Post by: denali on July 11, 2013, 10:38:20 PM
last paragraph
“The present circumstances suggest the Department does not intend to lethally remove wolves and will not pursue the science to determine how many wolves our area can actually support based on ungulate populations and predator demands. Instead, they will tailor policies to suit environmental groups and hire additional Conflict Management Specialists that will attempt to manage the people, not the problem,” said Nielsen.
Post by: bearpaw on July 12, 2013, 09:52:09 AM
Nielsen definitely hit the nail on the head. It's all over the local radio today, if you listen to Rep. Joel Kretz (in the attached file) he sums it up pretty well.
Basically NE Washington has been fed to the wolves and the rest of the state doesn't care. Even the Washington Cattleman's Association doesn't seem to care what happens to cattlemen in NE WA. It should be noted that Stevens County Cattlemen Association is a separate organization from the Washington Cattlemen. The way it was explained to me is that the Washington Cattlemen's Association is more a representative for feedlots. I don't know if that's true and I don't know all the politics between the different cattlemen. I had thought Washington Cattlemen's Association was firmly opposed to wolves, but I suppose wolves are not much threat to feedlots, I don't know they he made a deal with the humane society that supposedly killed the wolf bills.
Fortunately the Wildlife Commission passed a measure this spring that allows ranchers to shoot a wolf if caught in the act of attacking cattle, but you have to catch them in the act. That's the way I understand it.
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 12, 2013, 10:02:45 AM
Post by: headshot5 on July 12, 2013, 10:12:10 AM
Post by: Brianshounds on July 12, 2013, 05:30:11 PM
Post by: wolfbait on July 13, 2013, 07:29:14 PM
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A newborn calf was killed at the Diamond M Ranch on July 2, drug out of a “tight six-strand barbwire fence” and consumed. The calving pen is only 250 yards from the ranch house and 100 yards from a workshop. On the night of the kill, outside flood lights were on and dogs were tied up not far from the pen, indicating that human presence provided little deterrent for the predator.
A report by WDFW Conflict Management Specialist Jay Shepherd noted that there were wolf tracks near the carcass and there was a drag mark where the carcass had been pulled outside of the pen. The carcass was consumed and “no splintered bones were present with the ribs largely intact, as can be seen at wolf kills.” Despite this evidence, Shepherd determined the kill was made by an “unknown predator” and noted that coyote tracks were within 150 feet of the carcass.
Conversely, a Stevens County Sheriff’s Department report of the incident said that while they were unable to definitively tell it was a wolf kill, it was “highly likely based on the totality of the circumstances.”
Bill McIrvin, co-owner of the Diamond M, said the ranch has never had problems with coyotes and believes the kill is attributed to wolves.
The recent incident at the McIrvin ranch shows a troubling trend of WDFW not confirming wolf kills, a determination that could have lead to the lethal removal of the animals.
What's One More Lie From WDFW?
Post by: Mudman on July 13, 2013, 07:39:01 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on July 13, 2013, 07:40:55 PM
Post by: bearpaw on July 14, 2013, 02:51:58 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on July 14, 2013, 04:35:46 PM
Not being a disbeliever but couldn't that just be some one running a sled dog team? I'm sure they said they got them all in the fall!!
Post by: denali on July 14, 2013, 04:41:21 PM
Post by: bearpaw on July 14, 2013, 07:25:46 PM
Talked to a local bus driver on Saturday evening who was slowing for a stop on Thursday and had a target of opportunity run across the road in front of her. But she was on the Whoa up peddle instead of the giddy up peddle. Kids on the bus were yelling hit the gas!!!! :chuckle:
Not being a disbeliever but couldn't that just be some one running a sled dog team? I'm sure they said they got them all in the fall!!
Right, a dog sled team.... :chuckle:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 14, 2013, 07:34:09 PM
Post by: Dan-o on July 14, 2013, 07:52:46 PM
Remember?
So this shouldn't be an issue........ :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: turkeyfeather on July 14, 2013, 07:56:41 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 14, 2013, 08:12:00 PM
Post by: wolfbait on July 15, 2013, 07:06:06 AM
This just shows the animal lovers have way more leverage than we do ...WHY ?
The Federal and state propaganda machine that started out with the feds in the early 1950's, they have brainwashed a whole generation of people, and WDFW continue the same BS lies today along with their partners Defenders of Wildlife and Conservation NW etc.. Remember the lie that there has never been a wolf attack in North America, only the alpha male and female breed, wolves will not have any impact on big game herds and seldom kill livestock, aspen tree's grow better with wolves present and beavers come back (which of course is true when they are planted as was exposed in the YS) the list of lies goes on.
Unless wolves directly impact those who refuse to acknowledge the true wolf, their mind set will remain the same. We have already see this right here on W-H. Or maybe it was hope that WDFW would do the right thing?
Post by: SuperMag on July 15, 2013, 07:56:47 AM
Post by: westside bull on July 15, 2013, 09:27:05 PM
Last year around February while coyote hunting around McIrvins my buddy and I called in 5 wolves. there was wolf tracks everywhere and we didn't see any deer/elk tracks. I heard that some of these wolves got removed from WDFWHopefully you and your buddy shot five big coyote's :chuckle:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 15, 2013, 09:45:21 PM
This just shows the animal lovers have way more leverage than we do ...WHY ?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ backing them up.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 15, 2013, 09:48:43 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on July 15, 2013, 09:49:54 PM
The Sheriff I know that works on the wedge pack said they ( cops ) have not heard anything about the wedge pack since they killed the 7-8 of them. Well, I guess that's gonna change now.
I Believe they got them all. Thats what they told me!!!
Post by: denali on July 16, 2013, 07:47:05 PM
Post by: SuperMag on July 17, 2013, 07:08:04 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 17, 2013, 09:02:06 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on July 17, 2013, 09:13:12 PM
A friend of mine that works at the Laurier border said she has seen 6 wolves going to and from work from Barstow to Laurier recently. WDFW is not our friend......
CAMPMEAT!!!! You are the problem!!! Why do you insist on bring these false reports to the general populous with out any proof.
We have been assured they have removed all of them.
So just STOP!!!
Post by: Harborhunter on July 17, 2013, 09:45:09 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 18, 2013, 06:01:24 AM
A friend of mine that works at the Laurier border said she has seen 6 wolves going to and from work from Barstow to Laurier recently. WDFW is not our friend......
CAMPMEAT!!!! You are the problem!!! Why do you insist on bring these false reports to the general populous with out any proof.
We have been assured they have removed all of them.
So just STOP!!!
I know, no pictures, it didn't happen............. :sry: ;)
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 18, 2013, 06:08:57 AM
A friend of mine that works at the Laurier border said she has seen 6 wolves going to and from work from Barstow to Laurier recently. WDFW is not our friend......
How does she know the wolves are going to and from work? Couldn't these just be unemployed wolves aimlessly wandering, looking for weak and sick animals for a free easy meal? Has she seen them at the off-ramps? I'm sorry Campmeat. I'm going to have to side with the DFW on this one. Everyone knows that wolves are lazy and opportunistic. :chuckle:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 18, 2013, 06:23:25 AM
A friend of mine that works at the Laurier border said she has seen 6 wolves going to and from work from Barstow to Laurier recently. WDFW is not our friend......
How does she know the wolves are going to and from work? Couldn't these just be unemployed wolves aimlessly wandering, looking for weak and sick animals for a free easy meal? Has she seen them at the off-ramps? I'm sorry Campmeat. I'm going to have to side with the DFW on this one. Everyone knows that wolves are lazy and opportunistic. :chuckle:
Welfare wolves...Illegals...avoiding detection, I would imagine.
Post by: flatbkman on July 18, 2013, 07:36:43 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 18, 2013, 07:54:21 AM
Well heck the wolves should have the same rights as illegal aliens, let them come as go as they please, and they are already getting government funding.
They did probably come over the border without the proper paperwork. They've already been given amnesty. And, the government is throwing a ton of money at them. I'm surprised they're not protesting for their friends to be able to join them. :tup:
Post by: Ridgeratt on July 18, 2013, 08:46:18 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 18, 2013, 09:41:00 PM
Not many Canadians sneak across. :sry:
Mexican grey wolf there Ridgeratt.......... :tup:
Post by: Ridgeratt on July 18, 2013, 09:43:59 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 18, 2013, 09:49:56 PM
Post by: KFhunter on July 22, 2013, 07:45:32 PM
I'd drive a few miles of backroad and run across a scent cone, drive a few more miles then run into another scent cone, and another and so on. :bash: :mgun:
I've never smelled so many dead things before in the woods.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 22, 2013, 08:47:07 PM
Post by: bearpaw on July 23, 2013, 08:12:20 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 23, 2013, 08:30:07 AM
Post by: bearpaw on July 23, 2013, 08:34:05 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 23, 2013, 08:36:34 AM
Post by: Ridgeratt on July 23, 2013, 06:56:13 PM
Who knows what I may run across. I feel more confident in buying Lotto tickets than finding a wolf!!!!
Ran into a westsider doing a Loon research project a few weeks ago and he was telling me about how they had removed them. I told him I might be able to find him one. Said we don't have any in King county. I offered to do my best to find him one.
If I had Bobcats address I would have looked for 2 of them since he was going back across the state!!!
He could have dropped one off on his way by.
Post by: KFhunter on July 23, 2013, 07:01:23 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on July 23, 2013, 07:03:36 PM
I even suggested another location he may want to go look at.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 23, 2013, 07:13:34 PM
Of course!!
I even suggested another location he may want to go look at.
.........ya, Orient !!
Post by: Ridgeratt on July 23, 2013, 08:21:40 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 23, 2013, 08:39:39 PM
Not sure I have seen any loons in Orient, But rumor has it there are a few Wacko's.
..................hmmmmmmm ?
Post by: denali on August 13, 2013, 12:34:12 PM
http://www.capitalpress.com/content/mw-Calf-update-081313?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook (http://www.capitalpress.com/content/mw-Calf-update-081313?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook)
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife plans to put a tracking collar on a Wedge Pack member this week, but wildlife managers say they will consider shooting more wolves if they continue to kill livestock.
David Ware, department game division manager, said a calf found dead July 22 on Roy Graeber's ranch in Laurier, Wash., was confirmed as a wolf kill.
"It obviously raises concern for a lot of folks," Ware said. "Folks are wanting to hold our feet to the fire, and that's not a bad thing -- the department will do what we said we would do, as best we can."
The department will trap a wolf to put a satellite collar on it to track, Ware said. No Wedge Pack wolves are currently collared.
"Just having a trapping operation on the ground sometimes is enough to get wolves to abandon the area," he said. "We would probably be extremely lucky if we were to catch anything with the limited wolf sign we are seeing, but we are still going to take a shot at it."
The Stevens County Cattlemen's Association is calling for removal of the Wedge Pack.
Because of the history of the pack, which has repeated attacked livestock in the area, Ware said the department would have to look seriously at killing the wolves if there's another depredation.
"We want to leave our options open," he said. "Even if we caught a wolf, we may decide to put a collar on it because there's multiple wolves up there. We want to find out about that so we can be more effective, dealing with what options we might have."
Ware expected trapping efforts to occur later this week.
If the department catches one wolf but sees multiple tracks, they would likely use a collar to find the other wolves, Ware said. But if the wolf potentially is attracted to a carcass, the department could remove it quickly, he said.
"We definitely would move forward with action immediately," he said.
Graeber said the calf killed in July was one of 100 pairs he raises. He estimated the loss at $900.
Graeber would like to see the department remove the entire wolf pack. He's had a department range rider and game officials inspect the area, noting he uses a 3,000-acre forest pasture. The department is working on 250 acres of about 3,000, he said. He also monitors the larger area.
Graeber doesn't believe the department will do much to remove the pack. His family and friends have 11 cameras set for motion detection on the property, baited with wolf urine or elk feed.
Graeber said there have been no additional depredations, but there are reports of wolves in the vicinity.
He advises other ranchers to contact the Stevens County Sheriff's Office if they have a wolf near their ranch.
Graeber is aware of critics who complain about how his ranch is handling the situation.
"It just makes you wonder how they'd feel if that wolf was trotting down the sidewalk with their little rat dog in its mouth," he said.
Ok, I'm confused. I thought that all the wolves were killed in the Wedge :dunno: :rolleyes:
Post by: TripleB on August 13, 2013, 03:51:41 PM
This wolf was only a few miles from Davis Lake!
Big ole coyote :chuckle: :mgun:
Post by: Curly on August 13, 2013, 04:02:18 PM
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The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife plans to put a tracking collar on a Wedge Pack member this week, but wildlife managers say they will consider shooting more wolves if they continue to kill livestock.
How is it possible to collar a wedge pack member if they shot all of them last year? :dunno:
Post by: Curly on August 13, 2013, 04:05:07 PM
Ok, I'm confused. I thought that all the wolves were killed in the Wedge :dunno: :rolleyes:
I just know went and read the rest of your post, denali. I see you were thinking the same as me. :)
I posted my previous comment immediately when reading part of the article and then went back to read the rest.
I hope WDFW feels like morons now, knowing that they could have left one of the collared wolves live and track him to his buddies and then kill the rest. :twocents:
Post by: buckfvr on August 13, 2013, 04:13:16 PM
I wish theyd just tell the warden up north to fix the problem how ever he sees fit........its on you, fix it...period.
Post by: mulehunter on August 13, 2013, 04:20:23 PM
Post by: AspenBud on August 13, 2013, 04:25:53 PM
"The original Wedge pack was confirmed in July 2012 with the capture and radio-collaring of an adult male wolf believed to be the alpha, and the capture and ear-tagging of a wolf pup. At the same time, investigations of livestock injuries and losses at other area ranches indicated the pack of at least eight wolves was likely responsible. Wolves were hazed and livestock owners were issued a permit to kill a wolf caught in the act of attacking livestock. When wolf-livestock attacks continued into August, one wolf was killed to try to break the pattern of depredation. As livestock injuries and losses escalated into September, efforts to remove wolves continued, and ultimately six additional wolves were killed. "
I guess it depends what "removal" means and to whom. 7 out of at least 8 tells me they decided they had taken out enough, not all of them. The rest was, obviously, spin.
On the flip side, if wolves are as prolific as would seem to be the case I don't see why they couldn't be new arrivals. Either way it doesn't matter a lot. They are there.
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 13, 2013, 04:30:05 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 13, 2013, 04:32:56 PM
State to collar wolf in effort to track Wedge Pack
http://www.capitalpress.com/content/mw-Calf-update-081313?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook (http://www.capitalpress.com/content/mw-Calf-update-081313?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook)
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife plans to put a tracking collar on a Wedge Pack member this week, but wildlife managers say they will consider shooting more wolves if they continue to kill livestock.
David Ware, department game division manager, said a calf found dead July 22 on Roy Graeber's ranch in Laurier, Wash., was confirmed as a wolf kill.
"It obviously raises concern for a lot of folks," Ware said. "Folks are wanting to hold our feet to the fire, and that's not a bad thing -- the department will do what we said we would do, as best we can."
The department will trap a wolf to put a satellite collar on it to track, Ware said. No Wedge Pack wolves are currently collared.
"Just having a trapping operation on the ground sometimes is enough to get wolves to abandon the area," he said. "We would probably be extremely lucky if we were to catch anything with the limited wolf sign we are seeing, but we are still going to take a shot at it."
The Stevens County Cattlemen's Association is calling for removal of the Wedge Pack.
Because of the history of the pack, which has repeated attacked livestock in the area, Ware said the department would have to look seriously at killing the wolves if there's another depredation.
"We want to leave our options open," he said. "Even if we caught a wolf, we may decide to put a collar on it because there's multiple wolves up there. We want to find out about that so we can be more effective, dealing with what options we might have."
Ware expected trapping efforts to occur later this week.
If the department catches one wolf but sees multiple tracks, they would likely use a collar to find the other wolves, Ware said. But if the wolf potentially is attracted to a carcass, the department could remove it quickly, he said.
"We definitely would move forward with action immediately," he said.
Graeber said the calf killed in July was one of 100 pairs he raises. He estimated the loss at $900.
Graeber would like to see the department remove the entire wolf pack. He's had a department range rider and game officials inspect the area, noting he uses a 3,000-acre forest pasture. The department is working on 250 acres of about 3,000, he said. He also monitors the larger area.
Graeber doesn't believe the department will do much to remove the pack. His family and friends have 11 cameras set for motion detection on the property, baited with wolf urine or elk feed.
Graeber said there have been no additional depredations, but there are reports of wolves in the vicinity.
He advises other ranchers to contact the Stevens County Sheriff's Office if they have a wolf near their ranch.
Graeber is aware of critics who complain about how his ranch is handling the situation.
"It just makes you wonder how they'd feel if that wolf was trotting down the sidewalk with their little rat dog in its mouth," he said.
Ok, I'm confused. I thought that all the wolves were killed in the Wedge :dunno: :rolleyes:
This is what I was told by a Sheriff I know. He said the only wolves that were killed, were killed to appease the general public ( treehuggers ). He told me there were more that weren't killed because the WDFW thought that it was good enough for the general public to know.
Post by: buckfvr on August 13, 2013, 04:38:13 PM
Post by: KFhunter on August 13, 2013, 06:52:26 PM
one pack my azz :bash:
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 13, 2013, 07:25:32 PM