Post by: burnhamrandr on October 21, 2008, 07:39:30 AM
Post by: spin05 on October 21, 2008, 08:10:03 AM
Post by: rougheye on October 21, 2008, 08:12:42 AM
Post by: burnhamrandr on October 21, 2008, 08:13:26 AM
Post by: rougheye on October 21, 2008, 08:16:52 AM
Post by: grizzlygibbs on October 21, 2008, 08:38:19 AM
Great tag by the way!
Post by: rougheye on October 21, 2008, 08:50:33 AM
Its not a draw tag!! It's open season to any archer with an un notched tag.Last i checked it was :dunno: Actually it has only been open to general 2 times in the last 15 years :bash:
Post by: Justin C. on October 21, 2008, 08:55:21 AM
Its not a draw tag!! It's open season to any archer with an un notched tag.Last i checked it was :dunno: Actually it has only been open to general 2 times in the last 15 years :bash:
:yeah:
1147 Entiat B Nov. 20-29 Any deer GMU 247 128
Better make sure you read the regs before you go out to hunt an "open unit" ;)
Post by: WOLFMAN on October 21, 2008, 08:56:15 AM
Post by: jadeball1 on October 21, 2008, 08:56:41 AM
Post by: WAmuleyHunter on October 21, 2008, 09:08:31 AM
Post by: skinzner on October 21, 2008, 09:18:29 AM
Post by: burnhamrandr on October 21, 2008, 11:55:44 AM
Post by: MichaelJ on October 21, 2008, 12:35:34 PM
Griz if guys can't use this site to better inform their buddies of a place to hunt or to better educate people of hunting possibilities then what is the site for. If you don't want to give out your honey hole you don't have to. There are some tags that have to be drawn for and is not a genreal tag. Myself I don't have a problem with sharing info for people that need it to better their odds of bagging a nice animal in a draw area in which you can only hunt it on a very limited time frame. I am not a kiss ass hunter who doesn't do their homework. I work hard for my animals I shoot and was asking the question because of the limited hunting possibilities for that unit.
I agree with you there... Send me a PM I should be in town for a couple days during your hunt and would be willing to come up and spend a day or two with you!
Don't worry about snow, the bucks will be there... Bring chains and utilize the road system... If you can find an area up there to hike over a mile or more without hitting another road you're doing something amazing! The roads are everywhere and lets hope you have good glass.
Deer are in every canyon up there you'll have no problem finding bucks!
Michael
Post by: grizzlygibbs on October 21, 2008, 03:31:31 PM
Griz if guys can't use this site to better inform their buddies of a place to hunt or to better educate people of hunting possibilities then what is the site for. If you don't want to give out your honey hole you don't have to. There are some tags that have to be drawn for and is not a genreal tag. Myself I don't have a problem with sharing info for people that need it to better their odds of bagging a nice animal in a draw area in which you can only hunt it on a very limited time frame. I am not a kiss ass hunter who doesn't do their homework. I work hard for my animals I shoot and was asking the question because of the limited hunting possibilities for that unit.
My question to you then is if you know the unit a little and did your homework, then what are you talking about "limited hunting possibilities in that unit"? I guess im a little spoiled haveing these great units in my back yard to go scout pretty much whenever i want, but if i got a montana tag, or a wyoming or colorado tags you could bet your ass i would be there scouting at least a couple times . if your gonna put the money into the hunt you might as well at least know the area your going, thats what im basing my comment on, my own personal outlook. Sorry if my comment gave you a bad taste in your mouth and I really do hope you bag a trophy.
That is the reason in my first response to your post said "i realize not everyone can scout as much as they want...what works for one might not work for another"
Post by: BENCHLEG on October 21, 2008, 06:37:28 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on October 21, 2008, 07:06:53 PM
Griz if guys can't use this site to better inform their buddies of a place to hunt or to better educate people of hunting possibilities then what is the site for. If you don't want to give out your honey hole you don't have to. There are some tags that have to be drawn for and is not a genreal tag. Myself I don't have a problem with sharing info for people that need it to better their odds of bagging a nice animal in a draw area in which you can only hunt it on a very limited time frame. I am not a kiss ass hunter who doesn't do their homework. I work hard for my animals I shoot and was asking the question because of the limited hunting possibilities for that unit.
My question to you then is if you know the unit a little and did your homework, then what are you talking about "limited hunting possibilities in that unit"? I guess im a little spoiled haveing these great units in my back yard to go scout pretty much whenever i want, but if i got a montana tag, or a wyoming or colorado tags you could bet your ass i would be there scouting at least a couple times . if your gonna put the money into the hunt you might as well at least know the area your going, thats what im basing my comment on, my own personal outlook. Sorry if my comment gave you a bad taste in your mouth and I really do hope you bag a trophy.
That is the reason in my first response to your post said "i realize not everyone can scout as much as they want...what works for one might not work for another"
Hey Josh, I hear you as well but this is a draw only tag... IE: limited hunting opportunity.
If the guy was asking for a general tag spot or an archery spot, or anything else than I wouldn't expect him to get hardly any help, but when someone draws a nice tag like this its nice to be able to help 'em out a little bit. I'm sure most of the bucks he's seeing aren't the resident deer you know of, or the early migrators. He'll be seeing 95% migratory deer that you will never have a chance to hunt unless you draw a tag, so why the beef?
Michael
Post by: big_bucks on October 21, 2008, 07:58:31 PM
Post by: Bighorse on October 21, 2008, 07:59:35 PM
Now when I did hunt in Washington for Blacktail. I scored twice in the two years I could stand it. Each time I was blessed with the kind guidance of a fellow hunter. I did both hunts solo but was pointed prehunt to a fairly specific area. Mainly because access is so tight in Washington I just didn't know where to point my boots.
I'm a hard working family guy and when I leave my family and home alone it very important that my hunting time is effective. We should be looking out for each other and helping maintain our hunting heritage in a healthy way.
Unfortunatly it goes much deeper than that and were really predators competing for a limited resource.
So with that in mind....this guy is participating in a very limited access hunt utilizing a Bow. Throw him a bone without hesitation. He's doing more to support our heritage than I think we will every fully appreciate.
I'd sent you a drainage name without hesitation via PM if I knew anything about that unit. Maybe you could scout it and let me know how things are going and return the favor if I ever got drawn.
Up here the Raven will let you know where the game is............................We all are in this together.
Post by: WAcoueshunter on October 21, 2008, 08:31:02 PM
You really need the snow to fly (and it usually does by then), which brings them down into the canyons and draws. If you have snow, you won't have any problem finding them. The trick will be putting all your spot and stalk skills together (all the more challenging in crunchy snow) to make it happen.
Post by: nwhunter on October 21, 2008, 10:06:56 PM
Post by: Bighorse on October 22, 2008, 04:05:49 AM
I was able to get on the horn with a guy that lives on POW island and get really solid information on a particular drainage where he was successful. He didn't give me trail info or the nitty gritty. Just a "there in there, now go get em".
After the fact we got on the horn together and had a good time sharing info about a hunt area we both could appreciate. He also offered his assistance in case of emergency.
My point......he was able to contribute and in a way and kinda relive a hunt he hadn't done for like 10 years.
Sorry about your thread being hijacked......now lets see this guy to some Archery Mule deer action.......I love those snow photos of big bucks.
Post by: burnhamrandr on October 22, 2008, 06:47:22 AM
Post by: grizzlygibbs on October 22, 2008, 07:25:52 AM
Griz if guys can't use this site to better inform their buddies of a place to hunt or to better educate people of hunting possibilities then what is the site for. If you don't want to give out your honey hole you don't have to. There are some tags that have to be drawn for and is not a genreal tag. Myself I don't have a problem with sharing info for people that need it to better their odds of bagging a nice animal in a draw area in which you can only hunt it on a very limited time frame. I am not a kiss ass hunter who doesn't do their homework. I work hard for my animals I shoot and was asking the question because of the limited hunting possibilities for that unit.
My question to you then is if you know the unit a little and did your homework, then what are you talking about "limited hunting possibilities in that unit"? I guess im a little spoiled haveing these great units in my back yard to go scout pretty much whenever i want, but if i got a montana tag, or a wyoming or colorado tags you could bet your ass i would be there scouting at least a couple times . if your gonna put the money into the hunt you might as well at least know the area your going, thats what im basing my comment on, my own personal outlook. Sorry if my comment gave you a bad taste in your mouth and I really do hope you bag a trophy.
That is the reason in my first response to your post said "i realize not everyone can scout as much as they want...what works for one might not work for another"
Hey Josh, I hear you as well but this is a draw only tag... IE: limited hunting opportunity.
If the guy was asking for a general tag spot or an archery spot, or anything else than I wouldn't expect him to get hardly any help, but when someone draws a nice tag like this its nice to be able to help 'em out a little bit. I'm sure most of the bucks he's seeing aren't the resident deer you know of, or the early migrators. He'll be seeing 95% migratory deer that you will never have a chance to hunt unless you draw a tag, so why the beef?
Michael
I see your point and gracefully bow out, having made a private apology as well as makeing it public to all of you.
I am sorry for being a hi-jacker and see all your points. The only thing I did was make an ass out of myself. I did
congradulate burnhamrandr on the great tag in my first post, however also made myself look like an ass, so my
apologies.
now that thats over :party1: I hope you get a deer.
Post by: dreamingbig on October 22, 2008, 08:39:49 AM
However, my opinion and my opinion only, is that even though it is a draw unit, giving out information publicly online is not the best way to go about it.
I would prefer someone ask for PMs and that information is sent via PMs. The reasoning is this... Consider the other tag holders who have drawn for the area this year (there is more than one tag) and they have scouted the unit, reviewed maps, have a game plan in place, are praying for the right weather (might even have a back up plan if the snow is lighter or heavier than expected) and all in have really put their time into the effort.
Then similar information is put forth online publicly directing all tag holders to the same basin, on the same ridge, and effectively nullifying the efforts by the other permit holders.
I have hunted the unit before and know from experience that not every ridge is equal and that there are some parts of the unit that are better than others. I also think that the more spread out the permit holders are in the unit the more successfully they will be.
I guess what I am trying to say is that if you don't have time to do the work yourself because a. you don't have time, b. you can't afford it, c. you are lazy, d. you don't know how to scout or e. any other number of reasons then by all means ask, but ask for PMs and nothing more.
Okay, that is my opinion, take it for what it is worth. Good luck to all who have drawn the permit; it is a very fun unit to hunt. Hoping for some snow for you to get the deer on the move! It will be interesting to see how many there actually are given last years winter kill.
Post by: burnhamrandr on October 22, 2008, 09:03:50 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on October 22, 2008, 09:28:36 AM
I do agree with you about the PM's, and have used them. But you have to ask the question first to get the pm's right?
Yes you do have to ask the question first. My suggestion would be to add another sentence that says, "Please send me a PM with any information you can offer."
Again, only my opinion. Good luck on your hunt.
Post by: Slow-1 on October 22, 2008, 09:37:46 AM
Post by: MichaelJ on October 22, 2008, 09:56:08 AM
It will be interesting to see how many there actually are given last years winter kill.
The chelan CO deer herd last year wintered very well... Not very much winter kill at all unlike the rest of the state... sure we got a lot of snow, but in a day or two the S. facing slopes were bare again... We got lucky last year thats for sure!
Michael
Post by: dreamingbig on October 22, 2008, 10:45:15 AM
Post by: spin05 on October 22, 2008, 10:52:51 AM
Post by: burnhamrandr on October 22, 2008, 11:00:19 AM
Post by: provider on October 22, 2008, 11:07:08 AM
I think the point Grizz was trying to make is in the approach one takes when requesting information (help). Did they just ask blindly on a message board for anything anyone would be willing to give? Or, did they do their homework and are asking to verify information they gathered on their own? I know the information (help) I give, is in direct proportion to the amount of effort the requester either has, or is willing to put in. I don’t believe you are “helping” anyone by doing it for them.
Here is an actual real life exchange: Permit holder calls up and asks, “Can you tell me some good spots to look?” Answer was, “Congrats on your permit draw! Be sure to focus on north-facing slopes, early mornings and late evenings, and look for areas with fresh sign (tracks and droppings) and good luck”. Another permit holder calls up and asks, “I’ve read the Harvest and the Herd Status and Trends Reports, and have been studying maps of my permit area. I thought the Jelly Bean Ridge area looked like a good place to start my scouting efforts, and wanted to get your thoughts on it?” Answer was, “Congrats on your permit draw! Actually, the habitat conditions on Jelly Bean Ridge are poor quality right now and I would not recommend focusing effort there. However, it would not be a bad idea to look just west of there in Candy Cane Canyon, and good luck”.
Both inquiries were the same (wanting to know a good spot), but were entirely different in their approach and effort being put forth. I think you should put the effort in fellas, and not just go on a message board and ask for handouts.
Post by: huntnphool on October 22, 2008, 11:16:16 AM
I think you should put the effort in fellas, and not just go on a message board and ask for handouts.
No sugar coating here fellas, hope you have thick skin :chuckle: What really cracks me up is its coming from someone named "Provider" :lol4:
Post by: MichaelJ on October 22, 2008, 11:39:16 AM
There’s a big difference between getting “they’re in there, now go get um” help, and getting someone to draw you an “X” on a map. First of all, would you really want someone to draw you an “X” on a map, even if they could? And, should someone draw you an “X” on a map, even if they could?
I think the point Grizz was trying to make is in the approach one takes when requesting information (help). Did they just ask blindly on a message board for anything anyone would be willing to give? Or, did they do their homework and are asking to verify information they gathered on their own? I know the information (help) I give, is in direct proportion to the amount of effort the requester either has, or is willing to put in. I don’t believe you are “helping” anyone by doing it for them.
Here is an actual real life exchange: Permit holder calls up and asks, “Can you tell me some good spots to look?” Answer was, “Congrats on your permit draw! Be sure to focus on north-facing slopes, early mornings and late evenings, and look for areas with fresh sign (tracks and droppings) and good luck”. Another permit holder calls up and asks, “I’ve read the Harvest and the Herd Status and Trends Reports, and have been studying maps of my permit area. I thought the Jelly Bean Ridge area looked like a good place to start my scouting efforts, and wanted to get your thoughts on it?” Answer was, “Congrats on your permit draw! Actually, the habitat conditions on Jelly Bean Ridge are poor quality right now and I would not recommend focusing effort there. However, it would not be a bad idea to look just west of there in Candy Cane Canyon, and good luck”.
Both inquiries were the same (wanting to know a good spot), but were entirely different in their approach and effort being put forth. I think you should put the effort in fellas, and not just go on a message board and ask for handouts.
I agree 100%!!! I just read a thread in the elk section about someone wanting info and thought (there's no way he's gonna get any solid info...) I'm sure some of you know the thread Im talking about. I actually have some info there but it just didn't feel right....
I'm also eager to help as I got a good streak going on the late entiat hunts and helping others out... went 3 for 3 last year on helping guys out and it would be cool to get back in there this november...
Michael
Post by: bow4elk on October 22, 2008, 12:01:42 PM
I am helping a couple people out off-line because I want to help them be successful and plan a safe, fun experience. I'm not giving up any of my personal spots, just giving them general advise that they can apply to their own legwork.
I saw so much effort by others to get people onto moose, it was very refreshing. Wouldn't it be nice for a change if people were that willing to help with hunts that aren't so high profile? What about the average guy looking to get started on the right foot? Nothing about that has anything to do with giving them places to hunt. Show them HOW to hunt, what to look for, etc.
My :twocents:
Post by: huntnphool on October 22, 2008, 12:14:09 PM
Wouldn't it be nice for a change if people were that willing to help with hunts that aren't so high profile? What about the average guy looking to get started on the right foot?
I think there is a lot more help going on than you think bow4elk, a lot of it is as you do yourself, sent in PM's. I help out in PM's a lot and give out spots that I personally have had success in all the time, I'm sure there are several on here that can attest to that. Personally I get more enjoyment these days seeing someone else that I help tag out than I do myself, moose being the exception, I really want that big *censored* :chuckle: :twocents:
Post by: Bearhunter on October 22, 2008, 12:18:25 PM
Heres the last little guy I took over there 2006
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi107.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm292%2Fpetkmj%2F02570016.jpg&hash=98a9d78372de923ff440d4b8ae9b0ce7bd29dfd2)
Heres one from before it went to permit only
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi107.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm292%2Fpetkmj%2FEntiat04jpg1.jpg&hash=ac711432ce6ff3539244d8cc0a499127a273ad4e)
Post by: huntnphool on October 22, 2008, 12:22:06 PM
Heres the last little guy I took over there
Little guy, you are funny :tup:
Post by: NRA4LIFE on October 22, 2008, 12:30:55 PM
As far as giving info out, I don't mind, especially if I have information about an area that I can't or don't plan to hunt.
Post by: Bearhunter on October 22, 2008, 12:49:21 PM
Post by: burnhamrandr on October 22, 2008, 03:40:29 PM
Post by: spin05 on October 22, 2008, 05:15:13 PM
Post by: grizzlygibbs on October 22, 2008, 05:55:18 PM
Post by: jstamp on October 22, 2008, 10:15:41 PM
Post by: burnhamrandr on October 23, 2008, 07:41:10 AM
Post by: spin05 on October 23, 2008, 01:15:56 PM
Post by: burnhamrandr on October 23, 2008, 07:19:39 PM
Post by: MichaelJ on October 24, 2008, 01:10:01 PM
I drew the late bow for the enait unit, was hopping that I could get some info from someone to help me out. I know the area a little, just thought I would check.
Just realized, but you drew a late entiat bow tag, AND a Selkirk moose tag??? WTF man want to share some of that luck with me??? lol
Michael
Post by: beav1980 on October 24, 2008, 05:28:52 PM
Post by: spin05 on October 24, 2008, 05:54:03 PM
Manson was pretty good, My brother and I drew and he shoot a pretty nice four point around 22-23 inch and I shoot a very nice 2 point that was 26 wide and very tall. That was awhile ago. I think it was 2000. I had fun. It snow on us right after we got there so we were able to go all the way up to the horse correl.
We used to hunt behind the ski resort.The last 3 times i have been there years ago was terrible.I had heard the apple pickers were poaching in that area and the gamey was afraid of them.Who knows ,that was almost 12 years ago now.