Post by: Elkaholic daWg on July 08, 2013, 11:40:37 AM
http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/News/13-06-19/Motorcyclists_rally_in_Washington_D_C_seeking_independent_testing_of_E15_fuel_blend.aspx (http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/News/13-06-19/Motorcyclists_rally_in_Washington_D_C_seeking_independent_testing_of_E15_fuel_blend.aspx)
When they started going on this push for E15, I sent out a letter to all the auto manufacturers, and every last one of them said that using E15 in automobiles manufactured after 2001 would wreck the engines and void the warranties," Sensenbrenner said. "They didn't listen to that. So an EPA mandate [for E15] would mean that a lot of people would end up having very expensive repairs that are not covered by the warranty.
"Corn with a lot of butter is really good to eat," Sensenbrenner added. "But what is good to eat is not good to put in anybody's gas tank."
The risk is just too great for E15 fuel to be sold at the pump, said Stewart.
"The federal government does silly things from time to time, and this is one of them," Stewart said. "You have these beautiful machines out here, and if you put one of these blends in there, you're going to burn up those engines, and the manufacturers won't honor the warranty. It's just not a good idea to have this blend... We're going to challenge the EPA, and I think we're going to have some success."
Griffin noted that E15 isn't fully tested, and should be, before it is allowed to be sold.
"E15 is a disaster in the making," Griffin said. "The research isn't done on whether it's safe. Ethanol is just bad for engines generally, and to take it to E15, which puts at risk a bunch of equipment, as well as your motors, it's just ridiculous."
Valadao said it was important for people to speak out on the issue.
"It's just bad policy in general," Valadao said. "For me to be a part of this, and to have the opportunity to support you, it's an honor, because it's an issue I feel deeply about. You stepping up here means a lot."
Posey agreed that E15 will cause issues for vehicle owners.
"There are three things you need to know about E15: It's bad. It's bad. And it's bad," Posey said. "We all know what it can do to cars. We know what it does to bikes. We know what it does to racecars. We know what it does to motorboats. We know what it does to lawnmowers. It's not good for anything."
Petri noted that several manufacturers had told him of the potential dangers of E15.
"E15 will cause big problems," Petri said. "I say this as someone who comes from a corn-producing state. But we also make Harley-Davidsons in our part of the world. We make Mercury outboard motors in our part of the world. We make an awful lot of small engines for Briggs & Stratton. And the manufacturers of all this equipment tell me [E15] will not work. It will cause a lot of problems, and involve unnecessary expense."
Post by: DoubleJ on July 08, 2013, 12:07:14 PM
http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=WA (http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=WA)
You pay a little more but your mileage goes up, balancing it out.
Post by: Special T on July 08, 2013, 02:50:50 PM
Post by: DoubleJ on July 08, 2013, 04:19:52 PM
Post by: hdshot on July 08, 2013, 04:34:42 PM
I thought the only way to get ethenol free fuel is to purchase premium fuel now. It would appear that burlington skagit farmer supply has it in all octains... The 76 station where i used to get it, along with the gas pump tech from the weights and measurment/repair co said it was to be mandated 10% now and 15% in the near future... what gives?
It is a long story. Basically the EPA mandates that more ethanol has to be used each year. EPA thought that people would fall in love with flex fuel vehicles and gas use would go up each year when they figured out their ethanol mandates. But no one likes flex fuels because the milage is bad and gas use is going down but the more ethanol mandates are still in place. Now the only way to follow the mandates is to but more ethanol in gas. Also another note, there is no testing to make sure 10% is 10%. So we can be already using 15% or more because no testing is required to make sure they sticker on the pump is telling the truth. Also the station can just flat out lie and put more ethanol in our gas and just say 10%.
Post by: DoubleJ on July 08, 2013, 05:32:19 PM
Post by: raydog on July 08, 2013, 08:12:27 PM
I believe the sticker at the pump says "Minimum 10% ethanol" so it could be more without lying. I'll stick to ethanol free as long as I canAnd it destroys old outboards like no other :bash:
Post by: bearpaw on July 08, 2013, 08:17:14 PM
I believe the sticker at the pump says "Minimum 10% ethanol" so it could be more without lying. I'll stick to ethanol free as long as I canAnd it destroys old outboards like no other :bash:
Same with snowmobiles, we go to stations that specify they have non-ethanol fuel. :tup:
Post by: dreamunelk on July 08, 2013, 08:33:15 PM
Post by: ribka on July 08, 2013, 08:38:59 PM
All local stations stopped carrying it :P
What a scam. Less mpg, engine damage and more pollution created by growing corn which require huge amounts of water and carbon based fertilizers.
Post by: hdshot on July 09, 2013, 03:58:35 PM
I believe the sticker at the pump says "Minimum 10% ethanol" so it could be more without lying. I'll stick to ethanol free as long as I can
I see lots of stickers say up to 10% but no law requires to make sure the product is as advertised. Like you say one station can say minimum but the other station on the same street can say just 10% to fool customers away while selling much more ethanol in their gas with out breaking any law and not worry about their gas getting sampled to let customers know the business is telling the truth.
Post by: TheSkyBuster on July 09, 2013, 04:44:02 PM
I thought the only way to get ethenol free fuel is to purchase premium fuel now. It would appear that burlington skagit farmer supply has it in all octains... The 76 station where i used to get it, along with the gas pump tech from the weights and measurment/repair co said it was to be mandated 10% now and 15% in the near future... what gives?
The Skagit Farmers Supply Gas Station on Burlington BLVD sells only E-10. But their Cardlock Station on Park Lane (Behind Skagit Power Sports and next to PSE) Sells Ethanol Free Gasoline (in all 3 octain ratings) for around .30 cents a gallon more than the Burlington Blvd station sells E-10.
I try to run ethanol free fuel in my Motorcycles, boat motors, and Lawnmower. Ethanol in fuel draws in moisture and causes gasoline to break down much quicker than normal. It will also break down rubber fuel lines and plastic or fiberglass fuel tanks causing all kinds of fun things to happen to your motor. E-10 is bad enough. we definitely don't need E-15
Post by: sumbeech66 on July 09, 2013, 05:55:36 PM
Post by: ImMrBill on July 09, 2013, 06:42:56 PM
Post by: DoubleJ on July 09, 2013, 07:25:32 PM
can someone here tell me the requirements for getting a pacific pride card? The website doesnt give requirements that I could find.
Credit check
Post by: sumbeech66 on July 09, 2013, 07:36:52 PM
Thanks for any info fellas!
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on July 10, 2013, 11:08:59 AM
I am removing this link since it seems to be outdated and not relevant any more
Post by: DoubleJ on July 10, 2013, 11:12:26 AM
I got that there is an application process but was curious as to details like do you have to be a business owner, is there a membership fee, a minimum amount of gallons a year? etc.
Thanks for any info fellas!
No. They do have business accounts but they let individuals sign up too. When I tried about a year ago, I talked to a really nice lady. She said it's basically just a credit check since you'll be buying gas and paying the bill at the end of the month instead of paying when you pump. They state that they have minimum purchase amounts but the lady said that it's not a problem if you don't hit the mark every month.
Post by: DoubleJ on July 10, 2013, 11:12:54 AM
Before my old desktop died I had a link in my favorites for ethanol free fuel locations in my area. (actually the whole state) I have been looking to duplicate it on this one and am having trouble finding it. I think I found it on BCR a few years back. Any Ideas?? So far I've found this one. looks like Unocal is about it on this site.
http://www.hotfrog.com/Products/Ethanol-Free-Gas-Stations/WA (http://www.hotfrog.com/Products/Ethanol-Free-Gas-Stations/WA)
2nd post in this thread
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on July 10, 2013, 11:15:11 AM
Before my old desktop died I had a link in my favorites for ethanol free fuel locations in my area. (actually the whole state) I have been looking to duplicate it on this one and am having trouble finding it. I think I found it on BCR a few years back. Any Ideas?? So far I've found this one. looks like Unocal is about it on this site.
http://www.hotfrog.com/Products/Ethanol-Free-Gas-Stations/WA (http://www.hotfrog.com/Products/Ethanol-Free-Gas-Stations/WA)
2nd post in this thread
I get this EVERY time there....................................Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /index.jsp on this server.
Post by: DoubleJ on July 10, 2013, 11:19:39 AM
http://pure-gas.org/ (http://pure-gas.org/)
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on July 10, 2013, 11:42:24 AM
You don't have permission to access / on this server.
Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Any Idea why I'm getting that????
I DID get through once a few minutes ago (out of about 15) to the original and printed it. Thank you DoubleJ!
Post by: sumbeech66 on July 10, 2013, 11:50:02 AM
I got that there is an application process but was curious as to details like do you have to be a business owner, is there a membership fee, a minimum amount of gallons a year? etc.
Thanks for any info fellas!
No. They do have business accounts but they let individuals sign up too. When I tried about a year ago, I talked to a really nice lady. She said it's basically just a credit check since you'll be buying gas and paying the bill at the end of the month instead of paying when you pump. They state that they have minimum purchase amounts but the lady said that it's not a problem if you don't hit the mark every month.
Hmmmm. Thanks for that info. Gonna have to look into it. Did you get the card? I assume the price is comparable to everywhere else?
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on July 12, 2013, 10:34:26 AM
Dear Jim,
Please find below a special message from our friends at Energy Citizens. They have some important information to share with you.
Sincerely,
Bob Livingston
Bob Livingston
Editor, Personal Liberty Digest™
Editor, The Bob Livingston Letter™
Dear Jim:
Every week, Americans across the nation rely on their cars, trucks, and SUVs to get to work, take their kids to school, and run their businesses. Almost every week, hard-working Americans need to stop at their local gas station to fuel up.
The last thing we need to worry about is what “blend” of fuel the EPA thinks we should put in our gas tanks.
But that’s not what Congress was considering when they passed the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS). The standard mandated that gradually increasing amounts of biofuels be blended into gasoline and diesel. However, when they set this arbitrary amount, they didn’t realize that the amount of gasoline and diesel we are using is steadily decreasing. In short, there is not enough gasoline and diesel to absorb the biofuel.
We need to tell Congress that the Renewable Fuel Standard is not the right answer for American’s energy strategy.
Failure to repeal the Renewable Fuel Standard this year will create big problems for American consumers:
Ethanol blends above 10% could damage millions of vehicles on the road today and void engine warranties;
Higher ethanol blends could harm gas station infrastructure;
The economic damage will impact everyone.
The answer is clear: The RFS is an unworkable federal mandate that must be repealed. Take action today!
Sincerely,
Energy Citizens
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Posted link to my FB also.........
Unless we want our chainsaws, lawnmowers , weedeaters, generators, outboards, bikes, quads snowmobiles, and ANY other small engines we own to be destroyed since ethanol free gas is becoming extinct,and the next step is E-15 coming soon we should sign on with this. I'm getting real tired of the "progressives" running every aspect they can our lives!! Cenex Snohomish, Sultan Pac Pride, Everett marina, and Eerett (so far) OK gas and smoke mart, and various airports are the only places in the county we can get it, and how many pollutants are realeased when we do all that driving (usually in our least fuel efficient vehicles...towing trailers) to get it?
Post by: huntnphool on July 12, 2013, 11:05:50 AM
Post by: paulf919 on July 12, 2013, 11:51:01 AM
There is a station in Auburn that I use to fuel my boat and sports cars with ethanol free fuel, it's right off of 15th street north of the horse track.
How are the prices?
Post by: DoubleJ on July 12, 2013, 11:55:03 AM
I got that there is an application process but was curious as to details like do you have to be a business owner, is there a membership fee, a minimum amount of gallons a year? etc.
Thanks for any info fellas!
No. They do have business accounts but they let individuals sign up too. When I tried about a year ago, I talked to a really nice lady. She said it's basically just a credit check since you'll be buying gas and paying the bill at the end of the month instead of paying when you pump. They state that they have minimum purchase amounts but the lady said that it's not a problem if you don't hit the mark every month.
Hmmmm. Thanks for that info. Gonna have to look into it. Did you get the card? I assume the price is comparable to everywhere else?
Price is comparable, depending on the owner. Some gouge a dime/gal or so. find your local owner and give them a call.
Post by: huntnphool on July 12, 2013, 11:58:29 AM
Its not cheap, last time I was down there it was about $0.10 higher per gallon than average. Cash only, and the attendant is a grumpy old guy but decent enough once you go a few times.There is a station in Auburn that I use to fuel my boat and sports cars with ethanol free fuel, it's right off of 15th street north of the horse track.
How are the prices?
Here is the station info:
Fuel Farm
325 C Street Northwest
Auburn, WA 98001
(253) 939-3570
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on July 16, 2013, 08:34:27 AM
"It,s the corn growing lobbyist big push. I use to buy my gas in the states (I live on a border town) but now I pay more and fill up in Canada where the gas comes from dead dinosaurs not a plant.
Soon there will be millions of corn drinking cars on the road while people are starving to death."
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on July 18, 2013, 08:41:23 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on July 18, 2013, 09:07:45 AM
Just talked to Nelson Petroleum and they are currently working on installing a storage tank and pump for ethanol free fuel at their Arlington location. :IBCOOL:
That's great....THIS isn't
Today, virtually every gallon of gas sold in the U.S. contains 10 percent ethanol, meaning that higher blends of ethanol are needed to continue to reduce our dependence on foreign oil through biofuels.
Thank god she knows not of which she speaks! Although that is obviously the way she wants it!!
,
Thank you for contacting me about the Renewable Fuel Standard Elimination Act. I appreciate hearing from you, and sincerely regret the delayed response.
As you may know, Representative Rob Goodlatte (R-VA) introduced the Renewable Fuel Standard Elimination Act (H.R. 1461) on April 10, 2013. If enacted, this legislation would amend the Clean Air Act to repeal the Environmental Protection Agency's renewable fuel program. This legislation has been referred to the House Subcommittee on Energy and Power where it is currently awaiting further review.
Today, virtually every gallon of gas sold in the U.S. contains 10 percent ethanol, meaning that higher blends of ethanol are needed to continue to reduce our dependence on foreign oil through biofuels. In January 2011 the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced its decision to allow up to 15 percent ethanol (E15) gasoline blends for use in vehicles made after 2001. The EPA does not require any station to sell E15, but if a station chooses to sell both E10 and E15 blends, the EPA requires that either a pump be dedicated specifically for E15 or at least four gallons of gasoline must be sold from any pump that dispenses both E10 and E15. The latter option is meant to ensure a sufficient dilution of any residual ethanol in the hose to prevent damage to smaller engines not designed to run on ethanol blends higher than E10. The EPA also requires clear labeling of pumps that dispense E15 to inform consumers, and E15 is not permitted for vehicles built before 2001 or for off-road vehicles, including motorcycles.
As you may know, the production of biofuels in the U.S., primarily ethanol and biodiesel, has grown rapidly since the establishment of the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) in the Energy Policy Act of 2005. While ethanol derived from cornstarch has dominated U.S. biofuels production since its development in the late 1970s, in December 2007 I helped secure language in the Energy Independence and Security Act (P. L. 110-140) that caps the amount of ethanol derived from corn that could be used to meet the RFS. That means that over time, the percentage of ethanol produced from cornstarch or other food commodities is set to decline, and domestic biofuels derived from non-food sources will be used to replace foreign petroleum products.
I support alternative fuels that can help address climate change, rising prices at the pump, and our dangerous over dependence on foreign oil, and I believe the U.S. can make the transition to cleaner energy without suffering negative side effects. Biofuels made from non-food feedstocks are a particularly promising petroleum alternative and new research advances technology breakthroughs and infrastructure investments are likely to produce cost-effective petroleum alternatives from a range of domestic resources such as wood and agriculture waste, algae, and even municipal solid waste. I believe that Washington state can lead the nation in using sources other than corn to produce alternative fuels without raising food prices. Our state is already leading the nation in the production of biodiesel and is a world leader in developing biomass-based alternatives for jet fuel.
I believe one of the best ways to foster competition and provide consumers real choice at the pump is to create an open fuel standard. On September 22, 2011, I introduced the Open Fuel Standard Act (S.1603) with Senator Dick Lugar (R-IN) that would break oil's monopoly over the U.S. transportation fuel industry by ensuring that most new vehicles in the United States are capable of running on a range of domestically produced alternative fuels starting in 2015. While that bill unfortunately did not pass the Senate during the 112th Congress, please be assured that I will continue to support clean, innovative solutions to our nation's energy needs and to push measures to reduce our dangerous dependence on foreign oil and provide competition at the gas pump.
Sincerely,
Maria Cantwell
United States Senator
While Grandstanding (her website speech) in DC "DEMANDING" to know why fuel costs so much in the west ......DUH!!!!
I'm sure her 10% adds much more than 10% to the price!!
Post by: DoubleJ on July 18, 2013, 09:58:41 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on July 18, 2013, 10:24:48 AM
I hear you're working on things having to do with fuel prices and I'd like to add my input. I drive a 2005 Kia Sedona. When I put E10 in my tank, I average 15mpg, right in line with the fuel rating for my van. When I put E0 in my tank, I average 21mpg.
I am no scientist and have no access to one but, in your position, I'm sure you do. I ask that you use your resources to conduct a study of the one vs. one on pollutants in the air from E10 vs. E0 with total miles driven instead of all the studies I've seen which are basically total pollutants per cylinder fire. Like I said, I'm no scientist but, I have to figure that while I put more pollutants into the air per individual cylinder fire with E0 than I do with E10, when I need dramatically less total cylinder fires to get where I'm going, I'm putting less total pollutants in the air with E0 than I do with E10.
As far as price goes, I pay $0.10 more for E0 but, looking at the math, it's a good thing. My gas tank is 20 gallons. Using a $4/gal average for E10, it costs me $80 to fill my tank. For my $80 at my 15mpg E10 average, I get to drive 300 miles or 3.75 miles per dollar.
When I fill my tank with E0 at a price of $4.10/gal, for a total cost of $82. For my $82 at my E0 average of 21mpg, I get to drive 420 miles or 5.1 miles per dollar.
Economically and environmentally, for my family E0 makes sense. Add in the damage that ethanol does to engines and the potential repair cost and the cost per gallon of E10 goes up even more. While I would like all stations to go to E0 only, even at an increased cost, I would just be happy to continue to have the option to buy E0 if I choose instead of being forced to buy only E10 or even E15 as is being lobbied around. Part of America is freedom of choice. That's all I'm asking for. Please don't do anything that would take away my freedom to choose what I put in my gas tank.
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on July 18, 2013, 12:05:47 PM
I had to replace the fuel lines last summer on my weed eater due to them being ate up by ethanol. I simply refuse to run corn squeezin in my Jeep.
There needs to be a class action law suit against the EPA to make sure that E0 is available to those with small engines, etc. Either that, or they need to start paying for repairs caused by it.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on July 18, 2013, 06:54:29 PM
Dear James,
The Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) includes a variety of damaging and perplexing elements that prove it can't work in its current form.
One perfect example of RFS absurdity is the use of Renewable Identification Numbers, or RINs.
RINs are credits that represent each gallon of ethanol produced or imported into the United States and blended into the fuel supply. These credits must be purchased by fuel refiners to prove RFS-designated amounts of ethanol have been blended into gasoline and diesel.
But when the RFS mandates using more ethanol than can safely be blended into the fuel supply, refiners are required to hand in more RINs to meet the mandate than will actually be available. As RINs become scarce, their cost skyrockets. The RINs scarcity may also force refiners to reduce domestic supply and could lead to higher consumer fuel costs.
Watch the video below to learn more about RINs. Simply put-it's RIN-sanity.
Smarter Fuel Future SMARTERFUELFUTURE.ORG
Smarter Fuel Future SMARTERFUELFUTURE.ORG
Can't get the video link to transfer to here....sorry
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on July 25, 2013, 07:10:32 PM
Dear James,
You sent a letter to Congress telling them to repeal the RFS. Repealing a law can take time, but the President can take action to fix the problem today. Send your letter to the President, asking him to fix this unworkable standard.
BUTTON TEXT!
Tell the President to fix the RFS!
http://energycitizens.org/ec/advocacy/citizenactioncenter.aspx (http://energycitizens.org/ec/advocacy/citizenactioncenter.aspx)
The impact of hitting the blendwall will affect American families and businesses in many ways, including:
The ethanol levels that the mandate calls for are incompatible for nearly 95 percent of the vehicles on the road today
Greater volumes of ethanol reduce fuel economy
A potential increase in the cost of gasoline by 30 percent
As Energy Citizens, it's up to us to speak out against the Renewable Fuel Standard. The Obama Administration and the Environmental Protection Agency have the power to avoid these consequences.
Our message needs to be loud and clear: Fix the Renewable Fuel Standard now!
Please take action on this issue today. Click here to send a letter to President Obama!
Sincerely,
The Energy Citizens Team
Post by: NoBark on August 05, 2013, 10:12:42 AM
Post by: Special T on August 08, 2013, 06:51:55 AM
Post by: Jingles on August 08, 2013, 07:26:07 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 06, 2013, 08:43:54 AM
All ethanol is bad. ALL OF IT. Drive ethanol free
http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=WA (http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=WA)
You pay a little more but your mileage goes up, balancing it out.
Reminder of where to get E-0 around the state and take care of our saws, generators, quads, and other tools...............
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 19, 2013, 07:33:16 PM
The RFS Hurts Every Consumer
The Renewable Fuel Standard increases food and fuel costs, harms the engines of boats, motorcycles and automobiles. Tell Congress you want to repeal the RFS and to stop playing politics with your fuel!
Tell Congress to Repeal the RFS
Congress has failed to act on the RFS and plans to “kick the can” down the road for another two years, which could have serious repercussions on the economy. Act now and tell Congress to repeal the mandate.
http://energycitizens.org/join/composeletters.aspx?recruitment=RFS4&multiplealerts=False&utm_campaign=RFS&utm_source=PL%20-%20Contract&utm_medium=CPA&utm_content=&utm_term=&DDCA_RegSource=&DDCA_Medium=&DDCA_CampaignAd=&DDCA_AdUnit=&DDCA_Term= (http://energycitizens.org/join/composeletters.aspx?recruitment=RFS4&multiplealerts=False&utm_campaign=RFS&utm_source=PL%20-%20Contract&utm_medium=CPA&utm_content=&utm_term=&DDCA_RegSource=&DDCA_Medium=&DDCA_CampaignAd=&DDCA_AdUnit=&DDCA_Term=)
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 03, 2014, 10:58:24 AM
All ethanol is bad. ALL OF IT. Drive ethanol free
http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=WA (http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=WA)
You pay a little more but your mileage goes up, balancing it out.
A bump For the new, recent members who may not know
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,143789.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,143789.0.html)
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 06, 2014, 12:02:37 PM
HOUSE BILL 2091
_____________________________________________
State of Washington 63rd Legislature 2014 Regular Session
By Representatives Overstreet, Shea, Taylor, Scott, and Condotta
Prefiled 12/02/13.
1 AN ACT Relating to granting exemptions from state biofuel and
2 biodiesel requirements; and amending RCW 43.19.642 and 43.19.648.
12 (5) ((During the 2011-2013 and 2013-2015 fiscal biennia, the
13 Washington state ferries is required to use a minimum of five percent
14 biodiesel as compared to total volume of all diesel purchases made by
15 the Washington state ferries for the operation of the Washington state
16 ferries diesel-powered vessels, as long as the price of a B5 biodiesel
17 blend does not exceed the price of conventional diesel fuel by five
18 percent or more.)) Beginning July 1, 2014, the department of
19 transportation and the Washington state patrol are exempt from the
20 biodiesel requirements under this section.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on January 06, 2014, 12:09:20 PM
Look what I found today Washington HB 2091.......Kind of like how the white House congress and their staffers are exempt from obummercare...... They know better than us, but aren't held to the same rules
HOUSE BILL 2091
_____________________________________________
State of Washington 63rd Legislature 2014 Regular Session
By Representatives Overstreet, Shea, Taylor, Scott, and Condotta
Prefiled 12/02/13.
1 AN ACT Relating to granting exemptions from state biofuel and
2 biodiesel requirements; and amending RCW 43.19.642 and 43.19.648.
12 (5) ((During the 2011-2013 and 2013-2015 fiscal biennia, the
13 Washington state ferries is required to use a minimum of five percent
14 biodiesel as compared to total volume of all diesel purchases made by
15 the Washington state ferries for the operation of the Washington state
16 ferries diesel-powered vessels, as long as the price of a B5 biodiesel
17 blend does not exceed the price of conventional diesel fuel by five
18 percent or more.)) Beginning July 1, 2014, the department of
19 transportation and the Washington state patrol are exempt from the
20 biodiesel requirements under this section.
So you're against saving us money?
Post by: snowpack on January 06, 2014, 12:18:26 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 06, 2014, 12:42:44 PM
Look what I found today Washington HB 2091.......Kind of like how the white House congress and their staffers are exempt from obummercare...... They know better than us, but aren't held to the same rules
HOUSE BILL 2091
_____________________________________________
State of Washington 63rd Legislature 2014 Regular Session
By Representatives Overstreet, Shea, Taylor, Scott, and Condotta
Prefiled 12/02/13.
1 AN ACT Relating to granting exemptions from state biofuel and
2 biodiesel requirements; and amending RCW 43.19.642 and 43.19.648.
12 (5) ((During the 2011-2013 and 2013-2015 fiscal biennia, the
13 Washington state ferries is required to use a minimum of five percent
14 biodiesel as compared to total volume of all diesel purchases made by
15 the Washington state ferries for the operation of the Washington state
16 ferries diesel-powered vessels, as long as the price of a B5 biodiesel
17 blend does not exceed the price of conventional diesel fuel by five
18 percent or more.)) Beginning July 1, 2014, the department of
19 transportation and the Washington state patrol are exempt from the
20 biodiesel requirements under this section.
So you're against saving us money?
:stirthepot: Not at all, just answer THIS
Does every one else have the option to run a different fuel when the price differential meets a certain threshold?I think We All know that answer :o :chuckle:
Post by: Special T on January 06, 2014, 12:46:24 PM
Post by: Bofire on January 06, 2014, 07:31:14 PM
Carl
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on January 06, 2014, 10:15:02 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 08, 2014, 03:04:12 PM
http://cqrcengage.com/amacycle/ActionAlerts (http://cqrcengage.com/amacycle/ActionAlerts)
While there I saw.......
Are possible restrictions on federal public lands coming soon?
While touring federal public lands in California, Interior Department Secretary Sally Jewell once again called on Congress to quickly set aside more land for conservation. If Congress won’t act, Sec. Jewell said, she will recommend to U.S. President Barack Obama that he designate new public lands for conservation, potentially limiting access for motorized recreationists.
Post by: Special T on January 08, 2014, 05:00:31 PM
http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Biofuels/Producers-Panic-as-Ethanol-Mandate-Loses-Support.html (http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Biofuels/Producers-Panic-as-Ethanol-Mandate-Loses-Support.html)
Producers Panic as Ethanol Mandate Loses Support
Ethanol producers are panicking amid speculation that the ethanol mandate could be drastically reduced or scrapped entirely this year as the biofuel loses its allure and bipartisan allies and former friends team up against it.
December saw California Democrat Dianne Feinstein—a renewable fuel champion--coordinate efforts with Oklahoma Republican Tom Coburn to come up with a Senate bill to get rid of ethanol from the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS), citing fears that corn-based fuel production mandates will harm livestock producers
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 10, 2014, 11:32:40 AM
Also posted in off topics
Concerning one of Gore's useful IDIOTS!
Can anyone out there spare another $1.05 -$1.28 a gallon ???
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http://washingtonstatewire.com/blog/no-answers-from-inslee-on-low-carbon-fuel-standards-could-derail-transportation-package-lawmakers-say/?fb_action_ids=10201528666847062&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_ref=.UqdOm99PY7Z.like&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210201528666847062%22%3A617590404957435%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210201528666847062%22%3A%22og.likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%7B%2210201528666847062%22%3A%22.UqdOm99PY7Z.like%22%7D (http://washingtonstatewire.com/blog/no-answers-from-inslee-on-low-carbon-fuel-standards-could-derail-transportation-package-lawmakers-say/?fb_action_ids=10201528666847062&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_ref=.UqdOm99PY7Z.like&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210201528666847062%22%3A617590404957435%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210201528666847062%22%3A%22og.likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%7B%2210201528666847062%22%3A%22.UqdOm99PY7Z.like%22%7D)
Posted January 10th, 2014
No Answers From Inslee on Low Carbon Fuel Standards – Could Derail Transportation Package, Lawmakers Say
Governor Says Executive Order is an Option – Impact Could be Dollar a Gallon
Partial story...
By Erik Smith
Washington State Wire
OLYMPIA, Jan. 10.—Gov. Jay Inslee refuses to rule out an executive order imposing low-carbon fuel standards on the state of Washington, and lawmakers say the possibility could well derail this year’s effort to pass a gas-tax increase.
At the annual pre-session Associated Press legislative forum Thursday, the governor was asked the question directly – will he promise he won’t do it? And Inslee wouldn’t say.
“It is something we are not taking off the table, and it is something that really bears looking into, like many things in the climate-change world,” the governor said. “But we have not made a decision on it.”
The chance that Washington’s green-minded governor might order the Department of Ecology to begin drafting regulations to change the composition of gasoline and diesel fuel has thrown the Legislature into doubt in recent weeks. At a time when lawmakers are contemplating a proposal to raise the state fuel tax by 11.5 cents a gallon – a hard sell for many members, knowing it will stir anger among voters – Inslee has raised the possibility that he might seek a policy that could raise the price of gasoline by a dollar or more. It isn’t just that Inslee has made environmental legislation a central push of his administration, or that low-carbon fuel standards are among the raft of policies considered by his climate-change task force last year. It also is that he signed a pact with California, Oregon and British Columbia in which he promised that the state would impose the rule.
( I would trust his word no more than BHO!)
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on October 23, 2014, 08:26:25 AM