Post by: Davis4507 on July 14, 2013, 02:57:47 PM
Post by: denali on July 14, 2013, 03:13:00 PM
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rifles/rfb/ (http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rifles/rfb/)
Post by: Bean Counter on July 14, 2013, 03:14:59 PM
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Post by: grundy53 on July 14, 2013, 03:19:51 PM
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Post by: coop2424 on July 14, 2013, 03:31:45 PM
Post by: JoeE on July 14, 2013, 03:43:37 PM
I'm sure somebody is going to chime in and tell you they aren't assault rifles but "modern sporting rifles" or some crap. However, they are most definitely assault rifles because I guarantee the idea and design behind every single one of those rifles was for a military/defense type application.
I say if you want a dual purpose gun that's fun to shoot then why not use one?
Post by: Huntbear on July 14, 2013, 03:48:59 PM
Love the accuracy out of it.
Post by: Bean Counter on July 14, 2013, 03:49:41 PM
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I'm sure somebody is going to chime in and tell you they aren't assault rifles but "modern sporting rifles" or some crap. However, they are most definitely assault rifles because I guarantee the idea and design behind every single one of those rifles was for a military/defense type application.
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So did Lee Harvey Oswald's rifle cease to be hunting rifle and automatically become a sniper rifle? Or was it an assault rifle, too?
I think 'somebody' objects to the idea his or her MSR or "some crap" being called that when the same rifle in the hands of a DHS employee becomes a "Personal Defense Weapon." :twocents:
Post by: gasman on July 14, 2013, 03:51:56 PM
Great gun to shoot, with great ballistics, but its a pain trying to find ammo and reloading stuff for it :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: Bean Counter on July 14, 2013, 03:52:12 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 14, 2013, 03:58:58 PM
I have a kel-tec RFB, a unique hunting rifleI know a guy who shot a bear with that rifle. Did the trick.
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rifles/rfb/ (http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rifles/rfb/)
Post by: JoeE on July 14, 2013, 04:42:51 PM
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I'm sure somebody is going to chime in and tell you they aren't assault rifles but "modern sporting rifles" or some crap. However, they are most definitely assault rifles because I guarantee the idea and design behind every single one of those rifles was for a military/defense type application.
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So did Lee Harvey Oswald's rifle cease to be hunting rifle and automatically become a sniper rifle? Or was it an assault rifle, too?
I think 'somebody' objects to the idea his or her MSR or "some crap" being called that when the same rifle in the hands of a DHS employee becomes a "Personal Defense Weapon." :twocents:
I see what you're saying, I think they should be called the same thing no matter who's hands they are in. DHS, the military, police or a private citizen. The most common of these rifles today is the AR platform. When it was designed in the 1950's by Eugene Stoner it's intended use was for people. So we can call them what they want but I will continue to call it what it was designed for :twocents:
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Post by: Lincoln4 on July 14, 2013, 05:02:28 PM
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Post by: Austrian Hunter on July 14, 2013, 05:16:33 PM
Post by: denali on July 14, 2013, 05:20:58 PM
I have a kel-tec RFB, a unique hunting rifleI know a guy who shot a bear with that rifle. Did the trick.
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rifles/rfb/ (http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rifles/rfb/)
as did I, a small sow, the best brush gun ever designed....period...that'll get the gun guy's going :chuckle:
Post by: runamuk on July 14, 2013, 05:21:08 PM
I know people that use them for deer, they are great for coyotes too.
I'm sure somebody is going to chime in and tell you they aren't assault rifles but "modern sporting rifles" or some crap. However, they are most definitely assault rifles because I guarantee the idea and design behind every single one of those rifles was for a military/defense type application.
I say if you want a dual purpose gun that's fun to shoot then why not use one?
then call it a military platform....assault suggests all one does is go around terrorizing people... which maybe is some peoples intent in owning one they think they look all badrearend...kinda like owning a Rottweiler or wearing gangsta looking clothing.... others realize there are some inherent good qualities to these platforms for both target shooting enjoyment and hunting applications. The qualities that made them a good choice for military are the same that make them a good choice for beating the brush and bad conditions with some forms of hunting.
I like shooting them because they are fun, and some are accurate as can be, I still think they look rather military and ugly to be honest.....but even I got past how much I hated the look and reputation and discovered an amazing platform. And the AR designation does NOT stand for assault rifle and continuing to perpetuate that fallacy does no favors to the gun owners who want to continue to have these guns available for our personal use.
just saying :)
Post by: westside bull on July 14, 2013, 05:23:42 PM
Post by: buckfvr on July 14, 2013, 05:34:49 PM
Post by: JoeE on July 14, 2013, 05:43:43 PM
I know people that use them for deer, they are great for coyotes too.
I'm sure somebody is going to chime in and tell you they aren't assault rifles but "modern sporting rifles" or some crap. However, they are most definitely assault rifles because I guarantee the idea and design behind every single one of those rifles was for a military/defense type application.
I say if you want a dual purpose gun that's fun to shoot then why not use one?
then call it a military platform....assault suggests all one does is go around terrorizing people... which maybe is some peoples intent in owning one they think they look all badrearend...kinda like owning a Rottweiler or wearing gangsta looking clothing.... others realize there are some inherent good qualities to these platforms for both target shooting enjoyment and hunting applications. The qualities that made them a good choice for military are the same that make them a good choice for beating the brush and bad conditions with some forms of hunting.
I like shooting them because they are fun, and some are accurate as can be, I still think they look rather military and ugly to be honest.....but even I got past how much I hated the look and reputation and discovered an amazing platform. And the AR designation does NOT stand for assault rifle and continuing to perpetuate that fallacy does no favors to the gun owners who want to continue to have these guns available for our personal use.
just saying :)
Haha...I never once said that AR stood for assault rifle. It stands for armalite. We called them "battle rifles" when I was in the Marine Corps. Like I said, call them what you want, but all you're doing is sugar coating what they are actually designed for. And I don't see a reason for doing that.
If I buy an M1 Abrams battle tank should I call it a "modern sporting vehicle" if all I use it for is off roading and mudding? Or will it still be a tank?
Post by: actionshooter on July 14, 2013, 05:50:32 PM
However, they are most definitely assault rifles because I guarantee the idea and design behind every single one of those rifles was for a military/defense type application.
Both lever action rifles and clip fed bolt guns were designed and improved upon for military reasons. At what point did people stop considering them military weapons?
Assault rifles = full auto
Post by: grundy53 on July 14, 2013, 05:54:17 PM
However, they are most definitely assault rifles because I guarantee the idea and design behind every single one of those rifles was for a military/defense type application.
Both lever action rifles and clip fed bolt guns were designed and improved upon for military reasons. At what point did people stop considering them military weapons?
Assault rifles = full auto
:yeah: In fact you can throw in muzzleloaders and bows. If you go back far enough most weapons that we use to hunt were developed or at least used for war. So using JoeE's train of thought everything we hunt with is an assault weapon....
Post by: actionshooter on July 14, 2013, 06:02:16 PM
Post by: runamuk on July 14, 2013, 06:45:18 PM
"Assault Weapon" is a term the media cooked up to sell TV coverage and newspapers. If anyone thinks you can walk into a store and buy an "assault rifle", you better look up the true definition.yep same as the terms puppymill to describe commercial breeding of dogs, and factory farm to describe high density stockyard type farming...if we choose to feed into it we equip our enemies, we can choose to educate. People see the letter A and the letter R and if they do not know better the media and the anti's have convinced them this stands for assault and rifle I mean its obvious isn't it :dunno: as a responsible gun owner isnt it better to educate than to just ignore or worse admonish or belittle those who might not know but might be interested in the reality?
and as was stated almost all rifles etc were originally created for war or for killing people, to win wars gain power etc....only over time did they prove to be useful tools for providing food and later for sport :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: snowpack on July 14, 2013, 06:48:41 PM
If I buy an M1 Abrams battle tank should I call it a "modern sporting vehicle" if all I use it for is off roading and mudding? Or will it still be a tank?
No, it's a modern battlefield tank. If you buy some plate and weld it up to a bull dozer, you can call it a military style tractor. The AR rifles have different internals than the battlefield rifles. They are designed to be semi-automatic and look/feel like military rifles...not provide extreme force multiplication and engage in modern battle.
If I take a ruger 10/22 and accessorize it to be tacticool, is it now an assault rifle...is it any deadlier?
Post by: Gunsmoke on July 14, 2013, 06:53:55 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on July 14, 2013, 06:56:25 PM
However, they are most definitely assault rifles because I guarantee the idea and design behind every single one of those rifles was for a military/defense type application.
Both lever action rifles and clip fed bolt guns were designed and improved upon for military reasons. At what point did people stop considering them military weapons?
Assault rifles = full auto
:yeah: In fact you can throw in muzzleloaders and bows. If you go back far enough most weapons that we use to hunt were developed or at least used for war. So using JoeE's train of thought everything we hunt with is an assault weapon....
WHOA there. Stop saying things like that. I dont need Pelosi coming after my bow. :chuckle:
Post by: grundy53 on July 14, 2013, 06:58:01 PM
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Post by: runamuk on July 14, 2013, 07:02:57 PM
well if it has wheels and pulleys and sights and stuff it is obviously an assault bow...duhHowever, they are most definitely assault rifles because I guarantee the idea and design behind every single one of those rifles was for a military/defense type application.
Both lever action rifles and clip fed bolt guns were designed and improved upon for military reasons. At what point did people stop considering them military weapons?
Assault rifles = full auto
:yeah: In fact you can throw in muzzleloaders and bows. If you go back far enough most weapons that we use to hunt were developed or at least used for war. So using JoeE's train of thought everything we hunt with is an assault weapon....
WHOA there. Stop saying things like that. I dont need Pelosi coming after my bow. :chuckle:
Post by: wadu1 on July 14, 2013, 07:56:52 PM
Post by: Huntbear on July 14, 2013, 08:29:10 PM
If I buy an M1 Abrams battle tank should I call it a "modern sporting vehicle" if all I use it for is off roading and mudding? Or will it still be a tank?
No, it's a modern battlefield tank. If you buy some plate and weld it up to a bull dozer, you can call it a military style tractor. The AR rifles have different internals than the battlefield rifles. They are designed to be semi-automatic and look/feel like military rifles...not provide extreme force multiplication and engage in modern battle.
If I take a ruger 10/22 and accessorize it to be tacticool, is it now an assault rifle...is it any deadlier?
Well said. No where on my AR can I switch it to FULL AUTO or to shoot 3+ round bursts.. I have to pull and release the trigger on every shot. Just like if I was shooting a Rem. 740, a Win. 100, or a BAR... # of rounds I carry in a magazine does nothing to qualify it as an Assault Rifle of any kind.
Post by: jjdavis2222 on July 14, 2013, 08:36:38 PM
Post by: 6.8mmARHunter on July 14, 2013, 08:46:53 PM
It's a 6.8mm SPC II. It fires a 0.277" 115grain Spitzer Boat Tail projectile (same diameter as a 270 Winchester, and I think the 270 has killed a few deer) at ~2500 fps. It's more that adequate for deer size animals.
It doubles as a home defense weapon as well as defense against Zombies, Sasquatch, Illegal Farmers (think pot growing operation), Crack heads etc...
It's fun for off season target shooting as well.
If someone doesn't like the way it looks (because it's so evil looking), then they don't have to look at it.
Sam
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Post by: runamuk on July 14, 2013, 08:57:23 PM
I dont get what everyone's hang up is? He's looking for a fun gun that he can use for deer hunting and can go shoot for fun after hunting season. Assault rifle or tactical rifle? What ever you want to call them. He's not asking for a debate.because feeding into the anti's agenda by calling it an assault rifle simply feeds into the banning of this fun tool :dunno: no one has said they are not fun and great to hunt with just that the name he used is really a name created by the very people who want to make these guns illegal based only on how they look :dunno: why should we not educate when we can? or is ignorance a better option :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on July 14, 2013, 09:01:28 PM
Post by: biggfish on July 14, 2013, 09:04:03 PM
I'm sure somebody is going to chime in and tell you they aren't assault rifles but "modern sporting rifles" or some crap. However, they are most definitely assault rifles because I guarantee the idea and design behind every single one of those rifles was for a military/defense type application.If you want to get right down to it all rifles were designed for military/defense applications we just adapted them for civilian usage.
Post by: PolarBear on July 14, 2013, 09:15:17 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on July 14, 2013, 09:20:53 PM
What would have been a better term for him to use? It seems that by using the term "assault rifle" everyone knew what he was talking about.I have always referred to it as an "AR" style rifle. The term assault rifle referres to how the rifle is used not how it looks.
Post by: actionshooter on July 14, 2013, 09:24:15 PM
What would have been a better term for him to use? It seems that by using the term "assault rifle" everyone knew what he was talking about.
AR15, black guns, black rifle, Colt sporter, or named any of several models and everyone would have known what he was talking about.
Assault rifle is not an accurate description of an AR15 and if I belonged to the ACLU and owned an AR15, it would be offensive. :)
Post by: dscubame on July 14, 2013, 09:26:23 PM
Post by: JoeE on July 14, 2013, 09:28:07 PM
Post by: Bob33 on July 14, 2013, 09:38:47 PM
"I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms. I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers." Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms." This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries."
Post by: runamuk on July 14, 2013, 09:42:06 PM
yup...What would have been a better term for him to use? It seems that by using the term "assault rifle" everyone knew what he was talking about.
AR15, black guns, black rifle, Colt sporter, or named any of several models and everyone would have known what he was talking about.
Assault rifle is not an accurate description of an AR15 and if I belonged to the ACLU and owned an AR15, it would be offensive. :)
In 2007 Jim Zumbo made the following comments. As I recall it didn't turn out very well for him.
"I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms. I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers." Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms." This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries."
bingo....this is why it matters but that is ok we can all be happy when we have only a few guns to choose from, and no more lead oh yes and background checks for private sales... :tup:
Post by: ICEMAN on July 14, 2013, 09:51:12 PM
looking to buy a new rifle for deer hunting but also want to use it outside of the season for fun shooting (assualt rifle). does anyone have any info or ideas?
Usually members are a bit uneasey to aswer up to a question like this from a new member with only one post....
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 14, 2013, 09:53:14 PM
Post by: sled on July 14, 2013, 10:00:28 PM
Post by: dscubame on July 14, 2013, 10:20:35 PM
looking to buy a new rifle for deer hunting but also want to use it outside of the season for fun shooting (assualt rifle). does anyone have any info or ideas?
Usually members are a bit uneasey to aswer up to a question like this from a new member with only one post....
Pretty basic question. Cannot think of a less harmless inquiry. :dunno:
Post by: jjdavis2222 on July 14, 2013, 10:23:58 PM
looking to buy a new rifle for deer hunting but also want to use it outside of the season for fun shooting (assualt rifle). does anyone have any info or ideas?
Usually members are a bit uneasey to aswer up to a question like this from a new member with only one post....
Pretty basic question. Cannot think of a less harmless inquiry. :dunno:
Post by: xXLojackXx on July 14, 2013, 10:25:08 PM
If I were going to buy an AAR (animal assault rifle) I would probably look at a Rock River or Remigton R25 in .243 Win. Or if you want to be a baller then a LaRue PredatAR 7.62 at $2500.
Post by: jjdavis2222 on July 14, 2013, 10:26:34 PM
Post by: grundy53 on July 14, 2013, 10:31:56 PM
Rock River 458 SOCOM for me, put's a 450 to shame.
How does it put a .450 to shame?
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Post by: ICEMAN on July 14, 2013, 10:34:53 PM
What's the big deal Iceman? Looking for a recommendations on a gun? Where else should he look? PETA.com? Some people are so paranoid.
I am ofter weary of someone trolling the site and wanting to post a question like this, withought giving a bit more info first...
Call me paranoid...
Post by: stevemiller on July 14, 2013, 10:53:04 PM
Pm coming iceWhat's the big deal Iceman? Looking for a recommendations on a gun? Where else should he look? PETA.com? Some people are so paranoid.
I am ofter weary of someone trolling the site and wanting to post a question like this, withought giving a bit more info first...
Call me paranoid...
Post by: PA BEN on July 15, 2013, 05:42:41 AM
"Assault Weapon" is a term the media cooked up to sell TV coverage and newspapers. If anyone thinks you can walk into a store and buy an "assault rifle", you better look up the true definition.I'm glad to see someone call this on this topic. An "ASSAULT RIFLE" has selective fire, IE; semi auto or full auto. It's a sad day when gun owners help out the anti's. JOIN THE NRA.
Post by: Special T on July 15, 2013, 06:15:27 AM
Post by: jackmaster on July 15, 2013, 06:45:01 AM
RUNAMUK you could be an awesome politician, you should look into it :tup: we need a few for are side for sure, and piannoman is gonna be president someday, dang we might just get stuff back on the right track after all :chuckle: :tup:I dont get what everyone's hang up is? He's looking for a fun gun that he can use for deer hunting and can go shoot for fun after hunting season. Assault rifle or tactical rifle? What ever you want to call them. He's not asking for a debate.because feeding into the anti's agenda by calling it an assault rifle simply feeds into the banning of this fun tool :dunno: no one has said they are not fun and great to hunt with just that the name he used is really a name created by the very people who want to make these guns illegal based only on how they look :dunno: why should we not educate when we can? or is ignorance a better option :dunno:
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 15, 2013, 07:15:34 AM
Post by: Special T on July 15, 2013, 07:19:23 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 15, 2013, 10:05:34 AM
Rock River 458 SOCOM for me, put's a 450 to shame.
How does it put a .450 to shame?
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More bullet selections and you can use standard 223 mags.
Post by: grundy53 on July 15, 2013, 10:09:46 AM
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Post by: dscubame on July 15, 2013, 10:21:44 AM
Judging from the fact that the original post is this guy's only post, I would say this is a troll.
Or more likely he wants nothing to do with this forum based on the ridiculous comments, replies, and turns this thread took on such a simple inquiry and topic.
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on July 15, 2013, 10:36:01 AM
Post by: huntnphool on July 15, 2013, 10:40:20 AM
Yeah, and then not a peep out of them. :chuckle:What's the big deal Iceman? Looking for a recommendations on a gun? Where else should he look? PETA.com? Some people are so paranoid.
I am ofter weary of someone trolling the site and wanting to post a question like this
Post by: stevemiller on July 15, 2013, 10:43:32 AM
Post by: runamuk on July 15, 2013, 11:00:41 AM
Judging from the fact that the original post is this guy's only post, I would say this is a troll.common topic choice for that.
I still think its a good thread with good information both on the rifles themselves and the choice of language we use to describe these rifles.
No politics for me, told my US History teacher in 11th grade the same thing.. and I said N O....politics is not for me, besides I have skeletons in my closet and would like to spend my days adding to that closet :chuckle: :chuckle: way funner to live life how I want and not live of to some politically appropriate ideal :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: h2ofowlr on July 15, 2013, 11:38:50 AM
Judging from the fact that the original post is this guy's only post, I would say this is a troll.
looking to buy a new rifle for deer hunting but also want to use it outside of the season for fun shooting (assualt rifle). does anyone have any info or ideas?
Possibly, since he calls it an assault rifle in brackets vs. an AR rifle as most with gun knowledge us. (Armalite Rifle). I think the AR platforms are seeing growing popularity in whitetail and pig hunting communities. Outside of predator control.
Post by: dscubame on July 15, 2013, 11:41:06 AM
What's the big deal Iceman? Looking for a recommendations on a gun? Where else should he look? PETA.com? Some people are so paranoid.
I am ofter weary of someone trolling the site and wanting to post a question like this, withought giving a bit more info first...
Call me paranoid...
Whats the downside? What is there to be paranoid about? Educate me if you would as I am definitely missing something. Maybe start a thread about trolls or not since this one was jacked a long time ago. This question Ice is coming from a good place I just want to understand a bit more if you would elaborate.
Post by: jackmaster on July 15, 2013, 12:03:08 PM
oh true dat, i no i could never be a politician, mostly cause i tell it how it is, but dang i might have a few skeletons kickn around myself :chuckle: :chuckle:Judging from the fact that the original post is this guy's only post, I would say this is a troll.common topic choice for that.
I still think its a good thread with good information both on the rifles themselves and the choice of language we use to describe these rifles.
No politics for me, told my US History teacher in 11th grade the same thing.. and I said N O....politics is not for me, besides I have skeletons in my closet and would like to spend my days adding to that closet :chuckle: :chuckle: way funner to live life how I want and not live of to some politically appropriate ideal :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on July 15, 2013, 12:10:56 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 15, 2013, 12:12:13 PM
I know some guys that hunt with assualt rifles...me personally I hunt with a sniper rifle....it is scoped you know.
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on July 15, 2013, 12:13:36 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 15, 2013, 12:49:34 PM
That's putting it to shame? Lol. You're also paying way more for those bullets.
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You're not kidding. My new brass is a $ 1.00 each. I bought all the reloading stuff for it and have a small fortune wrapped up in it. You can't find loaded ammo or brass. I thought ahead and bought as much loaded ammo and brass as I could, thanks to Obumbles.
My barrel is worth 2 times what I paid for it too.
Post by: grundy53 on July 15, 2013, 01:19:06 PM
That's putting it to shame? Lol. You're also paying way more for those bullets.
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You're not kidding. My new brass is a $ 1.00 each. I bought all the reloading stuff for it and have a small fortune wrapped up in it. You can't find loaded ammo or brass. I thought ahead and bought as much loaded ammo and brass as I could, thanks to Obumbles.
My barrel is worth 2 times what I paid for it too.
That was some good foresight. Definitely good to have a stockpile. You can never have too much ammo.
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Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 15, 2013, 01:28:41 PM
Two pictures, Ruger 10/22. Besides the barrel everything else is cosmetic. Is this an Assault Rifle now? :bash:
OMG, I nearly passed out in a fit of hysterics just from the picture! That thing is DAN-GER-OUS! Please post your address so I can mark it as unsafe.
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 15, 2013, 03:11:14 PM
Judging from the fact that the original post is this guy's only post, I would say this is a troll.
Or more likely he wants nothing to do with this forum based on the ridiculous comments, replies, and turns this thread took on such a simple inquiry and topic.
I doubt it. He would have objected to those comments. Not a single second post in 74 comments? No one who knows anything about guns calls them assault rifles, especially right now.
Post by: jjdavis2222 on July 15, 2013, 04:24:35 PM
Judging from the fact that the original post is this guy's only post, I would say this is a troll.
Or more likely he wants nothing to do with this forum based on the ridiculous comments, replies, and turns this thread took on such a simple inquiry and topic.
I doubt it. He would have objected to those comments. Not a single second post in 74 comments? No one who knows anything about guns calls them assault rifles, especially right now.
Lets clarify this for some of you who are acting like someone is stalking them!
The OP happens to be my brother and last year was his 1st year in a long time hunting. He enjoyed it and wants to get his own gun but wants something that would be fun to shoot outside of deer season. So he asked me my thoughts and I didn't know so I pointed him to this site.
I don't get what the big deal is? What are you guys afraid of? What harm can come from him asking? WTF is a "Troll" and what kind of trouble could you get in to simply answer his question?
If you don't have any input to his question why comment? Got nothing better to do?
Man this site has really gone down hill the past couple years. To much politics! I guess when you have this many people you are always going to have...
Thanks to those who answered his question sincerely.
Post by: stevemiller on July 15, 2013, 04:37:21 PM
Post by: h20hunter on July 15, 2013, 04:43:19 PM
Post by: runamuk on July 15, 2013, 04:44:46 PM
I guess other than an AK i would suggest a caliber suited for thin skinned game....like deer.and a legal hunting caliber as well is a must so brush up on the regs and the platforms and what they come in :)
Post by: stevemiller on July 15, 2013, 04:50:04 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 15, 2013, 05:01:20 PM
Judging from the fact that the original post is this guy's only post, I would say this is a troll.
Or more likely he wants nothing to do with this forum based on the ridiculous comments, replies, and turns this thread took on such a simple inquiry and topic.
I doubt it. He would have objected to those comments. Not a single second post in 74 comments? No one who knows anything about guns calls them assault rifles, especially right now.
Lets clarify this for some of you who are acting like someone is stalking them!
The OP happens to be my brother and last year was his 1st year in a long time hunting. He enjoyed it and wants to get his own gun but wants something that would be fun to shoot outside of deer season. So he asked me my thoughts and I didn't know so I pointed him to this site.
I don't get what the big deal is? What are you guys afraid of? What harm can come from him asking? WTF is a "Troll" and what kind of trouble could you get in to simply answer his question?
If you don't have any input to his question why comment? Got nothing better to do?
Man this site has really gone down hill the past couple years. To much politics! I guess when you have this many people you are always going to have...
Thanks to those who answered his question sincerely.
There are too many wanna be politically correct people on here. The will argue about anything to be right. That's why I don't visit this site too much anymore. But, there are some very good people on here too.
Post by: huntnphool on July 15, 2013, 05:14:09 PM
Post by: JoeE on July 15, 2013, 05:18:34 PM
Post by: actionshooter on July 15, 2013, 06:26:35 PM
But to answer the OP's question, absolutely use one if you want. An AR-10 or an M1A would work great. And call it an assault rifle too because watching people get butt hurt over nothing is funny.
Not butt hurt here, call it what you want. Personally I prefer NOT to help out the antigun media by playing into there game.
For the OP, I would say go for it.
An AR15 can be a extremely accurate reliable firearm which also happens to be a lot of fun.
I may have killed a critter or two with one.
Post by: snowpack on July 15, 2013, 06:31:42 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on July 15, 2013, 06:52:29 PM
Not exactly correct there P-man. I think there were several people here on this thread that referred to them as "assault rifles".Judging from the fact that the original post is this guy's only post, I would say this is a troll.
Or more likely he wants nothing to do with this forum based on the ridiculous comments, replies, and turns this thread took on such a simple inquiry and topic.
I doubt it. He would have objected to those comments. Not a single second post in 74 comments? No one who knows anything about guns calls them assault rifles, especially right now.
Post by: ICEMAN on July 15, 2013, 07:27:29 PM
What's the big deal Iceman? Looking for a recommendations on a gun? Where else should he look? PETA.com? Some people are so paranoid.
I am ofter weary of someone trolling the site and wanting to post a question like this, withought giving a bit more info first...
Call me paranoid...
Whats the downside? What is there to be paranoid about? Educate me if you would as I am definitely missing something. Maybe start a thread about trolls or not since this one was jacked a long time ago. This question Ice is coming from a good place I just want to understand a bit more if you would elaborate.
No problem.
Here is a bit more of my thought...
With the recent national discussion about guns, that many liberals would never try to take away our hunting rifle choices, just that they have a real "problem" with the big bad scary assault rifle, I feel that any new "member" who is asking on his first post in a round about way how many of us 'hunt with AR platform weapons'...., I view the question with suspicion.
Post by: turkeyfeather on July 15, 2013, 07:33:57 PM
Post by: dscubame on July 15, 2013, 07:43:44 PM
What's the big deal Iceman? Looking for a recommendations on a gun? Where else should he look? PETA.com? Some people are so paranoid.
I am ofter weary of someone trolling the site and wanting to post a question like this, withought giving a bit more info first...
Call me paranoid...
Whats the downside? What is there to be paranoid about? Educate me if you would as I am definitely missing something. Maybe start a thread about trolls or not since this one was jacked a long time ago. This question Ice is coming from a good place I just want to understand a bit more if you would elaborate.
No problem.
Here is a bit more of my thought...
With the recent national discussion about guns, that many liberals would never try to take away our hunting rifle choices, just that they have a real "problem" with the big bad scary assault rifle, I feel that any new "member" who is asking on his first post in a round about way how many of us 'hunt with AR platform weapons'...., I view the question with suspicion.
Thanks. I understand what you are saying.
Post by: runamuk on July 15, 2013, 07:45:07 PM
But to answer the OP's question, absolutely use one if you want. An AR-10 or an M1A would work great. And call it an assault rifle too because watching people get butt hurt over nothing is funny.no one is butthurt that I saw :dunno: but not learning to use language to our advantage will be our downfall.
Post by: Davis4507 on July 15, 2013, 09:24:53 PM
Post by: MatthewHunter98 on July 15, 2013, 09:37:55 PM
Post by: runamuk on July 15, 2013, 09:58:34 PM
haha. wow! holy S#*T! First off, thank you to the people with some common sense and giving me some really useful information. i truely appreciate it. im kinda thinking about an AR-10 .260. Love the pics guys! Sorry to the people who i upset with the ASSAULT RIFLE title. man im such an idiot. But thats what i know them as and im sure you all know what the hell im talking about. i do solemnly swear i will try to be a better gun advocate and call them by a attack rifle, combat rifle, recreational rifle, oh man i know im missing one.... aw well :Pits all good and when you get one and find it extremely enjoyable and the gov bans you from owning it making it illegal because it looks like__________ <insert scary name here> well...just ask the bear baiters and houndsmen how it feels :tup: :)
good luck finding something you will enjoy there are lots of options and many are deer legal, most are fun and some are so crazy accurate its almost boring shooting in close .... try and shoot one before deciding for sure as has been mentioned they are heavy and dont sling up like a more standard sporter rifle.
Post by: Bean Counter on July 16, 2013, 12:46:32 AM
But to answer the OP's question, absolutely use one if you want. An AR-10 or an M1A would work great. And call it an assault rifle too because watching people get butt hurt over nothing is funny.no one is butthurt that I saw :dunno: but not learning to use language to our advantage will be our downfall.
+1 :yeah:
:tup:
Post by: dscubame on July 16, 2013, 05:27:17 AM
haha. wow! holy S#*T! First off, thank you to the people with some common sense and giving me some really useful information. i truely appreciate it. im kinda thinking about an AR-10 .260. Love the pics guys! Sorry to the people who i upset with the ASSAULT RIFLE title. man im such an idiot. But thats what i know them as and im sure you all know what the hell im talking about. i do solemnly swear i will try to be a better gun advocate and call them by a attack rifle, combat rifle, recreational rifle, oh man i know im missing one.... aw well :P
LOL LOL welcome to Hunt-WA. If you stick around you will learn much about hunting and even more about human behavior. Both are a interesting study on this website.
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 16, 2013, 06:28:02 AM
Not exactly correct there P-man. I think there were several people here on this thread that referred to them as "assault rifles".Judging from the fact that the original post is this guy's only post, I would say this is a troll.
Or more likely he wants nothing to do with this forum based on the ridiculous comments, replies, and turns this thread took on such a simple inquiry and topic.
I doubt it. He would have objected to those comments. Not a single second post in 74 comments? No one who knows anything about guns calls them assault rifles, especially right now.
You're correct. It's usually a tip-off for me that someone doesn't know what they're talking about with regards to firearms. But, they certainly have been referred to that way.
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 16, 2013, 06:30:11 AM
haha. wow! holy S#*T! First off, thank you to the people with some common sense and giving me some really useful information. i truely appreciate it. im kinda thinking about an AR-10 .260. Love the pics guys! Sorry to the people who i upset with the ASSAULT RIFLE title. man im such an idiot. But thats what i know them as and im sure you all know what the hell im talking about. i do solemnly swear i will try to be a better gun advocate and call them by a attack rifle, combat rifle, recreational rifle, oh man i know im missing one.... aw well :P
No problem from me and you're not an idiot. I'm sure at sometime in the past I've referred to them the same way - it's just been a long time since. Thanks for posting again. MSR is a good one, too - Modern Sporting Rifle. Have a good day. :tup:
Post by: jackmaster on July 16, 2013, 06:39:04 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on July 16, 2013, 06:54:21 AM
haha. wow! holy S#*T! First off, thank you to the people with some common sense and giving me some really useful information. i truely appreciate it. im kinda thinking about an AR-10 .260. Love the pics guys! Sorry to the people who i upset with the ASSAULT RIFLE title. man im such an idiot. But thats what i know them as and im sure you all know what the hell im talking about. i do solemnly swear i will try to be a better gun advocate and call them by a attack rifle, combat rifle, recreational rifle, oh man i know im missing one.... aw well :P
MSR is one name. Sports Utility Rifle is another.
This is a rough time of year for a hunting forum. People will lighten up when some dead animals start hitting the ground.
Post by: dscubame on July 16, 2013, 06:59:19 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 16, 2013, 07:00:49 AM
Post by: JoeE on July 16, 2013, 07:01:48 AM
And about the sling...just do an internet search there are hundreds of them available and something should suit your needs.
Post by: JoeE on July 16, 2013, 07:02:27 AM
Where is the word police with all the people on here referring to mags as clips? Clips are used on a M1 Garand.
:yeah:
Post by: dscubame on July 16, 2013, 07:05:21 AM
You do like to keep it stirred up, DS! :chuckle: :chuckle:
Sometimes however I have mellowed over the time I have been on here learing how easy it is to fail in communicating the tone and intent of the post. But yes a little stir is in my blood. :brew:
Post by: ICEMAN on July 16, 2013, 08:17:59 AM
LOL LOL welcome to Hunt-WA. If you stick around you will learn much about hunting and even more about human behavior. Both are a interesting study on this website.
Most truthful Quote of the week! :chuckle:
Post by: JohnVH on July 16, 2013, 08:34:30 AM
Post by: xXLojackXx on July 16, 2013, 08:35:03 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 16, 2013, 08:44:24 AM
It's threads like this that turn this website to *censored*. Everyone knows damn well what he was asking in the OP. quit making this into some big political debate on his wording and lets get back to talking about hunting.
No we didn't know damned well. He had a single post and that often means troll. Especially with the gun grabbers lately, it's naïve to think that everyone who posts is who they appear to be. He posted again and acknowledged that his first post looked weird. It was a little weird for a single post. All seems to be good now unless someone comes along and kicks dirt on it, if you know what I mean.
Post by: luvmystang67 on July 16, 2013, 08:46:43 AM
Post by: h20hunter on July 16, 2013, 08:48:37 AM
Post by: runamuk on July 16, 2013, 08:51:57 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 16, 2013, 08:53:25 AM
Post by: luvmystang67 on July 16, 2013, 09:11:14 AM
Post by: denali on July 16, 2013, 07:18:12 PM
Post by: curlewkiller on July 16, 2013, 07:37:55 PM
Post by: dscubame on July 16, 2013, 07:41:20 PM
Post by: bear hunter on July 16, 2013, 07:43:52 PM
Post by: philepe on July 16, 2013, 08:12:23 PM
AR15 = lightweight, short. .223 of course not legal for big game in WA, but you have a plethora of calibers that are legal such as. 6.8 spc,(make sure you get the SPC II chamber if you want the fastest loads) 300-350 yard maximum effective range with most bullets, pretty good amount of store ammo and reloading components available. 6.5 Grendel, similar to 6.8 under 350 yards but after that retains velocity better, not as many options as the 6.8. 243wssm, nuff said. 450 beowolf, & 458 socom & 300 blackout Im not familiar with but pretty much short range and ability to be suppressed. AR10 is bigger brother and takes longer cases such as .308 and plenty of others.
IF you hunt with it be prepared for lots of conversations just like you see here. Almost everyone looks at you kinda funny until you explain why. It is pretty damn nice to have a scoped hunting rifle and when the terrain gets too thick for the scope remove the quick detach scope mounts and use the iron sights, kinds like 2 guns in 1 sexy lil package.
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 17, 2013, 06:16:23 AM
I will give you my :twocents: . Why get upset if someone calls it an assault rifle. I think caving in and worrying about names of guns plays into the anti's hands. You are damn right my AR is ready for assault if I need it. It is the point of the gun.
It's very simple. The term assault rifle is used to convince people unfamiliar with firearms that they're inherently bad firearms; that there's something about them that makes society less safe than "regular guns". If you ask most people unfamiliar with firearms what an assault rifle is, many will reply that it's a machine gun. The rhetoric surrounding the issue is very important to the eventual result of attacks on our 2nd Amendment rights. If we don't take care to be accurate about our speak on this, we proliferate the misinformation.
I understand that within this forum, the people know the difference. But that's not true elsewhere. If we can't help each other speak accurately about MSRs, then we can't expect those who are unfamiliar to learn the distinctions either.
Post by: JoeE on July 17, 2013, 06:36:37 AM
I will give you my :twocents: . Why get upset if someone calls it an assault rifle. I think caving in and worrying about names of guns plays into the anti's hands. You are damn right my AR is ready for assault if I need it. It is the point of the gun.
It's very simple. The term assault rifle is used to convince people unfamiliar with firearms that they're inherently bad firearms; that there's something about them that makes society less safe than "regular guns". If you ask most people unfamiliar with firearms what an assault rifle is, many will reply that it's a machine gun. The rhetoric surrounding the issue is very important to the eventual result of attacks on our 2nd Amendment rights. If we don't take care to be accurate about our speak on this, we proliferate the misinformation.
I understand that within this forum, the people know the difference. But that's not true elsewhere. If we can't help each other speak accurately about MSRs, then we can't expect those who are unfamiliar to learn the distinctions either.
This is getting ridiculous. "Speak accurately about MSR's". The AR platform is still being fielded by several military's and police agencies WORLD WIDE as a weapon of war. So speaking accurately about them would be just that, these weapons are for defense (or offense depending), if you use yours for "modern sporting" that's all good. But that's not the most common use for those guns so your description is not "speaking accurately". And like I already said, I don't see how it could possible to hurt to say you hunt or competition shoot with your assault/military/scary/zombie slaying gun when all the antis are saying that these guns aren't used for any of that.
People need to relax. Five pages of this.
Post by: bobcat on July 17, 2013, 07:20:19 AM
I would have to agree with both of you. :tup:
Post by: pianoman9701 on July 17, 2013, 08:12:13 AM
I will give you my :twocents: . Why get upset if someone calls it an assault rifle. I think caving in and worrying about names of guns plays into the anti's hands. You are damn right my AR is ready for assault if I need it. It is the point of the gun.
It's very simple. The term assault rifle is used to convince people unfamiliar with firearms that they're inherently bad firearms; that there's something about them that makes society less safe than "regular guns". If you ask most people unfamiliar with firearms what an assault rifle is, many will reply that it's a machine gun. The rhetoric surrounding the issue is very important to the eventual result of attacks on our 2nd Amendment rights. If we don't take care to be accurate about our speak on this, we proliferate the misinformation.
I understand that within this forum, the people know the difference. But that's not true elsewhere. If we can't help each other speak accurately about MSRs, then we can't expect those who are unfamiliar to learn the distinctions either.
This is getting ridiculous. "Speak accurately about MSR's". The AR platform is still being fielded by several military's and police agencies WORLD WIDE as a weapon of war. So speaking accurately about them would be just that, these weapons are for defense (or offense depending), if you use yours for "modern sporting" that's all good. But that's not the most common use for those guns so your description is not "speaking accurately". And like I already said, I don't see how it could possible to hurt to say you hunt or competition shoot with your assault/military/scary/zombie slaying gun when all the antis are saying that these guns aren't used for any of that.
People need to relax. Five pages of this.
Sorry, I respectfully disagree about both points - the uses of MSRs and the use of the term assault weapon. Many people use them for sporting purposes. My brother hunts with his mini 14. His best buddy hunts with his AR-15 .308. And, they're not assault rifles. They're MSRs. They both use handguns for defense, not the MSRs, although the MSR is a great self-defense platform. The point I'm making isn't about whether you and I agree what they're used for. It's about what the majority of the population thinks they are. I have no desire to argue with you about what we say between us gun owners. However, I do think it's important that we make the issue clear for non-gun owners. The antis certainly want it as unclear as possible so the non-gun owners go their way. It's only through misinformation that the antis win this fight.
As an example, my mother is pretty liberal. She was all for an assault weapons ban. I asked her what an assault weapon is and she told me that it was a machine gun (in so many words). When I explained to her that assault weapons are a military rifle and that automatic weapons are already illegal for public use, she changed her mind. It took a while and a lot of Googling, but the fact remains that people are swayed just by the name without knowing what it means. Words mean things and it's important that we use the correct words if we're to keep our rights.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 17, 2013, 08:33:02 AM
Another downside of hunting with the AR platform is that there are a lot of angles and protrusions that can get caught up in heavy brush. For that type of hunting it's hard to beat an old lever gun or bolt action with iron sights. AR's can also tend toward the heavy side unless you steer clear of all the chotchkies and stick with things like fixed stocks and free float tubes or traditional handguards. But they are a better SD/HD platform than a bolt action, for sure.
Post by: runamuk on July 17, 2013, 08:37:39 AM
And yes even I was willing to ban assault rifles I saw no reason for any civilian to need or own a machine gun :dunno: of course now I want a tommy gun cuz they look like fun to use for hunting cardboard :chuckle: :chuckle: and my history loving antique things admiring side kicks in ....but black machine guns meh tough sales pitch even to 2nd amendment supporting liberal leaning firearm owners.
ask a couple members on here I was avidly never going to own one they are ugly who needs one....yeah yeah guys keep laughing bunch of darn ar pushers around this place, was converted the first time I got to shoot one....
Post by: sticky on July 17, 2013, 08:50:37 AM
Post by: jaymark6655 on July 17, 2013, 09:07:53 AM
Any semi-auto modular weapon system is awesome for hunting. I like the AR style because they are like legos, you can build one to fit anything you could possible want from a rifle, and have several uppers in a variety of calibers rather than several rifles. You can even go up to .50 BMG if you dont mind it being single shot. Just decide what you want performance wise and then pick a caliber that matches what you want and is a avaible in that kind of platform. .450 and .458 are nice for deer and elk, but plan on being close. .30AR (if its being made again) and .30OSSM are some of the longer range calibers available. Or go with an AR10 style rifle that can fire stuff like the .308WIN
On a sarcastic note:
Nothing like going full auto on a deer. I prefer the M2FLEX or MK19, but in those states where full auto is illegal for hunting go for the M72 LAW. It single shot and says I mean business to a deer. Cleaning is easy, just pick up the scraps.
Post by: Colville on July 17, 2013, 09:43:35 AM
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Post by: xXLojackXx on July 17, 2013, 06:28:14 PM
Post by: bear hunter on July 17, 2013, 10:13:49 PM
Post by: huntnnw on July 17, 2013, 10:16:39 PM
Post by: bear hunter on July 17, 2013, 10:21:01 PM
think Ill hunt elk this year with a SKS and a cheap scope and take shots out to 500 yards :chuckle::yike: :mgun: :whoo: Elk down :whoo: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: huntnnw on July 17, 2013, 10:21:42 PM
Post by: xXLojackXx on July 17, 2013, 10:47:31 PM
Post by: beak-in-the-barrel on July 17, 2013, 11:04:35 PM
I'm really looking into the Rock River Arms .308 rifles for hunting.
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Post by: xXLojackXx on July 18, 2013, 08:03:21 AM
Post by: luvmystang67 on July 18, 2013, 09:31:40 AM
If I were to buy an "MSR" :) for strictly hunting, I would consider a FNAR in .308. 1/2 MOA accuracy out of an AR platform. Can't beat that.
Not to be a nit-picky nelly, well i guess it is (sorry, i feel like a jerk), but the FNAR is not an AR platform, its built similar to the browning autos.
As far as accuracy goes, you can free float an actual .308 AR and with a good barrel pull close to the same accuracy. You might be at a little under an inch instead of 0.5", but you're still talking "minute of bunny" at 400 yards. :chuckle:
(Minute of bunny is a quote from a fellow Hunt WA member, so I cannot take credit for the cleverness.)
Post by: Andrew on July 18, 2013, 01:07:53 PM
Post by: h20hunter on July 18, 2013, 01:09:40 PM
Post by: SERE VG on July 18, 2013, 02:17:13 PM
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Oh yeah: Every weapon we use today to hunt was designed or perfected to kill other humans. Caveman had evil assault rocks! The black ones were especially evil!
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Post by: CedarPants on July 18, 2013, 02:34:56 PM
Post by: luvmystang67 on July 18, 2013, 02:58:52 PM
On the catching on brush component, they hauled these things all over vietnam, it isn't THAT bad. The only things you have in addition to a standard hunting rifle are a pistol grip and a longer mag if you choose to have one. In my case with a collapsible stock and a 16" barrel it is much shorter than my hunting rifle, and I feel like the long barrel is what gets caught on branches the most, not a pistol grip.
:twocents:
Post by: h20hunter on July 18, 2013, 03:02:16 PM
Post by: 6.8mmARHunter on July 18, 2013, 09:29:20 PM
Picked this up recently, I think it'd work great on deer. 1st bullet for the deer, the remaining 239 for zombies. Lotta zombies where I hunt
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Nice, I'll hunt zombies with you.
Love me some animal assault rifles!
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Oh yeah: Every weapon we use today to hunt was designed or perfected to kill other humans. Caveman had evil assault rocks! The black ones were especially evil!
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Nice looking rifle. LOL, Black assault rocks.
Post by: jjdavis2222 on July 19, 2013, 09:47:05 PM
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-r-25/model-r-25-rifle.aspx (http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-r-25/model-r-25-rifle.aspx)