selling my glock 30 and possibly picking up a Kimber ultra carry. Anyone have input? I am pretty stuck on a compact 45. I have had my glock for a few years and seems like it just doesn't fit me.
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: mrolen on June 25, 2013, 02:06:33 PM: Im a glock guy but if the gun does not fit you well your not going to shoot it good so i would give the 1911 a try
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: superdown on June 25, 2013, 02:08:39 PM: I sold my glock 20 and bought a Kimber eclipse custom II full size. I couldn't be happier with my choice i am also looking at a Kimber compact but i am interested in the stainless ultra raptor II. I wish they would offer a bobtail version.
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 25, 2013, 02:13:53 PM: I shoot it well enough... just never felt like it fits my hand well... each time I pick up a 1911 it just feels like it fits... though I haven't shot many 1911s.
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: MP123 on June 25, 2013, 02:17:17 PM: Is this for a CCW or just general use? Carrying cocked and locked takes a little getting used to, the Glock might have an advantage there depending on how you feel about that. I love shooting my 5" Kimber though, I think the 1911 works better as a full size gun.
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: mrolen on June 25, 2013, 02:18:33 PM: Its hard to beat a design that has proven its self for over a 100 years
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: 300rum on June 25, 2013, 02:23:53 PM: There is compact, then there is subcompact. I think you are talking about a subcompact with a 3" barrel. The reason I say this is in a 1911, .45acp, subcompacts can be very finicky as you have a whole lot going on in a very short window of time. The pistol fires, slide comes back very quickly and has to strip a round very quickly with less mass to do it with (then a 5" slide). Basically some .45 1911 subcompacts or bullpups are good, some are jammomatics.

Personally, as much as I like 1911's, I would stick to the Glocks/Springfields, etc. in a subcompact. OR, try a subcompact 1911 in 9mm. As far as a compact pistol (4-4.5" barrel), 1911 .45's are (usually) excellent.

I have shot a few subcompacts, some run, some don't and others run when clean and wet (oiled) and some don't run well even then.
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 25, 2013, 02:24:35 PM: Quote from: MP123 on June 25, 2013, 02:17:17 PM
Is this for a CCW or just general use? Carrying cocked and locked takes a little getting used to, the Glock might have an advantage there depending on how you feel about that. I love shooting my 5" Kimber though, I think the 1911 works better as a full size gun.
for all around use. I don't see it much different with the 1911 locker and cocked with the safety on versus the glock with a loaded chamber.
Is there a major difference? Other than the hammer?
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: 300rum on June 25, 2013, 02:27:03 PM: Just trigger pull. The bugger picker is the best safety.

Quote from: BULLBLASTER on June 25, 2013, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: MP123 on June 25, 2013, 02:17:17 PM
Is this for a CCW or just general use? Carrying cocked and locked takes a little getting used to, the Glock might have an advantage there depending on how you feel about that. I love shooting my 5" Kimber though, I think the 1911 works better as a full size gun.
for all around use. I don't see it much different with the 1911 locker and cocked with the safety on versus the glock with a loaded chamber.
Is there a major difference? Other than the hammer?
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: MP123 on June 25, 2013, 02:28:29 PM: Quote from: BULLBLASTER on June 25, 2013, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: MP123 on June 25, 2013, 02:17:17 PM
Is this for a CCW or just general use? Carrying cocked and locked takes a little getting used to, the Glock might have an advantage there depending on how you feel about that. I love shooting my 5" Kimber though, I think the 1911 works better as a full size gun.
for all around use. I don't see it much different with the 1911 locker and cocked with the safety on versus the glock with a loaded chamber.
Is there a major difference? Other than the hammer?

It's more psychological than anything. The cocked hammer over a loaded chamber gives some people the willys. There's a safety though, and a grip safety too. Remember it's single action only so you pretty much have to carry it that way if you want it instantly available.
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 25, 2013, 02:30:43 PM: But they have a positive firing pin block that disengages the firing pin unless grip safety is depressed. So even a hammer falling without the grip safety depressed will not fire... in theory... I agree the booger picker and safety between brains is paramount.
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: h20hunter on June 25, 2013, 02:31:48 PM: Well all know both Kimber and Glock will get the job done. I've shot some of both that I shoot lights out and some of both that just don't fit me and I would be better off throwing the gun at the bad guy. I'm a Kimber fan and have shot the Ultra Carry as well as the compact version of the Eclipse...both great shooters. If you are interested I'd say go for it...can't really go wrong with either when it all boils down to the basics: Will you be able to shoot if the you know what hits the fan and when it does, will you shoot what you are aiming at. Everything else is just window dressing.
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: MP123 on June 25, 2013, 02:36:30 PM: Quote from: BULLBLASTER on June 25, 2013, 02:30:43 PM
But they have a positive firing pin block that disengages the firing pin unless grip safety is depressed. So even a hammer falling without the grip safety depressed will not fire... in theory... I agree the booger picker and safety between brains is paramount.

Yup, there's the thumb safety, the grip safety, and the firing pin block. There's also a half cock notch to catch the falling hammer if the sear breaks (in theory at least). Of course you need all those safetys because it's all set to go off...

I'm not knocking the 1911, it's my favorite pistol by far. Just saying SAO does take a little getting used to particularly if you're going to carry it concealled all day everyday...
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: magnanimous_j on June 25, 2013, 02:46:59 PM: When I was freshly 21, I had my heart set on a para-ord compact 1911 as my first handgun. Then I went to a gun shop and held one and couldn’t stand how short the grip was, about an inch of my hand hung over the bottom.

Since you are talking about Kimber, you know the quality is there. If you like the way it handles, you’ve probably got a winner.
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: jackelope on June 25, 2013, 03:12:23 PM: What about the baby Glock 36?
Single stack .45acp.
:dunno:
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 25, 2013, 09:59:23 PM: Gotta love the 36 but it's hard to beat a 1911.

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My favorite 1911 is a 4" Springfield Champion I had Clark Custom work over.

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Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: jrebel on June 25, 2013, 10:34:36 PM: I am a 1911 / Kimber fan all the way. One huge difference you will notice between the kimber and the glocks is the trigger pull. The Kimber will be crisp with very little slack and the glock....well it is a glock and the trigger pull is garbage. :twocents:
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: crazysccrmd on June 25, 2013, 10:40:15 PM: Quote from: jackelope on June 25, 2013, 03:12:23 PM
What about the baby Glock 36?
Single stack .45acp.
:dunno:

This is what I would suggest. The Glock 30 was too square in my hand to be comfortable, the 36 is enough of a difference to be very comfortable.
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: mountainman on June 25, 2013, 10:48:42 PM: This is why I carry my M&P! :) have some good time in with the XDS, undoutably the best thing to come out for a sub in years! Just last weekend it was rocking a steel chicken target at 100 yards offhand 75% being hits! Ideal SOB carry weapon!
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: jay.sharkbait on June 26, 2013, 12:42:37 AM: I love 1911's. I like the design, the way they shoot and have enjoyed building them for years.

I carry a Glock 22. It's a love hate thing. The trigger sucks, I don't like the way it feels and the slidestop takes some getting used to. That said, I shoot it well and trust it. I've seen Glocks take abuse that 1911's can't take and work every time. I feel better about the Glock shooting it left handed (i'm righty) if needed. They are ugly.....

The sub compact 1911's have such a short recoil system and getting them to run correctly is tough and they are fussy about ammunition.(my opinion).

I guess my heart goes for the 1911, but my brain says Glock...
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: krism83 on June 26, 2013, 04:11:45 AM: Personally I love SAO handguns, I love 1911's, and I'm not to fond of how a glock feels in my hand. I carry a 1911 for my daily and would be hard pressed to find something else that I would feel as comfortable having with me. Granted mine is a full size sig scorpion so there isn't much concealed carry happening but it doesn't bother me any if I'm printing or not.
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 26, 2013, 05:31:08 AM: The Sig Scorpion is a amazing handgun.
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: krism83 on June 26, 2013, 06:59:55 AM: Quote from: Biggerhammer on June 26, 2013, 05:31:08 AM
The Sig Scorpion is a amazing handgun.

That it is. One of the best 1911's I have shot, slightly lower than my friends Wilson combat 1911 on my list.
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 26, 2013, 08:00:41 AM: Well I put the glock in the classifieds. Hoping it'll sell so I can look at 1911s. Gamer yours is sweet! Nothing beats the looks of a pretty 1911!
I am also going to look at 4 inch ones if my glock sells. Handled a 4 and 5 inch last night and they just feel good.
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: mountainman on June 26, 2013, 03:39:45 PM: Love this one!
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 26, 2013, 06:55:53 PM: Or this one...

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Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: Bofire on June 26, 2013, 06:58:22 PM: :) I am 1911 all the way every time, I have owned them all. sigs HKs S&w autos glocks etc. 1911 for me. I shoot it better faster and love it and trust it. That said, 4 inch MINIMUM, 5 inch is wonderful. My 24/7 carry is a Kimber 4 inch pro carry I fergit :dunno: tactical something name wise.
Carl
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: mountainman on June 26, 2013, 06:59:45 PM: Quote from: Bofire on June 26, 2013, 06:58:22 PM
:) I am 1911 all the way every time, I have owned them all. sigs HKs S&w autos glocks etc. 1911 for me. I shoot it better faster and love it and trust it. That said, 4 inch MINIMUM, 5 inch is wonderful. My 24/7 carry is a Kimber 4 inch pro carry I fergit :dunno: tactical something name wise.
Carl

Agreed! :tup:
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 26, 2013, 07:08:01 PM: Shot the crap out of the Sig Nightmare the other day, ran like a champ. Not a single hick up but I still like the Scorpion better for some reason. Sig just makes a solid 1911.

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Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 26, 2013, 08:42:37 PM: Quote from: Biggerhammer on June 26, 2013, 06:55:53 PM
Or this one...

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is this one a 4 inch? that is what i want!
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: mountainman on June 26, 2013, 09:01:21 PM: Looks like a 3" ultra
Title: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: Austrian Hunter on June 26, 2013, 09:04:38 PM: Quote from: superdown on June 25, 2013, 02:08:39 PM
I sold my glock 20 and bought a Kimber eclipse custom II full size. I couldn't be happier with my choice i am also looking at a Kimber compact but i am interested in the stainless ultra raptor II. I wish they would offer a bobtail version.

I just got my Kimber Eclipse II today, have not shot it but love the feeling of the gun and of course it's absolutely sick looking!!!
Title: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: Austrian Hunter on June 26, 2013, 09:06:52 PM: Quote from: Biggerhammer on June 26, 2013, 07:08:01 PM
Shot the crap out of the Sig Nightmare the other day, ran like a champ. Not a single hick up but I still like the Scorpion better for some reason. Sig just makes a solid 1911.

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There is also a compact version of the Scorpion. I love Sig 1911 but just picked up my first Kimber.
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: Biggerhammer on June 26, 2013, 10:30:32 PM: I like the Kimbers from the custom shop.
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: mountainman on June 26, 2013, 10:32:07 PM: Quote from: Biggerhammer on June 26, 2013, 10:30:32 PM
I like the Kimbers from the custom shop.

:)
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: thinkingman on June 27, 2013, 10:47:54 PM: Quote from: 300rum on June 25, 2013, 02:23:53 PM
There is compact, then there is subcompact. I think you are talking about a subcompact with a 3" barrel. The reason I say this is in a 1911, .45acp, subcompacts can be very finicky as you have a whole lot going on in a very short window of time. The pistol fires, slide comes back very quickly and has to strip a round very quickly with less mass to do it with (then a 5" slide). Basically some .45 1911 subcompacts or bullpups are good, some are jammomatics.

Personally, as much as I like 1911's, I would stick to the Glocks/Springfields, etc. in a subcompact. OR, try a subcompact 1911 in 9mm. As far as a compact pistol (4-4.5" barrel), 1911 .45's are (usually) excellent.

I have shot a few subcompacts, some run, some don't and others run when clean and wet (oiled) and some don't run well even then.
Nailed it.
3" 1911's are a crapshoot.
4" Commanders are awesome.
IF you have to have a sub, there are better choices.
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: mountainman on June 27, 2013, 11:01:37 PM: Quote from: thinkingman on June 27, 2013, 10:47:54 PM
Quote from: 300rum on June 25, 2013, 02:23:53 PM
There is compact, then there is subcompact. I think you are talking about a subcompact with a 3" barrel. The reason I say this is in a 1911, .45acp, subcompacts can be very finicky as you have a whole lot going on in a very short window of time. The pistol fires, slide comes back very quickly and has to strip a round very quickly with less mass to do it with (then a 5" slide). Basically some .45 1911 subcompacts or bullpups are good, some are jammomatics.

Personally, as much as I like 1911's, I would stick to the Glocks/Springfields, etc. in a subcompact. OR, try a subcompact 1911 in 9mm. As far as a compact pistol (4-4.5" barrel), 1911 .45's are (usually) excellent.

I have shot a few subcompacts, some run, some don't and others run when clean and wet (oiled) and some don't run well even then.
Nailed it.
3" 1911's are a crapshoot.
4" Commanders are awesome.
IF you have to have a sub, there are better choices.
:tup:
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 28, 2013, 01:40:59 PM: Well I done it today... I went and picked up a kimber ultra crimson trace. 3 inch 1911 with CT laser grips! I'm excited!
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 28, 2013, 01:45:37 PM: You guys are all my heroes and gun-wise, I'll have to live vicariously through you. I love those guns, especially the ones Hammer posts up. Awesome. Thanks for sharing all!
PMan
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 28, 2013, 02:34:09 PM: Ill get some pics up one day. Maybe tonight.
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on June 28, 2013, 02:43:56 PM: I'll have to agree with earlier posts that if you don't feel comfortable with a Glock in your hand, you should try a 1911. I'm your over the edge 1911 fan... I just sold a Colt Officer's ACP (3 1/2" barrel), and while I'm not regreting it just yet since I have other Colt/Kimber, I would suggest a Springer Champion or Colt Commander in a heart beat if you don't want a full size 1911. And not to knock any of the Kimber sub compacts either. But put a Springfield XD or XDm in your hand if you want the DA trigger.

-Steve
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 01, 2013, 08:08:54 AM: Here's the only pic I have so far. Been fondling it all weekend. Can't wait till tomorrow afternoon when I get to shoot it!
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on July 01, 2013, 08:18:52 AM: I still can't understand why 1911 manufactures have stuck with the flat main spring housing. The best thing you can do is get rid of that and install an arched main spring housing, especially if you're shooting low with it. Recoil will be more comfortable too.

-Steve
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: thinkingman on July 01, 2013, 04:10:13 PM: I would get a piece of grip tape on that frontstrap.
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: andersonjk4 on July 02, 2013, 09:00:02 AM: Sweet! That little guy looks awesome. Should be fun to shoot. We'll have to go shooting sometime. I've got a Sig Nightmare just like Biggerhammer's above. I need to get out and shoot it some more. Were you able to find ammo for it, or were you already stocked up?
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 02, 2013, 09:13:51 AM: I had a bit of ammo and I picked up a bit more. I will pick up some more when the sting of the purchase price goes away... :chuckle:
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: cwuwildcat on July 02, 2013, 09:31:00 AM: Here's my everyday carry, I like a lot. Smith & Wesson 1911SC E-series, in commander size. Love it. Rides well in a Galco KingTuk and Galco belt.

This is a pic I grabbed off the web, but you get the idea! :tup:
Title: Re: glock 30 or 3 inch 1911?
Post by: Huntboy on July 06, 2013, 11:08:09 PM: Quote from: Biggerhammer on June 26, 2013, 05:31:08 AM
The Sig Scorpion is a amazing handgun.

:yeah: