Post by: h20hunter on July 24, 2013, 08:47:00 PM
Elk taken in these game
management units (GMUs) must have at least
one antler with no branches originating more
than four (4) inches above where the antler
attaches to the skull. An animal with a spike on
one side (1x2) is legal in spike only units. An
animal with more than one antler point more
than four inches above where the antler attaches
to the skull on both sides (2x2) is illegal.
The question up for debate is: Can I shoot this elk during archery season?
Key words from the regs....."above where the antler attaches to the skull." If it drops below.........can you shoot it?
Post by: duckmen1 on July 24, 2013, 08:49:56 PM
Post by: washelkhunter on July 24, 2013, 08:53:17 PM
Post by: deerslyr on July 24, 2013, 08:55:17 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on July 24, 2013, 08:56:16 PM
Post by: snarkybull on July 24, 2013, 08:59:47 PM
no judge will uphold a ticket for that.
case dismissed!
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 24, 2013, 09:02:49 PM
Post by: johnnyaustin44 on July 24, 2013, 09:04:01 PM
Post by: bknilvr00 on July 24, 2013, 09:04:24 PM
So......here is the wording directly from the regs:I would think the intent in the regs would mean 4 inches length to the split. Regardless of antler direction. Imagine a fully formed 6x6 who's antlers grew out and down instead of upwards like normal. I highly doubt that'd qualify for spike status. But the only way to get a solid answer is to send pic into wdfw and get some answers.
Elk taken in these game
management units (GMUs) must have at least
one antler with no branches originating more
than four (4) inches above where the antler
attaches to the skull.
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Post by: duckmen1 on July 24, 2013, 09:06:23 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 24, 2013, 09:08:52 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 24, 2013, 09:12:37 PM
Post by: CedarPants on July 24, 2013, 09:13:27 PM
Post by: hoyt2002 on July 24, 2013, 09:25:34 PM
Post by: runngun on July 24, 2013, 09:52:26 PM
You have to review the definitions just prior to the explanation:
Antler Points: To qualify as a point, an antler point must be at least one-inch in length, measured on the longest side.
Branch: A branch is defined as any projection off the main antler beam that is at least one inch long, measured on the longest side, and longer than it is wide.
Spike Bull Restrictions: Elk taken in these game management units (GMUs) must have at least one antler with no branches originating more than four(4)inches above where the antler attaches to the skull. An animal with a spike on one side (1x2) is legal in spike only units An animal with more than one antler point more than four inches above where the antler attaches to the skull on both sides (2x2) is illegal.
Antler point is measured from the tip, and he has two of them longer than 4 inches. The antler branch origination is legal, but his antler tip would also have to be under 4 inches from the skull. Basically it allows for little one inch stickers at the bottom of the spike antler. That boy looks like a 4x2.
It's not the Judge that finds you guilty it's a handful of people that were not smart enough to get out of jury duty. I wouldn't shoot it based on my understanding of the regs.
Post by: coachcw on July 24, 2013, 10:01:44 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 24, 2013, 10:08:08 PM
Post by: buglebuster on July 24, 2013, 10:08:55 PM
Post by: lostbackpacker on July 24, 2013, 10:25:06 PM
Post by: Roperfive88 on July 24, 2013, 10:29:24 PM
Illegal. Here's why:reading your highlights the elk has no branch above four inches and has no points above four inches. Your interpretation of a point definition is off. You measure a point from the tip to a beam or another point. Take the 3pt min for deer with your interpretation of a point. a 2pt deer with a half inch point forked at the end of the main beam is a 3pt becausr from tip to the base is more then one inch but thats not correct. I have seen a bull with a six point side and a spile with two points off the base and a forked brow tine. It was checked by a game warden and was legal. I say this bull pictured is legal.
You have to review the definitions just prior to the explanation:
Antler Points: To qualify as a point, an antler point must be at least one-inch in length, measured on the longest side.
Branch: A branch is defined as any projection off the main antler beam that is at least one inch long, measured on the longest side, and longer than it is wide.
Spike Bull Restrictions: Elk taken in these game management units (GMUs) must have at least one antler with no branches originating more than four(4)inches above where the antler attaches to the skull. An animal with a spike on one side (1x2) is legal in spike only units An animal with more than one antler point more than four inches above where the antler attaches to the skull on both sides (2x2) is illegal.
Antler point is measured from the tip, and he has two of them longer than 4 inches. The antler branch origination is legal, but his antler tip would also have to be under 4 inches from the skull. Basically it allows for little one inch stickers at the bottom of the spike antler. That boy looks like a 4x2.
It's not the Judge that finds you guilty it's a handful of people that were not smart enough to get out of jury duty. I wouldn't shoot it based on my understanding of the regs.
Post by: runngun on July 24, 2013, 11:32:38 PM
Illegal. Here's why:reading your highlights the elk has no branch above four inches and has no points above four inches. Your interpretation of a point definition is off. You measure a point from the tip to a beam or another point. Take the 3pt min for deer with your interpretation of a point. a 2pt deer with a half inch point forked at the end of the main beam is a 3pt becausr from tip to the base is more then one inch but thats not correct. I have seen a bull with a six point side and a spile with two points off the base and a forked brow tine. It was checked by a game warden and was legal. I say this bull pictured is legal.
You have to review the definitions just prior to the explanation:
Antler Points: To qualify as a point, an antler point must be at least one-inch in length, measured on the longest side.
Branch: A branch is defined as any projection off the main antler beam that is at least one inch long, measured on the longest side, and longer than it is wide.
Spike Bull Restrictions: Elk taken in these game management units (GMUs) must have at least one antler with no branches originating more than four(4)inches above where the antler attaches to the skull. An animal with a spike on one side (1x2) is legal in spike only units An animal with more than one antler point more than four inches above where the antler attaches to the skull on both sides (2x2) is illegal.
Antler point is measured from the tip, and he has two of them longer than 4 inches. The antler branch origination is legal, but his antler tip would also have to be under 4 inches from the skull. Basically it allows for little one inch stickers at the bottom of the spike antler. That boy looks like a 4x2.
It's not the Judge that finds you guilty it's a handful of people that were not smart enough to get out of jury duty. I wouldn't shoot it based on my understanding of the regs.
The regs define an antler point as being at least one inch from the main beam so it would still be a two point deer in your scenario according to the regs. The bull pictured does have two antler points longer than 4 inches. I'm aware how antler tines are measured :bash:
The definition of a spike bull restriction is different than the legal buck definition and measures the antler point to the skull. Again this allows for small kickers that are often obscured by ears and hard to see. Read only the last sentence of spike bull restriction to see what I mean. Reinterpret only this sentence:
An animal with more than one antler point more than four inches above where the antler attaches to the skull on both sides is illegal.
This sentence is what makes this bull illegal, not the first sentence in the restriction discussing the branch.
Post by: swwaoutdoorsman on July 25, 2013, 01:30:59 AM
Post by: Roperfive88 on July 25, 2013, 06:19:23 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 25, 2013, 06:22:09 AM
Post by: Rooster1981 on July 25, 2013, 06:29:05 AM
Legal. It's a spike with an eye guard that simple. The definition is "originating 4" above where the antler is attached to the skull" ORIGINATING... Therefore begins, starts, (branches). So like I said spike with an eye guard on the right side. Tine length plays no factor. :twocents:
:yeah: I absolutely agree. Its basisally a 1x1x4 or like said just a very long eye guard. I've seen a 1x3x3 in the quilemene, I let it pass and another guy shot it and it was legal.
Post by: RadSav on July 25, 2013, 07:08:31 AM
If my first reaction is, "It's a two point!"...I ain't shooting it!
If I have to ask others on a forum, "Is it legal?"... I ain't shooting it!
If the gamie is standing right behind my shoulder and tells me, "Shoot!"... I still ain't shooting it!
I had a gamie in Oregon stop to look at a buck I shot two miles away from a rest area. He tells me, "Dang, you got him! I was hoping he would stick around until rifle season." Then a ranger stops and tells us this is park property basically an extension of the rest area property two miles away. $2,000 and four months of court appearances later I got to keep my hunting privileges and antlers. But it was touch and go for quite some time even with the game officer as my character witness. I'm not taking any chances at losing my right to hunt. Just not worth it when there are other fish in the sea or elk in the woods.
Post by: Skillet on July 25, 2013, 07:12:01 AM
Post by: h20hunter on July 25, 2013, 07:57:16 AM
Post by: Rooster1981 on July 25, 2013, 08:00:02 AM
I won't be letting any arrows loose on anything questionable. It is a fun debate and that is why I posted. However, I will work on getting the opinion of WDFW for kicks and giggles.
Thats cool :tup:
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 25, 2013, 08:01:06 AM
Post by: alecvg on July 25, 2013, 08:03:59 AM
Post by: h20hunter on July 25, 2013, 08:04:59 AM
I would like to see what they say.
Yep. If I get in writing that it is legal then we will just have to see....
Post by: kirkl on July 25, 2013, 08:34:10 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 25, 2013, 08:35:56 AM
Post by: h20hunter on July 25, 2013, 08:37:23 AM
Post by: Goldeneye on July 25, 2013, 08:49:48 AM
Gonna get it in writing if I'm going to shoot him.
Good plan. Have the picture of the elk in the document that get's concurrence that it is legal in writing with a contact name and number of the Game official making the determination in case you are challenged.
It's not worth all the hassle and expense if you get challenged and don't have your facts all ready since this looks to be a judgement call.
Post by: h20hunter on July 25, 2013, 08:52:11 AM
Keep in mind folks......this was put up for friendly debate.....nothing more.
Post by: shanevg on July 25, 2013, 09:09:20 AM
The regs define an antler point as being at least one inch from the main beam so it would still be a two point deer in your scenario according to the regs. The bull pictured does have two antler points longer than 4 inches. I'm aware how antler tines are measured :bash:
The definition of a spike bull restriction is different than the legal buck definition and measures the antler point to the skull. Again this allows for small kickers that are often obscured by ears and hard to see. Read only the last sentence of spike bull restriction to see what I mean. Reinterpret only this sentence:
An animal with more than one antler point more than four inches above where the antler attaches to the skull on both sides is illegal.
This sentence is what makes this bull illegal, not the first sentence in the restriction discussing the branch.
I'm really confused by your post to tell the truth. From everything you've said I still come to my original conclusion that he is legal. I've always read it that if you measure out the main beam 4 inches, and then from there to the end of at least one beam there are no more points, it is legal. The info that you "bolded" above doesn't say anything about how long the eye guards can be, only that there can be only one point above the 4 inch mark.
Not saying I'd shoot it necessarily (without written approval), but I'd be congratulating anyone who did and never for a second question the legality.
Post by: JLS on July 25, 2013, 09:16:15 AM
Post by: Holg3107 on July 25, 2013, 09:19:46 AM
Here's an old thread on the topic from a few years back. There are some great examples of legal "spikes" on there. From the pics you posted it looks to me like it's a legal elk but I would have the regs in my pocket if I were to get checked.
Post by: YoterHunter on July 25, 2013, 09:35:07 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 25, 2013, 10:11:24 AM
Post by: h20hunter on July 25, 2013, 10:13:03 AM
Post by: h20hunter on July 25, 2013, 10:28:55 AM
Post by: RadSav on July 25, 2013, 10:38:09 AM
Request for pics from WDFW....pics sent out....
This will be interesting!
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 25, 2013, 10:41:25 AM
Post by: h20hunter on July 25, 2013, 10:42:05 AM
Post by: 92xj on July 25, 2013, 10:46:58 AM
Anyone seen Outdoor Guardian around in a while?
He's been out shooting his new Rtrifle....
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 25, 2013, 10:48:56 AM
oh snapAnyone seen Outdoor Guardian around in a while?
He's been out shooting his new Rtrifle....
Post by: h20hunter on July 25, 2013, 10:49:19 AM
Post by: 92xj on July 25, 2013, 10:52:25 AM
Post by: LITTLEBUCK on July 25, 2013, 11:09:02 AM
Post by: MIKEXRAY on July 25, 2013, 03:35:14 PM
Post by: woodswalker on July 25, 2013, 04:02:28 PM
there is too much risk of the Game officer NOT agreeing with you and then you go to court and have stuff confiscated. (RTSpring et al) Good luck on getting it back. At the least you are out time, gear and hunting...at worst...you wont hunt for a while and lose your gear for good...
Post by: kirkl on July 25, 2013, 04:14:36 PM
Post by: Skillet on July 25, 2013, 04:19:57 PM
How can a gamie not agree with you, alls he has to do is read the regs like I do. If it branches 4 inches or lower from the base of skull then it's a spike. Not hard to figure out the law. The gamie can throw up a tape measure just like anyone else! It's pretty cut and dried.
Woodswalker has a point. If the gamie decides, like a lot of other guys on here, he doesn't read them like you do, then it isn't a simple case of "well, we agree to disagree". It's a case of "well, I'ma take your gun and your truck, and if it turns out that I'm wrong you can see about getting your stuff back." And it don't always come back easy, ask rtspring.
I still think it's legal, though.
Post by: kirkl on July 25, 2013, 04:26:45 PM
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on July 25, 2013, 04:52:09 PM
For example One cop may consider speeding anything over 5 miles over another might not pull people over for going 3 miles over.
Post by: vandeman17 on July 25, 2013, 04:54:28 PM
Post by: kirkl on July 25, 2013, 05:00:38 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 25, 2013, 05:15:10 PM
Post by: zackmioli on July 25, 2013, 05:17:41 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 25, 2013, 06:04:27 PM
Post by: wog on July 25, 2013, 06:26:42 PM
Post by: Old Man Yager on July 25, 2013, 06:26:59 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 25, 2013, 06:28:40 PM
i think he should be shot just cause he's so damn uglyI'll shoot him if you help pack him. :dunno:
Post by: wog on July 25, 2013, 06:38:15 PM
Post by: wog on July 25, 2013, 06:40:34 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 25, 2013, 06:51:28 PM
Post by: h20hunter on July 26, 2013, 10:06:35 AM
Dear Mr. H20Hunter,
Thank you for contacting the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife.
We checked with our elk specialist and he determined from the pictures that it would not be legal to harvest that animal. When we looked at the left antler, it appears that the right antler started to grow an eye guard and main beam but was injured and did not continue to produce points. On page 45 of the hunting pamphlet it gives the definition of the Spike Bull Restriction and does not meet the requirements.
If you have other questions please feel free to contact us again.
Sincerely,
Wildlife Program Customer Service
(360)902-2515
Post by: RadSav on July 26, 2013, 10:15:00 AM
Maybe you should paint that guy up with a Tipman! WDFW probably would have a problem with that too but I expect it would make you feel better :chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on July 26, 2013, 10:19:31 AM
Simply not worth rist to fling arrows but fun to debate.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on July 26, 2013, 10:26:33 AM
Chances are the local game warden will just tell you to take it.
Curtis
Post by: h20hunter on July 26, 2013, 10:35:17 AM
Post by: RadSav on July 26, 2013, 10:36:09 AM
One of the members and I discussed this a bit more via PM. Really, the only way you would ever know for sure is to kill it then take a tape to it and measure. If you are right then you have a legal animal. If you are wrong, well then you are pretty much screwed in major way. We all know that shooting it and measuring later is a dumb idea and should not be done....so.....the answer of not legal from whomever is good enough for me.
Simply not worth rist to fling arrows but fun to debate.
Agreed!
My thought was that there is no question it is a 2X4. Might even be a 2X5 come season. There is no debate as to whether it's a 1X4, but whether it is a 2X4 that one might get away with shooting based upon a loophole in the regulations description.
Post by: h20hunter on July 26, 2013, 10:36:53 AM
Post by: elk247 on July 26, 2013, 10:38:28 AM
1X1x4!?!? :yike: :chuckle: you guys aren't really going to play Russian roulette with your hunting privileges are you? This was a good picture to post up. That bull has cool charactor. I think by the time you cape it out you will be measuring for fractions of an inch one way or the other from the skull plate to the fork. I wouldn't ever gamble on fractions of an inch let alone "inches" :twocents: unless i was in a 1x1x4 unit. Then I'd take him panfried, cut on the bias with salt, pepper and flour.Legal. It's a spike with an eye guard that simple. The definition is "originating 4" above where the antler is attached to the skull" ORIGINATING... Therefore begins, starts, (branches). So like I said spike with an eye guard on the right side. Tine length plays no factor. :twocents:
:yeah: I absolutely agree. Its basisally a 1x1x4 or like said just a very long eye guard. I've seen a 1x3x3 in the quilemene, I let it pass and another guy shot it and it was legal.
Post by: RadSav on July 26, 2013, 10:43:19 AM
Post by: provider on July 26, 2013, 11:10:22 AM
Quote
My thought was that there is no question it is a 2X4. Might even be a 2X5 come season. There is no debate as to whether it's a 1X4, but whether it is a 2X4 that one might get away with shooting based upon a loophole in the regulations description.
That's correct. There is no question or debate that elk does not represent a bull falling under the intent of the Spike Bull Restriction management strategy. Just because it might eek by legally on a technicality... doesn't make it right. I'm surprised how many people are willing to compromise values just to kill an elk.
Post by: elk247 on July 26, 2013, 11:15:46 AM
Post by: rtspring on July 26, 2013, 11:19:54 AM
I passed a spike last year that I knew was 95% sure a spike!! Foggy, trees and an old thing in my mind saying not sure dont shoot!!
Rtspring
Post by: Skillet on July 26, 2013, 11:45:45 AM
QuoteMy thought was that there is no question it is a 2X4. Might even be a 2X5 come season. There is no debate as to whether it's a 1X4, but whether it is a 2X4 that one might get away with shooting based upon a loophole in the regulations description.
That's correct. There is no question or debate that elk does not represent a bull falling under the intent of the Spike Bull Restriction management strategy. Just because it might eek by legally on a technicality... doesn't make it right. I'm surprised how many people are willing to compromise values just to kill an elk.
Well, that's a strong statement... The intent of the spike bull restriction management is to increase the bull:cow ratio by making essentially only 1.5 year old bulls available for harvest. If you killed a 1.5 year old bull that had forked at the top of each antler, making it JUST barely a 2x2, the intent of the law should let you tag it legally anyway. That "intent of the law" argument isn't going to fly with a gamie in the field who finds you with the 2x2, but clearly 1.5 year old animal, however. So I think it goes both ways. They defined the rules, we are expected to stick to them. If a freak fits within the rules as the Department defined them, I say it's a good stroke of luck for the hunter and he's going to have a unique trophy. It is far from the situation you describe above, which is somebody compromising their values just to kill an elk.
And if you are insinuating that we who would shoot are compromising the Department's values by shooting, well... I have my own personal values and ethics. I do not let a printed set of rules that I respectfully choose to follow (game department's or any other) determine those for me.
Post by: headshot5 on July 26, 2013, 11:50:17 AM
Post by: Gringo31 on July 26, 2013, 12:08:58 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 26, 2013, 12:25:15 PM
Post by: Skillet on July 26, 2013, 03:06:27 PM
Problem solved
SSS/
Shoot, Saw, Shut up?
Post by: wog on July 28, 2013, 06:12:35 AM
Post by: RadSav on July 28, 2013, 01:48:43 PM
answer this; is there a branch antler orgionating 4" inches above the base of the skull,, i say no it do'se not branch 4 inch above base of skull therefore it is a leagal elk
Answer this; Is it a spike?
Unless it has changed over the past 20 years there is a vague rule of law called obviousness. The "originating 4 in. above" rule in the game regulations, in my opinion, is there to hold a hunter harmless when there was non-obviousness in the proof the animal had additional points under the conditions of a hunting environment. Thus no longer an obvious definition of "Spike Elk".
So again, in my opinion, the obviousness by people of average skill level to recognize this elk as being a two point bull supersedes the 4" definition in the regulations. Being that this is considered a vague rule of law it would probably require a judge and/or jury to prove definitively. However, I would assume that might have some barring on why the WDFW came to it's conclusion in their note of response to H2O. :dunno:
Maybe, maybe not! I'm certainly not going to risk my financial stability and hunting rights on the 4" rule holding up in this case. Especially when the WDFW, in advance, has ruled otherwise.
It is a cool animal though. And a fun change of pace from the ordinary H-W thread.
Post by: elk247 on July 28, 2013, 02:10:04 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on July 28, 2013, 02:48:28 PM
I also know of a guy who shot a spike bull in Cowichie that was about 3 1/2 tall with a 2' spread... Aged at 5 1/2 years old... And I know I'm not the only one who saw the kid during muzzy elk in Cowichie last year who killed a legit huge bodied 1x6... Totally legal and a great way to get unwanted genetics out... My guess was the bull was probably 6 1/2 years old...
Post by: rtspring on July 28, 2013, 03:10:06 PM
100% legal... It's plain and simple... A spike with an eye guard... Not even close to 4" above base of antler... I've shot two spikes that have had eye guards... I don't see what everybody is so worked up about... It's clearly written in the regs that it's legal...
I also know of a guy who shot a spike bull in Cowichie that was about 3 1/2 tall with a 2' spread... Aged at 5 1/2 years old... And I know I'm not the only one who saw the kid during muzzy elk in Cowichie last year who killed a legit huge bodied 1x6... Totally legal and a great way to get unwanted genetics out... My guess was the bull was probably 6 1/2 years old...
I see your point and think myself it is legal. But one wrong gamie and that elk just cost you 5 grand and your gun and maybe your truck, and your elk tag...Its your word against theirs. To me it is easy, I would pass after my dealings with WDFW..
Post by: jstone on July 28, 2013, 06:16:20 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on July 29, 2013, 07:35:53 AM
I personally think they should rewrite the spike rule to state that if both sides have more than one point longer than 1" long then it is not a spike. Do away with the "more than 4" above skull" language.
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 29, 2013, 07:44:31 AM
Post by: pendoreilleadventures on July 29, 2013, 08:12:25 AM
Post by: Broken Arrow on July 29, 2013, 08:56:07 AM
Post by: CedarPants on July 29, 2013, 09:37:38 AM
Personally, I have a bit of an issue with anonymous WDFW customer service reps being allowed to interpret and advise on the law via email :twocents:
Post by: h20hunter on July 29, 2013, 09:39:30 AM
Post by: swwaoutdoorsman on July 29, 2013, 10:50:52 AM
Post by: swwaoutdoorsman on July 29, 2013, 10:55:08 AM
Post by: gunnarnewt on July 29, 2013, 11:20:55 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 29, 2013, 11:28:21 AM
Post by: swwaoutdoorsman on July 29, 2013, 11:31:07 AM
Shoot. I actually killed one quite similar to that one two or three years ago, and the local Warden said it was a legal kill. His interpretation was 4 inches or above the ear, and since my bulls branch was below the top of the ear, he concluded it was a legal spike. :twocents:Rules must be different unit to unit :chuckle: this is good stuff. One officer says legal and another says illegal. :o
Post by: swwaoutdoorsman on July 29, 2013, 11:35:01 AM
Post by: Rooster1981 on July 29, 2013, 12:17:10 PM
I think its legal,
Here is a legal spike I shot in 1996 confermed by a sheriff and two game wardens. At that time the wording was" nothing below the tip of the ears count " So double eye guards were legal. Now with the four inch rule I would shoot a bull with a single eye guard but not double. With double eye guards my bull branches at 6 inches from the base of the antler.
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Post by: h20hunter on July 29, 2013, 12:18:59 PM
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 26, 2013, 09:59:29 AM
Post by: buglebuster on August 26, 2013, 10:11:44 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 26, 2013, 10:39:38 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 26, 2013, 10:47:18 AM
This bull doesnt even compare to the one i posted, mines 100% legalI know you're right but if you go by wdfw pamphlet that looks to be legal by definition. Less than 4 inches from the skull. Your pic is of a spike with eye guards for sure.
Post by: Curly on August 26, 2013, 11:27:53 AM
Just think of it from WDFW's perspective. They have a trailcam pic and a question to them about the legality. If they say yes, go shoot it, and then the shooting gets a ticket for an illegal bull..........the crap will hit the fan. There is just no good reason for them to give the ok that the bull is legal..........it's much safer for them to say it is not a legal bull. :twocents:
Post by: Curly on August 26, 2013, 11:30:48 AM
Cool thread. 8) :tup:
Post by: rtspring on August 26, 2013, 11:35:19 AM
p.s. - I would not shoot that bull either, even though I am 99% sure it is legally classified as a spike. That little bit of doubt can get a guy in a lot of trouble.
Cool thread. 8) :tup:
Alot of trouble as in 5000.00 grand and you get to buy a new rifle...
Post by: h20hunter on August 26, 2013, 11:43:50 AM
A: My rifle.
Sorry.....had to do it.
Post by: rtspring on August 26, 2013, 11:56:55 AM
Q: What did the gamies son get for Christmas?
A: My rifle.
Sorry.....had to do it.
Dont worry!! Its all good
Post by: Pilot_Hunter on August 26, 2013, 12:13:50 PM
Post by: cryder on August 27, 2013, 06:06:25 AM
No Spike!absolutely hate that reg spikes are good eatn stuff but I think the neibors dog has just as much meat on him ill take a 3 year old cow instead and I wont have to ask mr spike to hold still wile I calculate going to jail or not watched fish n feathers bust a guy that shot a pronged spike 2 years ago looked like the swat team over there took him and his kill to jail not pretty at all idiots had it hangn in the tree we saw it before the fun police did so follow the regs these guys came outa places I dint no exsisted THERE EVERY WHERE !