Post by: cohoho on July 15, 2013, 05:36:51 PM
Oh will keep a couple manuals for Robodad to assist with as I know how much he likes cranking them when it is warm outside...
Post by: huntnphool on July 15, 2013, 05:40:22 PM
Well looks like I have finally had enough with Manual Down riggers, so going electric after this weekend... As much as I boasted about them and the craziest excuses for not getting them I am going forth and not looking back... Either 1106 Scotty or 10STX Cannon, still deciding, but need those 30-60" booms... Thoughts? Scotty plugs seem really cheap. More Scotty's here also, but a lot of them in the shopping carts at Sportco getting repaired all the time too???I have owned both Mike and prefer the Scotty by a long margin. :twocents:
Oh will keep a couple manuals for Robodad to assist with as I know how much he likes cranking them when it is warm outside...
Post by: Crunchy on July 15, 2013, 05:49:05 PM
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Post by: gasman on July 15, 2013, 07:51:37 PM
I have ont used a down rigger but a few times in my life. I have a friend that has electronic DR on his boat and :yike: I am in heaven any time I fish with him. I keep asking more and more questions about them when ever we get out :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
My 5 year plan is to get my boat next year and out fitting it with a top notch sonar/GPS and Electric DR is on top of my list, in fact, its on my Christmas list even before I get my boat :tup:
Post by: cohoho on July 15, 2013, 08:02:17 PM
See my job is to ensure we catch limits every time....Look - look - grab is my motto. :yike:
Yea, I hear a lot of good stuff about both, but with as many Scotty reps in this area hard pressed not to get them repaired quickly.
So will have five manuals for sale soon.............. Maybe keep two of the Penn 625s as back ups...
Post by: Wacenturion on July 15, 2013, 08:16:45 PM
Welcome to the dark side.... :chuckle:
Post by: Shannon on July 15, 2013, 08:52:17 PM
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Post by: robodad on July 15, 2013, 09:38:51 PM
I know it's a little bit of a pain to crank up those manuals but that doesn't even bother me as much as letting them knuckle bustin shirt grabbin elbow twistin pieces of junk down smoothly without burning your hands up as well and .......... well enough complaining !!
Thats awesome Mike, I know for a fact you will put them through a good hard test this year !!! :tup:
Post by: lokidog on July 15, 2013, 10:55:52 PM
I, personally, do not like that lever clutch thingy on the Scottys, I like to be able to turn the knob to drop the ball as it seems much smoother to me. The Cannon plugs are also nicer, though by no means perfectly sealed from corrosion. :(
One thing I would recommend for either is to get the resttable circuit breakers for your power supply rather than fused ones. It really sucks to blow a fuse and not have a new one handy.
Post by: cohoho on July 16, 2013, 06:31:52 AM
I, personally, do not like that lever clutch thingy on the Scottys, I like to be able to turn the knob to drop the ball as it seems much smoother to me. The Cannon plugs are also nicer, though by no means perfectly sealed from corrosion.
Exactly where my thoughts are at, that lever clutch doesn't seem well thought out during design. The plugs are thin small and seen more than one get broken pretty quickly. Cannon does have beefier plugs? I thought I was swaying towards Scotty, then you showed up and reminded me of the things I do not like about them.. Hmmmmmm
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on July 16, 2013, 07:13:32 AM
I always thought the Penn knobs were wierd. But thats after owning at least 8 Scotties. And they have never been in the shop...biggest issue's, keep the counters lubed. They freeze up and are near 30 bucks. Sometimes, very rarely, they slip a belt. And very rarely the belt will snap. I carry an extra.
Back when Narrows marine was in biz they repaired Scotty, Cannon and Penn. Stacks of Penns and Cannon electrics waiting for parts. If a Scotty came in, it was out the door in a jiffy.
As for the plug. Its ok for awhile. I converted all our boats to Deutch connectors. Water tight and stainless terminals.
Cannon and Penn need biz too. Keeps the market fair!
Post by: sirmissalot on July 16, 2013, 07:14:05 AM
As far as Scotty vs cannon there is no comparison in my opinion. The lever clutch is simple for me but its all I've really ever used. I only got talked into running cannons for one season and they were very hard to get used to. Ended up losing one when I got hung up, busted the base right off. Never seen that happen on a Scotty and I've hung up on stuff countless times. After I lost the one rigger and cannon wouldn't comment on the busted off base I switched back to Scotty... Easy decision.
I run the new high performance 2116's on my boat now and they are absolutely phenomenal. I just had an issue on a worn out gear that connects the motor to the belt and they sent me the upgraded replacements free, no questions asked. Always been that way with Scotty.
If you'd like to try some out my boat will be in Westport all summer, this weekend will probably be a tuna run but if not you're welcome to go out for some salmon.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.tapatalk.com%2Fd%2F13%2F07%2F16%2F3u2apyze.jpg&hash=a3cb5d50562e206a39385eb63e26cec0e6ca7a72)
Post by: robodad on July 16, 2013, 09:20:16 AM
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Are you talking about the old Scotty plugs or the new style ones? The new style isn't that new so that's why I'm asking. I haven't seen a plug better than the new Scotty design plug and the cannon plugs are definitely no better, I've helped more than one friend put the Scotty plugs on their cannons.
Exactly, the new plugs are much better then the old push in socket ones. I just mounted mine under the rail high enough where they don't get bumped or wet and all is well, just plug in and twist and your set !! (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/MGalleryItem.php?id=10563)
Post by: huntnphool on July 16, 2013, 09:22:17 AM
Scotty has a couple different styles of plugs, and for those that choose one down rigger over another based on that well..........you just are not thinking out of the box. It's a 12volt/two wire system, cut it off and put on whatever super duper, water resistant, unobtainium plug you want, problem solved!I, personally, do not like that lever clutch thingy on the Scottys, I like to be able to turn the knob to drop the ball as it seems much smoother to me. The Cannon plugs are also nicer, though by no means perfectly sealed from corrosion.
Exactly where my thoughts are at, that lever clutch doesn't seem well thought out during design. The plugs are thin small and seen more than one get broken pretty quickly. Cannon does have beefier plugs? I thought I was swaying towards Scotty, then you showed up and reminded me of the things I do not like about them.. Hmmmmmm
As far as the lever, it actually works very well once you try it. Like I said, I've owned both, unlike most on here I would imagine, and way prefer the Scotty over the Cannon.
Good luck.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on July 16, 2013, 11:08:59 AM
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Post by: sirmissalot on July 16, 2013, 02:47:10 PM
check with Gary Krein at A-1 charters in Everett, think he's been using electric downriggers daily (extremely hard use) for at least 25 years. Last I checked (may have changed) he wouldn't have a scotty on the boat. I ran a boat out of Edmonds for about 10 years (quit about 10 years ago) and at that time the Scotty's just wouldn't hold up to the daily abuse we put them thru. Honestly can't say they haven't improved since then, so I won't personally give an opinion.
Mike Jamboretz of Jambo's Sportfishing, in my opinion one if the best charter captains in the northwest, strictly fishes Scotty's. If we want to start comparing that way.
Also scottys are actually rated for up to a 20lb ball :tup: although the 20's don't get used often, just because I feel they aren't needed, but when fishing those big blue dot or compass rose kings down on the bottom they sure some in handy.
The retrieval speed on my 2116's is crazy fast as well, and very quiet now without those old annoying counters.
Post by: MtnMuley on July 16, 2013, 04:00:38 PM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on July 16, 2013, 04:09:38 PM
I would recommend the Canon Digitrolls if you feel the need to bottom track. Where I fish, I feel they're the best out there. If you don't plan on tracking, I would recommend the Scotty's. :twocents:
What happens when your digi troll drops 10 feet because of bottom structure and your rods already cranked down for the debth before the 10 foot drop? Always wondered about this.
Do you have to leave your rod with slack in it so it dosent pop the clip?
Post by: MtnMuley on July 16, 2013, 04:18:36 PM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on July 16, 2013, 11:17:10 PM
Post by: lokidog on July 17, 2013, 10:26:25 AM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on July 17, 2013, 10:56:19 AM
Real world reviews are the best to help make decisions. Blanket statements dont help much Ill say, but the real world reports from those of us who do use em helps allot.
You cant argue Scotty has the best following out there. And its because they are the best for most folks. Not to mention there track record for use, duribilty and function.
Some folks may prefer the option on a different brand. Or started with said brand and thats what there used to.
For every Gary Klien or the like there are hundreds of BC and NW guides that will only use Scotty. If not thousands.
Im betting Cohoho will choose Scotty! :chuckle:
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Post by: MtnMuley on July 18, 2013, 08:08:52 AM
Post by: robodad on July 18, 2013, 08:26:11 AM
Good luck consistantly tracking bottom with your Scotty's. Hope you're ready for a good workout all day instead of relaxing back enjoying the fishing. Anyhow, like I mentioned in my first post, Scotty's are what I would buy if I didn't plan on tracking.......but obviously you can't seem to understand that. ;)
The other problem is you need a bunch of extra expensive electronics to be able to track the bottom with the cannons and if you don't fish every day or don't fish for a living then it's not worth all the extra expense IMO !!!
Post by: sirmissalot on July 18, 2013, 08:39:53 AM
Good luck consistantly tracking bottom with your Scotty's. Hope you're ready for a good workout all day instead of relaxing back enjoying the fishing. Anyhow, like I mentioned in my first post, Scotty's are what I would buy if I didn't plan on tracking.......but obviously you can't seem to understand that. ;)
I completely agree with what you are saying, so don't take this as arguing. Without any first had experience with the bottom tracking on cannons, how does it work when it comes to line angle? For instance, say I am fishing Big Bank off BC, targeting kings and fishing right on the bottom at around 250ft. On a Scotty I would run 300 feet of cable out, because with the line angle the counter on the rigger is not accurate with what depth I am fishing. What would you do in that case with a cannon? Then throw in running with current, or against current? That is something I have never understood.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on July 18, 2013, 09:36:04 AM
Good luck consistantly tracking bottom with your Scotty's. Hope you're ready for a good workout all day instead of relaxing back enjoying the fishing. Anyhow, like I mentioned in my first post, Scotty's are what I would buy if I didn't plan on tracking.......but obviously you can't seem to understand that. ;)
I dont think KC grasps the "MY Location". Im thinking your in North Central Wa. So your probably fishing lakes and reservoirs on the bottom.
As is the guides in your location.
Were most of us fish Salt and not on bottom nearly as much. Typical King fishing is usally suspended. But not Blackmouth...Digis could shine here!
And most guides here on the salt dont run Digi trolls KC.
Might help to tell us were and why you fish the bottom trackers?
Post by: MtnMuley on July 18, 2013, 02:15:03 PM
Good luck consistantly tracking bottom with your Scotty's. Hope you're ready for a good workout all day instead of relaxing back enjoying the fishing. Anyhow, like I mentioned in my first post, Scotty's are what I would buy if I didn't plan on tracking.......but obviously you can't seem to understand that. ;)
The other problem is you need a bunch of extra expensive electronics to be able to track the bottom with the cannons and if you don't fish every day or don't fish for a living then it's not worth all the extra expense IMO !!!
That's very true, but if you have the $40K boat these days like most everybody seems to a have, what's another couple grand. :chuckle:
Good luck consistantly tracking bottom with your Scotty's. Hope you're ready for a good workout all day instead of relaxing back enjoying the fishing. Anyhow, like I mentioned in my first post, Scotty's are what I would buy if I didn't plan on tracking.......but obviously you can't seem to understand that. ;)
I completely agree with what you are saying, so don't take this as arguing. Without any first had experience with the bottom tracking on cannons, how does it work when it comes to line angle? For instance, say I am fishing Big Bank off BC, targeting kings and fishing right on the bottom at around 250ft. On a Scotty I would run 300 feet of cable out, because with the line angle the counter on the rigger is not accurate with what depth I am fishing. What would you do in that case with a cannon? Then throw in running with current, or against current? That is something I have never understood.
Good question, and I can't answer that.
Good luck consistantly tracking bottom with your Scotty's. Hope you're ready for a good workout all day instead of relaxing back enjoying the fishing. Anyhow, like I mentioned in my first post, Scotty's are what I would buy if I didn't plan on tracking.......but obviously you can't seem to understand that. ;)
I dont think KC grasps the "MY Location". Im thinking your in North Central Wa. So your probably fishing lakes and reservoirs on the bottom.
As is the guides in your location.
Were most of us fish Salt and not on bottom nearly as much. Typical King fishing is usally suspended. But not Blackmouth...Digis could shine here!
And most guides here on the salt dont run Digi trolls KC.
Might help to tell us were and why you fish the bottom trackers?
That's correct. Basically the mid to upper Columbia is where I am referring to. I guess KC's comment on digi's being not worthy of being pissed on if they were on fire, just drew an interest with me. I got nothing solid out of it, so just took it as that.......he does seem like the funny type to have the signature line he has though...... :rolleyes:
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on July 18, 2013, 03:13:10 PM
Good luck consistantly tracking bottom with your Scotty's. Hope you're ready for a good workout all day instead of relaxing back enjoying the fishing. Anyhow, like I mentioned in my first post, Scotty's are what I would buy if I didn't plan on tracking.......but obviously you can't seem to understand that. ;)
The other problem is you need a bunch of extra expensive electronics to be able to track the bottom with the cannons and if you don't fish every day or don't fish for a living then it's not worth all the extra expense IMO !!!
That's very true, but if you have the $40K boat these days like most everybody seems to a have, what's another couple grand. :chuckle:Good luck consistantly tracking bottom with your Scotty's. Hope you're ready for a good workout all day instead of relaxing back enjoying the fishing. Anyhow, like I mentioned in my first post, Scotty's are what I would buy if I didn't plan on tracking.......but obviously you can't seem to understand that. ;)
I completely agree with what you are saying, so don't take this as arguing. Without any first had experience with the bottom tracking on cannons, how does it work when it comes to line angle? For instance, say I am fishing Big Bank off BC, targeting kings and fishing right on the bottom at around 250ft. On a Scotty I would run 300 feet of cable out, because with the line angle the counter on the rigger is not accurate with what depth I am fishing. What would you do in that case with a cannon? Then throw in running with current, or against current? That is something I have never understood.
Good question, and I can't answer that.Good luck consistantly tracking bottom with your Scotty's. Hope you're ready for a good workout all day instead of relaxing back enjoying the fishing. Anyhow, like I mentioned in my first post, Scotty's are what I would buy if I didn't plan on tracking.......but obviously you can't seem to understand that. ;)
I dont think KC grasps the "MY Location". Im thinking your in North Central Wa. So your probably fishing lakes and reservoirs on the bottom.
As is the guides in your location.
Were most of us fish Salt and not on bottom nearly as much. Typical King fishing is usally suspended. But not Blackmouth...Digis could shine here!
And most guides here on the salt dont run Digi trolls KC.
Might help to tell us were and why you fish the bottom trackers?
That's correct. Basically the mid to upper Columbia is where I am referring to. I guess KC's comment on digi's being not worthy of being pissed on if they were on fire, just drew an interest with me. I got nothing solid out of it, so just took it as that.......he does seem like the funny type to have the signature line he has though...... :rolleyes:
Lol,
Post by: cohoho on July 18, 2013, 05:46:01 PM
Now I got to wait to upgrade my HDS5 to HDS10 for next year..
Post by: Kc_Kracker on July 18, 2013, 06:21:37 PM
cohoho-good job youll be very happy :tup: shoulda snagged up my swivel mounts for sale last week :bash:
Post by: Wacenturion on July 18, 2013, 07:55:43 PM
Post by: huntnphool on July 18, 2013, 08:51:09 PM
Post by: cohoho on July 18, 2013, 09:06:43 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on July 19, 2013, 05:43:35 AM
Good luck in sekiu this weekend, if its a little slow I wouldn't be afraid to head to neah bay if I were you!
Post by: MtnMuley on July 19, 2013, 08:03:41 AM