Post by: singleshot12 on August 03, 2013, 06:44:28 PM
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Post by: popeshawnpaul on August 03, 2013, 07:41:23 PM
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Post by: Johnb317 on August 03, 2013, 08:38:46 PM
Mentioned that we are the Canaries in the coal mine, that Pittman-Robertson Act, Fed Duck Stamp money etc. is directly earmarked. That a Hunter (T Roosevelt) Created the National Park System.
Also mentioned Ducks Unlimited was started by hunters to protect breeding grounds in Canada.
If you read the guys comments.... he's anti-hunting nothing else.
Post by: Johnb317 on August 03, 2013, 08:46:49 PM
In 2006, there were 71 million wildlife watchers in the United States, 2.33 million of which were in the state of Washington. Licensed hunters in Washington state numbered 270,00 for that year. (2006 is latest reporting year)
The 2.33 million wildlife watchers in Washington are responsible for the state's ranking of 11th in the nation. They also spent $1.5 billion in retail sales, $204 million in state and local taxes and $206 million in federal taxes as well as a total multiplier effect of $2.5billion. There were also 25,798 jobs and $864 million paid in salaries, wages and business owner income related to wildlife watchers.
***** Wildlife Watchers ***** Where do they get these numbers??? is there a wildlife watcher license I don't know about?? When we're scouting are we then 'Wild Life Watchers'?
Post by: singleshot12 on August 03, 2013, 08:48:11 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on August 03, 2013, 11:28:51 PM
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Post by: singleshot12 on August 04, 2013, 11:48:14 AM
If you read the guys comments.... he's anti-hunting nothing else.He sounds pretty positive that this area will be closed for recreational hunting in the near future. Which area will they work on next? ALL hunters from all areas need to be aware of these groups and what we're up against. They will not stop until all hunting in Washington state is banned. We as hunters need to stand up more and put an end to this non-sense,starting with this example :twocents:
Post by: TVHunts on August 04, 2013, 07:42:36 PM
I responded to the guy that created this website. He is a local bird photographer. Check out my response and the comments from it. I am also a photographer and have utilized the site for both purposes but I don't agree with this guy.
Very well done Pope! He didn't have an arguement and, couldn't argue with you. He just can't can't past his need to end hunting, one little place at a time....
Post by: huntingfool7 on August 04, 2013, 08:45:00 PM
Useful contact information:
Loren Brokaw
Loren.Brokaw@dfw.wa.gov
Restoration Projects Coordinator
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
16018 Mill Creek Blvd
Mill Creek, WA 98012
Office: (425) 775 – 1311 ext. 105
Cell: (425) 697 – 0687
Post by: AspenBud on August 05, 2013, 10:10:16 AM
From a wildlife conservation standpoint there is no group of people who have paid more for wildlife conservation and habitat than hunters. Every firearm and sporting good you buy has a tax on it thanks to the Pittman Robertson Act and many of the people who enjoy the fruits of that while hiking, biking, and wildlife watching HAVE NOT PAID A DIME INTO IT.
If anything these release sites need to exist to ensure that money keeps coming because fewer hunters = fewer funds for wildlife conservation...and the state of hunting in Washington is about as dismal as it can get. Less than 300,000 hunters to 7,000,000 people in the state is just flat out bad. Every opportunity to hunt that is taken away lowers that number further.
The thing a lot of anti hunting people fail to understand is without wildlife, there is no hunting. Hunters are intrinsically conservationists.
Post by: singleshot12 on August 05, 2013, 03:21:30 PM
Post by: AspenBud on August 05, 2013, 03:44:16 PM
Less than 300,000 hunters and probabely only 300 hundred of them actually get off their butts write letters and show up at meetings :bash: We as a whole "the hunter" are making the anti-hunter agenda very easy for them. I'm ashamed to say we are letting it happen. So really the only ones who deserve to bitch and complain are the ones who actually tried to do something about it.
You're absolutely right.
It's more than that. There isn't a lot going on to introduce more people to hunting.
Some of it also falls on parents. I know guys who spend more time taking their kids to baseball than they do in a field chasing birds behind a dog or in the woods hunting deer. A number of those guys like to hunt but for whatever reason seldom, if ever, take their kids hunting or even fishing and the culture is being lost as a result.
It sucks.
Post by: Stilly bay on August 05, 2013, 05:51:52 PM
Less than 300,000 hunters and probabely only 300 hundred of them actually get off their butts write letters and show up at meetings :bash: We as a whole "the hunter" are making the anti-hunter agenda very easy for them. I'm ashamed to say we are letting it happen. So really the only ones who deserve to bitch and complain are the ones who actually tried to do something about it.
You're absolutely right.
It's more than that. There isn't a lot going on to introduce more people to hunting.
Some of it also falls on parents. I know guys who spend more time taking their kids to baseball than they do in a field chasing birds behind a dog or in the woods hunting deer. A number of those guys like to hunt but for whatever reason seldom, if ever, take their kids hunting or even fishing and the culture is being lost as a result.
It sucks.
it does indeed, this particular loss for hunters ( its not lost yet, the coffin has been built and they just need one more nail) and potential hunters is a tragedy. I wonder how many kids that live on Camano Island are going to miss out on hunting opportunities? Camano is somewhat isolated by distance, now the nearest release site will be around an hour away, public duck hunting opportunities will be further and feeling the impact of displaced hunters that once used smith farm. Gas money adds up quick along with license fees and gear hunting is cost prohibitive for beginners these days. We should be making it cheaper and easier for kids to be introduced to this sport too bad its the other way around.
Less than 300,000 hunters and probabely only 300 hundred of them actually get off their butts write letters and show up at meetings :bash: We as a whole "the hunter" are making the anti-hunter agenda very easy for them. I'm ashamed to say we are letting it happen. So really the only ones who deserve to bitch and complain are the ones who actually tried to do something about it.
I am blaming this on every last pheasant hunter, duck hunter, dog walker, sturgeon fisherman, and good birdwatcher that has used smith farm but couldn't be bothered to do anything about its pending demise. It was no secret, this has been going on for years now. plenty of people use the place for outdoor recreation of all sorts, its a mad house on the weekends during hunting season where the hell were all of you?
Hunters for the most part enjoy the solitary aspect of their sport, gathering together and uniting isn't in our nature. But it is in the nature of all these animal rights cluks, and that is why in the end they are going to beat us and have their way. Too many hunters are just willing to sit back and hope that someone else is going to do the heavy lifting for them in regards to fighting for our rights and our hunting areas.
Thank you to all those who actually did something.
Post by: singleshot12 on August 06, 2013, 06:36:51 AM
I remember when the schools had archery classes and skeet and trap shoots. More than half the teachers hunted them selves and supported it. Now the teachers seem to bad mouth hunting anyway they can by expressing their own personal non-hunting beliefs in front of the students. What kind of a backwards society are they trying to create?
Post by: seth30 on August 06, 2013, 06:50:30 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on August 06, 2013, 07:13:00 AM
I looked over that website and there were pics of the usuall slob hunters leaving behind there shells. I wish guys would clean up after themselves :bash: I no longer upland hunt but when I waterfowel hunt I usually pull out a shopping bag's worth of shotgun shells left from other hunters. We cant continue to give the left ammo to shut our way of life down. :twocents:
And that's a major part of the problem. Most DO pick up after themselves, but like fishing it's the 10% that don't and it makes us all look bad. The people that don't hunt look at us as all slobs becuase of it.
Post by: AspenBud on August 06, 2013, 10:04:04 AM
He's also incredibly insulting to the hunting community. Given the amount of money for habitat that we provide every year both via Pittman Robertson and other organizations like Ducks Unlimited, Pheasants Forever, The Ruffed Grouse Society, and so forth I would say we do probably more for the very birds he likes to watch than anyone else. Heck, in some parts of the country hunters help states out by using their dogs to find migratory birds like woodcock and band them.
We're also banned from running our dogs on wild birds between April and the start of August. How many here get a serious case of the red ass when they see some hiker or whoever letting their house dog romp around during nesting season? I know I do.
Sorry, I'm just really tired of guys like this. They are both very misinformed and offensive.
Post by: singleshot12 on August 06, 2013, 11:28:00 AM
Post by: stevemiller on August 06, 2013, 12:16:42 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on August 06, 2013, 12:25:18 PM
We all need to be very dilligent in our hunting areas,any one interfering with someones hunt in any way needs to be turned in to leo and we need to force the pros. att. into prosecuting each and everyone of them to the fullest. :twocents:
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Post by: singleshot12 on August 08, 2013, 04:14:49 PM
We all need to be very dilligent in our hunting areas,any one interfering with someones hunt in any way needs to be turned in to leo and we need to force the pros. att. into prosecuting each and everyone of them to the fullest. :twocents:
I guess I should of reported them when they yelled at me for training my dogs. I also should of reported the mysterious nails and screws that keep getting dumped where hunters park. Next time I will file a complaint against these people.
You know if these anti-hunter birdwatchers insist on being in the field during hunting season it boggles my mind why they don't have the smarts to wear ORANGE. After all their main concern for shutting down these areas to hunting is the safety issue. It's as if they want accidents and confrontations.
Post by: Stilly bay on August 08, 2013, 04:54:38 PM
We all need to be very dilligent in our hunting areas,any one interfering with someones hunt in any way needs to be turned in to leo and we need to force the pros. att. into prosecuting each and everyone of them to the fullest. :twocents:
I guess I should of reported them when they yelled at me for training my dogs. I also should of reported the mysterious nails and screws that keep getting dumped where hunters park. Next time I will file a complaint against these people.
You know if these anti-hunter birdwatchers insist on being in the field during hunting season it boggles my mind why they don't have the smarts to wear ORANGE. After all their main concern for shutting down these areas to hunting is the safety issue. It's as if they want accidents and confrontations.
You can Bird Watch and to some extent duck hunt anywhere, Pheasant release sites are very few. It only makes sense that everyone wears blaze orange during pheasant season between 8:00 - 4:00 if bird hunters or duck hunters don't like it, go somewhere else for the brief time that Western Wa pheasant is open.
Mandatory Blaze Orange can only improve things for everyone on the release site, its a small concession that most reasonable people can agree with.
Blaze orange isn't just for safety, it also helps us to do our best to stay out of each other's way.
Post by: AspenBud on August 08, 2013, 05:09:14 PM
Post by: CedarPants on August 08, 2013, 05:21:20 PM
Frustrating, and potentially dangerous. No, she wasn't wearing orange either
Post by: singleshot12 on August 08, 2013, 05:49:06 PM
I'm of the opinion that if people (non-hunting) are going to be enjoying the outdoors during hunting season, and if they choose to go where hunters may be, it should be state law that they wear hunter orange as well. No exceptions.
Definately a common sense law that needs to be pushed
Post by: stevemiller on August 08, 2013, 06:41:32 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on August 09, 2013, 12:45:20 PM
Post by: seth30 on August 09, 2013, 12:47:55 PM
not all areas please :'( Some of the areas I hunt for ducks are now overrun by birdwatchers and hikers. They spook the ducks with there bright colors, out of control dogs and noise they make :bash: I stopped hunting in one of those areas after I had to kick someones mutt that attacked my lab. :bash:I'm of the opinion that if people (non-hunting) are going to be enjoying the outdoors during hunting season, and if they choose to go where hunters may be, it should be state law that they wear hunter orange as well. No exceptions.
Definately a common sense law that needs to be pushed
Post by: singleshot12 on August 09, 2013, 12:52:20 PM
not all areas please :'( Some of the areas I hunt for ducks are now overrun by birdwatchers and hikers. They spook the ducks with there bright colors, out of control dogs and noise they make :bash: I stopped hunting in one of those areas after I had to kick someones mutt that attacked my lab. :bash:I'm of the opinion that if people (non-hunting) are going to be enjoying the outdoors during hunting season, and if they choose to go where hunters may be, it should be state law that they wear hunter orange as well. No exceptions.
Definately a common sense law that needs to be pushed
only in areas where pheasant and duck overlap! it's a safety issue! specially where bird watchers insist on being
Post by: singleshot12 on August 09, 2013, 12:55:58 PM
simple solution! ban the duck and phez hunters from these sites :bash:
Post by: stevemiller on August 09, 2013, 01:52:39 PM
well we don't have to worry about harrassment if the bleeding heart birdwatchers win and get the whole release site all to themselves. this is what this thread is about.wouldnt have gotten this far if they would have been turned in all along now would it have? :bash: :bash:
Post by: AspenBud on August 09, 2013, 02:28:16 PM
not all areas please :'( Some of the areas I hunt for ducks are now overrun by birdwatchers and hikers. They spook the ducks with there bright colors, out of control dogs and noise they make :bash: I stopped hunting in one of those areas after I had to kick someones mutt that attacked my lab. :bash:I'm of the opinion that if people (non-hunting) are going to be enjoying the outdoors during hunting season, and if they choose to go where hunters may be, it should be state law that they wear hunter orange as well. No exceptions.
Definately a common sense law that needs to be pushed
only in areas where pheasant and duck overlap! it's a safety issue! specially where bird watchers insist on being
As a pheasant hunter on a release site I try to stay away from blinds and keep my dog away. If I grouse hunt during bow season in a state where bow hunters are commonly sitting in tree stands I expect them to let me know they are there so I don't interfere with their hunt or worse, accidentally shoot them during a flush.
It's common respect and understanding of what the other guy is out to do.
Hikers, bird watchers, and so forth, they all need some sort of education in that at the least. Hunter orange should be a common sense thing for them and required by law, big clear signs saying that hunting is going on should be posted (a lot of them say they don't know hunting is going on or even when the seasons are) and we all need to be better about making hunter harassment complaints. If they are walking in front of your blind that's about as blatant as it can get.
Post by: singleshot12 on August 09, 2013, 03:28:24 PM
:yeah:not all areas please :'( Some of the areas I hunt for ducks are now overrun by birdwatchers and hikers. They spook the ducks with there bright colors, out of control dogs and noise they make :bash: I stopped hunting in one of those areas after I had to kick someones mutt that attacked my lab. :bash:I'm of the opinion that if people (non-hunting) are going to be enjoying the outdoors during hunting season, and if they choose to go where hunters may be, it should be state law that they wear hunter orange as well. No exceptions.
Definately a common sense law that needs to be pushed
only in areas where pheasant and duck overlap! it's a safety issue! specially where bird watchers insist on being
As a pheasant hunter on a release site I try to stay away from blinds and keep my dog away. If I grouse hunt during bow season in a state where bow hunters are commonly sitting in tree stands I expect them to let me know they are there so I don't interfere with their hunt or worse, accidentally shoot them during a flush.
It's common respect and understanding of what the other guy is out to do.
Hikers, bird watchers, and so forth, they all need some sort of education in that at the least. Hunter orange should be a common sense thing for them and required by law, big clear signs saying that hunting is going on should be posted (a lot of them say they don't know hunting is going on or even when the seasons are) and we all need to be better about making hunter harassment complaints. If they are walking in front of your blind that's about as blatant as it can get.
These sort of things need to get sorted out soon...Blaze orange for all users during season. What would it take to get this simple law passed? Hate to see release sites closing due to hiker birdwatcher saftey complaints
Post by: singleshot12 on August 09, 2013, 03:37:16 PM
well we don't have to worry about harrassment if the bleeding heart birdwatchers win and get the whole release site all to themselves. this is what this thread is about.wouldnt have gotten this far if they would have been turned in all along now would it have? :bash: :bash:
Turned in for just being on a release site during season? :tup: I like that idea :)
Post by: cardboard slayer on August 09, 2013, 04:34:52 PM
Post by: bear hunter on August 09, 2013, 06:24:02 PM
Post by: Johnb317 on August 09, 2013, 09:00:12 PM
It's the foot in the door, they just want a small site, until the next one.
They can use the land for 7 months and we'll take the other 5.
We need to fight every step of the way. Maybe take an air horn out off season when they're birding :chuckle:
Post by: snowpack on August 09, 2013, 09:07:49 PM
seen a hole family picking berry's last year 200 yards of the road with black and brown shirts on I tolled them that they should put some different colors being that it was bear season the dad tolled me to mind my own business if some one shot them that was not his falt. I didn't know what to saySeen some hikers that dress in 'earth tone' colors. They said bright colors disturb wildlife and they didn't want to stress out the animals. :rolleyes:
Post by: cardboard slayer on August 09, 2013, 09:40:11 PM
Post by: Andrew on August 09, 2013, 10:09:52 PM
My only run in was during a grouse hunt and a couple came down the trail at me yelling "Don't shoot Don't shoot WE ARE NOT BEARS!!!" I replied "you were safe I noticed you didn't have any wings". They didn't appreciate my humor.
Post by: singleshot12 on August 10, 2013, 11:54:45 AM
Wow, in order to read that website I had to go and take a stupid pill to understand their logic.
That's it! They run on strictly emotion and just because they don't hunt they figure nobody else should either!
Could we do something about it and protect our designated hunting lands? YES, but from what i've seen about 90% of us hunters are too friggin lazy to write letters,go to meetings and do anything about it :bash:
Post by: BiggLuke on August 15, 2013, 01:59:12 PM
Maybe with a big picture of a happy smile right under it. :chuckle:
Post by: Dhoey07 on August 15, 2013, 02:03:10 PM
We all, as hunters, should foot the bill to make up a bunch of offical looking posters that we can all take out with us and hang up at sites like these, that read: "This land access brought to you by Hunters. Thank you for visiting. Buy Ducks stamps to help conserve wildlife."
Maybe with a big picture of a happy smile right under it. :chuckle:
Make some up, I'll help distribute
Post by: singleshot12 on August 15, 2013, 02:23:17 PM
We all, as hunters, should foot the bill to make up a bunch of offical looking posters that we can all take out with us and hang up at sites like these, that read: "This land access brought to you by Hunters. Thank you for visiting. Buy Ducks stamps to help conserve wildlife."Great idea! but i'm sure they'd tear them down as fast as we could put them :bash:
Maybe with a big picture of a happy smile right under it. :chuckle:
Post by: Nosferatu on August 17, 2013, 11:16:56 PM
We all, as hunters, should foot the bill to make up a bunch of offical looking posters that we can all take out with us and hang up at sites like these, that read: "This land access brought to you by Hunters. Thank you for visiting. Buy Ducks stamps to help conserve wildlife."
Maybe with a big picture of a happy smile right under it. :chuckle:
I like this idea. I may draft something up. I'll also include the text from RCW 77.15.180;
Quote
RCW 77.15.180
Unlawful interference with fishing or hunting gear — Penalty.
(1) A person is guilty of unlawful interference with fishing or hunting gear in the second degree if the person:
(a) Takes or releases a wild animal from another person's trap without permission;
(b) Springs, pulls up, damages, possesses, or destroys another person's trap without the owner's permission; or
(c) Interferes with recreational gear used to take fish or shellfish.
(2) Unlawful interference with fishing or hunting gear in the second degree is a misdemeanor.
(3) A person is guilty of unlawful interference with fishing or hunting gear in the first degree if the person:
(a) Takes or releases fish or shellfish from commercial fishing gear without the owner's permission; or
(b) Intentionally destroys or interferes with commercial fishing gear.
(4) Unlawful interference with fishing or hunting gear in the first degree is a gross misdemeanor.
(5) A person is not in violation of unlawful interference with fishing or hunting gear if the person removes a trap placed on property owned, leased, or rented by the person.
Great idea! but i'm sure they'd tear them down as fast as we could put them :bash:
It may be true, but that's the defeatist attitude we need to get away from and just do it. We need to put them up faster than they can take them down.
I'm going to write WDFW to check the legality of posting such items. After that, feel free to send me any specific design items. It should be fairly inexpensive to print up, I don't mind footing the bill if people are genuinely interested in posting them.
Post by: singleshot12 on August 18, 2013, 07:10:56 AM
We all, as hunters, should foot the bill to make up a bunch of offical looking posters that we can all take out with us and hang up at sites like these, that read: "This land access brought to you by Hunters. Thank you for visiting. Buy Ducks stamps to help conserve wildlife."
Maybe with a big picture of a happy smile right under it. :chuckle:
I like this idea. I may draft something up. I'll also include the text from RCW 77.15.180;QuoteRCW 77.15.180
Unlawful interference with fishing or hunting gear — Penalty.
(1) A person is guilty of unlawful interference with fishing or hunting gear in the second degree if the person:
(a) Takes or releases a wild animal from another person's trap without permission;
(b) Springs, pulls up, damages, possesses, or destroys another person's trap without the owner's permission; or
(c) Interferes with recreational gear used to take fish or shellfish.
(2) Unlawful interference with fishing or hunting gear in the second degree is a misdemeanor.
(3) A person is guilty of unlawful interference with fishing or hunting gear in the first degree if the person:
(a) Takes or releases fish or shellfish from commercial fishing gear without the owner's permission; or
(b) Intentionally destroys or interferes with commercial fishing gear.
(4) Unlawful interference with fishing or hunting gear in the first degree is a gross misdemeanor.
(5) A person is not in violation of unlawful interference with fishing or hunting gear if the person removes a trap placed on property owned, leased, or rented by the person.Great idea! but i'm sure they'd tear them down as fast as we could put them :bash:
It may be true, but that's the defeatist attitude we need to get away from and just do it. We need to put them up faster than they can take them down.
I'm going to write WDFW to check the legality of posting such items. After that, feel free to send me any specific design items. It should be fairly inexpensive to print up, I don't mind footing the bill if people are genuinely interested in posting them.
Thanks Nosferatu, Didn't mean to sound defeated but sometimes I can get pretty negative about things.
I agree it is a great idea, it's a simple and hopefully productive way to help protect our rights and hunting areas.
PM sent
Post by: Stilly bay on August 18, 2013, 11:19:37 AM
We all, as hunters, should foot the bill to make up a bunch of offical looking posters that we can all take out with us and hang up at sites like these, that read: "This land access brought to you by Hunters. Thank you for visiting. Buy Ducks stamps to help conserve wildlife."
Maybe with a big picture of a happy smile right under it. :chuckle:
I like this idea. I may draft something up. I'll also include the text from RCW 77.15.180;QuoteRCW 77.15.180
Unlawful interference with fishing or hunting gear — Penalty.
(1) A person is guilty of unlawful interference with fishing or hunting gear in the second degree if the person:
(a) Takes or releases a wild animal from another person's trap without permission;
(b) Springs, pulls up, damages, possesses, or destroys another person's trap without the owner's permission; or
(c) Interferes with recreational gear used to take fish or shellfish.
(2) Unlawful interference with fishing or hunting gear in the second degree is a misdemeanor.
(3) A person is guilty of unlawful interference with fishing or hunting gear in the first degree if the person:
(a) Takes or releases fish or shellfish from commercial fishing gear without the owner's permission; or
(b) Intentionally destroys or interferes with commercial fishing gear.
(4) Unlawful interference with fishing or hunting gear in the first degree is a gross misdemeanor.
(5) A person is not in violation of unlawful interference with fishing or hunting gear if the person removes a trap placed on property owned, leased, or rented by the person.Great idea! but i'm sure they'd tear them down as fast as we could put them :bash:
It may be true, but that's the defeatist attitude we need to get away from and just do it. We need to put them up faster than they can take them down.
I'm going to write WDFW to check the legality of posting such items. After that, feel free to send me any specific design items. It should be fairly inexpensive to print up, I don't mind footing the bill if people are genuinely interested in posting them.
count me in, I keep a stapler in my truck just in case I need to tack up some propaganda.
Post by: Johnb317 on August 18, 2013, 05:43:30 PM
I traded emails with ol' Marlin and he finally showed his true colors ie. no matter how much good hunters do we are lumped into his 'sadistic killers' category:
" I have a particular distaste for those hunters who attempt to portray themselves as stewards of the earth when they are responsible for so much death and suffering, and when almost every environmentally-friendly undertaking on their part has been motivated entirely by self-interest and a desire to have more animals to kill.
Killing for sport is way below my threshold of acceptable human behavior.
We have a cultural difference -- let's leave it at that.
Marlin "
Post by: ctwiggs1 on August 19, 2013, 09:47:38 AM
I want my family to enjoy disease-free, steroid-free, hormone-free meat on a regular basis, and they do. He might think he's the greenie weenie but the reality is I eat more organic than he does on a regular basis, I guarantee it.
He wants his family to suffer many diseases due to the meat they eat (if they eat meat), and they will
Curtis
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 19, 2013, 10:03:51 AM
I looked over that website and there were pics of the usuall slob hunters leaving behind there shells. I wish guys would clean up after themselves :bash: I no longer upland hunt but when I waterfowel hunt I usually pull out a shopping bag's worth of shotgun shells left from other hunters. We cant continue to give the left ammo to shut our way of life down. :twocents:
Litter cleanup crew right here..... :tup:
Post by: singleshot12 on August 19, 2013, 02:10:21 PM
Works for me too, however I don't think it would accomplish much.
I traded emails with ol' Marlin and he finally showed his true colors ie. no matter how much good hunters do we are lumped into his 'sadistic killers' category:
" I have a particular distaste for those hunters who attempt to portray themselves as stewards of the earth when they are responsible for so much death and suffering, and when almost every environmentally-friendly undertaking on their part has been motivated entirely by self-interest and a desire to have more animals to kill.
Killing for sport is way below my threshold of acceptable human behavior.
We have a cultural difference -- let's leave it at that.
Marlin "
Atleast he returned your email :rolleyes: You can't reason with these city bred wacko's. If it weren't for the farmers and the hunters creating these wildlife areas they wouldn't have the wildlife in the first place to look at. It's obvious their agenda is strictly to ban all hunting some day. First the release sites and then the public duck areas. You sure wouldn't think wdfw would even listen to these guys but they do. There is a helluva lot more greenies writing letters to wdfw and going to meetings than hunters and it bites big time.
They are changing and shaping our culture like it or not.
Post by: singleshot12 on August 22, 2013, 04:04:06 PM
I looked over that website and there were pics of the usuall slob hunters leaving behind there shells. I wish guys would clean up after themselves :bash: I no longer upland hunt but when I waterfowel hunt I usually pull out a shopping bag's worth of shotgun shells left from other hunters. We cant continue to give the left ammo to shut our way of life down. :twocents:
Litter cleanup crew right here..... :tup:
It all helps Campmeat! :tup:
Post by: Johnb317 on August 24, 2013, 05:27:21 PM
Leave it as clean if not cleaner than before.
Post by: snowpack on August 25, 2013, 12:18:56 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on August 25, 2013, 12:38:03 PM
I heard today that the birdwatchers on the peninsula got the pheasant release program shut down for the Dungeness site. One of their big complaints was that hunters/dogs were walking off trail and stepping on nests of baby birds....I am not sure which birds in WA nest and lay eggs in Oct/Nov (other than chickens). Heard they also got horses banned from some of the trails.That doesn't surprise me at all :rolleyes: they'll use whatever they can to shut down hunting.. These people are nothing but anti-hunting environmental extremists who only pose as birdwatchers. Most of the (real)birdwatchers I know are down to earth folks who understand the importance of hunting and what we contribute to conservation.
Why our officials take these people serious and cave into their illogical reason is beyond me :dunno:
Post by: seth30 on August 25, 2013, 01:12:09 PM
I heard today that the birdwatchers on the peninsula got the pheasant release program shut down for the Dungeness site. One of their big complaints was that hunters/dogs were walking off trail and stepping on nests of baby birds....I am not sure which birds in WA nest and lay eggs in Oct/Nov (other than chickens). Heard they also got horses banned from some of the trails.That doesn't surprise me at all :rolleyes: they'll use whatever they can to shut down hunting.. These people are nothing but anti-hunting environmental extremists who only pose as birdwatchers. Most of the (real)birdwatchers I know are down to earth folks who understand the importance of hunting and what we contribute to conservation.
Why our officials take these people serious and cave into their illogical reason is beyond me :dunno: because the squeaky wheel gets the grease
Post by: j_h_nimrod on August 25, 2013, 09:04:33 PM
When hunting geese in a field blind I also pick up whatever wads as I can find as well.
Leave it as clean if not cleaner than before.
In this day and age of environmentally friendliness and biodegradability it surprises me there has not been a more concerted effort toward bio degrading wads. After having wads turn up in my fish traps well downstream over the years I really wondered when someone would take on this issue. I knew it would become a problem and if I wanted to make my million I should have started working on the solution then.
This was about the time when a biodegradable golf tee was marketed and proved feasible.