Post by: G.R.K on July 17, 2013, 08:42:40 PM
Post by: Alan K on July 17, 2013, 08:44:39 PM
Post by: jackelope on July 17, 2013, 08:53:49 PM
Zilch
Nada
Nuttin.
Post by: cem3434 on July 17, 2013, 09:01:43 PM
Post by: G.R.K on July 18, 2013, 10:30:50 PM
Post by: YoterHunter on July 19, 2013, 08:44:03 AM
Post by: huntnphool on July 19, 2013, 08:59:26 AM
Post by: Maverick on July 19, 2013, 04:12:43 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on July 19, 2013, 04:30:52 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on July 19, 2013, 04:32:26 PM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on July 19, 2013, 05:29:23 PM
Klickitat deer tag, multiseason tag
Cow Toutle tag, multiseason elk tag
That's enough. WDFW was kinder to me than I deserve. :hello:
Post by: kglacken on July 19, 2013, 05:35:48 PM
Post by: splitshot on July 19, 2013, 05:53:49 PM
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 19, 2013, 06:00:03 PM
I was going to until Brad sent me a text telling me he did, no reason for me to now.That funny. He's probably a shoe in. you can thank him for saving you money. I bought 18 south-central elk, deer , sheep. 5 eastside deer and 5 elk. The way I look at it is my chances are better on the 3 animal ticket than on any special permit I put in for this year. You can't win if you don't play. :twocents:
Post by: Elkstuffer on July 19, 2013, 06:06:03 PM
So try and tell me that these "raffles" are fair for everyone. I realize that it only takes "ONE" ticket to win, but the odds are way in the wealthy guys favor. :twocents:
I won't spend a dime on these raffles until there is a cap on the amount of tickets sold to one individual. So your guys' odds just went up :chuckle:
Post by: steeleywhopper on July 19, 2013, 06:51:52 PM
Post by: cem3434 on July 19, 2013, 07:34:36 PM
The last 2 years the North Central (sheep, mule deer and whitetail) raffle was drawn by the same guy. He spent $17,000 and $17,400 respectfully.
So try and tell me that these "raffles" are fair for everyone. I realize that it only takes "ONE" ticket to win, but the odds are way in the wealthy guys favor. :twocents:
I won't spend a dime on these raffles until there is a cap on the amount of tickets sold to one individual. So your guys' odds just went up :chuckle:
No one says they are fair, but it sounds like you are a shoe in to win if you spend about $17K! :chuckle:
Post by: Harborhunter on July 19, 2013, 08:16:28 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on July 19, 2013, 08:26:43 PM
I was going to until Brad sent me a text telling me he did, no reason for me to now.:yeah:
Post by: HUNT on July 20, 2013, 07:39:27 AM
Post by: trophyelk6x6 on July 20, 2013, 08:34:33 AM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on July 20, 2013, 07:14:07 PM
Post by: G.R.K on July 21, 2013, 09:26:05 PM
Blacktail deer 110 tickets
Mule deer 10 tickets
Whitetail deer 16 tickets
Western elk 20 tickets
Goat 50 tickets
Moose 4 tickets
North Central Wa 50 tickets
Northeast Wa 6 tickets
South Central Wa 3 tickets
Southeast Wa 200+ tickets
Eastern elk,Sheep,3 deer Hundreds of tickets
Post by: huntnphool on July 21, 2013, 09:37:22 PM
2012 Raffle Winnersadd another zero to the eastern elk ticket and you're getting closer. ;)
Blacktail deer 110 tickets
Mule deer 10 tickets
Whitetail deer 16 tickets
Western elk 20 tickets
Goat 50 tickets
Moose 4 tickets
North Central Wa 50 tickets
Northeast Wa 6 tickets
South Central Wa 3 tickets
Southeast Wa 200+ tickets
Eastern elk,Sheep,3 deer Hundreds of tickets
Post by: Mr Mykiss on July 22, 2013, 02:27:45 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on July 22, 2013, 03:01:22 PM
For Goat: 1 in 1351 is better odds than the normal draw :twocents:
I've never purchased a raffle ticket. Just can't at this point stomach giving the state another dime.
Post by: cem3434 on July 22, 2013, 05:33:57 PM
2012 Raffle Winners
Blacktail deer 110 tickets
Mule deer 10 tickets
Whitetail deer 16 tickets
Western elk 20 tickets
Goat 50 tickets
Moose 4 tickets
North Central Wa 50 tickets
Northeast Wa 6 tickets
South Central Wa 3 tickets
Southeast Wa 200+ tickets
Eastern elk,Sheep,3 deer Hundreds of tickets
Arent there 2 moose tags? So was it 4 each for winner or an average of 4 tickets?
Post by: boneaddict on July 22, 2013, 06:04:28 PM
Post by: G.R.K on July 22, 2013, 08:25:47 PM
2012 Raffle Winners
Blacktail deer 110 tickets
Mule deer 10 tickets
Whitetail deer 16 tickets
Western elk 20 tickets
Goat 50 tickets
Moose 4 tickets
North Central Wa 50 tickets
Northeast Wa 6 tickets
South Central Wa 3 tickets
Southeast Wa 200+ tickets
Eastern elk,Sheep,3 deer Hundreds of tickets
Arent there 2 moose tags? So was it 4 each for winner or an average of 4 tickets?
The WDFW only posted 1 winner, 4 tickets.
Post by: Wea300mag on July 22, 2013, 08:51:33 PM
Post by: MatthewHunter98 on July 22, 2013, 09:32:07 PM
Post by: Dhoey07 on July 22, 2013, 10:04:20 PM
Post by: coachcw on July 23, 2013, 06:04:03 AM
Post by: Mr Mykiss on July 23, 2013, 07:35:16 AM
i am 15, and i whipped out $140, bought anything and everything, when i turn 16, that will convert to $350 :chuckle: :chuckle: money well spent when spent on hunting!!! :tup:Hey Jack! That's money spent on gambling. Money spent on tags is money spend on hunting :chuckle:
Post by: benhuntin on July 23, 2013, 09:06:08 AM
2012 Raffle Winners2012 numbers?????
Blacktail deer 110 tickets
Mule deer 10 tickets
Whitetail deer 16 tickets
Western elk 20 tickets
Goat 50 tickets
Moose 4 tickets
North Central Wa 50 tickets
Northeast Wa 6 tickets
South Central Wa 3 tickets
Southeast Wa 200+ tickets
Eastern elk,Sheep,3 deer Hundreds of tickets
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on July 23, 2013, 09:36:07 AM
The last 2 years the North Central (sheep, mule deer and whitetail) raffle was drawn by the same guy. He spent $17,000 and $17,400 respectfully.
So try and tell me that these "raffles" are fair for everyone. I realize that it only takes "ONE" ticket to win, but the odds are way in the wealthy guys favor. :twocents:
I won't spend a dime on these raffles until there is a cap on the amount of tickets sold to one individual. So your guys' odds just went up :chuckle:
As for these raffle hunts, I see no reason to limit them as far as number of tickets per person, since the core idea behind a raffle is to raise money. Money has to come from somewhere, regular license & tag & special permit fees only go so far.
I see it as like any other situation, some people spend thousands & thousands and thousands of dollars on fancy, high end vehicles, houses, boats etc., while others can't manage anything other than a duct tape and bailing wire held together almost peddle mobile, maybe a not so desirably located rental house or can only bank fish.
It is sad to say, but that is just they way of our world and how it is, and seems if people who can but don't want to participate at that higher level, they won't, but I don't think, in the sense of being fair, they should be limited if they can and do want to.
I read a lot of comments that use the "everybody gets a trophy" win or loose analogy, when something isn't perceived as fair or what not, honestly, that sounds a lot like this right here.
Like it or not, things are not going to get cheaper and it will have a higher impact on some more so than others, always has been that way and always will.
Just my :twocents: and offering up a different perspective for discussion if anyone chooses. Not meant as a ding towards elkstuffer, just thought that post was a good contrasting view to this side of the subject.
Post by: huntnphool on July 23, 2013, 10:12:27 AM
The last 2 years the North Central (sheep, mule deer and whitetail) raffle was drawn by the same guy. He spent $17,000 and $17,400 respectfully.
So try and tell me that these "raffles" are fair for everyone. I realize that it only takes "ONE" ticket to win, but the odds are way in the wealthy guys favor. :twocents:
I won't spend a dime on these raffles until there is a cap on the amount of tickets sold to one individual. So your guys' odds just went up :chuckle:
As for these raffle hunts, I see no reason to limit them as far as number of tickets per person, since the core idea behind a raffle is to raise money. Money has to come from somewhere, regular license & tag & special permit fees only go so far.
I think revenue would likely be about the same if they limited the raffle tickets to a max of 5. I bet they would end up selling roughly the same number since more people would be participating and maxing out their purchase, rather than people bowing out knowing someone with $15k worth of tickets isnt cornering the odds.
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on July 23, 2013, 11:04:51 AM
Possibly huntnphool, but I wonder how many really take that into consideration where raffles are concerned and base their decision on just that factor alone :dunno:, I am sure some do and others don't.
But I think the under laying question is, where/when is it, or should it be truly acceptable to place any additional limits on our right to make personal choices such as these?
Is it really reasonable to say someone shouldn't be allowed to spend what ever amount they wish to on a raffle just because they can and some can't or won't vs saying there should be a limit on, say number and capacity of magazines some one chooses to have or purchase for their AR?
And, please understand, I am talking about the principle concept of imposing personal limitations on things simply because some can and some can't, not trying to turn this into another gun control debate. Choose the AR reference because it has been vigorously discussed in many threads on here, and is a strong example of the principle issue, controlling, limiting, or removing what are clearly our personal and individual choices.
How much more control are we willing to surrender or worse yet, self impose on ourselves?
Thanks for the input, appreciate hearing other perspectives... :tup:
Post by: westside bull on July 23, 2013, 11:53:05 AM
Post by: huntnphool on July 23, 2013, 02:55:01 PM
Possibly huntnphool, but I wonder how many really take that into consideration where raffles are concerned and base their decision on just that factor alone :dunno:, I am sure some do and others don't.
But I think the under laying question is, where/when is it, or should it be truly acceptable to place any additional limits on our right to make personal choices such as these?
Is it really reasonable to say someone shouldn't be allowed to spend what ever amount they wish to on a raffle just because they can and some can't or won't vs saying there should be a limit on, say number and capacity of magazines some one chooses to have or purchase for their AR?
And, please understand, I am talking about the principle concept of imposing personal limitations on things simply because some can and some can't, not trying to turn this into another gun control debate. Choose the AR reference because it has been vigorously discussed in many threads on here, and is a strong example of the principle issue, controlling, limiting, or removing what are clearly our personal and individual choices.
How much more control are we willing to surrender or worse yet, self impose on ourselves?
Thanks for the input, appreciate hearing other perspectives... :tup:
Then why not simply forgo the raffle and offer those tags in additional auctions if its just about the total revenue generated and not about providing a quality hunt opportunity for the average hunter?
Possibly huntnphool, but I wonder how many really take that into consideration where raffles are concerned and base their decision on just that factor alone :dunno:, I am sure some do and others don't.
But I think the under laying question is, where/when is it, or should it be truly acceptable to place any additional limits on our right to make personal choices such as these?
Is it really reasonable to say someone shouldn't be allowed to spend what ever amount they wish to on a raffle just because they can and some can't or won't vs saying there should be a limit on, say number and capacity of magazines some one chooses to have or purchase for their AR?
And, please understand, I am talking about the principle concept of imposing personal limitations on things simply because some can and some can't, not trying to turn this into another gun control debate. Choose the AR reference because it has been vigorously discussed in many threads on here, and is a strong example of the principle issue, controlling, limiting, or removing what are clearly our personal and individual choices.
How much more control are we willing to surrender or worse yet, self impose on ourselves?
Thanks for the input, appreciate hearing other perspectives... :tup:
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on July 23, 2013, 03:38:13 PM
It is about the subject of picking and choosing what areas, subjects, activities, etc., that we are free to do or not do as much of or as little as we please, and having governmental intervention in the form of restricting or limiting our free choice rights even more.
Where do we draw the line?
Is it okay if it is an activity or subject that one doesn't like or participate in, so therefore has no personal investment in and could care less about and then turn around and say it is not okay to restrict or otherwise limit an activity or subject that one does have a personal investment in and cares greatly about continuing to have freedom to choose without limits?
Post by: huntnphool on July 23, 2013, 04:37:40 PM
I understand what you are saying, huntnphool, however, I think you are missing my point. It isn't specifically about quality hunt opportunity or revenue, because as has been pointed out it only takes one ticket to win. The quality hunt opportunities are provided for the average hunter by the numerous special hunt permit choices/applications and our beloved draw/point system.If you are seriously going to equate a east side raffle deer/elk tag to a late permit tag then we will have to agree to disagree, you win!
It is about the subject of picking and choosing what areas, subjects, activities, etc., that we are free to do or not do as much of or as little as we please, and having governmental intervention in the form of restricting or limiting our free choice rights even more.
Where do we draw the line?
Is it okay if it is an activity or subject that one doesn't like or participate in, so therefore has no personal investment in and could care less about and then turn around and say it is not okay to restrict or otherwise limit an activity or subject that one does have a personal investment in and cares greatly about continuing to have freedom to choose without limits?
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on July 23, 2013, 04:49:48 PM
Thanks for the input and debate. Enjoyed it!
Hope you have a great rest of the day.
Post by: elkhuntingcouple on July 27, 2013, 09:10:30 PM
How much did you spend on tickets?I bought my husband and I each 8 tickets, a couple each payday. AND HE WON!!!! I am so excited for him!!! He was drawen for the Western WA Elk tag, Now we need to figure out where to go. We have never hunted horns, always meat, I am a little excited to, guess we can hunt any special draw unit. But were not sure where to hunt have always heard big stories of the Loowit, but also of the qunalt area. We have only hunted the Packwood area, and Ryderwood, Winston areas, so this is going to be really exciting!!
Post by: huntnphool on July 27, 2013, 10:14:50 PM
Post by: cem3434 on July 27, 2013, 10:33:22 PM
How much did you spend on tickets?I bought my husband and I each 8 tickets, a couple each payday. AND HE WON!!!! I am so excited for him!!! He was drawen for the Western WA Elk tag, Now we need to figure out where to go. We have never hunted horns, always meat, I am a little excited to, guess we can hunt any special draw unit. But were not sure where to hunt have always heard big stories of the Loowit, but also of the qunalt area. We have only hunted the Packwood area, and Ryderwood, Winston areas, so this is going to be really exciting!!
Congrats on the draw. Did they call you today?
Post by: G.R.K on July 28, 2013, 10:28:30 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on July 28, 2013, 11:28:32 AM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on July 28, 2013, 02:36:18 PM