Post by: alwinearcher on August 07, 2013, 11:10:24 PM
He is a heck of a 4 points!
Post by: CedarPants on August 07, 2013, 11:19:46 PM
I wonder who he's whispering to in the 2nd pic
Post by: huntnnw on August 07, 2013, 11:54:48 PM
Post by: bowhunterforever on August 07, 2013, 11:57:01 PM
Post by: alwinearcher on August 07, 2013, 11:57:36 PM
I think u should target that buck in the background :chuckle:I plan to in 2018 =)
Post by: Timberstalker on August 08, 2013, 07:04:27 AM
Post by: Hunt4ever on August 08, 2013, 07:26:59 AM
Great 3pt with eyeguards! Dandy buck for sure.
:yeah:
Post by: Paxer on August 08, 2013, 07:56:35 AM
Post by: buckfvr on August 08, 2013, 07:58:29 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on August 08, 2013, 08:55:08 AM
Dandy clean 8ptr for sure..........
LOL
Post by: Broken Arrow on August 08, 2013, 09:04:20 AM
Post by: Broken Arrow on August 08, 2013, 09:08:26 AM
Post by: SuperMag on August 08, 2013, 10:40:55 AM
Dandy clean 8ptr for sure..........:yeah:
Post by: alwinearcher on August 08, 2013, 11:51:22 AM
Great 3pt with eyeguards! Dandy buck for sure.So.... "3+1"
Yeah that's easier to say than "4"
:bash:
Post by: alwinearcher on August 08, 2013, 11:52:32 AM
Any chance that deer is from the LPNWR? Saw one last scouting trip that could have been its twin.I'm not sure what LPNWR is.. :dunno:
Post by: huntnnw on August 08, 2013, 01:27:08 PM
:yeah: I guess we will call my buck a 4 + 1 x 2 + (7) sounds about right I guess with the above logic :bash:Great 3pt with eyeguards! Dandy buck for sure.So.... "3+1"
Yeah that's easier to say than "4"
:bash:
Post by: oldleclercrd on August 08, 2013, 01:39:25 PM
:yeah: I guess we will call my buck a 4 + 1 x 2 + (7) sounds about right I guess with the above logic :bash:Great 3pt with eyeguards! Dandy buck for sure.So.... "3+1"
Yeah that's easier to say than "4"
:bash:
Now that's funny. :chuckle:
Post by: alwinearcher on August 08, 2013, 02:53:06 PM
Good stuff!
If it was a mule deer I would call it a 3 point with eye guards though.
Post by: Timberstalker on August 08, 2013, 03:03:15 PM
Post by: superdown on August 08, 2013, 03:04:35 PM
Post by: Ccortez on August 08, 2013, 03:05:04 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 08, 2013, 03:10:14 PM
The problem I have is when people are like, check out this 7x7 bull! Turns out it's a 5x5 and it's got just a couple little sticker points :P
Post by: alwinearcher on August 08, 2013, 03:26:30 PM
Little Pend Oreille National wildlife Refuge. Maybe they aren't pointy enough to be considered points :chuckle:
Oh that!!
Yeah he's right in the middle of it ;)
Post by: huntnnw on August 08, 2013, 04:43:45 PM
Post by: sirmissalot on August 08, 2013, 04:45:22 PM
Post by: huntnnw on August 08, 2013, 04:46:50 PM
Post by: snowpack on August 08, 2013, 05:09:43 PM
If its a score able its a POINT!! Makes no damn sense why someone would say 3pt plus brows .. Am I missing something ? Does the brow time not get scored ? :bash:
My guess is that there are enough muleys that don't have brow tines that it raised the question when people mentioned points. With whiteys and blackies, I think it is just assumed they have brow tines and they are being counted. So if someone said 4 pt, then for whitey/blacky everyone kind of is on the page of brow tines plus 3 others on a branch. Usually if there is something unusual it is mentioned (like a drop). For muleys if you tell someone 4 pt they try to picture it and need to know if they're leaving out brow tines.
Looks like a good 8 pt to me.
Post by: grundy53 on August 08, 2013, 06:09:07 PM
If its a score able its a POINT!! Makes no damn sense why someone would say 3pt plus brows .. Am I missing something ? Does the brow time not get scored ? :bash:
My guess is that there are enough muleys that don't have brow tines that it raised the question when people mentioned points. With whiteys and blackies, I think it is just assumed they have brow tines and they are being counted. So if someone said 4 pt, then for whitey/blacky everyone kind of is on the page of brow tines plus 3 others on a branch. Usually if there is something unusual it is mentioned (like a drop). For muleys if you tell someone 4 pt they try to picture it and need to know if they're leaving out brow tines.
Looks like a good 8 pt to me.
???? Where are you hunting blacktails? I would say they are more like mulies. A lot of blackies don't have brow tines. If not a majority....
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Post by: grundy53 on August 08, 2013, 06:09:51 PM
Great 3pt with eyeguards! Dandy buck for sure.:yeah:
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Post by: grundy53 on August 08, 2013, 06:12:28 PM
Great 3pt with eyeguards! Dandy buck for sure.So.... "3+1"
Yeah that's easier to say than "4"
:bash:
I don't think it's easier to say. Just gives a clearer mental image if there isn't a picture. But there is many ways to skin a cat. Very nice buck. I hope you get him.
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Post by: earlmarne on August 08, 2013, 06:13:13 PM
Post by: CedarPants on August 08, 2013, 06:16:15 PM
That said, that's a nice 4 point :tup:
Post by: Timberstalker on August 08, 2013, 06:29:45 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on August 08, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
Thats how wa bucks are recognized whitetail or not... :chuckle:
Post by: MLBowhunting on August 08, 2013, 06:33:17 PM
Post by: alwinearcher on August 08, 2013, 06:58:33 PM
Nice 3 point! :chuckle:
Thats how wa bucks are recognized whitetail or not... :chuckle:
Not according to B&C, P&Y, and WDFG :chuckle:
Post by: alwinearcher on August 08, 2013, 07:00:44 PM
The annual eyeguard argument always reminds me of people arguing over whether coca cola is called "pop" or "soda", and both adamantly insisting they are right.LOL, yeah its a age old argument and one we only get to have in a few states, because 95% of the hunting world calls that a 8 point.
That said, that's a nice 4 point :tup:
Not the direction I expected this thread to go, but its the nature of the beast. :chuckle:
Post by: grundy53 on August 08, 2013, 07:07:28 PM
The annual eyeguard argument always reminds me of people arguing over whether coca cola is called "pop" or "soda", and both adamantly insisting they are right.LOL, yeah its a age old argument and one we only get to have in a few states, because 95% of the hunting world calls that a 8 point.
That said, that's a nice 4 point :tup:
Not the direction I expected this thread to go, but its the nature of the beast. :chuckle:
:yeah: lol, it's all in good fun.
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Post by: Houndhunter on August 08, 2013, 07:09:06 PM
:yeah: very nice buck!The annual eyeguard argument always reminds me of people arguing over whether coca cola is called "pop" or "soda", and both adamantly insisting they are right.LOL, yeah its a age old argument and one we only get to have in a few states, because 95% of the hunting world calls that a 8 point.
That said, that's a nice 4 point :tup:
Not the direction I expected this thread to go, but its the nature of the beast. :chuckle:
:yeah: lol, it's all in good fun.
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Post by: alwinearcher on August 08, 2013, 07:14:36 PM
IM a people pleaser :IBCOOL:
Post by: CedarPants on August 08, 2013, 07:17:14 PM
Post by: grundy53 on August 08, 2013, 07:21:00 PM
Alright boys, thread title modified to suit everyone..Hahaha
IM a people pleaser :IBCOOL:
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Post by: buckfvr on August 08, 2013, 07:33:51 PM
Post by: Houndhunter on August 08, 2013, 07:36:43 PM
Post by: alwinearcher on August 08, 2013, 07:40:16 PM
Yeah but what if he had double brows or forked g-2s ?????????????? :chuckle: :chuckle:Then he would be a 4 point with forked G2's, a 5x5, a 10 point, OR a 3 point with eye guards and forked G2's :chuckle:
Post by: Pathfinder101 on August 08, 2013, 08:16:48 PM
Nice 3 point! :chuckle:
Thats how wa bucks are recognized whitetail or not... :chuckle:
I'm with you houndhunter. When I was a kid (and I'm not THAT old) everyone just counted main beam points. I think when they started managing bucks by point minimums it changed everything...
I still refer to a buck with 3 on the main beam as a 3 point, but when I get a funny look I will reluctantly add "3-with-an-eyeguard"...
Post by: LITTLEBUCK on August 08, 2013, 08:34:30 PM
Post by: alwinearcher on August 08, 2013, 08:36:30 PM
I must be confused about how antlers are put together..Nice 3 point! :chuckle:
Thats how wa bucks are recognized whitetail or not... :chuckle:
I'm with you houndhunter. When I was a kid (and I'm not THAT old) everyone just counted main beam points. I think when they started managing bucks by point minimums it changed everything...
I still refer to a buck with 3 on the main beam as a 3 point, but when I get a funny look I will reluctantly add "3-with-an-eyeguard"...
Do the eye guards come straight out of the head not off the main beam? :o
Post by: oldleclercrd on August 08, 2013, 08:41:30 PM
Post by: buckfvr on August 08, 2013, 08:45:50 PM
Yeah but what if he had double brows or forked g-2s ?????????????? :chuckle: :chuckle:Then he would be a 4 point with forked G2's, a 5x5, a 10 point, OR a 3 point with eye guards and forked G2's :chuckle:
A 10 pt can be a main frame 8pt with forked g-2s or double brows, or a 10pt can be a main frame 10........or a mani frame 8 with double brows and forked g-2s would be a 12pt, or you could just have a main frame 12........or a main frame 10 for that matter............ :dunno: :dunno: :tup:
Post by: alwinearcher on August 08, 2013, 08:52:41 PM
That is correct 70% of the time.Yeah but what if he had double brows or forked g-2s ?????????????? :chuckle: :chuckle:Then he would be a 4 point with forked G2's, a 5x5, a 10 point, OR a 3 point with eye guards and forked G2's :chuckle:
A 10 pt can be a main frame 8pt with forked g-2s or double brows, or a 10pt can be a main frame 10........or a mani frame 8 with double brows and forked g-2s would be a 12pt, or you could just have a main frame 12........or a main frame 10 for that matter............ :dunno: :dunno: :tup:
Post by: Limhangerslayer on August 08, 2013, 09:03:57 PM
Post by: CedarPants on August 08, 2013, 09:06:03 PM
Post by: huntnnw on August 08, 2013, 09:21:57 PM
Post by: huntnnw on August 08, 2013, 09:40:14 PM
Post by: lineman125 on August 08, 2013, 09:53:03 PM
Post by: alwinearcher on August 08, 2013, 09:54:29 PM
The next 6pt bull I see I'll call it a 4pt with brows.... :rolleyes:
HAHA!
Thats the best argument on this I have heard yet! :tup:
Post by: CedarPants on August 08, 2013, 10:02:25 PM
The next 6pt bull I see I'll call it a 4pt with brows.... :rolleyes:
Better yet - 2 and 3 point elk are now just spikes with single or double brows.
Could make the spike only units interesting. "But I heard on HuntWA that brows don't count" :chuckle:
Post by: Dan-o on August 08, 2013, 10:24:53 PM
Where I come from we don't count tines less than 14", and look down on those who do.
P.S. Gorgeous buck. Thanks for sharing.
Post by: Dan-o on August 08, 2013, 10:29:11 PM
I'm calling it an 0X0 with 4 eye guards per side, because technically any of those points could protect his eyes.
Post by: CedarPants on August 08, 2013, 10:29:59 PM
I have to modify my stand.
I'm calling it an 0X0 with 4 eye guards per side, because technically any of those points could protect his eyes.
That'd be a true spike
Post by: Dan-o on August 08, 2013, 10:35:38 PM
I have to modify my stand.
I'm calling it an 0X0 with 4 eye guards per side, because technically any of those points could protect his eyes.
That'd be a true spike
No. See that's why I call it a 0X0. A true spike would be like a 3X3 with eye guards......
Post by: CedarPants on August 08, 2013, 10:39:42 PM
I have to modify my stand.
I'm calling it an 0X0 with 4 eye guards per side, because technically any of those points could protect his eyes.
That'd be a true spike
No. See that's why I call it a 0X0. A true spike would be like a 3X3 with eye guards......
That's a good point, my bad. :chuckle:
Post by: bowhunterforever on August 09, 2013, 12:56:14 AM
Post by: huntnnw on August 09, 2013, 02:36:43 AM
Post by: bowhunterforever on August 09, 2013, 02:46:27 AM
Post by: grundy53 on August 09, 2013, 06:20:28 AM
The next 6pt bull I see I'll call it a 4pt with brows.... :rolleyes:
That is exactly what everyone I hunt with would call it. Guess it's just a regional thing :dunno:. Take the bull in my avitar for example. We all called it a 4 point (you would call it a 6x6). Like I said before, I don't think it's a big deal. People are just brought up differently there is no right or wrong. Just my :twocents:.
Post by: MtnMuley on August 09, 2013, 09:16:05 AM
Post by: boneaddict on August 09, 2013, 09:42:23 AM
Give him about 3 more years and you could have an incredible creature. You may never see him again, but he would be incredible. Neat genetics
Post by: huntnnw on August 09, 2013, 11:10:42 AM
Post by: alwinearcher on August 09, 2013, 02:48:02 PM
After much thought and discussion from all you friendly folks Ihave decided to name him....
"3+1" It just kinda roles off the tongue!
So here is a update on 3+1...
Checked a couple cameras and got this one picture of him this morning about 400 yards from the first pics. He was far from the camera sneaking down a trail, but i think I got another piece to the puzzle put together. :tup:
Post by: Limhangerslayer on August 09, 2013, 03:23:16 PM
Nice 3 point! :chuckle:
Thats how wa bucks are recognized whitetail or not... :chuckle:
Not according to B&C, P&Y, and WDFG :chuckle:
Speaking of B&C/P&Y. What are you guessing for score? And I'm sure this will start another debate and make the thread title longer. 150's?
Post by: MtnMuley on August 09, 2013, 03:30:46 PM
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 09, 2013, 03:36:00 PM
Post by: buckfvr on August 09, 2013, 03:56:42 PM
Post by: alwinearcher on August 09, 2013, 04:45:34 PM
Nice 3 point! :chuckle:
Thats how wa bucks are recognized whitetail or not... :chuckle:
Not according to B&C, P&Y, and WDFG :chuckle:
Speaking of B&C/P&Y. What are you guessing for score? And I'm sure this will start another debate and make the thread title longer. 150's?
Score is one thing I refrain from on this sight.. way to many "experts" on here lol
I could tell you some scores some true experts have told me but id rather keep them to myself..
I once had a 4 point that I swore was 150" and everyone told me I was insane... guess what that buck ended up scoring..... 150" on the dot! :tup:
That being said I think this is the biggest 4 point ive gotten on camera ;)
Post by: Hermannr on August 09, 2013, 09:45:10 PM
IF it had been a mule or black tail it would be a 4X4, but it is not...it is a Whitetail...hence it is an 8 point.
Post by: sumbeech66 on August 09, 2013, 10:31:55 PM
It's clearly a 3x3 with double inverted drop tines. Nice ones too
:lol4:
voting for this one when the poll comes up
Post by: alwinearcher on August 15, 2013, 09:30:47 PM
He has been a good day walker this past week. :tup:
Post by: bowhunterforever on August 16, 2013, 02:06:32 AM
Post by: boneaddict on August 16, 2013, 09:41:29 AM
Post by: wilsongideon on August 17, 2013, 08:59:40 PM
Post by: 3nails on August 17, 2013, 09:25:23 PM
I've never seen such debating over antler points until I signed onto this forum. Everywhere I've ever been hunters would call that a 4 point. And if it were a blacktail it would be called a 3 pt with eyeguards. :twocents:
Post by: Wea300mag on August 17, 2013, 09:30:21 PM
Post by: Turkeyman on August 17, 2013, 09:42:56 PM